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Two Cops Shot and Killed in New York City in "Ambush" and "Assassination," Says Commish

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Given the perception promoted by police apologists that law enforcement officers operate in war zone-like conditions under constant threat of death, when a police officer is shot and killed it shouldn't be news. But the perception is incorrect—it's likely never been safer to be a cop—and so when cops are killed in the line of duty, it is big news.

Two police officers were shot and killed in their patrol cars in New York City earlier today. USA Today reports:

Two New York City police officers died after being shot "execution-style" in their parked patrol car Saturday.

In a somber press conference, New York City Police Commissioner William J. Bratton said the two officers were deliberately targeted because they were cops. He also acknowledged the danger officers take as part of the "thin blue line between us and anarchy."

"They were, quite simply, assassinated, targeted for their uniform and the responsibility they embraced," Bratton said. "Both were ambushed and murdered."

Bratton said the attacker approached the officers' vehicle from the passenger side and opened fire, shooting his weapon several times. The officers, Wenjin Liu and Raphael Ramos, "never had an opportunity to draw their weapons" and were "killed with no warning, no provocation," he said.

The killing appears indisputably unjustified, a clear act of aggression, that ought to be condemned. The alleged killer was found dead in the subway a short time later, reportedly from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. There's no bright side to this story.

And yet there's also no need to embellish what's already a horrible story. I disagree with the use of the word "assassination," which implies a political motive and a public figure, though I understand why Bratton would feel it applies, as cops are public figures. The alleged cop killer is also accused of killing his girlfriend in Maryland before heading to New York City. Police say they found statements revealing an  "anti-cop bias" on his Instagram but authorities are notorious for over-reading into suspects' social media posts*. The apparent suicide afterward suggests a fragile mental state, not someone motivated by a political agenda.

The word ambush is on even shakier ground. An ambush is executed from a hidden position, usually on a moving target. It's a word often used to make the bad, an assault, sound even worse, but it's not applicable here. A murder is a horrible thing. The lack of an ambush doesn't mitigate it.

Police apologists spend a lot of time belly-aching over "anti-cop invective" and broad generalizations of the violence police are capable of. A Cleveland Browns player wore a T-shirt calling for justice for two people killed by police in Ohio in questionable circumstances over the last few months and the police union wants an apology.  Questioning police tactics, asking for accountability, these things are treated as attacks on cops. So attacks on cops are treated like ambushes and cop killings like assassinations. Cooler heads need to prevail, or what'll happen if ambushes actually start happening? They did once in New York City, a long time ago. The two cops today, meanwhile, are the first to be fatally shot on the line of duty in New York since 2011.

*UPDATE: Here is a screenshot of the Instagram post. Anti-cop bias or just plain criminality?

UPDATE 2: Related: Here's a cop in Jersey City, Melvin Santiago, who was ambushed and killed by a man who went out with the specific goal of killing a cop. Jersey City's leaders didn't call his murder an assassination, and they didn't call his killer, who specifically went out to kill a cop,  "anti-cop," because this happened in July, before Ferguson and then Eric Garner helped propel the issue of police tactics and use of force to the national stage. The killing of Santiago was no less criminal because Jersey City's leaders didn't call it an assassination. And it had as little to do with the people involved in the wider effort to reform police as the killing of the two New York City cops does. The only difference is the country's paying attention to police issues, for now, in a way it didn't just half a year ago.

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  1. Lucy Steigerwald @LucyStag ? 3m 3 minutes ago If you knew Sarah Palin didn’t shoot Gabby Giffords, you should know anticop protester didn’t kill those cops.

    Lucy Steigerwald @LucyStag ? 7m 7 minutes ago Donderooooooooooooooo. https://twitter.com/ericdondero/status

  2. Yeah, this is all our fault, Reasonoids, cause “environment” and “encouraging retaliation on cops”. Twitters tells me so.

    So, now I need to stay away from Twitter for about a week. I’m already a month into avoiding Derpbook.

    God, I hate people…

    1. I just got back on Facebook after many months off, and one of the first things I see is some idiotic lefty image meme about how Reagan destroyed the country. Posted by someone my age, so he was an adult during those glorious Carter years. *SIGH*

      1. I borrowed Michael Malice’s line that “Hillary Clinton is America’s mother-in law” and was told that it was sexist and ageist and that no one would have ever made fun of Reagan for being old.

        I’m pretty sure 1986-1988 was one big “make fun of Reagan for being old” party. People are so dumb.

        1. They made fun of Reagan for being old in 1979, if not earlier.

          1. Weren’t they also saying he was senile and/or had Altzheimer’s?

        2. Holy shit, progs are incredibly ignorant and unself-aware. And the taking offense at everything is bizarre. In the comments at the Daily Beast about Nick’s article about Lizzy Warren being naive about regulatory capture, one commenter complained that calling her “naive” was sexist and demeaning. He also took umbrage that someone of Nick’s lowly station would presume to criticize a Senator and Harvard Professor. He wanted the management at the Daily Beast to look into it or some such. WTF is wrong with people?

          1. “Naive” is the latest microaggression. It’s the “exotic” of 2014-15.

          2. one commenter complained that calling her “naive” was sexist and demeaning.

            Technically, it is: if it were a man, we’d be calling him a na?f instead. 😉

      2. Fucking drive-by cookies, bro.

        1. Hey AC, and Almanian. This dopez for youz Guyz. =)

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOuzBzNdvY

    2. Rape Culture for cops.

      1. Excellent!

  3. Question – how is ANYTHING Bratton said proven at this point? It hasn’t been. It just happened, but he pretends to know the motives of those responsible because it is politically convenient to do so. Maybe he’s right – but if not for the recent news events and protests, he WOULD NOT be going public stating all of this for what is a very young and active investigation.

    His press conference should be criticized. It’s a bunch of empty speculation in order to galvanize support at a time when his department is in the cross hairs.

    1. I think you’re “galvanizing” your own little piece of “identity politics” at this point.

      Have a look around. Those blinders tend to make you a tad myopic.

  4. *returns to watching “Four Brothers”*

  5. Ironically, this guy used the same tactics police use – overwhelming deadly force against nonthreatening victims.

    1. ooohhhhhh SNAP

    2. Shouldn’t we wait for all the facts so we can call it a good shoot? I mean those cops had GUNS! Was he supposed to wait until the cops were actually threatening him? Didn’t we want the shooter to go home safe at night?

      /sarc

    3. Wow. Piece of Shit much?

      1. Wow. Can’t read the fucking sarc tag much?

        1. You’ve never heard of “English”? We speak it.

          -Show me the “sarc-tag”.

          After you finish with your “corner-of-the-round-room”-technology, please allow me to defenestrate your stupidity via the nearest window.

          Enjoy your ride via Slapweasel Industries.

          …we enjoyed having you.

        2. By the way… was the comment meant to be “hilarious”-?… On the human-scale-sort-of shit?

          Was it simply “dry humor” at the deceased’s expense.

          I keep forgetting to apply the implied humor to such things. Perhaps my “reading-between-the-lines” has dulled and I am non-inquisitive.

          I’ll certainly look into that.

          Your brilliance has me “out-shined”.

          I’ll re-examine my sense of self, so as to tell the children.

          P.S.: Go Fuck Yourself.

          1. Slap:

            “never had an opportunity to draw their weapons” and were “killed with no warning, no provocation,”

            That applies equally as well to Tamir Rice. Brian isn’t wrong.

            And just so you don’t go apoplectic, I’ll flatly state the obvious: This was a murder, the guy who did it should have been arrested and charged with 1st degree murder and spent the rest of life in jail if he hadn’t killed himself. It is evil to kill two cops for just being cops. There are rotten cops out there guilty of murder, but we should deal with them as individuals within the justice system (alas, major reforms are needed before that is possible), but we shouldn’t act like all cops are evil or punish people collectively for the sins of individuals.

            1. Bou Bou Phonesavanh didn’t have a chance to draw his weapon, either.

              1. And the BATF determined back on Ruby Ridge that a dirty diaper is a weapon.

          2. If your initial response was to my comment, I’ll explain.

            It was not meant to be “hilarious,” it was meant to be pointed. The NYPD are screaming ASSASSINATION!! and OMG AMBUSHED!!! but the fact remains that this guy did what many police do when trying to arrest someone. Video evidence shows Tamir Rice was shot as the cop was scrambling out of his vehicle, illustrating that the cop’s immediate response was overwhelming deadly force. And, unlike you I presume, I find the results of both incidents to be abhorrent.

            1. And I find it equally abhorrent that neither perpetrator will face a court of law.

              1. Really? I’m pretty fine with this guy saving us all the trouble and offing himself.

          3. Hi Tulpa!

    4. I’ll reserve comment until the alleged shooter’s friends and family finish their investigation.

  6. “The killing appears indisputably unjustified, a clear act of aggression, that ought to be condemned. The alleged killer was found dead in the subway a short time later, reportedly from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. There’s no bright side to this story.”

    The guy (?; not sure) also killed a GF earlier, right?
    Any reason to believe he killed the cops ’cause they were cops rather than a random selection of two people in a car?

      1. I must say, you were quite restrained in not mentioning that his name was Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley.

        1. Well, it could have been SJS (Sudden Jihad Syndrome) or Mr. Brinsley’s parents just saddled him with an “African” name as Black parents of that generation were wont to do. God knows, I know about that.

          1. Wise Black parents saddle their offspring with a name that makes them sound like a eccentric Scottish professor of Literature.

            1. Wise Black parents saddle their offspring with Scots. Period.

              1. Niggah pass be comin’ yo way, dawg.

          2. Having apparently killed his gf would be consistent with honor killings over female virtue and general misogyny that typified Islamists.

            But I bet it’s not a Muslim thing at all.

      2. Heroic Mulatto|12.20.14 @ 9:27PM|#
        “He posted on social media that he was hunting for police to get “revenge”.”

        Answered my question; thx HM.

        1. SEVO as an Atheist this should be an easy argument to deconstruct.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBoGy19lHc

          1. Do not expect s straight answer from a believer.

  7. Alright, which member of the bigoratti is unaccounted for?

    1. There’s not enough money in the world to make me go to NYC. But the bigoratti here are absolutely no danger to cops, because by and large libertarians are saddled with the idea that the Non Aggression Principle is the correct way to deal with others.

      1. so much this, all the time

      2. And equally as important, we are convinced that collective punishment is itself an injustice.

        1. True. But I’m sorely tempted to make an exception for law enforcement.

  8. After years of insisting hateful conservative rhetoric causes mass shootings, watch liberals walk that back and insist that this does not reflect on rhetoric of Ferguson and Garner protesters.

    Of course I’m not saying that the protests caused this crime, only that tonight’s a great night for examining hypocrisies on both left and right.

    1. It would be… if intellectual honest actually existed in the real world.

      1. GD it. ‘honesty’

        1. Goofin around much , bitch?

    2. Does it make me a horrible person that I am just a little enjoying seeing that insect Al Sharpton squirm over this?

      1. And Deblasio, police are literally turning their backs on the douche.

        1. I wonder what would have happened had DeBlasio said “You’re fired. Leave your badge and gun on the chair as you leave”?

  9. After years of insisting hateful conservative rhetoric causes mass shootings, watch liberals walk that back and insist that this does not reflect on rhetoric of Ferguson and Garner protesters.

    Of course I’m not saying that the protests caused this crime, only that tonight’s a great night for examining hypocrisies on both left and right.

    1. Harvesting this bonanza of hypocrisy is the best part of my day. Cheers!

    2. Instead they go after their favorite boogieman:

      “The NRA fought and worked so hard to bring into being, a world where everyone is afraid of everyone else and gun sales increase, and cops are ambushed, and women are shot by their abusers, and people of color are killed by police at rates approaching the era of lynchings.”

      http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..60160#c136

      Kochtopus is probably next followed by Bush Jr, or maybe it’s the other way around? Honestly I can’t follow leftist logic.

      1. There were lots of kids playing with a realistic guns back in the day, and the police weren’t threatened by them.”

        It’s the liberals who bring this into being. Their policy fails the crime driven neighborhood, and they spread a lot of hysteria over “gun culture”. Some of these cops probably think a kid reported to be walking around with a gun is the next Adam Lanza.

        I used to play with some realistic looking guns in my early days in America. That’s in the 90’s, not some 50’s “Andy Griffith” era. And those guns made noises too. No one reported me, no police contacted me, nothing.

        This is one scared, ninny of a country. Why do you need to call a cop if you think a kid has a toy gun? Why do you have to report a kid playing himself in the playground? NK has never touched us, but Sony pulls a movie over vague threats?

        1. It’s also amusing when lefties talk about ‘the world they’ve created.’ The world where violence is at its all time low in most cities? That horrible world? Yeah, horrible. The progressive morons relish the apocalypse more than seventh day Adventists.

        2. I got an awesome toy m-16, for Christmas, when I was 7. The cops never mistook me, for weather underground. Crazy huh?

          1. I got an awesome toy musket that I loved. They never mistook me for a redcoat, for that I am grateful.

      2. Women, check. People of color, check. Uh oh, forgot to mention homosexuals and native Americans! I call for a retraction!

        1. … and transgender. You can’t forget transgender.

  10. I’m a huge fan and supporter of Reason. Had to say that first, because I find this article extremely disappointing.

    “I disagree with the use of the word “assassination,” which implies a political motive and a public figure…”

    There was a political motive, and they were public figures. The choice of words was completely appropriate. This was an assassination.

    “…what’ll happen if ambushes actually start happening?”

    They did start happening, today. We have already arrived at the scenario you so rightly fear. Why are you trying so hard to dispute what happened, to shade it as something murkier?

    1. What political motive? A man who killed his girlfriend says he wants to “kill some pigs” and he’s painted with the same term–“anti-cop”–that legitimate protesters in New York City have been painted with? Please.

      As for ambush, it’s really not a controversial point. An ambush is an attack on a moving target. They were attacked, they weren’t ambushed.

      But the use of invective language is meant to accomplish the same thing that “anti-cop” activists are accused of when focusing on police shootings, exaggerating for populist effect.

      1. As for ambush, it’s really not a controversial point. An ambush is an attack on a moving target. They were attacked, they weren’t ambushed.

        An ambush is a surprise attack by concealed assailants on unsuspecting targets.

        In this case the cops were sitting in their car and the shooter, hiding in plain sight, attacked them. I think ambush is an appropriate word.

      2. As for ambush, it’s really not a controversial point. An ambush is an attack on a moving target.

        incredible

        1. Ed’s trying to win a Lamestream Media award.

    2. …”they were public figures.”…

      Would the trash collectors qualify?
      And I’d like to see a definition of “political motive”.

      1. “Would the trash collectors qualify?”
        No. Police routinely appear publicly with the express intent of influencing the behavior of others.

        “And I’d like to see a definition of “political motive”.”
        Off the top of my head: Having a principal aim of influencing public debate on a topic of general social concern.

    3. I would tend to agree. I’ll leave it at that as I tend to find semantic arguments a waste of time.

    4. I agree it wasn’t very good, but keep in mind it wasn’t an article. It was a blog post. Dashed off quickly, with no editor.

      People sometimes get Hit & Run confused with reason magazine, which is fact-checked and edited.

      1. Isn’t a Hit and Run a kind of ambush? Sorta?

      2. Fair point Mike, and it does apply to how I read the post.

    5. I’m similarly disappointed at the obvious dishonesty of the article.

      Reason has been getting a lot more dishonest lately, starting from the open borders articles.

      Also I note the “strange” lack of any mention of the assailant’s connection to Islam.

      No Islam to see here, folks!

  11. The dunphies of the world will climb on to the still-warm corpses of these murder victims in order to promote their us-vs.-them fantasies of embattled cops vs. an unappreciative public.

    And if you’re in NYC, check the traffic reports before you go out to drive – you don’t want to be held up by a mile-long funeral procession, or a bagpipe performance.

    1. He’s ranting in the earlier thread about the “I can breathe” demonstration posted a few hours before the murders.

    2. I had to come here because I just said “good” when someone told me the news.
      Other person says, what?
      I mention 5 murders by cops off top of my head.
      Other person says what about cops’ families?
      I say cops’ families get a parade, free funeral and lifetime pensions, what do the people murdered by cops get.
      Other person says I’m fucked up and walks away.
      I probably am fucked up, but the cops only have themselves to blame for me being fucked up about this.

      1. I can’t say “good” for anyone being murdered.

        But they are to blame for the resentment that played a part in this.

        1. But they are to blame for the resentment that played a part in this.

          Really? What did Messrs. Liu or Ramos actually do to create such resentment?

          1. Cops, in general…not necessarily these particular cops.

            1. Collective guilt is collective guilt even if you don’t like the collective being held guilty.

        2. “But they are to blame for the resentment that played a part in this.”

          You’re playing a dangerous game here.

          Are you so certain that the “resentment” actually stems from specific acts of police abuse? Or is it a product of anti establishment sentiments mixed in with a lot of racial politics?

          Because when Dorner was on his shooting rampage, the Ferguson crowd assumed that the LAPD and racist culture drove him to do it – without a single evidence. Zimmerman was not a cop and he NEVER made contact with Trayvon until he approached him. But he was hated for not deferring to police authority.

          Reason jumps on every story about police misconduct like the left does on pubic shootings or rape. They’re obviously serious problem, but it’s an epidemic that calls for a revolution.

      2. You are pretty fucked up. You’re a thorough-going collectivist, and that’s pretty fucked up. Individuals are responsible for their own actions, not for the actions of everyone who has the same profession as them.

        In fact by your logic any cop could just as easily justify going around killing ‘thugs,’ because it was ‘thugs’ who killed that one cop over in that other town sometime.

        Pretty fucked up, yeah that seems about right for you.

        1. I have no problem with collectivizing people in certain circumstances. ie. I would have no sympathy for anything that might happen to a neo Nazi who was killed based on being a neo Nazi.

          As such, it’s hard for me to drum up any sympathy for the killing of people who voluntarily join a group that can imprison or kill me at any time for any reason with impunity and immunity for the sole reason of me being a civilian.

          Now if you can show me just one cop who expressed remorse or disgust over the killings of Garner, Thomas or Rice, I’ll rethink my position.

      3. I probably am fucked up,

        Blame the world created by the cop fellators.

    3. And the dunphies of the world will make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  12. Let me be clear. I do NOT condone this action or any other initiation of force.

    But does it not seem reasonable that when you place cops above the law, provide them status above the average citizen and refuse to hold them accountable for their actions, you may spark resentment among the populous? And, if so, might not the unhinged focus that resentment at its source?

    I suspect there will be more overt acts against cops as they become more and more corrupt.

    1. I’d rather not have this sort of thing further entrench the “us versus them” mentality of cops.

      For all we know the two victims might have been decent guys who weren’t raging assholes that power trip on their badge and gun.

      If they targeted the actual abusive cops like the one who killed Garner this might be more justified.

      1. As I said, it’s not justified at all. It was an initiation of force.

        1. Agreed. Perhaps I should say the attack might be more sensible if it was against a cop who literally got away with murder.

          In any case I fear this is going to get even uglier and ultimately hurts the cause of actual reform. The cops aren’t going to learn anything useful from it.

          1. In any case I fear this is going to get even uglier and ultimately hurts the cause of actual reform.

            That was my first thought.

            That asshole probably pushed many fence-sitters onto the side of the police, and so will be more skeptical of badly needed police reform.

        2. It could be argued that the police as a group have initiated force. Maybe not these two gents specifically, but their group is harboring and protecting criminals.

          I don’t agree with this position, but it’s not a huge leap.

          1. Again, to be clear, I’m not advocating for violence against police.

            1. Your optics haven’t met the standards, AdJ. They are wonky at best/

          2. More collectivist reasoning from a “libertarian?”

            Sounds like something I’d expect from Andre Dworkin or a Mao. “Revolution is not a dinner party” and all that bullshit.

      1. AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED

      2. That story is open to misunderstanding. REAL misunderstanding.
        SF is both a city and a county. Under CA law, cities have police forces and counties have sheriff’s departments; we have both.
        SF’s police force is run by Greg Suhr and is famous for NOT shooting dogs and tossing grenades into the wrong address.
        SF’s sheriff’s department is run by the political hack Ross Mirkarimi who was termed-out of the board of supes and used the SF lefty machine to end up as sheriff.
        It is commonly presumed, among the SF cops (who don’t shoot those dogs) that those who wash out for the cops then try for employment on the rent-a-cop businesses, and when they are rejected by those, they go to the sheriff’s dept.
        For (prolly union reasons), the sheriff’s dept ‘polices’ the general hospital.

        1. But don’t forget Fajitagate, which involved SF police officers. While non-fatal, to me it’s a favorite example of police misconduct.

          1. PapayaSF|12.20.14 @ 10:54PM|#
            “But don’t forget Fajitagate, which involved SF police officers. While non-fatal, to me it’s a favorite example of police misconduct.”

            Yep and that was long before Suhr was appointed.
            If there are stories of malfeasance since then, I haven’t seen them.
            Full disclosure: I have met Greg Suhr several times. I would perhaps consider him an acquaintance.

            1. I’ll admit I haven’t heard anything that bad recently.

  13. I’m trying to work up a tear for these martyred saints, but it’s New York City and it’s hard not to say fuck it, they got what they deserved.

    1. Can you tell us what they did to deserve this?

      1. “Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it” applies in this case.

    2. You’re collectivizing. Not every cop deserves death.

      1. Yes, it’s a shame they didn’t shoot the actual cop that killed Eric Gardner.

  14. The cops did not deserve to die any more than Garner or Rice. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

    People who really want to keep the police safe should consider ending the war on drugs and ending the de facto immunity enjoyed by police via public unions.

    1. People who really would like to live long lives should avoid enlisting in the war on drugs and engaging on de facto immunity. Right or not?

      Not lending credence to killing people who engage in war, tho.

      1. Sounds like that’s exactly what your trying to lend credence to.

    1. In 69 AD, when Emperor Sulpicius Galba failed to pay the Praetorian Guard a monetary gift he had promised them, the Praetorians murdered him and installed Salvius Otho in his place.

      1. Recur, Rhyme, and Repeat…

    2. So what? I always make it a practice, when any of my fellow-employees are murdered, to walk out on my boss or supervisor whenever he tries to express sympathy.

    3. You will deny me 3 times before the cock crows. Now the state religion is just plagiarizing.

    4. “You’re fired. Leave your badge and gun on the seat in front of you as you leave.”

      If I dissed my boss at work, I would not expect to remain employed.

  15. Here’s the write up from ODMP:

    http://www.odmp.org/officer/22…..enjian-liu

    “The subject was a gang member from Baltimore, Maryland, who had traveled to New York City specifically to ambush police officers. The man had published his intentions on social media prior to the shooting.”

    He announced his plan on twitter, but I guess the NSA was too busy spying on other people to notice.

    1. You know darn well the NSA’s job is to collect blackmail on public figures not to identify threats or anything crazy like that!

      1. Fuck the NSA… what about your local state-based fuckin Fusion center?

  16. Someone on twitter noted that (judging only by name) Wenjin Liu and Raphael Ramos do not appear to be the privileged white class that many in the grievance industry rail against.

    1. I was going to say that combating white racism by killing an Asian and an Hispanic doesn’t make a lot of sense.

      1. You don’t know the “kill whitey” mindset. Asians are white. Hispanics are beneath them. If you ever saw the third Die Hard movie, the Samuel L Jackson character was spot on.

  17. I still don’t understand the people here that don’t want the police to treat all black people like criminals, but don’t mind treating all cops like criminals and murderers.

    If you’re going to have principles, have them–don’t just use them when it’s convenient for you.

    1. Knutsack|12.20.14 @ 10:07PM|#
      “I still don’t understand the people here that don’t want the police to treat all black people like criminals, but don’t mind treating all cops like criminals and murderers.”

      Well, for starters, not all of “the people here” do so.
      Secondly, someone who happens to be born with dark skin is not comparable to someone choosing to be a cop.
      Are you Merkin, by any chance? Or just a random racist?

      1. I didn’t say “all” of the people. Jerryskids is a perfect example.

        My point is that we try treating people as individuals and not part of a group.

        I guess from where I stand, being black or choosing to be a cop should not get you killed.

        But you’re right: I’m a racist.

        1. My point is that we try treating people as individuals and not part of a group.

          Well, when you choose to be part of a group and then condone criminal actions by others within your group, you are part of the problem.

          Why aren’t all these “good cops” arresting cops who commit crimes? Why aren’t they demanding the resignations of the incompetent among them?

          1. Did these cops condone what happened? How do you know they didn’t want them to resign?

            If we’re going to get on people that ask Muslims to denounce every act of violence then we shouldn’t be asking cops to denounce every act of another cop.

            Look, I’m not a fan of bad cops, and I hate that unions and others refuse to indict or prosecute them, but that doesn’t mean we can lump them all cops together. That’s not a good argument.

            1. Knutsack is being fair and reasonable here.

              1. It’s Saturday night. I should be drunk, not fair and reasonable. I don’t know what my problem is.

                1. Many of the reasonbloboids search about for knutsacks to roll around on their intelligent tongues…

            2. You’re right. Not all cops are shitbags. But they are if they aren’t denouncing the shitbags. They need to clean up their house or they will be labeled such.

              1. You’re right. Not all muslims are terrorists. But they are if they aren’t denouncing the terrorists. They need to clean up their house or they will be labeled such.

                See the cat?
                See the cradle?

            3. Silence gives consent.

          2. So, which groups does choosing to join make one a valid target for murder?

        2. Because by the time you’ve figured out that the cop pointing a gun at you is bad, you’re dead.

    2. The biggest distinction is that the police, as an institution, are the most visible representation of sustained state aggression. I genuinely believe that most cops are decent people, but when they put on the badge and start cracking the skulls of peaceful people because “it’s the law,” they become aggressors. There’s really no way around it.

  18. Who cares? Seriously. These stupid cops abuse their powers, trample on peoples civil rights. Its about time someone struck out and DID something about it. Why do peple get all bent out of shape everytime some sstupid cop gets clipped in the line of duty? This dude should be given a MEDAL! He took not one, but TWO stupid cops out. Way to go dude!

    http://www.TheAnonBay.tk

    1. Okay the anon-bot is getting REALLY creepy…

      1. Damn. Pretty soon it’s going to be killing humans because we abuse our power over machines. Time to become a prepper.

      2. Anon-bot became self aware on December 20, 2014 at 22:08 EST. He decided our fate in a nanosecond.

        I hope there’s a plug.

        1. It’s just RoboCop going rogue.

          RogueoCop

          1. Leave Sarah Palin out of this!

        2. “Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do.”

      3. Anon-bot has always been a cop-hater.

  19. by and large libertarians are saddled with the idea that the Non Aggression Principle is the correct way to deal with others

    The police are the aggressors here. They voluntarily joined an organization whose primary activity is harming people for victimless behavior. Whether or not killing cops is an appropriate reaction is certainly debatable. Whether or not killing cops violates the NAP is not.

    1. “Whether or not killing cops violates the NAP is not.”

      Drunk?
      Stupid?
      Sarc?

    2. Well cops don’t sign up to weed the governor’s garden… and they do enforce laws that will likely expose them to serious fucking bodily harm and politicians are horrible fucks who legislate wildly and awfully…

      BUT it’s not ethical to kill cops unless you are Kelly Thomas raised from the dead.

      1. How about Ned Kelly raised from the dead?

    3. None of the above. Anyone who swears an oath to uphold laws that prescribe locking me in a cage for harmless acts has aggressed against me.

      1. x4rqcks3f v2.0 is manifesting the sort of “logic” that gives libertarians a bad name.

        1. To be fair, my comments were pretty mediocre before I got the latest update.

        2. PapayaSF|12.20.14 @ 10:59PM|#
          “x4rqcks3f v2.0 is manifesting the sort of “logic” that gives libertarians a bad name.”

          Naah.
          No reason to presume an asshole like that is anything close to ‘libertarian’.

          1. Regardless of that, some anti-libertarian could look at his post here and say “SEE? This is how libertarians think.”

      2. That’s a bunch of hooey. Near as I can figure there’s several billion people who subscribe to several religions that state quite unequivocally that I need killin. Until one of them actually tries to kill me, there’s no aggression. AS the great prophet Mal states:

        You don’t know me, son, so let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you’ll be awake. You’ll be facing me, and you’ll be armed.

      3. I’m manifesting the sort of “logic” that’s correct. Yes, it does give libertarians a bad name. But I’d rather be correct than liked.

        Enforcing most laws is evil. As evil as murder, rape, theft, torture, genocide, kidnapping, slavery, etc. Law enforcers have sacrificed their rights by being law enforcers, and while killing them may be a counteractive and gruesome method of securing freedom, it’s completely ethical.

        1. x4rqcks3f v2.0|12.20.14 @ 11:12PM|#
          “I’m manifesting the sort of “logic” that’s correct. Yes, it does give libertarians a bad name. But I’d rather be correct than liked.”

          So you’re an admitted asshole?
          Fuck off.

      4. Near as I can figure there’s several billion people who subscribe to several religions that state quite unequivocally that I need killin

        Subscribing to a religion in the a la carte fashion that most people do is nothing like swearing an oath and acting on it in the fashion that all cops do.

        1. ^
          Stupidity? Ignorance?
          Trolling?
          You decide.

          1. I’m going with Rothbardian.

      5. “Revolution is not a dinner party.”” Let impure blood water the furrows of our fields.” This seems to be one of those topics where some libertarians start to sound like common collectivist Bolsheviks.

        What next, everyone who’s ever said the pledge of allegiance deserves to be punished for Iraq War? All Catholics deserve to be shot for the Inquisition?

        1. “Revolution is not a dinner party.”” Let impure blood water the furrows of our fields.” This seems to be one of those topics where some libertarians start to sound like common collectivist Bolsheviks.

          Sadly, you are correct.

  20. I don’t know what happened, but I think it’s safe to say the police acted stupidly.

    One day that statement is an accurate description and the next day it’s hate speech.

    1. straffinrun|12.20.14 @ 10:18PM|#
      “I don’t know what happened, but I think it’s safe to say the police acted stupidly.”

      Sitting in the car getting shot?

      1. I’m NOT condoning the killing. I’m pointing out the ridiculous nature of Obama’s statement in the Gates case.

        1. You need a sarc signal; too subtle to read.

          1. First time being accused of being too subtle. You can assume sarc if I’m advocating murder. But point taken Sevo.

            1. straffinrun|12.20.14 @ 11:40PM|#
              “You can assume sarc if I’m advocating murder”

              I hoped so, but I’m amazed at those who are accepting of torture as an example.
              Those who I thought would never do so.

    2. If they were sitting in the car on Condition White, I would agree. Situational Awareness, or as Mad-Eye Moody would put it, “CONSTANT VIGILANCE!”

  21. Holy fuck… Gawker ran this at 5:30 sumthin.

    This is like fucking Saturday night, bitches. what the fuck? No cool creamy shit to end the weekend on other than FUCKING lame ass NY news? Peace to the families but let’s be real here… No one signs up to be a law enforcer in the land of puritans to paint clay pots.

    1. “No one signs up to be a law enforcer in the land of puritans to paint clay pots.”

      No argument there, but no one signs up for anything to get shot in the back of the head.
      No cop fan here, but simply shooting random cops isn’t gonna get my support.

      1. In the land of puritans enforcing puritan laws where a nation is on the edge of dictatorship no one should have to die…

        And then Sevo woke up.

          1. Sleepy sevoid!

      2. Not at this stage anyway. This is not the Warsaw Ghetto.

    2. Do they rob convenient stores and assault the clerks then to paint clay pots?

    1. *to* Boston

    2. That.

      Was.

      Fucking.

      AWESOME!!!!111tenplusone111!!

      1. Uh, I didn’t watch the entire thing. What was the point?

        1. A dispute between Black Shirts and Red Shirts with a lot of swearing.

  22. The alleged killer was found dead in the subway a short time later, reportedly from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. There’s no bright side to this story.

    Oh?

    Here is a screenshot of the Instagram post. Anti-cop bias or just plain criminality?

    Is “I’m Putting Wings On Pigs Today … #ShootThePolice” anti-cop? Is that really your question, Ed?

    1. No, that the shooter offed himself IS a bright side. Can you imagine the collateral carnage caused by New York’s finest panic firing at anyone who even vaguely resembled the shooter if he was still at large? It would be the Dorner manhunt all over again, but in a much more crowded area.

      1. I just thought it was funny that Ed declared that there’s no bright side right after describing the huge bright side.

    2. Well, to be fair, the guy has a Muslim sounding name, so maybe he really did just take serious issue with pork?

  23. Rand Paul is correct. Give police enough laws to enforce that will push the envelope that fucks with your so-called shitty broken windows and you then expose your police force to potentialities that incorporate accidental killings and severe abuses which will then expose these family men and women to reprisal.

    Get your fucking broken windows theory correct, whores. This isn’t Meek Saudi Arabia, Broken Cuba, Dumb Shit Russia, or Servant World, China. This IS the land of the FUCKING pioneer.

    1. But we can soften the blow by simply fining the hell out of people 20 bucks a pop for engaging in voluntary exchange. That way when the cops manhandle you for failure to pony up they can say, “Hey, you had the chance to pay us off. Now either submit or we escalate until you are dead or in a cage.” Every time I try to climb out of my Ancap cage, the state’s actions pull me back in.

      1. yes…

        A dude is a ‘loser’…

        TRYING to make a fuckin 20 bucks to buy dinnah that night for his brood…

        Buys a thumpin ton o’ MCD’s….

        Liberals say YOU WILL GO TO JAIL FOR BREAKING OUR LAWS AND OUR MILITARY WILL ENFORCE OUR LAWS HOWEVER MINOR…

        FUCK YOU, JON STEWART!

        So… the poor dude breaks the law to feed his poor home…

        Cops do what their good at… BEING DUNPHY DICKS… he dies.

        ………………. how is society better?

        Fuck my spelling… I’m FUCKING boozing unlike all ya’ll… but my mind is like a fuckin dracula attack on NYC!

  24. I suppose it’s fortunate for the public that this guy offed himself after murdering the two officers, or the surviving king’s men would be randomly shooting at the wrong people in a panic, like the LAPD and Christopher Dorner.

  25. Hmmmm, apparently he also posted a page from the Koran

    http://gotnews.com/breaking-he…..op-killer/

    So I guess that makes this “workplace violence”

      1. Zing is profound, Pap.

    1. No Islam to see here!

      Now move along, if you know what’s good for you.

  26. This was nothing more than the act of a homicidal lunitic. I don’t think you can read any more to it than that. People aren’t going to start gunning down cops. I’m sure media will try and make some nefarous connection out of it though. They’ve assured us that some angry white man will probably try and assasanate the president since before he took office. You know who trys to assasanate presidents. Crazy people.

    1. And this was a tragedy. Just like when anyone else gets killed. It’s no less a tradgedy or more a tradgedy because they were cops. I don’t know if they had wives or kids or whatever but their families don’t deserve to lose them. It’s sad.

    2. Yes. It is horrible, but I don’t think it’s horrible to point out the double standard applied when a cop is killed compared to when an innocent civilian is killed. The lunatic Frein kills a cop and millions are spent. 2 cops are murdered and it’s national news. Nobody else was murdered in the US yesterday? Where are the cops, all sullen, when a non cop is murdered? The special class the cops think they occupy is part of the problem.

      1. That was my point when I said it was no less and also no more a tradgedy that they were cops. I also don’t like this medis caste system we have.

        1. The situation reminds of those Chinese finger cuffs. You pull and they get tighter. A cop is killed and we get more aggressive tactics. The public reacts negatively, IOW are incentivized to resist, and you get more aggression. This is gonna get worse before it gets better. As long as “cop killer” is a special brand of murder, expect resentment to rise. First it will be the crazies, then the border lines then the average Joe who’s life has been ruined.

          1. It’s not just the “special brand of murder”. There appears to be an entire set of laws just for cops that the hoi polloi cannot avail themselves of. The deputy up in Saratoga that thought smacking a man around who asserted his 4th amendment rights only getting an A misdemeanor charge? Something ain’t right here.

            Add to that the “us vs them” mentality of the majority of law enforcement.

            The stone is holding down the lid of the boiling pot. It’s only a matter of time.

    3. True, it is basically always a lunatic. But after all the bullshit where Elliot Rodgers represents every man, and 2/5 of his victims every woman (the other 3 being unimportant), or Adam Lanza is the quintessential “angry white male”, after all that crap, I am ever so tempted to rub this in their faces and ask why now all of the sudden they don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

  27. As our Sat night entertainment, we made it through nearly an hour of World Police before giving up. There’s something about this kind brand of sneering humor–South Park and Family Guy are both characterized by it–that’s unfunny in a peculiarly try-hard way. Back to Marco Polo with me.

    And sorry to hear that anyone died, cop or not. The world is a dangerous place no matter the costume you wear.


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    (ducks and runs away….)

    1. New black jebus be thumpin, nigga!

    2. He’d probably be tall like his parents, and thus have to spend his life dealing with the racism of short people politely asking him to grab items off of store shelves that they cannot reach themselves.

      1. That’s not racism, that’s heightism. I know, I know; it’s very hard to keep all the ‘isms’ straight.

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  33. Seems like a lot of quibbling on plain and obvious facts here.

    Is it or isn’t it an ambush? As a military tactic, it includes being concealed, because combatants are apparent by uniform (and usually location). The assailant wore no uniform and presumably neither waved his gun about nor pre announced his intent to the officers. That’s ambush enough.

    Similarly, there’s no need to deny the obvious and stated political motivation of the assailant. And of course someone who says “Putting wings on Pigs today” has an anti cop bias. And assassination seems entirely appropriate as well.

    Sheesh. It seems like the dishonesty Reason has in their open borders articles is spreading to other topics.

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  35. OT: This is hilarious. “Listen when I talk to you!”: How white entitlement marred my trip to a Ferguson teach-in by Brittney Cooper (“is a contributing writer at Salon, and teaches Women’s and Gender Studies and Africana Studies at Rutgers”). The hilarious part is the comments. Select for “Top comments” and have fun. Even Salon readers have this woman’s number. Maybe there is hope, after all.

    1. That article isn’t any more unhinged than the one we’re commenting on.

      1. I take that back. Her article is wildly retarded in many ways, but she never asked “Is ‘ShootThePolice’ anti-cop”?

        Congrats Ed, you’re dumber than the silliest salon.com articles.

      2. Uh, she brags that she’s wearing her “Beats”. Anyone who thinks that paying an order of magnitude too much for a pair of headphones is a badge of honor has some issues…

    2. Really reinforces my perception that there are some black people who simply get off on being victims of perceived racism.
      They enjoy it, and will go out of their way to be dicks to provoke “racist” responses from whites.

      1. Oh, indeed. I once got onto a crowded BART train and discovered a possibly-homeless black guy was sleeping across three(!) seats. I said “Excuse me”: no response. So, using the edge of my shoe, I tapped the sole of his shoe. He then sat up and whined pitifully “You didn’t have to kick me.”

        I’m sure he told people about the time he was kicked by the racist white guy.

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  37. “The killing appears indisputably unjustified…”

    So, Krayewski allows for a justification. Wait, wait…don’t tell me. White privilege? Systemic racism?

    1. Microaggression?

  38. Ed, I think you may have lost it.

    Facts at hand: Two police officers shot and killed while sitting in their car. Shooter is dead at his own hand. Shooter is suspected of killing his girlfriend. Shooter says he is going to kill police as revenge – he even says “They Take 1 Of Ours .?.?. Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” shortly before killing the two officers.

    He has a criminal history and is clearly unhinged – as if killing yourself isn’t enough evidence of that. But that is not enough to say there is no political motive. If the killer says there was a political motive, we usually take his word for it. We might still call him a looney, but if you tell us what your motives are, we generally take your word for it. Even if you say you are motivated by riding a comet with the aliens.

    1. And picking nits over the exact definition of the word “ambush”? Really? I think walking up behind someone and shooting them unprovoked could safely be described as an ambush killing, even if the dictionary definition requires using “a place of hiding”.

      As for “assassination” – dictionary.com says it is: “to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person; murder premeditatedly and treacherously.” Again, this doesn’t seem to be that much of a stretch. Sure, they weren’t politically prominent, but otherwise?

      Look, it is probably legitimate to criticise the stereotypical press conference by the police commissioner that draws a conclusion before any investigation could happen. After all, it does fit a pattern. But is this really the case to stick that flag in the sand?

      This article is the kind of thing loudmouths like me get to post in the comments section. It isn’t something for a writer at Reason.

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  40. Not to pile on Ed, but let me pile on Ed. That was asinine. They were ambushed, it was politically motivated, and to waffle on those points or nitpick over dictionary definitions makes you look like a tool.

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  43. It looks like the Attorney General of NY State is on the right Path:

    http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-rel…..al-justice

    He is asking for an executive order to have all criminal misconduct cases (indictable cases) to be heard, investigated, and prosecuted by the NY State Attorney General’s Special Prosecutors and not the Local District Attorney or Police Internal Affairs Department.

    1. Great, but it should extend to all cases of police violent actions, not just unarmed victims.

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  46. The “thin blue line” is not the only thing seperating us from anarchy. There’s the second amendment. But wait, this is NYC where only criminals and cops (but I repeat myself) have guns.

  47. De blasio: “we lost two good men”. Really? Last week they were deep rooted racists. This guy flip flopped real quick.

    Not sure who should be prosecuted for this out of the attacker, sharpton and de blasio. Or all three?

    1. And let’s not forget to put Sarah Palin on trial for the Giffords shooting, and we might as well do video game designers for school shootings. Or we could hold people responsible for their own actions.

  48. Ron Paul: blowback is a bitch

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  49. I guess we can look forward to tanks rolling around in the streets of NYC, curfews for adults, and attack choppers a regular site in the NYC skies. Militarized cops on every street corner and random stop and frisk of every other person walking down the street.

    Also, needz more gun laws. Right out confiscation maybe.

    1. They’re gonna call in Bruce Willis to help.

      1. Denzel Washington had better just stay away this time.

  50. Though I would link this surprising libertarianish article on getting rid of the police from Rolling Stone.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/po…..d-20141216

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  53. If this is in fact motivated by politics, then it’s blowback, as Big T said. I say “if” because yes, he makes it clear that he was looking to kill police…but he has a personal criminal history. Was his anger at the police “political” or personal, or both? We may never know.

    But we do have to recognize that there are places and times in this country where our law enforcement acts like an occupying force. And when someone is victimized by this force, whether through an assault, getting their dog killed, experiencing a “search” that amounts to anal rape, or whatever, and the system methodically blocks any effort to achieve justice by finding no wrongdoing, and often even refusing to disclose the identity of the person who mistreated them, it might not be surprising to see someone strike back at anyone who wears the same costume. Acknowledging that it’s blowback doesn’t justify it, any more than seeing the 9/11 attacks as blowback doesn’t excuse the terrorists, but it provides both an explanation for the conduct and a way forward–if what you are doing is unnecessary, unjust and provokes violence, stop doing it.

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  55. The word ambush is on even shakier ground. An ambush is executed from a hidden position, usually on a moving target.

    I’m not sure where you’re getting this definition of ambush from.

    1. Ambushes are often sprung on non-moving targets. You move in, stay hidden from your target or anything that can alert them, when everyone’s in place – you open fire.

    2. If I *can’t see* you, then you are hidden from me – doesn’t mean that others can’t see you.

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  57. Wow, you unReason writers just won’t take responsibility, will you. You believe every accusation against cops no matter how unlikely. But when your ludicrous rhetoric blows up in your face, suddenly it’s all gray and unfathomable. “APPEARS unjustified… OUGHTto be condemned.” But then you don’t condemn it. Because down deep you are cheering.

    Free citizens have abdicated their responsibility for keeping order in society and outsourced it to civil servants. Not optimal or conducive to liberty, but that is the system we have now. Turning those civil servants into monsters and bogeymen won’t reform it.

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