Tonight on The Independents: Fear of a 'Dangerous' Planet, Jennifer Lawrence 'Sex Crime,' Military Spending Forever, Ebola, Unfree Speech, Dumb Laws, No Justice for Bou Bou, and Aftershow

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) will include a trademark mix of talk about scary subjects, mixed with deep skepticism about same (particularly of government reaction toward them).

The conversation starts with Kobani, the Syrian Kurdish border town that has been on the verge of Islamic State takeover for the last 30 hours, though increased U.S. bombing has reportedly stopped the ISIS surge. Joining to discuss are Party Panelists Will Rahn (Daily Beast senior editor) and Joe DeVito (comedian), who will also tackle Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's latest American Enterprise Institute-pleasing call for pinning military spending to 4% of GDP (hey, it worked for Mitt Romney, amirite?), and also the controversy over Jennifer Lawrence's recent Vanity Fair cover and quote about her hacked nudie photos being a "sex crime."

Cato Institute Vice President for Defense and Foreign Policy Studies Christopher Preble (read his Reason archive here), will argue just how wrong Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey has been when repeatedly insisting that we are living in the most "dangerous" era of recent times. Dr. Eugene Seymour of the nanomedicine company NanoViricides, will report on the latest medical developments in the fight against Ebola. Foundation for Individual Rights in Education President Greg Lukianoff will talk about his new mini-book, Freedom From Speech. And Kmele Foster will detail the latest sadly predictable news about the Georgia cops who will not face criminal charges after flash-grenading off part of a 19-month-old's face.

And Kennedy will be back with her latest demonstration of Dumb Laws. Here's a taste:

Online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

...will include a trademark mix of talk about scary subjects, mixed with deep skepticism about same (particularly of government reaction toward them).

And then after that the hosts take a Vanity Fair quiz for the last 51 minutes of the show.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

This better be good tonight.

/crosses arms. Narrows gaze.

[gaijin]

The conversation starts with Kobani

Personally, I don't care for their greek yoghurt

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Why did Abraham Lincoln represent a man in a legal case to reclaim the man's alleged runaway slave?

"The real reason Lincoln took Matson, the slave owner, as a client is simply that it was his business to represent people. Lawyers took business as it came along....

"?The fact that Lincoln took the Matson side of the case did not mean that Lincoln abandoned his antislavery beliefs. Lincoln was known to be antislavery, yet his professionalism enabled him to take the side of a slave owner. And his belief in Whig principles to uphold the rule of law as a barrier against chaos allowed him to represent a slave owner in spite of his moral convictions."

http://rcnky.com/articles/2014.....sor-learns

[gaijin]

omg. I am watching Cavuto. The Amazing Kreskin is on. When did he become a doddering old man?

[GILMORE]

MY GRANNY HAS A PERMIT TO BEG ON THE STREET!! SO DON'T YOU BE MAD WHEN HER CAR IS NICER THAN YOURS

"The 78-year-old was holding a sign claiming she needed cash for food. According to Daniel Ayala, he had given her money on a few occasions even when he didn't have enough money to pay for his own lunch. The story could have ended there, but then one day Ayala noticed the woman sitting in the driver's seat of a bright red 2013 Fiat ? not exactly what you would expect of a woman who begged for money. He couldn't contain himself and let the woman know how he felt by screaming at her in the parking lot.
....
The elderly woman's grandchildren allegedly contacted Newman and told her that their grandmother has a panhandling permit and was not doing anything illegal. ..."

I'm proud of those kids, supporting Granny's hobbies.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Hey, I work for the government, so there!

[Heroic Mulatto]

Don't be hatin'

[Palin's Buttplug]

J-Law is a prude. So disappointing.

[Sevo]

Whatever, turd.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS, LET'S GET TOGETHER YEAH, YEAH, YEAH!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

For Kennedy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1lVSWaafec

(just kidding, we all love you)

[Heroic Mulatto]

Wow. People who write into to Cavuto are drooling morons.

[gaijin]

I always wondered if those weren't written by his staff...to make it seem like he has lots of viewers.

[Heroic Mulatto]

In related news, half of us are just Matt.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

They have a commercial break between Cavuto and TI? When did that happen?

[gaijin]

Obama's War

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Quagmire!

[gaijin]

giggity!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Wrong thread.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

THey look related.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster and Welch?

[GILMORE]

DOUBLE BETA MALE SANDWICH!

[Rev-Match]

Silly Matt, the WHOLE WORLD is our region.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

NATO is done.

[BigT]

We've degraded...our credibility

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

also the controversy over Jennifer Lawrence's recent Vanity Fair cover and quote about her hacked nudie photos being a "sex crime."

Sure, why not? Might as well totally destroy the meaning of that phrase.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THE SHOW HASN'T GOTTEN TO THAT TOPIC YET.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

SHOUTING LIKE THAT IS SEX CRIME...

WHEN STEVE SMITH DOES IT!

[PapayaSF]

I look at that cover and think: why is this woman a sex symbol? She's young and not bad, but she's nothing special. I went to high school and college with a number of better-looking women.

[Fist of Etiquette]

She said the same thing about you.

[PapayaSF]

My girlfriend is the only person promoting me as a sex symbol.

[Calidissident]

I agree with this as well. Not that she isn't attractive or that I'd kick her out of bed, but I'm not quite seeing whatever her obsessed fan base who thinks she's the hottest woman ever are seeing.

[Heroic Mulatto]

See, this is where we need Postrel!

[Gluesponge]

I'm guessing that the reason hearkens back to the old Ron White bit...

"once you've seen one set of tits, you want to see the rest of 'em"

[ant1sthenes]

But... there were naked pictures of her on the internet.

NAKED.

PICTURES.

ON THE INTERNET.

WHERE ANYONE COULD SEE THEM.

Do you know how hard it is to find naked pictures of fairly attractive women on the internet? Geez, dude, think before you post sometimes.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

THAT TIE!!!!!!

[BigT]

Bobby 'bad ties' Jindal

[Fist of Etiquette]

Jindal is getting lost behind those ties.

[GILMORE]

Either Bobby Jindal is horribly skinny, or he wears Clown Ties.

[Derpetologist]

The Plot Thickens

As I suspected, my nice boss revealed today that the reason my performance improvement plan was vague was because my performance is fine. Apparently, it is my demeanor that is ruffling feathers. I wish I was joking, but these are the actual points he brought up:

1. In meetings, I don't sit at the table- I sit on the extra chairs near the wall. They have interpreted this as hostility. I said it's because the chairs at the table are uncomfortable and prone to sliding out from under people.

2. Sometimes, when people are talking to me, I get a look contemptuous look on my face as though I have heard something very stupid. I said my grimace is the result of me trying desperately not to sigh, roll my eyes, or god forbid, say what I think. This is particularly true whenever I hear things like: verbage [sic], thrown under the bus, at the end of the day, etc.

[PapayaSF]

Ah, the perils of emotional transparency. I know it well.

[BigT]

You gat a bad attitude, mister.

[gaijin]

I get a look contemptuous look on my face

The worst thing you can do is show them you think they are idiots...especially when they are.

[BigT]

False respect. That's the secret to corporate life.

[gaijin]

^truth

[Derpetologist]

"The worst thing you can do is show them you think they are idiots...especially when they are."

Oops...

[Derpetologist]

*should be "I get a contemptuous look.."

[Rev-Match]

Apparently, it is my demeanor that is ruffling feathers.

Try getting into some subcategory of the construction industry. All we care about is building shit. You have to act a certain way in professional dealings with clients, but you don't have to like it.

[Derpetologist]

I remember my first encounter with my half-wit boss. I came to his office to inform him that a part had not been ordered because the purchasers needed special permission. I also informed him that an order for similar parts had been languishing for months longer than my part.

Later that day, he summoned me to his office. During the next hour, he boasted of his street smarts, high IQ, and ability to get things done. I asked him how long it would take him to straighten out the purchasing problem I brought to his attention. He said a few minutes. I said well, wouldn't it be a better use of your time to do that than yell at me for an hour? He got angrier. The last thing he said to me before I left was that if I wasn't careful, the world would chew me up and spit me out.

OK, tough guy. We'll see about that.

[Gluesponge]

I remember getting a mediocre performance review because upper management didn't get a "sense of urgency" from my demeanor. I don't get rattled. It's unprofessional, and it shows a lack of discipline and confidence. Except when your managers want to see it from you.

so I started running around like my crotch was on fire, and lo... I got a better review next year. Plus I get to run around and pretend to panic... which isn't too bad once in a while.

[Derpetologist]

"Perception is reality" is the bullshit slogan I keep hearing. What happened to "don't judge a book by its cover"?

[Gluesponge]

Good question. Or perhaps my work speaks for itself?

I am not a good "player" in the office politicking game. But as long as they leave me alone and let me do my job... I don't give two shits if they set fire to their desks and roast marshmallows all day. I think that'd be more productive than most management work I see.

[Derpetologist]

It probably didn't help that I corrected the twit's horrid writing:

I was given an example of "good" business writing to use as a model. Here are some samples and the comments I gave in response:

"human-based manual process"

Are there manual processes here not done by humans? (I was going to bring up trained apes, but I stopped myself).

"completely eliminate"

Redundant. You can't partially eliminate something.

"which will enable the ability"

I was going to write "Dept. of Redundancy Dept.", but merely said it should be "which will let"

I know I'm not crazy. This kind of puffy, stilted writing is the butt of countless jokes. I will never give up my fight against Corporatese.
Bad writing goes together with bad thinking.

[Derpetologist]

Said guy is also found of boasting that he got through college by telling the professors what they wanted to hear. This is the first time I have ever known someone who was proud of kissing ass.

[Gluesponge]

I've always heard 'if you gotta tell me, you ain't.'

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Destroy has a specific military definition in bombing/arty to take the target down to 60-70%

[Rev-Match]

I can't tell if Kennedy looks hot tonight, or if I just haven't gotten laid in awhile.

[PapayaSF]

Why not both?

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

DSBs

Deadly Semen Build-up.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Once testing is done, because this is a crisis, it should be into Africa within the decade."

[PapayaSF]

Ah, for the good old days when things happened fast. We are so, so cautious about too many things these days.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did you preview that comment before posting?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Geez. Just because he has Ebola doesn't mean HIPAA is out the window.

[PapayaSF]

Who cares about crucial information about an epidemic when there's red tape to consider?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I had a touch of Ebola but NyQuil and Vicodin cured it.

[Rev-Match]

You misspelled 'syphilis' & 'penicillin'.

[BigT]

We have nothing to fear but small dangers blown out of proportion by the drooling idiots in the press.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Why aren't they televising bombing ISIS?

/sips sour cherry juice.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

No shit, that's how CNN became a thing. War Porn.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 7 October 2014

The East Germany-Edition

- Kennedy: Few are aware of the "Never Follow Blue with Blue"-fashion-rule. VERY few. Because I just made it up. But Kennedy looked so spetacularishious yesterday that we are compelled to reject tonights Blue-based Ensemble as just so much 'leftovers'. It has all the same things we liked yesterday, and that's *exactly the problem*. I can't say the same thing twice. So. ___________

- Matt: VICTORY, THY NAME IS PURPLE. A new tie has arrived, and it is Awesome. Good lord, had it been w/ a *grey* suit? I would be unable to speak. Regardless, it is Epic. Matt also deserves compliment for not attempting this with the Pink Shirt on its debut - an error that may have hurt me deeply. (pink wants a 'lilac' or lighter purple shade) + A Thousand Huzzahs.

- Kmele: Shazaam! We yesterday dared to suggest that Kmele's game was weak in the face of semi-sharp party-panelists. We here receive the backhanded bitch-slap of greatness: a jacket with a nap we can't identify but will refer to as 'tweedish', and a tie that pops like Lil Jon says... looks great. Its classic Kmele goodness. Were it not for Matt's secret weapon, there would be no contest.

Your Mom's On WuWu

[gaijin]

Aging populations are scared populations.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Younger populations are like, "hold my beer and watch this!"

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

I fear the growth of government.

[BigT]

This guy wrote "Leaving Iraq", a daring view of life in the 23rd Century.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They look like idiots.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

It's Hippety Hopper v. Hoppy.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0c_YZVUFg

[Fist of Etiquette]

Vlad the paler.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Putin was probably doing this on his birthday

[Gluesponge]

Maybe that's why she's hiding her naughty bits. 🙂 It's smoking after Pooty-Poo's lovin'...

[Rev-Match]

PUTIN ATE TONY!...the tiger...

[Fist of Etiquette]

I bet OSHA is going to have something to say about that heroin workplace.

[gaijin]

good god Lena Dunham in underwear.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Vote or DIE!

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Now that lever action did something for me.

I'm slightly aroused.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

That was disgusting.

To think Howard Stern thinks Miss Prosciutto is funny.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THIS MANUFACTURING MARVELS IS A REPEAT.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

The hauler of choice!

[PapayaSF]

Multi-purpose goosenecks!

[PapayaSF]

"Do you like confetti?"

"I don't know, I am new in America."

[Fist of Etiquette]

ARE THOSE SKINNY PANTS, FOSTER?

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

In NYC, it should be illegal for Kennedy to question people on the street.

[gaijin]

It is property theft at most

[Rufus J. Firefly]

She has big tits.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yeah, I support Jennifer Lawrence's right to decide for herself about how and whether to exploit here nudie pics, unless they photo her being naked in public.

[BigT]

J Law - it's abuse of the mentally handicapped

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I DID IT ALL FOR THE COOKIE

[gaijin]

+ 1 Limp Bizkit

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cookie Monster outfit? What kind of fetishes are we working with here on < i The Independents?

[Rev-Match]

Nudity is nudity. You're born that way.

All Natur-al.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Do we know how these images got out? No. Fuck that. If someone hacked her hard-drive, they should be tried for theft, but if she ever shared these, then fuck her.

[PapayaSF]

Apparently there is a subculture of people who try to get into the accounts of famous young women by guessing passwords, etc.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That dude has Kennedy's number.

[What's that smell?]

Went out to dinner, had a 2 lb. rib-eye steak wrapped in bacon with sauteed onions and mushrooms, big ass Caesar salad, pecan pie and 8 pints of stout. Came home and took a massive dump and it looked just like Kennedy...glasses and all. Smelled better than her though...go figure.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I'd see a gastroenterologist.

[GILMORE]

Hi Mary!

We love your "NYC Liberal" character!

[Derpetologist]

Speaking of naked people, I found this Greenpeace protest today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1We4WW3fvfQ

I also found a similar Sierra Club protest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZj6UBr2KWo

Notice anything about the skin color of everyone in those videos? Hint: snow, porcelain

[GILMORE]

OMG you're saying they have Vitiligo?

[BigT]

Before and after:

Green piece of shit.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Heard Patrick Moore (one of the founders of GP) in an interview last week say that the environmental movement has been hijacked by the political left. He sees nothing noble in the protests we see about global warming. Rather, it's all anti-capitalist bull shit led by clowns like Klein.

I was impressed.

[GILMORE]

Monsanto and the Kochs Got to him!!?

[GILMORE]

The 'naked photo sharing' thing...

it sounds to me that if i 'said something horribly offensive' to a small group of people?... and thought - in my mind? - it were 'private'?

...and someone later quoted me to the general public?

HOW HURTFUL. Is that a 'crime' as well?

[BigT]

- 1 NBA team

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did this asshole not walk his moronic commentary back yet?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hearing people out is to be valued. DO YOU HEAR THAT, KENNEDY?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I am so offended.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

No Kennedy, Interrupting is not a form of free speech.

[Rev-Match]

claim to value free speech but don't understand what it is

Because everyone is raised to be perpetually offended pansies with zero control over their emotions.

[Fist of Etiquette]

How could they be responsible? They had badges?

[GILMORE]

Song from the segment break

I knew the band, did not know the tune

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oooooh, I forgot to put on my cup...aaah, the pain...

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Fuck these pigs!

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

There's always federal charges for violating constitutional rights.

[GILMORE]

DOBBS!?!MY EYES!!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Why not have the doctor back, too?

[Fist of Etiquette]

So if I own a sidewalk I can't lie down on it?

[Fist of Etiquette]

What happened on 7th Heaven?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1965747

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's the real reason Admiral Kirk took the Enterprise back.

[Heroic Mulatto]

It's called "dressing like an adult", Rahn.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Chi Chi? The golfer was involved in this?

[Fist of Etiquette]

It still requires a donor penis.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Are you offering?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't have that much extra to spare.

[GILMORE]

Happy birthday Kmele
Happy birthday Kmele
Happy birthday Kmele
You're Closer to Death

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Hurry up and cut her off!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cutoff.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Just like the donor penis.

[trshmnster the terrible]

+1 nub

[GILMORE]

The cutoff waited for the word, 'penis'

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I don't think Kmele would like the ghost costume I had as a kid.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Pretty much a pillowcase with some decoration on it, but a white pillowcase.

[Jesus H. Christ]

It's the "burning cross" tote you used to hold the candy.

[userve32]

That looks like its gonna be good. Wow.

http://www.Anon-Planet.tk

[gaijin]

I learned to look forward to the Manufacturing Marvels segment with John Cristwell. Part information, part kitch, all Independents.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Agreed.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Is it? Thank God we did our hockey pool last night!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

History. Tradition. You know?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Not that I follow it as much as I used to, but it's better than a Panthers-Lightning opener, eh?