Tonight on The Independents: Red Meat Wednesday, With John Stossel, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Geraldo Rivera, and Two Minutes Hate!

Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) will once again bat around the many policy issues raised by the advent of the Islamic State, and America's increasingly aggressive reaction toward it.

Fox News mainstay Geraldo Rivera will tackle the thorny question of whether families or countries should (or should be able to) pay cash dollar bills to free hostages held by Islamic terrorists. And Party Panelists Katherine Mangu-Ward (your friendly neighborhood managing editor) and Paul Mecurio (Wall Street lawyer-turned comedian) will discuss the new estimate of 300 U.S. passport-holders fighting with ISIL, and also whether the floated U.S. bombing in Syria is either legal or advisable. (The duo will come back later to weigh in on the important issue of Al Sharpton's fat-shaming.)

Eponymous Fox Business Network host, Reason.com columnist, and American hero John Stossel will tease his upcoming show on how the Environmental Protection Agency has run amok. The co-hosts will critique President Barack Obama's attempts to circumvent the United States Congress while forging a kinda-sorta climate change treaty, and then will sit stoically and suffer your abuse, relayed by Fox Human Resources scold Bernie Maxsmith.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

I better not see purple hair. This is Fox Biz, after all.

[GILMORE]

You're talking about a show which has as its 'expert guests' either policy-zombies rented from the Bush Administration... or 'lesser known' Rappers.

You'll get purple hair and like it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm telling Bernie on you.

[Heroic Mulatto]

[Greatest] American hero John Stossel

[GILMORE]

This, the A-Team, Miami Vice, The Fall Guy, Magnum PI, Riptide, and Moonlighting...

*Television*

Drops mic.

[PapayaSF]

the new estimate of 300 U.S. passport-holders fighting with ISIL

Can't those passports be revoked?

[GILMORE]

whoa whoa whoa there buddy. I mean come on now. You don't want to rush things. I mean, they still might owe back-taxes.

[DK]

... the new estimate of 300 U.S. passport-holders fighting with ISIL ...

They were itching to join.

[GILMORE]

Here's a thing =

I found having to watch cavuto absolutely unbearable when he was being 'subbed'

Whereas, I liked Dobbs better without him.

i think this says more about the replacements than the actual programs. Ashley Webster is pretty good. Cavuto's understudies are like CIA torture-specialits.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Hate.

[Fist of Etiquette]

If only that bow tie would spin when he got riled up over the Jews.

[Heroic Mulatto]

So that's why Nation of Islam members wear them!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Purple...yay.

[Rhywun]

I just caught that - OMG WTF. OMG.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Pocket square with no tie is more a minus than no square at all.

[Rhywun]

Better than a bow tie, ugh.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Hey....hey....HEY!

[GILMORE]

I agree entirely.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Blue jeans. They want blue jeans.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Acid wash jeans.

[Fist of Etiquette]

YEAH DEFEND THAT MECURIO.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Katherine Mangu-Ward editor at Reason, eh?

My letter to the editor:

Please tell Matt to stop posting the topics for The Independents at 2:31pm.

Thank you.

/raises lighter.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

You have Progressive ghettos though!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Isn't Minneapolis America's Muslim slum? ZING.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

feed keeps crapping out on me...

Best show ever?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

This guy is an idiot.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He said the same about you.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

What did I ever do to him?

[Rev-Match]

I hate "The Geraldo".

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Is that a haircut?

[Rhywun]

It's a moustache-related dance craze.

[SIV]

11 minutes in and only 24 comments? I guess no one watches The Independents anymore.

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

And they promised to let our love shine through, tonight.

Embarrassing.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You're back now. Get a haircut.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Anna Nicole Smith? Way to be relevant, Geraldo.

[Winston]

Is there still something in Al Capone's vault?

[Heroic Mulatto]

I remember watching that live.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Put a die pack in your ransom bag.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

His stache has really gone downhill.

[Fist of Etiquette]

His stache said the same about you.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Why does everyone hate me?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Because you have a ska band?

[GILMORE]

Ska bands would be a lot less lame if people didn't dress up like assholes.

[Winston]

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08.....uce-conduc

In that vein, Egypt, along with the United Arab Emirates, also recently conducted air strikes against radical Islamist militants making gains in Libya. That country has been sliding into instability since the West's hit-and-run intervention in 2011 that helped an assortment of rebels overthrow the government of Col. Qaddafi, leaving that government's massive weapons stockpiles for the taking of all kinds of miltiants, from Nigeria to Syria. Despite the Obama administration's contribution to this chaos, the U.S. government appeared to lament Egypt's "intervention" in Libya as an "escalation" of the turmoil, according to USA Today. Yet Egypt is far more staked in a stable Libya than the U.S. is, and their willingness to step up there too is more evidence that U.S. non-intervention can spur regional powers to take more responsibilities and not, as interventionists argue, create more chaos. In fact, that's what interventions tend to do.

Wait so air raids don't count as "intervention"? And interventions are okay as long as the US isn't doing it?

[GILMORE]

Don't ask for it to make sense.

The 'logic' of Non-Interventionists is to interpret any consequence of american 'inaction' (broadly defined) in the best of possible lights ; and anytime anything bad actually happens around the world, it is to be tied somehow to something the US 'did', no matter how passive (to include treaties, trade, or even 'inflammatory talk'.

Also = characterizing what's happening in Libya as either 'not chaos' or 'more positive now that we've STOPPED fucking around there' verges on insanity.

Ed is new, and FP is not his baliwick. i think he's just reciting some talking points.

[Winston]

I find it extremely disturbing how many "anti-war" "non-interventionist" libertarians seem to think war and intervention are okay as long as TOP. MEN (e.g. not the USG) are doing it since that isn't really anti-war at all and they are opening themselves up to the "humanitarian" "smart war" interventionism.

[GILMORE]

re: This "Ed is new, and FP is not his baliwick. i think he's just reciting some talking points."

No - Ed has an M.A. in International Relations.

My bad.

That said - i still think his spin on how "US abandoning pretense of trying to prevent chaos in Libya" is a great thing because... uh, neighbors will bomb them now! is a little crazy and misguided.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 27 August 2014

LBJ-Edition

- Kennedy: This is the 'Creamsicle' jawns we love the mostest. I'm not sure what the real color-difference is between this thing and the crew-necked orange blouse we saw the other day, but this thing just goes full-nuclear and radiates on the TV screen in an extremely appealing way. Ron Paul's Halo is jealous of her effect. Banging. It remains the signature Kennedy outfit.

- Matt: Grey shirt(or is it blue) with the striped light-blue tie? Not bad at all. We tend to focus on Matt's shirt-tie pairings mainly because his variety of shirt-collars (with the exception of his Disco-Stew Red #) is effectively nil. Since conversation with Kmele on the issue seems to be non-existent, we'd propose Matt try out a white button-down oxford, and a blue spread-collar to mix things up a little.

- Kmele: We recall there being 2 previous type of bow-tie showings: a red one with blue shirt and navy jacket, which we rejected as 'corny' (the look said, "Chuck-E-Cheese Host'), and a second, which I think was closer to this = pretty dope. For some reason the match with the jacket is stronger, and it looks 'higher end - as though this is 'Ambassador Kmele'. We would buy him a martini and it would totally not be gay. It would be *respect*.

Wado

[Rhywun]

I was waiting for your opinion on her orange smock.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

She's going deer hunting after the show.

[Winston]

Is she going to play Russian Roulette with Christopher Walken?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Put five in the chamber.

[GILMORE]

This was first called "Cabelas line of Shogun-Friendly Evening Wear"

This was the thing that prompted the very first 'attire review' because it was so amazingly garish and ballsy. i still dig it.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I personally don't like diamond point bowties, but it works with Kmele.

[GILMORE]

My reception has been jittery. I'm not even sure what that is? Are they the more narrow ones?

Bow ties are such an eccentricity i think of them purely in the holistic way rather than by themselves. Jeff Tucker, for instance, has the "crazy ass"/Infomercial kind of look with them which i reject entirely. Kmele's is more 'literary critic'. its slick.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Here.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Everyone hates Congress.

[Winston]

You Know Who Else wanted to get rid of the legislature?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

See what happens when you emasculate Europe by taking away their guns and armies?

[Winston]

You Know Who Else wanted Europeans to have no guns or armies?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The Bride of Frankenstein?

[Rev-Match]

...it's nukes...

Make sure it has a pointy tip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnQNWh4vqy4

[Fist of Etiquette]

So Kennedy is just now realizing what being a leftist means?

[Heroic Mulatto]

They need a One Minute's Love.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Kmele's a panda-hating asshole.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Panda's are vastly overrated. They're a species practically begging to be selected for extinction given their indolent mating habits and incredibly inefficient eating requirements.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I'll have you know that I resemble that remark!

[Rev-Match]

I don't know if that's right, but it SOUNDS right.

"Journalistic Research". What is it?

[Rhywun]

At least she admits when she's talking out of her ass.

[Rev-Match]

There is that. For a moment, I was just worried she was turning into a budding prog. (substitute 'sounds' for 'feels')

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

GIANT FEMALE PANDAS ARE MANIPULATIVE WENCHES THAT FAKE PREGNANCY SO THEY CAN ABDICATE RESPONSIBILITY AND HAVE A MAN TAKE CARE OF THEM. THEY ALSO WANT TO BE RAPED. //John and Sudden

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Okay, I like Paul more now.

[Rev-Match]

*throws doughnut* (and retrieves it. I'm not gona waste the thing)

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

Holy shit, Mercurio said something funny and smart. End days?

[Rhywun]

Sharpton is like every ex-smoker with a pulpit - i.e. an asshole.

Yeah, and that big head IS creepy.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Sharpton eighth circle of hell awaits...

Watching them drool over this opportunistic fraud is irritating.

I will never shop here again!

[GILMORE]

Little Feat.

RIP lowell george

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Now that's a stache.

[GILMORE]

Stossell: Interesting tie.

also, a good example of the kind of blue-on-blue combo that matt seems to never get right.

[Winston]

So crazy Mary is still around posting her hate of Rand Paul and love of Gary Johnson: http://reason.com/blog/2014/08.....cy#comment

[Rhywun]

Jesus, how many different handles is she using there?

[Rev-Match]

He's also a phony constitutionalist (like his dad) both promoting States Rights under the guise of Federalism.

Even if this were true (the sentiment being that they are "anti-rights"), it is entirely irrelevant. 1) They were/are both FEDERAL representatives. 2) They believe that the FEDERAL government was granted certain powers. 3) They believe that the rest of the powers remain with the States/People. 4) As FEDERAL representatives, it is logical to believe that they would not pursue power in areas in which the FEDERAL government was not granted power.
The only way you can come away with "they're ANTI-rights!" is if you believe that: 1) the federal gov't should have complete reign over the states 2) the states would devolve into lawless chaos and infinite tyranny w/o the fed. gov't and 3) the fed. gov't is a benevolent protector of rights/freedom. (all of which are not true)

[GILMORE]

GET OFF STOSSELS LAWN!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

This guy is hilarious.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Made it ma! The TWO MINUTES OF HATE!

[GILMORE]

Bernie/Andrew = Nice suit-tie match!

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't recall swearing.

[GILMORE]

FoR THE RECORD, OUR RAPPERS ARE VERY CONTENT RICH

[Derpetologist]

How do they not notice the same half a dozen commentators keep showing up?

[Rhywun]

First time I have seen the hate - hilarious

[Heroic Mulatto]

They know their audience.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Serious
Derp
Fist
TIT

NO GILMORE!!!!!!

[GILMORE]

I am mortified, devastated, humiliated, gutted....

meh. Although! i think i had a few nasty zingers over the past month. I need to highlight them better.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I am the cusp of catching you.

[GILMORE]

Good! Let the hate flow through you. Soon you will join me at the Emperor's side.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kennedy is in denial about her interruption syndrome.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yeah, why doesn't someone give her, say, old Firing Line tapes?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

She thinks we're complaining about moving the show along when we're asking to let the guests - ANY FUCKING GUEST - finish their thoughts or arguments.

[GILMORE]

its one of those "God help me to change the things I can, and accept the things I cannot"

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

AIEEE!! dobbs!

[Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)]

End of show, and we didn't break 100 comments. WTF?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yeah, this is an abortion of a thread.

[Rhywun]

NO! That's my cue to exit.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Notorious made in 100.

I'm 101.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Next time talk about Israel. The responses to Kmele should be good for 10 more comments.

[Heroic Mulatto]

They didn't use mine.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, the show isn't even live.

[Tim]

My 8 year old wouldn't go to bed so I put The Independents on and he gave up in less than five minutes.