Police Abuse

Police Officer: 'if you don't want to get shot…just do what I tell you.'

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Sunil Dutta
Colorado Technical University

"If you don't want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground," warns Officer Sunil Dutta of the Los Angeles Police Department, "just do what I tell you."

The thing is, Officer Dutta (pictured) is also an Adjunct Professor of Homeland Security and Criminal Justice at Colorado Technical University. And he uttered those words not in the heat of the moment, but in an opinion piece in the Washington Post responding to widespread criticism of police attitudes and tactics currently on display in Ferguson, Missouri, but increasingly common nationwide.

Dutta continues:

Don't argue with me, don't call me names, don't tell me that I can't stop you, don't say I'm a racist pig, don't threaten that you'll sue me and take away my badge. Don't scream at me that you pay my salary, and don't even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

Dutta actually comes off as a reasonable law enforcement officer, when compared to some of his colleagues who can be found venting on police-only bulletin boards or referring to Ferguson protesters as "fucking animals." Dutta acknowledges that police can abuse their authority, saying "When it comes to police misconduct, I side with the ACLU: Having worked as an internal affairs investigator, I know that some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior; sometimes they behave like criminals themselves."

He endorses the use of body cameras and dashcams to record interactions between police and the public. He counsels, "you don't have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there's no warrant."

And yet he demands unresisting submission to police without argument or even legal protest. Just how do you "refuse consent to search your car or home" without running afoul of the no-nos Dutta warns may get you "shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground"?

Remember, this is a thoughtful police officer, with a PhD., who teaches criminal justice.

Maybe Matthew Worden, an Enfield, Connecticut, police officer, was being thoughtful when he beat the living shit out of Mark Maher earlier this year. That incident begaan when Maher asked Worden why another person was being detained.

Worden's own department thought the officer's actions were over the top, but the state's attorney declined to seek arrest or prosecution.

Militarized police
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The last week has seen an enormous and justifiable focus on the militarization of police departments in this country, including tactics and equipment. Jungle camouflage, assault rifles, and armored personnel carriers have been part of an intentionally intimidating show of force in Ferguson, Missouri—the sort of display that has become all too common throughout the country.

But you don't have to have an armored vehicle to be a jerk and a danger to the public. If you have the attitude that you are owed deference and instant obedience by the people around you, and that you are justified in using violence against them if they don't comply, we already have a problem. That's especially true if official institutions back you up, which they do.

If you really think that everybody else should "just do what I tell you," you're wearing the wrong uniform in the wrong country. And if you really can't function with some give and take—a few nasty names, a little argument—of the sort that people in all sorts of jobs put up with every damned day, do us all a favor: quit.

The law enforcement problem in this country goes well beyond boys with toys. It's much deeper, and needs to be torn out by the roots.

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  1. How is this remotely consistent with a free society? And if cops can do anything they want without serious consequences, why would other government officials behave any differently?

    I thought it was all about the rule of law, not the rule of men. . .even men wearing uniforms.

    1. I thought it was all about the rule of law, not the rule of men

      And that’s where you/we are misguided. For them, it’s about the rule of them. The Rule of Law has long since left the building.

      1. You know the score, pal. You’re not cop, you’re little people.

        1. +1 paper unicorn

          1. There can be no rule of law where the administration of the same is monopolized.

            You miniarchists just don’t want to let go of your cognitive dissonance. Almost everything the government touches it screws up; yet, when it comes to dispute resolution, anything other than monopoly would result in chaos.

            How can you think that way?

            1. Show me a stable anarchy.

              I aint the one with cognitive dissonance.

              And who brought up monopoly?

              1. Show me a stable government. Stability is not a virtue.

                1. Come on now, even with all of her faults, America is still more stable than Somalia.

              2. Show me a stable anarchy.

                Show me anarchy, and I’ll show you a power vacuum.

                If libertopia is 95% pipe dream, anarchy is 110% solid gold pipe dream.

                Even wolves have power structures and social mores.

            2. Is your horn able to blow any other notes? I’m tired of this tune.

            3. Wouldn’t a militia solve the monopoly of force conundrum?

              (Serious question I’ve yet to have answered.)

              1. It would, which is why one is never permitted to form. Look what happened the last time.

              2. That depends.

                Who trains the militia in weapons, self defense and civil/criminal law? Who does the militia answer to in a Ferguson situation?

                And because they’d be another force with guns, what do we do if the militia doesn’t FEEL like answering to anyone in a Ferguson situation?

                Until these questions are answered, NO. A militia wouldn’t solve a thing.

              3. “Wouldn’t a militia solve the monopoly of force conundrum?”

                this seems semantic and like a distinction without a difference.

                sure, add a second source of anyhting, and it’s not a monopoly.

                but that does not mean it is better.

                i can raise my own militia too and wield it like a mexican drug lord.

                that breaks a monopoly, but are you better off living near it?

                i doubt you would feel that way.

                who is going to control a militia? how is it accountable? are we just looking at mob rule here?

                i’m not really sure what having a milita adds to simply having an armed populace.

                what is it you hope a militia would achieve?

      2. Not to be picky, but isn’t the Rule of Law and the Rule of Men often a distinction without a difference? Especially if by, “Rule of Law”, we mean democratically established laws?

        I suppose ethical human behavior, NAP, self ownership, freedom to associate can sometimes overlap the Rule of Law (Bill of Rights), but I’m coming to the understanding they are far from the same.

        1. The main distinction between the two is your ability to know in advance whether or not you’ll be shot for doing something. Because for all their flaws, democratically established laws are written on paper.

          Nowadays, with powerful regulatory agencies having rulemaking authority, and with cops having a license to kill, “I’m not breaking any laws” ceases to have meaning.

          1. For real.

            Today the the thought “I’m not breaking any laws” is immediately followed by “am I?”

            1. Hell, these days it’s just “I wonder what law I’m breaking right now?”

          2. The main distinction between the two is your ability to know in advance whether or not you’ll be shot for doing something

            You can’t know that in advance as far as interactions with cops are concerned; the official criteria mean that they have a legal right to use deadly force against you even in situations where you are unarmed and innocent.

            Nowadays, with powerful regulatory agencies having rulemaking authority, and with cops having a license to kill, “I’m not breaking any laws” ceases to have meaning.

            There is no “nowadays” about it; this has always been the rule for the relationship between police and citizens, and it’s basically the same in most countries. In fact, until 1985, police could shoot you for running away if they suspected you of any felony, not just a violent felony, but SCOTUS limited that. Killings by police don’t seem to have increased or decreased significantly over the past several decades either.

            I’m not saying the status quo is good, but people will not take you seriously if you start debates about police powers without having your facts straight.

          3. In 99% of any police-citizen interactions, you will not be shot or beaten unless you threaten a police officer. A police officer has wide latitude when it comes to protecting himself and others from threats or actual action. If you disobey a police officer when he requests that you do something and you do not explain he can easily perceive that your lack of cooperation means that you intend to harm him or others or that you are covering up a criminal act. For example, I advise you not to put your hands in your jacket pocket and tell him that you are not breaking any laws after an officer requests that you to keep your hands where he can see them. Or that you move towards him, even with your hands in the air, telling him that you are not breaking any laws, after he tells you to stop. Police have a tough, dangerous job. They are trying to protect us from people who are dangerous to everyone in society. Some cops are bad. No doubt about that. But the vast majority are not and to stereotype them as such hurts us all.

        2. To some extent, the “Rule of Law” is a prerequisite for concepts like equal justice and individual rights.

          The “Rule of Law” essentially means that the law is a fixed thing that is written down, not something that changes depending on the whims of people in power. Minus that concept, there could never be anything such as “right” or “equal justice”.

          1. Agreed. Except I think rights aren’t up to the whims of whoever wields pitical power.

          2. Not to be obtuse, but if ten people agree that they all have a right to their own person and labors, the right to be secure in their person and labor does not exist without ink on paper? The ink on the paper makes the right a reality and the agreement between the persons without ink on paper is not a reality? The ink and paper seem an odd threshold for an idea being a ‘real’ idea or not.

            If a neighboring tribe of ten people don’t also agree and sign on to the paper version, does the right not exist?

          3. i think we run into two separate issues here.

            rule of law implies that we have laws that are known and knowable that are equally applied to all.

            but rule of law is nothing like synonymous with “just”, “ethical”, or even “good”.

            we can have tyrannical laws.

            a law that says “no speaking against the government” could be known and apply to everyone, but it’s not a law most would like to live under.

            to make such a system just, it must confine itself to protecting the natural rights of individuals (and giving them primacy) and to enforcing voluntary contracts.

            once it steps beyond such a role, it begins to take liberty and to impose tyranny of the majority onto others.

            so, without rule of law, it’s difficult to protect rights in a predictable fashion, but that is not a reason to support ALL rule of law.

            does that make sense?

            1. So then, nothing like what we now?

              Makes sense, especially the “known and knowable” and ethical (conforming with natural rights) is the key starting place and is not the way I hear most people use the term ‘rule of law’ in argument. I typically hear Rule of Law mentioned in context of an appeal to authority argument. Maybe appeal to authority is the wrong fallacy, perhaps a circular fallacy (justice is achieved through the law, therefore the rule of law is just). Somehow affirming itself without your two qualifiers. IOW, It’s the rule of law, comply. You will respect my authority! That kind of hogwash is what I often think is being pitched.

    2. Cops can’t “do anything they want”. If they abuse their power, there are serious consequences. But a police stop isn’t the place to argue about what the police officer is doing wrong, let alone to debate constitutional issues. Obey during the police stop, then get a lawyer afterwards.

      Other government officials generally don’t have a gun and don’t have a right to use deadly force, so feel free to argue with them. You may discover, though, that they have other ways of making your life miserable, so use some prudence there as well.

      Now, I’m all for changing these things; but as long as this is the law of the land (and it is), you’re a fool if you don’t behave accordingly.

      1. “Cops can’t “do anything they want”. If they abuse their power, there are serious consequences.”

        you forgot the /sarc tag.

      2. You don’t even need a lawyer.
        Just make a mental note of the badge number – they’re usually not too long – and go file a complaint with his/her department.
        And they do suffer consequences, we just don’t hear about it too often.
        From one who’s been there.

      3. Serious consequences like paid leave and the taxpayer paying a settlement?

    3. You do realize that those laws are passed by the people you elect, right?
      Police are the lowest rung of government, subject to control by the most local of officials.
      Her’s an idea – run for office, yourself, on a “I’m gonna get rid of all the cops” platform. You’ll be a shoe-in.

    4. They (the police) can’t do anything they want. People they think otherwise don’t follow things too closely.

    5. “I am the Law.”

      Judge Dredd. And your modern day police officer.

  2. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

    “But dad, none of the other kids make me give them a reach around while fucking them in the ass!”

    1. Who is the fucker and who the fuckee in this scenario?

    2. Yeah, unless they take you to a hospital for a series of enemas and x-rays.

      1. Surely based on a police officer hunch the government would never be able to force a person to have an enema? Americans would not stand for it! Unless its for the drug war, or something else like an illegal Lemonade stand. ‘We see five fresh lemons, where is the sixth? We will find out’

        1. I’ve seen at least two news stories of a fellow getting xrayed, anally probed by finger and by device, all through court order with nothing being found. One of the incidents quoted this excuse: “He kept clenching his butt.”

          1. Any interaction with a state enforcer these days should cause one’s pucker to tighten up.

  3. If you really think that everybody else should “just do what I tell you,” you’re wearing the wrong uniform in the wrong country.

    Given what we know and what the general public accepts about policing, it’s pretty clear that he’s wearing the correct uniform in the correct country.

    1. Exactly this. Given recent history, I’d think that anyone who just wanted people to shut up and obey their orders would find themselves ideally suited for the work of a modern law enforcement officer.

  4. Fuck off, slaver.

    The unfortunate utility of that response has not waned in the time I have read or commented here at H&R…

    1. Your welcome. Although, technically you should be thinking L Brooks, but he doesnt post anymore.

      1. I thank he still posts some, but he’s just ‘late’.

  5. What this idiot doesn’t understand is that if everyone obeyed and meekly submitted, we wouldn’t need to hire cops. The whole point of hiring cops and paying them and training them and such is to have some one who can deal with the people who don’t submit and are generally a pain in the ass.

    When this clown says “just submit”, what he is really saying is “I don’t know how to do my job’. His job is to deal with people who don’t submit in a humane and respectful way. As I have said many times on here, if we just wanted someone to go around and shoot people, we could get someone to do that for free. We pay and train cops because we expect better than that.

    This entire editorial is just one long “why does being a cop have to be so hard and require you to deal with such nasty people.” That is really all it is. Of course it is stupid to tell a cop to fuck off or take a swing at one. But some people are just stupid. If they weren’t, we wouldn’t need cops. So, be nice or I will shoot you, is wrong answer you fucking retard.

    1. Here’s the thing–cops should, quite regularly, have to walk away from situations where they don’t have the legal authority to use force (even implied force) to compel cooperation. That’s certainly still on the books and in the black-letter law, yet does this happen at all anymore. . .at least, without a camera rolling (and, of course, sometimes even then)?

      1. Yes they should. That is why being a cop is just a hard job. I will freely admit I am far too high strung and have far too bad of a temper to ever be a cop. I couldn’t deal with those people all day without breaking someone’s skull. For this reason I have no business being a cop, because the job of being a cop means dealing with such people and only resorting to violence as a last resort.

        This guy, and nearly every other cop it seems, doesn’t get that. They think their job is to go around and bust heads. If that is the case, then we need to go to volunteer police departments since there is no shortage of people willing to go around and break skulls for free.

      2. Some commenter here once made the (clever, I think) suggestion that cops should be discharged from the force if they ever fire their weapon on duty. Even if it was justified. Stopped an active shooter, saved a bunch of lives? Congratulations, you’re a hero, here’s your medal and your separation notice. Good luck out there. It would certainly make a lot of those “heroes in blue” think twice about using lethal force so often.

        1. I don’t think that’s necessary or a very good idea. Europe has orders of magnitude fewer shots fired than America without that policy. Lets find out how.

          1. Lets find out how.

            Maybe Europe has orders of magnitude fewer roided up assholes with anger management issues.

            1. I wish there was some way to upvote comments here.

              1. +1

                1. Annnd that’s what I get for not refreshing the page before posting a comment.

              2. How would this turn out in the USSA?

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnkbdUJzJAk

            2. Maybe Europeans have lost any understanding of what Liberty is about.

            3. I’m living in Germany right now. I’ve spoken w/ my German neighbors about this exactly. Some of it is cultural; Germans are just raised more deferential to authority (even the current American statist culture is far more individualistic than your average German). But a good bit of it is that the Poleizi speak softly, carry a big stick, and most importantly know how to use it.

              Poleizi don’t patrol in vehicles. They patrol on foot. They are in pairs. They are friendly and polite (just don’t use “du” when speaking with them!). They are fit. They are trained that their firearm is to be used as a last resort. They don’t do “petty” enforcement. Germans are big on speed and red light cameras. Unless they’re specifically enforcing traffic laws in an area (think construction zones) they won’t pull you over; if you’re speeding a camera will get you soon enough.

              The Germans use their firearms less often because they have less reason to. They do fewer traffic stops. On foot they are capable of catching you running, so they don’t need to shoot. And they are very capable of beating you to a pulp if you do run and resist.

              1. Yes, that’s a good point: there are far fewer traffic stops in Europe, so far fewer opportunities for disagreements with police. Instead, the registered owner of a vehicle is simply presumed to be responsible for any traffic violation that a cop writes down. Traffic tickets come in the mail, often weeks after the supposed infraction. Good luck trying to defend yourself against that. I fail to see how that system is any better than the US system, except that it gives even more leeway for arbitrary police actions.

            4. +1

            5. +1,000,000,000

          2. The policy in Europe is not significantly different from the US: police can use deadly force in self defense, to stop you if they think you are a danger to others, and to stop suspects from running away.

            Police in Europe shoot fewer people because people actually comply; compliance with police is taught in schools, and people understand that they risk injury or death if they don’t.

            I think it’s good that Americans are generally more rebellious and disrespectful of authority. But there is a flipside: some people get carried away and get themselves killed.

      3. Most police have the attitude that they have to “win” a situation. And if they ever “lose” one, it only makes them more competitive in subsequent ones.

        The “just submit” attitude comes from that exact mindset. I don’t know what kind of bullshit an officer has to go through should he or she “lose” an interaction, but they want easy “wins” so their job is easier.

        1. Most police seem to relish the conflict. They wait for the difficult stops.

          You think if you go to any station house in America you’re going to hear cops swapping stories about all the compliant, boring stops they made? Nope. They’re bragging about their big wins with difficult people.

          They claim they’re pissed when somebody refuses to submit, but in reality they’re just happy that they got somebody to take the bait.

        2. +1

          Exactly. Sometimes things are a draw, no contest, two grumpy people, two wrong people, two hard headed people, just stepping away from the damn table. Why must their be a victor and vanquished? It goes contrary to a voluntary society and voluntary interactions.

        3. The profession of “peace officer” has become just another lifetime meal ticket for out of work blue collar types with anger management issues.

          (Myself being a white collar underemployed type, I stick to putting pins into voodoo dolls and posting replies on Reason.)

          1. “Myself being…?” What kind of grammar is that?

            1. LOL, quite right!

              I’ll claim the fifth on that, that being what I was drinking from at the moment most likely.

          2. Unless you’re Fire Police, there is no such thing as a “peace officer” anymore. Not for the last 50 years.

      4. Cops should also be trained to subdue an unarmed suspect without shooting him or beating him to death, or to call for backup if that is too difficult.

        1. To be in a position to physically subdue a person who resists arrest (assume a lawful arrest), you need two people because someone has to protect the cop doing the arrest.

          And, let’s face it, how many cops are capable of chasing down someone, and they physically subduing them without using excessive force? When your standard is a 10 minute mile in workout clothes you’re not going to attract people whose fitness is going to make them capable of a short distance sprint followed by 60 seconds of hand-to-hand. They’re going to shoot.

          1. Scenes of arrests in Ferguson and at other places of protest suggest that at least three officers are required to subdue a 150-pound journalist. One of these will kneel on the resistant’s head, pressing it into the gravel or the cement; two will be fumbling with the plastic ties, each getting in the way of the other; all three bellowing “you’re resisting!” Not counted are the upright officers kicking the smug little liberal prick. Manliness 21st century style on display.

      5. Cops have legal authority to use either force or deadly force in many situations even against innocent people. In addition, they are legally protected in a wide range of situations if they get it wrong. There are few situations that they actually have to walk away from. That is the law. Few officers get convicted because the law is so permissive and they are complying with it such as it is.

        It’s impossible to have a reasonable political discussion about how to improve things if you start off with wrong assumptions about what the law is.

        1. Interesting. Would you please cite some of the states and statutes that make it lawful for police to kill innocent people. That is a development in the jurisprudence of the American republic that demands more study.

          1. It’s not a “development”, it’s always been that way. Only a court can determine whether someone is actually guilty or innocent. Police officers carrying out their duties, as well as private individuals acting in self-defense, therefore can only act on reasonable beliefs in their use of deadly force, and reasonable beliefs are sometimes wrong.

            Many successful acts of self-defense involve a counterfactual, so it is actually impossible in principle to determine actual guilt or innocence of the person killed.

  6. Don’t taze me bro!

  7. The people are not worthy of the police.

    1. The police need to get another population.

      1. That explains why they’re trying to get rid of the current one.

      2. Women. No more male cops.

        1. Have you SEEN woman during a conflict? You can expect 1 of 3 scenarios:

          1- *Turns into a shrieking, hair-pulling lunatic*

          2- *Idiotically hits someone twice her size, then screams for help when he responds*

          3- *Panicked gunfire*

        2. Women cops would be a sure way to see cops shoot a lot more people. Since women are almost never a physical match for a man, an all woman police force would have no option but to shoot when confronted with a belligerent man.

          1. Women cops are good in some situations. In domestic disputes, there is often an alpha male vibe that runs amok. Sometimes female cops work to difuse that type of situation without zip ties and multiple contusions.

        3. You’ve read God Emperor of Dune then?

          “The Duncans always think it odd that I choose women for combat forces, but my Fish Speakers are a temporary army in every sense. While they can be violent and vicious, women are profoundly different from men in their dedication to battle. The cradle of genesis ultimately predisposes them to behavior more protective of life. They have proved to be the best keepers of the Golden Path. I reinforce this in my design for their training. They are set aside for a time from ordinary routines. I give them special sharings which they can look back upon with pleasure for the rest of their lives. They come of age in the company of their sisters in preparation for events more profound. What you share in such companionship always prepares you for greater things. The haze of nostalgia covers their days among their sisters, making those days into something different than they were. That’s the way today changes history. All contemporaries do not inhabit the same time. The past is always changing, but few realize it.”
          -The Stolen Journals

          1. It might work if we had a human/sandworm with total prescience.

            1. Can we think of any political figures that look like a human/sandworm?

  8. God that guy just looks like a roided out prick-dick pig bitch motherfucker that can go from smarmy to 11.5 with just one question of his authority.

    1. Its the thick neck and the smug self assured grin. There are a lot of punchable faces out there and this guy has one of them.

      1. That’s not a thick neck, that’s just a fat neck and a double chin.

        1. Yes, you are correct.

          1. There’s something disturbing about a fat guy with this kind of attitude. I guarantee you at least some of his contempt for civilian scum is just projected self-loathing.

        2. Fuck, you guys are good. I didn’t even see a neck.

    2. Wow, Love that line.

    3. God that guy just looks like a roided out prick-dick pig bitch motherfucker that can go from smarmy to 11.5 with just one question of his authority.

      “roided out”?!?!? WTF?!?!? This dude doesn’t look like he would know which end of the syringe to stick in himself. He looks like the average Joe.

  9. I can’t even count how many times I withstood curses, screaming tantrums, aggressive and menacing encroachments on my safety zone, and outright challenges to my authority

    Dear God, you guys…a challenge to his authority! Oh the horror!

    Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary

    “Don’t use your freedom of speech or I will beat you”. Hi kids, can you say “Section 1982”? I knew you could!

    Finally, cops are legally prohibited from using excessive force: The moment a suspect submits and stops resisting, the officers must cease use of force.

    Oh well thank goodness for that. You see guys, they can’t be using excessive force; it’s against the law!

    This guy is the essence of pigitude.

    1. I think you mean Section 1983. Or Catch-22.

      1. Sec. 1982 is a double-secret section allocated to the Censor.

        1. Oh, well, then I retract my correction.

    2. Sadly the point of the Pig’s article appears to be let the cops violate your rights, then complain after-the-fact. What this sadly ignores is that I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO LET THE FUCKING COPS VIOLATE MY RIGHTS. Once they are violated, they can’t be unviolated.

      More pointedly, the Pig thinks that if we just file complaints or ask for a supervisor, then the situation will be remedied after-the-fact. Aside from the fact that you can’t un-violate me, basic human experience shows that filing a complaint against an officer is about as effective as farting in the wind. Cops don’t hold cops accountable. But, I suppose that’s the point. Cops want to violate our rights and have our only recourse be to “file a complaint” after which, nothing else will happen. Good gig for the cops, huh?

      1. Yup, which is why articles like this only serve to fan the flames. I hope the phone system at LAPD internal affairs is undergoing a melt-down from all the phone calls.

      2. You have made the point that should have been made as Comment #1.

    3. The bar seems so high, “non-excessive force”, how about if a JBT has to use force at all it should be a huge deal. I get through my entire day just fine and never have to use force, excessive or otherwise. Surprise, I don’t always get my way.

  10. He counsels, “you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant.”

    Yeah, just don’t be surprised if you get your ass kicked for it, and then the cop does the search anyway. Then when you get to look at the report, it says you consented to the search before attacking the officer for no apparent reason.

    1. Agreed.
      The pigs always find a way to turn it around in their favor.

  11. COMPLY. OBEY. THE INNOCENT HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR.

    1. How would this editorial have been any different if it had been written by Warty as he came at you with his sword unsheathed?

      “Struggling will only make it worse and vastly increase my pleasure.”

      Isn’t that really all this guy is saying?

      1. According to Deadspin, that’s what the Wartmeister says to Epi’s mother.

        1. According to Epi’s Mom, that’s how she likes it.

  12. It’s coming.

    1. I’ll be coming when this guy gets shot by a cop because he reached for his wallet.

  13. At what point does law enforcement begin to “radicalize” the American public? I mean, police in this country do things that we find unacceptable behavior in soldiers abroad. Think about the occupation of Iraq, and imagine how the media would react if a Marine emptied a mag into an unarmed Iraqi teenager and then the entire Corps started acting shifty. I mean, Christ, Georgia cops threw a grenade at a goddamn baby! How bad does shit have to get before non-cops and “good cops” start putting the fear of God into the bad actors in law enforcement?

    1. Think about the occupation of Iraq, and imagine how the media would react if a Marine emptied a mag into an unarmed Iraqi teenager and then the entire Corps started acting shifty.

      See, the difference is that shit did/does happen in Iraq, and still nobody cares.

    2. How bad does shit have to get before non-cops and “good cops” start putting the fear of God into the bad actors in law enforcement?

      There are no “good cops.” If there were, then they’d do something about bad cops.

    3. Probably the point when all police procedural shows go off the air and there’s no more belief that the cops are angels who only hurt the bad guys.

      1. Those fucking police procedural shows. They even glorify “bending the rules” to get the bad guys. I’ve even found myself rooting for the pigs in some of those cases on those stupid shows.

        I’ve quit watching them. Bad for mental health.

        1. I had to stop watching X-Files reruns after coming to the conclusion that Mulder was the villain due to his habit of breaking into every house he came across.

        2. They’re all the same – the cops are ALL on the side of the angels, and everyone they arrest is a Bad Person who deserves it.

          Real life is not even close.

        3. I used to religiously watch all those shows. Law & Order, Hawaii 5-0, CSI… all of them.

          I can’t do it anymore.

          And this stuff goes all the way back in these shows. Even back to the Dragnet radio drama. Friday always worked without a warrant, the cops were never wrong, they never got the wrong guy.

          1. We need a return to Perry Mason being the good guy.

          2. Remember the one episode of Dragnet where Friday was about to get boned by Internal Affairs because they couldn’t find the bullet that was shot at him?

    4. I think we’re at that point wwhorton. You can’t even buy .22 ammo anywhere due to stockpiling. And that’s not because people are scared of terrorists. It’s because they’re afraid of a mass population round up by guys like Dutta.

      1. I would very much like to believe that, but virtually all of the comments I’ve seen on Ferguson everywhere but here take up the theme “how can everyone be so mean to those poor cops? They’ve already explained themselves! What the hell is wrong with black people?”

      2. We are nowhere near the point yet. The gestapo was only effective because a good portion of Germans thought it proper to report their neighbor for being Jewish or Communist or charging high prices or bad-mouthing the local gauleiter. And the rest kept their mouths shut and didn’t complain because, hey, nobody had fingered them to the cops yet and, gosh, thank God there were strong men in uniform willing to punish those identified as threats to our society.

  14. Just this morning a motorcycle cop was shooting radar on the triangle of a freeway on ramp. Finds a target and takes off. Right into the middle of traffic trying to merge on.

    Then he tailgates the cars with his lights going trying to make headway. And by tailgate, I mean he would be sitting in the front seat if they tapped the brakes, like if they were trying to move over.

    Finally he catches up to the car and they both immediately pull over through two lanes of traffic and everyone on the right lane suddenly slow down for this, almost causing yet another pileup.

    If you just about caused three accidents trying to punish someone for going maybe 10 over, you’re fucking wrong.

    1. But think of all the tickets for careless driving he could give out as a result of the accidents! More revenue for the state.

      (Plus Paul Krugman would tell you about how much good the repair work would do for the local economy)

      1. Careless driving? Reminds me. About a mile away another cop plowed into the back of someone several years ago while the cop was screwing around with his data terminal instead of watching the road. First, they blamed the lead vehicle for stopping suddenly. Then the PD said it was under investigation. And nothing else happened, as expected.

        1. Yet, according to the safe-driving courses one must take to keep from getting a “point” on your license for a ticket, we are told that it is always the fault of the driver behind the other driver – that you must use the 2 second rule so that you have time to stop.

          1. I’ve been rear-ended by a cop who was tailgating, obviously intending to pull me over. We looked over the damage and not seeing any, he couldn’t get out of there fast enough.

        2. About a mile away another cop plowed into the back of someone several years ago while the cop was screwing around with his data terminal instead of watching the road.

          Was this in or around Prince Georges County, MD?

        3. Even better was the clown car that ran a stop sign and t-boned another car. They charged the woman driving that care with DUI.

          There are days when the urge to start taking down these tyrants in blue is almost overwhelming.

    2. For once, following the Russian lead makes loads of sense–dashboard cams for everyone.

      1. Got mine a month ago – love it.

    3. I came *this* close to being T-boned and probably killed by a cop who decided to pull out from the median and pull over the guy speeding off ahead of me a couple years ago. I had to come to a complete stop in the fourth lane of a divided highway. He laughed as he drove off.

  15. I know that some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior; sometimes they behave like criminals themselves

    Would “behaving like criminals” be the unprofessional and arrogant behaviour you’re speaking of, as in, when they rape and rob and kill they are acting unprofessionally and behaving like criminals, but not actually being a criminal because wearing the badge of course “La loi, c’est moi”.

    1. Since being a criminal is defined by your behavior, behaving like a criminal means you are a criminal. So “behaving” is a useless and redundant modifier. He knows that some officers are criminals.

    2. I didn’t catch that when I read the article, thanks. Every word that guy mutters reveals his fascism.

  16. “If you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground,” warns Officer Sunil Dutta Supreme Commander Warty of the Los Angeles Police Department Doomcock Rape Dungeon Federation , “just do what I tell you.”

    Who wants to play a game of” Who said it? Cops or violent sex offenders? “

    1. Dammit.

    2. This could become my second favorite game, behind “Stormfront or Social Justice Warrior”

    3. Doomcock Rape Dungeon Federation

      That’s the ultimate garage metal band name.

  17. “If you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground,” warns Officer Sunil Dutta of the Los Angeles Police Department, “just do what I tell you.”

    Officer Dutta also finds that this is an extraordinarily effective method of getting laid. Who knew?

    1. The only way this juve turkey gets laid is when one of his students (of either sex) needs to pass his class.

      1. I think you just undercut Knarf’s rape joke.

  18. I was getting infuriated listening to Redeye Radio, trying to fall asleep last night. The hosts were on and on about Ferguson and related issues of “the militarized police – what are you talking about?” They’d love this guy.

    Cause if you’ve don’t nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Just a few bad apples. Cops whose life is LITERALLY ON THE LINE EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY [um, no, no it’s not].

    I had to change it to the sports channel, at which point I finally, mercifully fell asleep.

    1. He’s right, we shouldn’t let a few hundred thousand bad apples spoil the bunch.

  19. A friend of mine was recently graduated from the police academy. At the ceremony, there was much noble talk about public service, being on the side of the people, and that kind of thing.

    In his first couple months of being in the field (or whatever they call it), his worldview has shifted from an abstract liberal approach to total disdain for certain types of people. And actually it’s hard to blame him. He responds in a rural area and most of the people he encounters in his job are really trash. High off their asses, boasting about how they don’t have to work because of government assistance, just the dregs (mostly a white community, incidentally).

    So I don’t think it’s in the training that makes cops into assholes. I think it’s like with doctors: they spend all day encountering sick people, and thus can’t help but lecture to you about your diet. How to fix that? Discuss.

    1. Same here. A good friend became a sheriff’s deputy in mostly white and rural areas. Kind of a shame to see the shift in mentallity.

    2. Easy.

      Get rid of the cops and government assistance.

      1. Responses to such programs as Medicare can be at least two in number, the first being gratitude for assistance that provides an otherwise unaffordable cure, and second, a determination to game the system and feed at the trough. Medicare fraud, typically, is committed by doctors and private hospitals. The defrauding of social safety net programs typically is the practice of persons who have no financial need of the proceeds of fraud. An acquaintance – Jewish, and therefore part of the most successful ethnicities in America, annual income around $120,000, politically liberal – boasts to me of gaming the medical savings account feature of the tax law. Disgusting, but – again – typical.

    3. Wow. A friend of mine discovered teaching wasn’t really his thing about 2 years after graduation. He changed careers.

      Are you a defense attorney who can’t sleep at night because you’re stuck defending violent idiots all day who deserve to be locked up? Change careers.

      1. Did your defense attorney quit because he felt bad about defending you? Better call Saul!

    4. Legalize drugs, end public welfare, and learn to identify the difference between public statements at a police academy graduation and the actual training police receive. Admittedly, one of those suggestions is for a more specific audience than the other two.

    5. boasting about how they don’t have to work because of government assistance

      I thought that was your kind of person? Or alternatively, that person doesn’t exist in progtopia. Which is it again?

      1. I am not sure who has the “Tony” account today, but they have not stuck to the previous script at all.

        1. That’s why I always refer to them as “the Tonys”.

          1. Speaking of a Tony, yesterday was the 47th anniversary of Tony C. being beaned by the Angels’ Jack Hamilton.

            There are many astute baseball fans / observers who argue that Tony C. was well on his way to 714 before the beaning.

      2. Sure they exist. I just don’t give a shit in formulating my large-scale policy preferences, because I’m not interested in prying into the personal motivations of individuals like a Sunday school spinster. That’s your territory.

        1. Right, because your policy preferences are not meant to actually help any people other than some imagined elite class. Telling others that your policies will help the poor is just a distraction.

        2. Hahahahahahaha.

          Your whole schtick is about enforcing YOUR morality on other people.

          1. If you insist, but the same is true for everyone else including you then. My morality leaves a lot fewer starving people in its wake.

            1. The people of North Korea would like to say hello.

    6. My dad spent 20+ years prosecuting child pornography and bank fraud and it definitely colored his perception of people. As soon as he saw something he didn’t like in a person, it was all downhill from there.

      He saw all the numbers of immigrants his office was prosecuting first hand, so he has nothing but a negative opinion of Mexicans or any immigrant that may be illegal.

      I think that kind of work may encourage creating stereotypes, especially negative ones, and discourages judging people on an individual basis.

      1. I couldn’t do the child molester prosecutions for more than a year – I had to get out of that unit. 2 years later, I left the State’s Attorney for good. Not a good long term career to have.

    7. Great story bro! What a shame you made the entire thing up, just like you made up the story about how Bill Gates is a close friend of yours, and the one about you being a gay man living in Oklahoma, etcetera etcetera.

    8. I think it’s like with doctors: they spend all day encountering sick people, and thus can’t help but lecture to you about your diet.

      Not only that, but walk out of any hospital and you’ll find doctors smoking.

      Ultimately, the changes that alter us are a product of our own volition, and we become what we hate.

      1. Funny, the last thing my ex (who is a doctor) or her colleagues generally wanted to talk about after a day of dealing with sick people was anything to do with health or medicine. Not that they didn’t talk shop between themselves at times, but it was a small social foul. And the absolute last thing that my ex ever wanted was for a stranger to find out that she was a doctor.

    9. Tony|8.19.14 @ 1:03PM|#

      “In his first couple months of being in the field (or whatever they call it), his worldview has shifted from an abstract liberal approach to total disdain for certain types of people. And actually it’s hard to blame him. ”

      Yet you seemingly have no problem continuing to blame others wwith worldviews tainted by the reality of their lives that prove to them that the liberal world view of a liberal socialist utopia is nothing more than a pipedream of unicorn seekers.

      1. Being a right-minded liberal takes serious effort. It requires you to set aside prejudices and empathizing even with the worst among us. I never said it was easy. I have said that you guys latch onto your worldview precisely because it is easy.

        1. Might makes right is sooo super complex.

        2. No: It requires you to set aside contact with reality,

    10. Tony.. there is a good amount of truth to what you say. Most cops I have worked with (I worked with homeless populations for a few years), are pretty good guys. But almost every cop I have known personally, drank like a fish. I can understand that. It’s called self-medicating.

      I think one way to deal with it is by utilizing more neighborhood cops — ones who patrol the same beat every day, and actually know, and therefore, have some kind of stake in the community. That, along with increased, regular, “re-training” and such might help at least a little.

      That being said, some cops are just not cut out to be cops. One I met, in Oakland, CA, pulled two kids off the sidewalk, where they were riding their bicycles, and kept them in the back of his patrol car for about 20 minutes while he lectured them on various topics. Then he issued citations to the two kids, for not having their bicycles licensed. He then sent them home to their parents. The really sad thing is that Oakland did not have a requirement for licensing bicycles until four years later. I know this is the case, because I was one of the kids. I and my friend were riding to our school playground to play. Did I mention we were 11 years old? Did I mention this was Oakland, CA? Did I mention we were, and are, very, very white? First impressions DO count. A few years later, it was very, very easy to support the Black Panther Party in their “war” with the Oakland Police.

    11. You finally got your progressive society. Why are you complaining?

    12. It’s called human nature.

      How about we take money from rich people, make some laws banning police brutality, and then ignore the fact there is a problem.

      I have true to sum up your views from numerous post in three simple points. Feel free to now to differently make fun if the fact I watched Fox news at a waiting room today.

  20. I have a few rules in life – you treat me like shit, you’ll get the same in return. And that’s where many cops and other of the same ilk fall down – a little respect and understanding goes a long way.

  21. This is nothing more than an old fashioned honor culture. Face is all important. Too bad the notion of seppuku hasn’t made a comeback along with it.

    1. No, they don’t get out of it that easy.

  22. Good advice actually. Make sure to respect the cops’ authority while they’re kicking the shit out of you, if you don’t want to get killed.

  23. Don’t yell with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t photograph or record you, don’t say I’m a fucking animal, don’t threaten that you’ll shoot me and take away my freedom. Don’t scream at me that you can do any fucking thing you like, and don’t even think of aggressively arresting me, for doing nothing except exercising my rights. Most interactions with cops can be completed in seconds. How difficult is it for you to think to that long?

    There, fixed.

    1. This one actually makes sense. Maybe this is what he meant to write?

  24. Like Suthen said, their job is not to enforce the law. And it’s not to serve and protect either. It’s to make people comply. That’s it. As in obey. Right, wrong, legal, illegal, none of that matters. It’s rule of man. The law doesn’t matter a whit.

    1. Yep. My former buddy in his own words: “This job is about making people do as they are told.”

      I think that is what Dutta is saying here in about the same words.

    2. I wonder what would happen if an enterprising soul at a magnetic sign company started making “Submit Or Die” signs in the same font and color scheme found on LAPD patrol cars, and started covering up that “Protect and Serve” shit?

    3. True in fact whereas you might have meant it as true in effect. The first organized city police forces – Philadelphia and Boston – were created in the wake of the Panic of 1837 specifically as the agents of social control and not as detectors of what we think of as crimes, i.e., murder, burglary, robbery, rape, etc. The elites of that age feared an angry and assertive mob far more than they expected to be troubled by the lower classes knifing each other in tavern brawls.

  25. That a-hole’s article is an epic troll piece.

  26. “If you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground,” warns Officer Sunil Dutta of the Los Angeles Police Department, “just do what I tell you.”

    He neglected to mention getting choked out, anally probed, or raped with a broom handle.

    Slacker.

    1. He was being conciliatory. It’s obvious in the tone of his statement.

    2. “…getting choked out, anally probed, or raped with a broom handle.”

      No, that’s what happens when you DO comply.

  27. Ver. 2

    Don’t intimidate me because you can and lie about it later.
    Don’t rough me up for kicks and lie about it later.
    Don’t arrest me and lie about it later.
    Don’t beat me and lie about it later.
    Don’t kick and beat me into a coma and lie about it later.
    Don’t kill me and lie about it later.

    Most interactions with cops can be completed in seconds. How difficult is it for you to control yourself for that long?

  28. “just do what I tell you.”

    Bill Bratton says that’s what democracy is all about.

      1. I insist you try these sunglasses.

  29. While I am against police over-militarization, I always thought this was just intensified the problems with police. It’s not the primary problem. I’d rather have good cops with too many toys than bad cops without them.

    1. Of course you would, Captain Killmore.

      1. Cyto pops cognitive dissonance pills.

        1. Both of you are retarded.

          1. Neither of them wrote , I always thought this was just intensified the problems with police.

      2. What he says makes sense. There is nothing about a weapon or a military vehicle that makes it dangerous. It is the person using it that makes it dangerous.

        The problem with giving cops military equipment is that it is generally useless and a waste of money not that it will magically turn good cops into bad. A bad cop doesn’t need an AR 15 or a tank. A choke hold, a tazer or a handgun kills people just as dead.

        1. The problem with giving every small town police force its own SWAT team is that they eventually get the urge to use it and play soldier. Absent that they still might have to knock on the door, or get to know their community.

          1. Where I live most of the fuckers don’t even want to live in the same community they police. Often not even in the same county.

          2. One riot, one Ranger. Where is Chuck Norris when we need him?

    2. I’m going to have to agree with Cyto here.

      The problem of police militarization needs to be addressed because of the psychological aspects of possessing all that stuff. (The symbolism of objects affects people’s behavior.)

      The core problem is the feudalization of the police. In fact, it’s the problem with our government generally, but most obvious with law enforcement personnel.

      If we could change 2 then 1 stops being as significant (though it still is) a problem.

  30. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

    Wouldn’t a more appropriate question be, “Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it for an armed, supposedly trained, agent of the state, who does this for a living, to maintain some modicum of professionalism and accept that the person they’re stopping might nit be too happy about their interaction?”

    1. I’ll bet the average Taco Bell employee deals with more assholish behavior in a day than cops do. It’s amazing how they bear it without beating the shit out of people.

      It’s also amazing how mailmen, cable guys, garbage men, etc all manage to go about their days without gunning down dogs.

      1. We should start having tow truck drivers train police in how to deal with pissed off people.

  31. From Sunil Dutta’s (self-authored, presumably) Wikipedia entry: After spending some time working as a researcher and completing his doctorate in biology, he became disillusioned with science and left academia. IOW, screw evidence and testing, I want my conclusions supported by force. He is a child in a fat adult’s body.

    1. he became disillusioned with science and left academia

      In my mind this translates to “he couldn’t cut it.”

      1. In reality it translates to “he couldn’t cut it.” It’s only in Sunil’s mind that it translates to anything else.

  32. This actually sounds like a cop’s version of Chris Rock’s advice on How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU (Most of which, by the way, is pretty much just common sense.)

  33. “Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary”

    Yeah, they get their money from the Salary Fairy.

  34. This gut is why cops shouldnt be allowed to carry.

    1. Gut being the perfect typo in this case.

  35. So now the pushback from the uber-cop-state begins.

    It’s good that Ferguson has put this issue on the front burner – I hope some Republicans (I’m looking at YOU, Rand Paul) and Democrats who actually care about civil liberties will sponsor some legislation to stop this totalitarian treadmill we’re on.

    Otherwise we’re doomed.

    1. He’s looking back at you:

      http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

      OK, so no legislation yet, but his words are a hell of a lot stronger than Chocolate Nixon’s.

  36. “If you have the attitude that you are owed deference and instant obediance by the people around you, and that you are justified in using violence against them if they don’t comply, we already have a problem. That’s especially true if official institutions back you up, which they do.

    If you really think that everybody else should “just do what I tell you,” you’re wearing the wrong uniform in the wrong country. And if you really can’t function with some give and take?a few nasty names, a little argument?of the sort that people in all sorts of jobs put up with every damned day, do us all a favor: quit.

    The law enforcement problem in this country goes well beyond boys with toys. It’s much deeper, and needs to be torn out by the roots.”

    Tuccille for the win.

    1. +1

      Yes, great article by Tuccille. Elegantly displayed hypocrisy.

  37. “When it comes to police misconduct, I side with the ACLU: Having worked as an internal affairs investigator, I know that some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior; sometimes they behave like criminals themselves.”

    *consults Magic 8-Ball*

    AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED.

    1. Does Dutta see any contradiction with that statement and his other statement quoted in the article,

      “Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?”

      Basically, other people besides himself should perform their duties professionally and without arrogance, but since he is a superior person he can do it?

  38. Awesome Alt-Text as usual.

  39. So, the Professoriate is now firmly entrenched in the Fascist Camp.

  40. I thought this was the perfect comment that quickly exposes Dutta’s argument for what it is:

    Keith Kaplan
    10:11 AM GMT-0400

    If a cop is violating your rights, they ceased acting within the bounds of the law. Ceasing to resist might make it be over sooner, but that can equally be said about a rape, an assault by a criminal or any other illegal act.

    1. With a rape or assault, if you want to live, you may well have to comply as well.

      Unlike a rape or assault, where you know when it’s happening that it is illegal, when a cop points a gun at you or detains you, you don’t even have enough information to tell whether he is acting lawfully. He can do all those things to you even in situations where you are completely innocent.

  41. And don’t be surprised when you cost your department hundreds of thousands or millions in damages.

  42. No details yet, but it looks like there’s been a police-involved shooting near Ferguson. This will surely end well.

    Antonio French ?@AntonioFrench 16m
    We’ve had an officer involved shooting in St. Louis City. Here at the scene to keep the crowd calm & find out exactly what happened. #peace

  43. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me.

    No, you dumb fucking pig. For everything short of aggressively approaching you, your duty is to take it with professionalism and good grace and still call me “sir”.

    1. Hey Dutta,

      Here’s how you should handle it:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXY2fImfr7Y

      1. Oops, I never knew the full story behind this video until just now. O well, what’s shown on the video is still how you should handle the situation even if you didn’t provoke the person beforehand.

    2. Define aggressively approaching. Sounds a lot like “furtive gesture” or “sudden movement”.

      1. It’s about equivalent to the South Park “it’s coming right for us!”

        1. * metallic sounding voice * “Thin the herd, Jimbo.”

      2. I’m sure it involves waistbands in some capacity.

    3. You misspelled “serf.”

  44. I know it’s not PC to mention, but I have to say it: I really liked this apology for the brownshirts better in the original German.

  45. Seeing as he’s currently employed by the LAPD, I can’t wait to see this cited in suits against the department to show an institutional practice of rights violations.

  46. The jokes on US. Dare to exercise your rights and see exactly what the government thinks of them.

  47. Most papers checks are complete in minutes. Why complain?

    Most train cars can be boarded in seconds? Why ask where they’re taking you?

  48. What he doesn’t seem to get, is the genie is already out of the bottle. People are less likely to submit because cops started to become bigger assholes. The whole interaction between cops and the mundanes has been a ratcheting upward of assholery. But I maintain the cops started it. When cops stopped being peace keepers and became a form of pirate, the whole interaction changed. When cops could impound booty and keep it, things changed. Of course, 9/11 changed things quite a bit too. And the ability to put up road blocks to make random stops ratcheted things up. People aren’t stupid and they know when they are being fucked with.

    And so their ability to meekly submit is getting LESS AND LESS in response to the overall increase in statism and the use of Force. You don’t have a society where half of one’s labor is hauled off, savings debased, mandates handed out, debt run up on their name, ever increasing surveillance, and road blocks every ten feet, and NOT react negatively when Officer “Friendly” gets in your face for driving five miles over the speed limit or jay-walking or whatever. People AT ALL ECONOMIC LEVELS are getting sick and tired of getting pushed around by statists. And anyone who has cracked a history book knows that when you’ve pissed off your middle class, the end is near for The Establishment.

    So this guy just MIGHT want to look into an overall freer society FIRST before asking the mundanes to cast their eyes downward in the presence of The King’s Men.

    1. The sad thing is that officer dim bulb here is from LOS ANGELES of all places, where there was a recent historical incident that shows what happens when the people the cops routinely fuck with figure out that they outnumber the cops.

      -jcr

  49. Is “Dunil” an obscure sanskrit term for “Dogberry “?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmFu42uvomg

    1. Dogberry is more intelligent that the average cop.

  50. The reason that police escalate a situation when they shouldn’t is because there is little personal gain by walking away. If they escalate and something bad happens then they are cleared. If they walk away and something bad happens then they get into trouble. Human nature dictates that they go for the least personal risk. The only way to change this is to change the policies of what designates a successful event.

  51. One of the problems today is that the populace has been totally dumbed-down regarding the law of the land. The supreme law in this country is common law. If one’s rights are interfered with by another man, whether that man is acting as a government agent or as simply another (wo)man, the correct procedure is to file a claim (not a complaint) in any court of record. This makes you the prosecutor and makes the wrongdoer the defendant (loser). The wrongdoer, whether acting as a cop, special agent or whatever, has to answer as a (wo)man and cannot hide behind any perceived immunities and cannot rely on their workplace legal representation.
    Learn the real law, not code or statute, and once again become the master and not the subject of your servants.

  52. Go fuck yourself Dutta.

  53. “Treat me with respect, respect my rights, don’t lay a hand on me, and keep your attitude in check, unless you want me outside your house with a AA-12 the next time you take out the trash”.

    If that were the common answer to this fuck, by people who meant it (based on common occurrences), the issue would be largely solved.

  54. IT’S TIME TO DISARM THE POLICE IN AMERICA

    There are too many homicides by shootings, beatings and chokeholds committed by cops, which are murders by never get ruled as such in America. It’s time to change this horror.

    1. This is something I’ve advocated for some time. Abolish armed officers altogether, and make the sheriff an elected official whose ONLY authority is to summon a posse when needed. Let the posse be made up of people who volunteer like the VFDs out west are.

      -jcr

      1. And let them be held liable for their actions should they be deemed unlawful. You know, like we don’t do with the police.

        1. Indeed!

      2. Good thought!

      3. What do you mean “out west”, suckah?

        Plenty of VFDs on the east coast.

    2. How exactly will disarming the police stop deaths by beatings and chokeholds? If anything it will increase them, as you’ll have less-compliant criminals who will fight to keep from being apprehended.

      How exactly do you expect a disarmed police to deal with armed criminals? Should they wait 20-30 minutes outside your house for an armed unit to respond after your wife has called them because she’s getting raped by an armed home invader?

      Disarming the police isn’t the answer in an armed society: Accountability is.

    3. Personally, I prefer handling police matters in the way we handle bounty hunting. Bounty hunters can do to their intended target whatever the court orders, but they face civil and criminal liability when they hurt other people. On the other hand, unlike cops, they need to succeed at catching criminals in order to earn a living.

  55. Q: how do you get in to Colorado Technical University?
    A: you open the door.

  56. and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me.

    How does one “aggressively walk”? With a snarl?

    Also, definitely don’t bark or act like a pooch in any way. You’d just be asking for it.

    Just how do you “refuse consent to search your car or home” without running afoul of the no-nos Dutta warns may get you “shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground”?

    I believe that’s the point.

  57. Chris Rock covered this years ago.

  58. Goes to show that anyone can get a PhD these days, even a brain-dead, power tripping pig who never should have been trusted with any authority in his life.

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  59. I guess he’s afraid that Washington Post readers are going to start yelling at cops?

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  62. I see that CNN is not permitting comments on this.

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  68. “If you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground,” warns Officer Sunil Dutta of the Los Angeles Police Department, “just do what I tell you.”
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  69. By definition, citizens are expected to do what a policeman tells them. Period. It is the absolute basis of our legal system. If a person does not do what a policemen tells them, what then is the policeman supposed to fucking do? Let it go? Have a conversation circle? Seek mediation? As much as this twit doesn’t like it, the only fucking alternative is physical force. Period. Get used to that reality dipshit.

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