Which is Worse: Beating Your Wife or Carrying a Gun with a Permit?
Glenn Instapundit Reynolds in USA Today:
When Ray Rice beat his wife unconscious in an elevator, New Jersey Superior Court Judge Michael Donio and New Jersey District Attorney Jim McClain agreed to put him in a diversion program for 1st-time offenders to keep him out of jail. But when Pennsylvania single mom Shaneen Allen was pulled over for a traffic violation and volunteered to a New Jersey police officer that she was carrying a legally-owned handgun with a Pennsylvania permit, the response of Donis and McClain was to deny her the same opportunity as Rice.
Allen lives in Philadelphia, right across the river from New Jersey. She has a Pennsylvania permit to carry a handgun. She thought it was recognized in New Jersey, just as it is recognized in over 30 other states. She was wrong. When she told the officer that she had the gun, she was arrested.
Now she faces a felony conviction and a mandatory 42 months in prison.
Reynolds, who teaches law at University of Tennessee, offers up a solution to such cases:
Under the Constitution, Congress has the power to protect civil rights via legislation, and this seems like a good subject for action. I would suggest a law providing that when people who may legally own guns under federal law are charged with possessing or carrying them in violation of state law, the maximum penalty should be a fine of no more than $500. This would allow states a reasonable degree of regulation, without subjecting individuals to life-ruining consequences just because some politico wants to make a point.
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Nick, really?? Didn't you see the thread about this yesterday. Or is it your purpose to get another?
Although "Gillespie" is a funny name, kinda makes me laugh.
... I don't get it.
But 'Nick' is hilarious.
"Gillespie"
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I couldn't even read the article!
I know right? Don't get me started.
Sounds like some people are butthurt than anyone would dare laugh at black people names. The staying power of this meme is potent. You must be a real asshole brian
I prefer the term visionary!
It sounds like the noise my gun makes when it's empty.
Isn't Nick shorthand for theft?
Or a small cut.
Like a prick?
Nick's a prick?
Kind of harsh, waffles.
No I don't think so. I rather like the guy.
Or the devil. Or Santa.
UnCiv,
If you want to read the whole thing:
Try here.
Perhaps they should take a poll and find what millennials think about it.
(Either this suggested gun bill, or the name Shaneen.)
You already know one millennial's opinion 😉
without subjecting individuals to life-ruining consequences just because some politico wants to make a point.
Well, that right there is why this is a non-starter.
Whatever happened to 'Full faith and credit'? She clearly went through the process, so the Jerseyite sewer mutants should recognize the Pennsylvanian ruling.
Full faith and credit doesn't apply to guns or the second amendment. Because FYTW.
Is it feasible to boycott an entire state?
You can try, but in the case of New Jersey, you had better be prepared to give up taking prescription drugs.
Is it feasible to boycott an entire state?
Yes, but you must first yourself if the state to be boycotted has anything of value to offer in the first place.
That reminded me of the one-way toll bridges on the Delaware and Hudson Rivers. They let you in to New Jersey for free, but charge a toll to cross a bridge leaving the state.
Allen wasn't a professional athlete and that gun she was carrying might have up and shot someone, someone like a child. Why do you hate children?
Also, Rice beat up his girlfriend, not his wife. Jezus, Nick.
Technically, the person that Ray Rice beat unconcious is his wife, she just wasn't at that time.
Can you imagine the rampage that gun might have gone on if it had been freed from its holster for only a single second?
Allen wasn't a professional athlete and that gun she was carrying might have up and shot someone, someone like a child.
Allen wasn't a cop, was she?
Beating the wife is never an option.
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Did the previous anonbot get banned for being a Rascist?
Nope. It got banned simply because it had anon-bot blood.
I'm starting to dig this meme.
As the prolific writer RJ Mo often said "Sometimes you gotta role with the punches, dude."
It's a lot easier when you don't give a shit about the people you're upsetting...
And when you're obviously right 🙂
You're right, it is a funny name.
It's fairly simple, crimes against the state are worse than crimes against fellow citizens. Authority cannot be challenged.
DING! DING! DING!
Crimes against the King's Majesty cannot be tolerated.
yep
That's rule #1 of statism. If we actually applied criminal laws to everyone equally without regard for costume or electoral popularity, the state could not exist. That should tell you something about how rational statism is.
Baltimore Ravens seem to have a remarkable ability to beat the rap, whether it's assault, battery, murder, or whatever.
Yuk yuk.
Ray Lewis prayed hard about it - and I know this because there were t-v cameras to record it - and he approves this message.
Yep. Every time I see that cretin on ESPN doing his holy man bible thumping routine I have to resist the urge to shoot the television like Elvis.
Nice.
the New Jersey law in question is clearly intended to have a "chilling effect." .... Perhaps, as the national outcry grows, the New Jersey justice system will do right by Allen.
What?! And fuck up the chilling effect?!
Lesson #5,398,432 as to why to never offer information nor be truthful to the state or its goons.
She probably didn't have a choice in this matter, but if you have a choice, shut your cake hole.
"Sure I'll consent to a search. What could possibly go wrong."
Apparently she just told them she had the gun. I imagine you probably are supposed to do that in PA. I know in some states you can get in trouble if you don't.
She was probably operating under the misapprehension that the state would treat fairly an honest citizen who made an effort to comply with the law.
The biggest difference I see between the two events is one had a victim and one didn't. Of course, it's the one without a victim that has the prosecuter going balls to the wall.
anti-gun activist Bryan Miller gloating over this result: "Fortunately, the notoriety of this case will make it less likely Pennsylvanians will carry concealed and loaded handguns in New Jersey, thereby making them and the Garden State safer from gun violence,"
I've often wondered if mewling cunts like Miller are deliberately this dishonest, or are they just complete morons who have managed to fulfill their Peter Principle within their org?
He probably is just that stupid. 99 out of every 100 people you meet have opinions with no rational basis whatsoever. Many of them go on to become legislators, bureaucrats, journalists, cops and lawyers... professions where those ignorant opinions become powerful enough to fuck up other people's life.
It's partly a really idiotic interpretation of statistics, I think. As a group, people carrying guns are more likely to be involved in an incident of gun violence (no shit, it's pretty hard to have gun violence without a gun). Therefore, every individual with a gun increases the threat.
Shaneen Allen Legal Defense Fund
Not "or". "And"
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when people who may legally own guns under federal law are charged with possessing or carrying them in violation of state law,
Um, point of order, don't we all legally own guns under federal law?
There's a permit for beating your wife?
Yeah, it looks like this.
I was so sure that would lead to rick roll