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Police Abuse

Cop Shoots Dog on Friday, Gets Fired on Monday, No Appeal Available

Ed Krayewski | 7.29.2014 12:05 PM

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On Friday, an unidentified police officer in Hometown, a suburb of Chicago, shot and killed a 14-month-old family dog in front of the dog's owner and the owner's 6-year-old daughter. ABC 7 has the story:

[Owner Nicole] Echlin says [her dog] Apollo had run out of the front door. Hometown police had been alerted, and encountered the dog as he returned to the front yard. Echlin says she tried coaxing Apollo back in the house, but he turned and bared his teeth at one of the officers. According to police, that's when the officer withdrew his weapon and fired one shot, striking the dog.

Echlin says she questioned the use of deadly force- especially in front of her daughter- but she says the officer showed no remorse.

"He just said it had to be done. He walked up to me, told me that and walked away," said Echlin.

Killing a dog for doing what dogs do most certainly didn't have to be done. Firing the cop did, and Hometown's police chief, Charles Forsyth, did just that on Monday, calling the incident and aftermath an "emotional rollercoaster" for the family, the community, and the police department. A Justice for Apollo Facebook page garnered more than 10,000 likes since being created on Friday.

ABC7 identified the police officer only as a 15-year-veteran of the force. Forsyth told me this morning he would not be releasing the name of the fired officer but also said there is no built-in arbitration or appeals process for the now ex-cop to turn to. He suggested the officer, like any employee fired by his employer, could launch a lawsuit if he wanted, but confirmed that the officer was no longer with the department and would not be drawing a pension.

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  1. Homple   11 years ago

    Nuts unpunched.

    1. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

      Hell, this is a nut massage, what with the recent spate of puppycides to which we've been treated.

    2. Drax the Destroyer   11 years ago

      Soothing salve applied to crushed testicles.

    3. Cunning Linguist   11 years ago

      Best part is "No appeals process!"

      1. maw   11 years ago

        It is right up there with "and would not be drawing a pension."

  2. Steve G   11 years ago

    Is it April already?

  3. Suthenboy   11 years ago

    I bet they were trying to get rid of this guy anyway, this just gave them an excuse.

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      Yeah, after 15 years you would think this would take more than a couple days to sort out unless he already has a history.

  4. MegaloMonocle   11 years ago

    I think we just found the next head of the FBI.

    Well, in libertopia, anyway.

    Oh, and I mean the chief, not the goon. Here in Americastan, the goon is more likely to become a federal official.

    1. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

      Libertopia has an FBI? LAME

      1. MegaloMonocle   11 years ago

        Well, yeah. Its like five guys, and they only investigate politicians.

        1. gimmeasammich   11 years ago

          Its like five guys

          Do they also sell greasy cheeseburgers and consciously sourced fries?

        2. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

          Well, yeah. Its like five guys, and they only investigate politicians.

          Plus, they're unarmed, and if they want to make an arrest, they have to plead their case to state of local authorities, who will decide whether or not to make the arrest.

  5. JW   11 years ago

    there is no built-in arbitration or appeals process for the now ex-cop to turn to.

    Now I know that you're just fucking with us.

    1. OneOut   11 years ago

      Yeah.

      Are we sure this isn't reposted from the Onion ?

  6. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

    Well this is good news but I'm assuming this pig is in a union so we'll see.

    1. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

      Well this is good news but I'm assuming this pig is in a union so we'll see.

      My guess is that he's not, which is why he's not afforded a shot at arbitration. That's a typical union perk.

      1. Another David   11 years ago

        The HPD website says their officers aren't even full-time. So probably no union.

      2. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        Union members don't magically get arbitration rights because they are in a union, they get them (and so do non-members) if provisions for them are in their contract or exist under state law. The unions just sometimes provide legal representation to their members (and I guess non-members covered under union negotiated collective bargaining contracts).

        1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

          In other words, the problem is not so much the unions as the contracts.

          1. MegaloMonocle   11 years ago

            Unions are the disease. Union contracts are the symptom.

  7. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    And my expectation is that the union will battle tooth and nail to get this guy reinstated. Successfully.

    And the cop will quietly get his job back, with back pay.

    I truly, deeply want to be wrong.

    1. Ed   11 years ago

      I don't think small town pds like this generally have their own unions. The cops join state-wide associations. Because those associations are state-wide, they don't focus as much on cases like this. The chief made it clear there was no public employee process available to him. I doubt the FOP will want to spend money on a lawsuit by someone no longer technically eligible to be in their union. The cop in Texas who shot the 90-something-year-old woman who he said was brandishing a firearm didn't get his job back either. He lawyered up but nothing has come of it and he doesn't seem to be getting any union help. If either gets his job back you'll read about it here!

      1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

        Thanks Ed!

    2. datcv   11 years ago

      He'll just shuffle on over to Cook County where every monstrous act by a police officer is "following procedures".

  8. Episiarch   11 years ago

    I wonder how many towns over the fired cop will go to get a new cop job.

    1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

      Evanston? Northbrook? Nazitown?

      1. The Tone Police   11 years ago

        I hate Illinois Nazis.

      2. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        Skokie?

        1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

          That's what I said, Nazitown.

          1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

            It's just a short march from Chicago...

            1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

              Also Nazitown.

      3. croaker   11 years ago

        Hoffman Estates?

        (The main character in the comic Buck Godot was modeled after a police officer in Hoffman Estates)

    2. Invisible Finger   11 years ago

      One - Chicago.

      He was probably doing this as resume-padding.

  9. Daniel   11 years ago

    He will end up in another department with an even bigger chip on his shoulder.

  10. The Tone Police   11 years ago

    Killing a dog for doing what dogs do most certainly didn't have to be done. Firing Echin did, and Hometown's police chief, Charles Forsyth, did just that on Monday

    Bwa? I cannot read this sentence.

    1. PRX   11 years ago

      Echlin is the homeowner, not the cop, so the chief can't fire her. stupid chief.

      1. Invisible Finger   11 years ago

        Ed Krayewski = SLOPPY.

        He couldn't even be bothered to go to the Facebook page to find the officer's name.

        Who's the goddamned web editor around here anyway?

  11. rts   11 years ago

    Fired is great, but how about charges that, you know, little people might face?

    1. JayMan   11 years ago

      The owners of the dog need to sue the wrongdoer (the man acting as a cop) by making a CLAIM of trespass. The trespass being the destruction of their property (the dog). Making the CLAIM establishes a court of record (common law) and the man has to answer - no lawyers allowed.

  12. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

    I am happy to hear the news, but I hope it doesn't forestall a lawsuit by the dog's owners.

    1. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

      I am happy to hear the news, but I hope it doesn't forestall a lawsuit by the dog's owners.

      Hopefully just against the shooter, not against the department. It looks like this chief immediately stood up and did the right thing.

      1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

        If there is no evidence that there was training and/or direction by the department that led to this, then yes, I agree.

        1. Catatafish   11 years ago

          Plaintiff's attorneys often plead just the opposite, however. Absence of proper training and/or oversight can be just as egregious. A normal human would hope that "murdering an animal companion in front of its owners" constitutes behavior so outside the bounds of decency as to not constitute an act in the course of the officer's duties (thereby making the officer personally liable and the department not), but, well, I read Reason regularly and no other conclusion can be drawn than cops do, in fact, consider "murdering an animal companion in front of its owners" to be ENTIRELY an act in the course of their duties. (sigh)

          1. sarcasmic   11 years ago

            Cops kill pets because it is a show of power.

            1. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

              Cops kill pets because it is a show of power.

              Yep. Imagine being able to shoot a family pet in front of a 6-year-old girl and her father, and they can't do anything about it. The feeling of raw power must be sublime.

              But I'm sure there are those who don't care so much about a show of power, but instead are after the opportunity to fire their weapons and watch something bleed to death.

  13. Invisible Finger   11 years ago

    The officer ? identified by the Justice for Apollo Facebook page as Robert Norris ? located the dog and followed him back to his home.

  14. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Finally. A police Chief with balls to do right by the people.

    Let's just enjoy it.

  15. Doghouse Reilly   11 years ago

    A feel-good story and chuckle-worthy alt-text. Today is looking up!

  16. Mainer2   11 years ago

    A pet peeve is seeing every cop refered to as a "veteran", regardless of how long they've had the job. e.g. a "two year veteran".

    In this case, 15 years legitimately makes Norris a veteran.

    So there's that.

    1. Invisible Finger   11 years ago

      "veteran" implies "shot at on the front lines while fighting for Americans' freedom" and "must be competent because he's been around so long". That's why they use it.

      Kyle Orton is an NFL "veteran". Shit, at this point Tim Tebow is an NFL veteran.

      1. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

        Another way to look at it is that Tim Tebow is a veteran in the same sense that a kid who washes out of Army boot camp is a "veteran."

        He just bought a house in the neighborhood across the street from my office. Something like $1.4 million, so he's obviously not hurting for money..

        1. KDN   11 years ago

          Yeah, Timmy's doing just fine.

          Some details on the Tebow rookie deal

          Base salary

          2010: $1.295 million (fully guaranteed)

          2011: $1.618.75 million (fully guaranteed)

          2012: $1.942.5 million (fully guaranteed)

          2013: $2.266.75 million (fully guaranteed)

          2014: $2.590.5 million ($567,500 guaranteed)

          Advance/Signing bonus

          $975,000 on Friday (salary reduced to $325,000)

          $6.275 million due 29 days after start of 2011 league year. Typically season starts March 1, but it's written this way in case work stoppage delays start of season. (Salaries from 2011-14 reduced to offset advance)

          One-time playing time bonus (contractually considered likely to be earned)

          Tebow collects $1.537.5 million if he plays 35 percent of the offensive snaps in 2010, or 45 percent of the snaps in any of the seasons 2011-14.

  17. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

    Hometown? Is that anywhere near Anyplace, USA?

  18. Jayburd   11 years ago

    Poorly trained dog, poorly trained cop.

  19. Ryan60657   11 years ago

    I'm not in any way justifying what the cop did, but the owner wasn't exactly the most upstanding member of society. From the Chicago Tribune article's comments section:

    "IMAGES
    Look at owner's Facebook post from July 20th( a screenshot that she removed shortly after the incident) in which she finds much humor and actual PRIDE in the dog being loose and unrestrained and biting postal workers, chasing police officers and "trying to eat children" despite her mother being given citations for the dangerous dog's failure to be restrained in the past.
    From her post you can see that she obviously thinks it's funny to have her dog bite people doing their job and scare children.
    And this is a "responsible pet owner"?

    No. Responsible pet owners don't share these views. Not at all.
    This woman and her family knew full well of the dog's nature and failed this poor dog through their incompetence and negligence. And from the Facebook post, one could allege, intent. Poor dog. BAD bad bad owners!"

    1. John Thacker   11 years ago

      And yet the Postal Service manages to avoid shooting dogs.

      1. gaoxiaen   11 years ago

        It's strange that they can afford military monster trucks, but can't find funding for pepper spray.

    2. Jayburd   11 years ago

      Where was animal control?

  20. DEG   11 years ago

    Nice alt-text.

  21. vserve629   11 years ago

    Sometimes you jsut have to roll with it

    http://www.WentAnon.Tk

  22. Tabasco   11 years ago

    The silver lining -- the little girl learned a valuable lesson about the police and what kind of monsters they are.

  23. Paws67   11 years ago

    Firing is a start, but if you and I did this we would be in Jail, A badge shouldn't give you special rights!!!

    1. JayMan   11 years ago

      The badge doesn't give special rights. As a matter of fact, a police actor has no rights; only duties, responsibilities and obligations.
      The problem is that the public has been dumbed down to the point that they have no idea how to assert THEIR rights.
      The government schools (indoctrination centers) are doing their job - to everyone's detriment.

  24. Meerkatx   11 years ago

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1862334

    I didn't see any word on this story here at Reason where a cop killed a dog because he was in fear of his life from the dog. Dog was inside a car with the window half rolled up.

    1. Mensan   11 years ago

      It was here: Cop Shoots 'Vicious' 'Pitbull' That Was Really a Black Lab in a Car

  25. Karl Hungus   11 years ago

    I know. Part of me likes this new, unfamilar sensation; the other part is screaming "bad touch!"

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