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NYC Doubles Down on Petty Law Enforcement: Respecting Authority is What Democracy Is About

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but he has such a beautiful family!
NYC, via Gothamist

As New York City continues to produce bad news it's becoming harder and harder to feel sympathetic for the residents subject to the abuses of its government. New York City's mayor and police commissioner have announced that, despite the death of a man taken into police custody because of suspicion he was selling untaxed cigarettes, the city's police force (the world's seventh largest army!) won't re-examine how aggressively they enforce minor legal infractions. Via Gothamist:

According to Mayor [Bill] de Blasio and Police Commissioner [Bill] Bratton, the NYPD will continue to strictly enforce laws against loosie [loose cigarettes] peddlers and subway dancers. "I can understand why any New Yorker may say, that's not such a big deal," de Blasio said. "But a violation of the law is a violation of the law."

Commissioner Bratton added, "It's important that when an officer does approach you to correct your behavior, that you respect them. That's what democracy's all about."

Keep voting for progressives if you want, New York City, but don't expect things to change. New York residents weary of their overbearing government and its abuses should heed the warning of Malcolm X, who made a home in New York City in the later part of his life: "if you form the habit of taking what someone else says about a thing without checking it out for yourself, you'll find that other people will have you hating your own friends and loving your enemies." The disaster that Bill De Blasio is showing himself to be so soon after a rather decisive (if low voter turnout) victory makes Malcolm X's warning that much more relevant. It wasn't the Tea Party that killed Eric Garner and it wasn't the Tea Party that supported the kind of laws that lead to confrontations like the one police had with Garner in the first place either.

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  1. In fairness to NYC, there is a pretty long tradition which says that minorities respecting the laws set forth by majorities is exactly what democracy is about.

    1. You can sure say that again…

  2. In fairness to NYC, there is a pretty long tradition which says that minorities respecting the laws set forth by majorities is exactly what democracy is about.

  3. So what did de Blasio have to say about Guiliani’s crime fighting policies?

    selling untaxed cigarettes
    So once pot is legal I’m guessing there’ll be trouble with folks selling untaxed weed.

  4. Keep voting for progressives if you want, New York City, but don’t expect things to change.

    This sentiment comes up here a lot, especially in the comments, and it’s disturbing to see on a libertarian site of all places.

    Speaking of the last mayoral election, for instance, what about the 25% of voters who went for Lhota? And what about the 7+ million who didn’t vote at all?

    1. There’s nothing ‘disturbing’ at all about that comment. It’s a fact that Lhota voters aside the NYers either support the Total State by voting for it or passively accepting it.

      1. Yup, that’s not collectivizing bullshit or anything.

        1. No it really isn’t at all.

    2. Carl, don’t interfere with the collectivist hate and collective guilting. They enjoy it too much. Having principles is no fun compared to that.

      1. Anarcho-mother hen is unhappy with the brood.

  5. “I can understand why any New Yorker may say, that’s not such a big deal,” de Blasio said. “But a violation of the law is a violation of the law.”

    de Blasio’s city needs money, so unless you start making it somehow less profitable, they’re going to keep this up.

    1. It is becoming less profitable. Wall Street jobs are leaving for Salt Lake City and other jurisdictions. I read it on a Forbes article.

    2. Whenever I hear progressives say this “the law is the law” shit, I’d like to transport them waaaaaaay back in time to 2002, and have them say the same about anti-sodomy laws.

      Either that, or to any number of other countries in the present day.

      1. Take them to Saudi Arabia for that. Watch their heads detonate spontaneously.

  6. The squirrels are back. Way to fuck things up again you incompetent twats.

  7. My word for today is “loosie.”

    I do understand and agree with the “broken window theory” of crime fighting, but there must be many more important things to go after before they get to “loosie” vendors.

    1. I agree with the “eat shit and fuck off, badge” theory of crime-fighting.

    2. DON’T TALK ABOUT LOOSIE

      1. Something wrong with Vitameatavegamin?

    3. many more important things to go after before they get to “loosie” vendors.

      And that’s where you’d be exactly wrong.

      The idea of selling untaxed ‘loosie’ cigarettes is a threat to what? To what? Beuller? Anyone? The revenue stream of the state. You fuck with the revenue due to the state, and you are, in essence, committing a kind of treason.

      Raping a jogger in the park or stealing your iPod or mugging you for your wallet– that’s just nuisance crime.

      1. Let me put it another way, in modern business parlance.

        The policing of crime-crime: beatings, muggings, murders etc., represents a cost center for the state.

        The policing of tax evading crimes such as selling cigarettes etc., that’s a revenue source.

        See the difference?

        1. Crimes against the state are crimes against everyone, since government is us and we are government. Crimes against individuals are mere annoyances, because the people are much more important than any one person. Duh.

  8. So de Blasio is one of those the “law is the law” types, huh. I wonder if had the same idea when the Republicans were in power.

    1. By the way, is de Blasio a ‘republican’ like Bloomberg was with his 11th hour Giuliani coattail-riding switch was a republican?

      1. Considering that supported the Sandinistas and “received a B.A. from New York University, majoring in metropolitan studies, a program in urban studies with courses such as Politics of Minority Groups and The Working Class Experience” I doubt that he is some Republican who became a Dem in order to get elected.

        1. It’s more like de Blasio is a Democrat because it’d be harder to get elected as a Socialist.

          1. So there is a difference between a Democrat and a Socialist?

            1. It’s a difference in degree, not in kind.

              1. To be fair this also describe Republicans.

            2. A socialist has a coherent, albeit deeply flawed, philosophy.

        2. I think it’s cute he got married in Cuba.

          1. The law is the law.

  9. “But a violation of the law is a violation of the law.”

    And the penalty for any violation of the law has a potential death sentence. See? Equality! That’s what democracy is all about!

  10. It’s important that when an officer does approach you to correct your behavior, that you respect them. That’s what democracy’s all about.

    Leaving aside from the massive displacement from “arrest” to “being approached to correct your behavior” . . . .

    I thought democracy was about voting for your political leaders. You could say, after all that, obedience to authority is what dictatorships are all about.

    1. DHS offers this helpful brochure to explain DeBlasio’s concept of democracy.

      Stop, Drop, and Cower

  11. Oh, and New York city police killing a man for selling an untaxed, loose cigarette: that’s just good government.

    The Tea party calling for any reduction in government power: racist dog whistles.

    1. Selling an untaxed cigarette is stealing from the people, like the Tea Party reducing the size of government. /Tony

  12. You Know Who Else said that the Law is the Law?

    1. The Knights of the Tautological Order?

  13. Jim Crow laws were the law – and so on and on and on.

  14. “I can understand why any New Yorker may say, that’s not such a big deal,” de Blasio said. “But a violation of the law is a violation of the law.”

    de Blasio then added, “The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout ‘save us!’…and I’ll look down and whisper ‘no'”

  15. “But a violation of the law is a violation of the law.”

    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.

    And for all you guys who get your panties in a bunch about collectively guilting New York voters who consistently go to the polls and elevate these authoritarian scumbags to positions of power, what’s your solution?
    Who the fuck else is to blame?

    1. It’s not totally their fault. I mean, they’re given a multiple choice list of authoritarian assholes to choose from. So the outcome will always be the same, no matter who they choose.

      1. Lhota was not the same.

  16. It’s important that when an officer does approach you to correct your behavior, that you respect them. That’s what democracy’s all about.

    Holy fuck.

    1. What we need is a different kind of officer–a political officer, if you will–who applies correction, justice, and retribution on the spot.

      1. Like Judge Dredd?

        1. Sort of, but I call him General Volont?. He executes the will of the people as he determines it to be.

          1. But he still can’t execute a perp when he is only 99% certain, right?

        1. +1 Credit for violating the verbal morality statute.

  17. it’s becoming harder and harder to feel sympathetic for the residents subject to the abuses of its government

    That’s a polite way of putting it.

    Move out, New Yorkers, while you still can.

    1. Why? So the rest of us can enjoy their philosophy of government?

      1. Good point. Stay on, New Yorkers, you’re doing a heckuva job!

        1. “Brownie, you’re doing a heckuva job.” ? Maureen Dowd

  18. “It’s important that when an officer does approach you to correct your behavior, that you respect them. That’s what democracy’s all about.”

    The mask slips. Democracy means “respecting authority.”

    1. Seriously. Did Commissar Commissioner Bratton have a brain aneurysm?

    2. Well, yeah. Democracy means the government is the people and the people are the government. So respecting the police means respecting the will of the people because people voted and stuff, and that act of voting legitimizes absolutely everything that government does. Because democracy

      1. Right. And democracy never means you as an individual. As an individual you are secondary to the wants of the government, which is democracy. Amen.

        1. I should edit out “secondary” and insert “dispensable.”

      2. Third and last try to reply here. I keep getting logged out before the comment posts.

        Anyway, the public is everyone except you or any individual the police come into contact with. Since they serve the public, and the public is everyone except you, that means you serve them.

        1. And, really, how selfish of you to insist upon your own desires and not subjugate your will to the majority who are just preventing people from dying in the street. Just enough government to prevent total chaos that’s all they’re after.

    3. How many votes did Bratton get when he was elected Police Commissioner?

    4. To be fair to DeBlasio, Giuliani said pretty much the same thing.

      “Freedom is about authority”

      “Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”

    5. Shades of Guiliani.

  19. But what do millenials think about this?

    1. That joke’s getting so old that the Cleveland Browns may have to act as pallbearers at its funeral soon.

      1. I think the real question is what Milennials watch to turn gay now that Golden Girls is off the air.

        1. Glee, obviously.

        2. *Looks at Stormy*
          *Stands*
          *Begins clapping*

  20. OT:

    Steve Daines is really pissing me off. The ads his campaign keeps airing talk about how Walsh supported the ACA, and that’s bad because it…wait for it…cuts Medicare!

    Daines also runs an ad about Walsh “shipping jobs to China (sic).”

    Entitlement cuts = bad: check;
    Neo-mercantilism/nationalism: check.

    So, Daines is just another GOP establishmentarian. Fuck him.*

    *Fuck Walsh, too.

  21. Has there been a Reason post yet about the pregnant woman that the NYPD put a choke hold on for grilling in front of her house, or do we all have so much bad news fatigue that y’all haven’t gotten to it yet?

    1. Saw the story, but from the pictures shown, there’s no choke hold. That said, it’s stupid to arrest someone for “illegal grilling,” never mind violently arrest them for it.

  22. Policd should give summons for petty offenses.

    The apprehension of small petty offenses is nonsense and does nobody good.
    And a conservative has always been a bigger asshole than aliberal when it comes to policing.

    1. And a conservative has always been a bigger asshole than aliberal when it comes to policing.

      Don’t worry, de Blasio is working to change that.

      1. How’s things with your family ?

        1. They’re doing well, thank you. My daughter has finished her chelation therapy, so we’re in a good spot for now.

  23. Commissioner Bratton added, “It’s important that when an officer does approach you to correct your behavior, that you respect them. That’s what democracy’s all about.”

    Paging barfman.

  24. DHS offers this helpful brochure for those of you still do not understand how to deal with law enforcement and other public servants.

    Stop, Drop, Cower

    It’s really pretty simple to comply when you are disabused of any notions about this being a free country.

  25. Did Reason seriously remove my comment?

    WOW!

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