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Politics

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's Losing His Primary: No Politician is Safe! [UPDATE: He Lost!]

Brian Doherty | 6.10.2014 8:01 PM

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UPDATE: From Politico via Drudge, the raw vote totals on David Brat's surprising upset over House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, 55.9 to 44.1 right now.

THE ORIGINAL POST:

Talking Points Memo is reporting on early, and shocking, exit polls early results from Virginia in House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's primary bid:

House Minority Leader Eric Cantor's (R-VA) primary fight looked much more serious than many had thought.

With 52 percent of precincts reporting 41 minutes after polls closed primary challenger David Brat was leading Cantor, 57.9 percent to 42.1 percent.

Who is Brat? He is an economics professor at Randolph-Macon College. Brat was regarded as a long shot candidate but Cantor's campaign still spent over $1 million on advertising to stress that the top House Republican is a "strong conservative."

The Washington Post rightly spotted some momentum from the Tea Party-affiliated Brat last month.

It ain't over yet, but no political establishment is safe, it seems.

UPDATE: Associated Press is calling it: Cantor loses!

Interesting money in politics point via Tweet from John M Donnelly of Congressional Quarterly-Roll Call: in official campaign dollars Cantor outspent Brat $5.4 million to $200,000.

UPDATE II: In a positive sign about what one might expect from Brat in at least some respects, see him valorizing Justin Amash and Thomas Massie as the best graded members of the House via an ad from Organize Liberty that he tweeted. (It might have been more about Cantor's bad grade. But still, a nice hat tip to some decent congressmen.)

And as commenter Raven Nation noted below, Brat also has written about Ayn Rand in an academic/scholarly way. (Not sure what he said about her, but he's interested.)

Brat on the issues.

Twitter feed of Zaid Jilani has lots about Brat's campaign manager, Zachary Werrell, who seems to be a libertarian movement-interested fellow of the LewRockwell.com variety--he describes himself as an "Austrian Economics geek" on his Twitter. Werrell's LinkedIn.

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Brian Doherty is a senior editor at Reason and author of Ron Paul's Revolution: The Man and the Movement He Inspired (Broadside Books).

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    If only.

  2. Winston   11 years ago

    What chance does Brat have against the Dem?

    It ain't over yet, but no political establishment is safe, it seems.

    So how did the Dem establishment perform?

    1. Jordan   11 years ago

      "This is still the most Republican district in the state, from the west end of Richmond to Culpeper," Bliley said, "and once he gets through this, the Democrats don't have a candidate ? no one filed."

      A pretty good chance, it seems...

      1. Winston   11 years ago

        Ah, pretty smart move then to primary Cantor.

        1. Winston   11 years ago

          Well we'll see how Brat performs against Jack Trammell this fall.

      2. wareagle   11 years ago

        hard to win if you don't play. I tend to favor the elimination of any establishment fuck.

        1. Winston   11 years ago

          Well my point is more that if defeating Republican statists doesn't translate into defeating Dem statists too that is not exactly reason for optimism.

          And You Know Who Else wanted to eliminate the Establishment?

          1. gaoxiaen   11 years ago

            Abbie Hoffman?

          2. neoteny   11 years ago

            Spartacus?

          3. Corning   11 years ago

            Jesus?

          4. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

            Antidisestablishmentarians?

            1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

              No, they were for the establishment. The Disestablishmentarians wanted to disestablish the Church of England.

          5. HazelMeade   11 years ago

            George Washington?

      3. SweatingGin   11 years ago

        There is a candidate, they got a prof on at the last minute it sounds like. Sounds like he teaches at the same school as Brat.

        1. wareagle   11 years ago

          loser gets tenure?

        2. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

          Wonder if Cantor tries for a rematch in the general as an independent. Anything stopping him from going for round two?

          1. Chaucer   11 years ago

            It is extremely hard to get on the ballot there if there is not a D or R behind your name.

          2. wareagle   11 years ago

            nope. See: Lieberman, Joe, CT Senate race.

            1. Eric L   11 years ago

              The laws regarding ballot access (how to qualify to get on the ballot) are different in each state. CT is not VA. In some states it is easy to run as an independent; in others almost impossible.

      4. Jerryskids   11 years ago

        I'm pretty sure the Dems would have managed to get a guy in the general whether or not they had a primary. The rules for getting on the ballot generally tend to become merely suggestions when it comes down to it.

  3. Kevin47   11 years ago

    I'd be happier if this weren't about immigration reform.

    1. Corning   11 years ago

      Just because Salon and Drudge say it is does not make it so.

      1. Some call me Tim?   11 years ago

        Looking at the issues this guy ran on, it's hard to see it as much else.

        1. Corning   11 years ago

          Heritage gave Cantor a 52.

          That number is not just based on immigration.

          Conservative district throwing out its Rino rep is not some magical thing that needs an issue...and pointing to the top headline on Drudge for the past week is just being lazy.

  4. Swiss Servator, CH yeah!   11 years ago

    HAHAHAHA - F'ing Establican, off w' ye.

    1. Tony   11 years ago

      You do know that once the tea people get elected and serve, they become the establishment?

      1. Wasteland Wanderer   11 years ago

        So? Politicians are a lot like diapers: they should be changed often, and usually for the same reason.

        1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

          Zing!

  5. Episiarch   11 years ago

    The more incumbents who lose, the better.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      What if an incumbent is up against Hitler?

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        Or worse... Nicole!

        1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

          Nicole/Hitler 2016!

          1. Episiarch   11 years ago

            This time, why not the worst worst?

            1. Herpes Trismegistus   11 years ago

              Bill & Opus in '16. Ack... why the fuck not?

              1. Episiarch   11 years ago

                Isn't Bill dead again? I guess it doesn't matter, that didn't stop him from running in '88 while dead.

                1. Cyto   11 years ago

                  I suppose that since we've had a VP with hairplugs you could run a VP candidate who's had a nose job..... but I still think it is risky.

          2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            "You couldn't do worse, America!"

            1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

              As long as Nicole is around Hitler will always be the bottom of the ticket.

      2. Duke   11 years ago

        You know who else was up against Hitler?

        1. Winston   11 years ago

          Paul von Hindenburg?

          Ernst Thalmann?

        2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

          You know who else was up against Hitler?

          Eva Braun?

          1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

            Braun biographer Heike G?rtemaker notes that Braun and Hitler enjoyed a normal sex life; Braun's friends and relatives described Eva giggling over a 1938 photograph of Neville Chamberlain sitting on a sofa in Hitler's Munich flat with the remark: "If only he knew what goings-on that sofa has seen."

            1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

              Fascist world leaders need love too, Serious.

            2. Irish   11 years ago

              Chamberlain wasn't the only person who knew how to appease Hitler.

            3. Irish   11 years ago

              Do you think Hitler and Eva ever engaged in sex games where Eva dressed up as Neville Chamberlain and pretended not to notice while Hitler stole all her panties?

              1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

                Was that a Freudian slip about your own role playing habits, Irish?

                1. Sudden   11 years ago

                  I have it on good authority that Irish's role playing habits involve his mistresses sole sartorial option being the gold paint and dress donned by the lead singer of The Cranberries in the video for Zombie.

              2. wareagle   11 years ago

                she dressed up like Poland and he invaded her. Too obvious?

                1. Mickey Rat   11 years ago

                  Goring needs to dress up like Stalin and simultaneously invade her backside.

      3. Episiarch   11 years ago

        Meh, I'd go with Hitler. Why not? Try something new.

        1. Duke   11 years ago

          At least we'd have great roads and cutting edge rocket program.

          1. BSubversive.com   11 years ago

            And really sweet uniforms.

            1. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

              Campaign like a Boss!

            2. Sudden   11 years ago

              And free day care for adolescents!

  6. Swiss Servator, CH yeah!   11 years ago

    Oh, and the Tea Party is dead, eh Rockefeller Republicans?

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      That is what I was just thinking. What these idiots didn't get when they were waging war on the tea party and libertarian members is that those guys are there because they have popular support.

      Looks like the chickens are coming home. I bet Boehner is shitting his pants.

    2. steve baker   11 years ago

      "tea party"

      There is a difference.

      It matters!

  7. Jordan   11 years ago

    Ha ha!

  8. Winston   11 years ago

    Also are there no PM links because of all the crack Nick smoked to claim that we are in a libertarian era?

  9. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Immigration might be a talking point to toss out there for the Tea Party-types but I feel this really reflects a simple disdain for people who have been in Congress a long time and do jackshit to actually promote smaller government.

    1. Raven Nation   11 years ago

      I used to live in that part of the country and it's hard to imagine immigration being a huge primary issue. Maybe, but seems unlikely.

      Also, from Brat's c.v.:

      "An Analysis of the Moral Foundations in Ayn Rand" by Katy Holland and David Brat, presented and published in the proceedings of Southeast Informs, Myrtle Beach, SC, October 6, 2010

      Whole thing here:

      http://faculty.rmc.edu/dbrat/research.html

      1. Corning   11 years ago

        I can see the fact that Cantor told voters one thing on immigration while moving in another could piss off primary voters.

        That does not make immigration "the issue". Being a lying rat bastard is the issue.

        Also i am sure lying about immigration probably isn't the first time lying with Cantor.

        1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

          You don't think a Republican pushing amnesty while thousands of minors pour across the border had anything to do with his defeat? I do. I'll bet if Cantor was not a prime GOP amnesty-booster, he would have won.

          1. Corning   11 years ago

            He wasn't a prime amnesty booster though.

            He was a secret one behind the scenes while in his election fliers he was saying he was against amnesty.

            And yes I think in Virginia the "thousands of minors pouring across the boarder" would be an abstraction barely understood or acknowledged by the primary voters there.

            Cantor has been in office for a long time. He has pissed off conservative voters for a long time. And immigration for the right is like global warming for the left. They care but it is no an issue that sways voters very hard.

            a $200,000 candidate does not beat a $5.4 million dollar candidate over immigration in a primary in Virginia.

            Voters were pissed at Cantor probably for a whole host of reasons.

  10. Irish   11 years ago

    You mean that declaring the Tea Party dead based on one week of election results last month may have been a bit premature?

    1. Irish   11 years ago

      Hell, using the exact same tendency for extrapolation that the media used after McConnell's win, I hereby declare that the establishment is dead and the Tea Party will never lose another election.

      Can I be a reporter now?

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        Wait, you're not?

        *starts dismantling Irish Times printing press*

        1. Sudden   11 years ago

          Irish Times?

          That sounds more like a whiskey than a printing press.

          1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            I'm fairly certain they're the same thing in Ireland.

      2. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

        Can I be a reporter now?

        Can you slightly re-word and re-type a government press release? That seems to be the only required skill these days.

      3. Episiarch   11 years ago

        Have you been invited to JournoList? Are you functionally retarded? No to both? Then no.

    2. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

      "You mean that declaring the Tea Party dead based on one week of election results last month may have been a bit premature?"

      With a heavy side order of wishful thinking on the part of many.

    3. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

      Yeah I may have prematurely dejaculated when I got all depressed and called time on the TP a little while ago. Still not sure where it's going.

      BTW there is a 'sore loser' law in Virginia. Cantor can't run on a ballot.

      1. BigFire   11 years ago

        He cannot run as another party. The only work around is a write-in ballot, and his campaign does have enough money to do that. Since the whole point of his ascension is the (R) at the end of Virginia-7, that's to be seen.

  11. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

    Question now is does the GOP support Brat or do they try to throw the seat to keep the TP from gaining any momentum or influence?

    1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

      There is no Democrat opposing.

      1. Irish   11 years ago

        ^ This is a better reason Brat will win than the reason I gave.

      2. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

        The barbarians are at the gates!

        Seriously I have no idea who this Brat guy is, but I am definitely happy to see Cantor go. Even if he's a shitheel Brat won't have the position to cause any real trouble.

      3. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

        I think there is a dem opposing. He teaches at the same college Brat does. I'll google.

        1. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

          The Lady is correct:

          "The winner of the GOP primary will face Democratic Party nominee Jack Trammell ? a professor at Randolph-Macon College, the same school where Brat works ? in the general election this fall."

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html

          1. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

            Ahhh, yes. I couldn't find it. Thanks, Bo.

          2. Corning   11 years ago

            Two community college profs battling it out?

            Best election contest EVER!!!

            1. Bill Dalasio   11 years ago

              Not really a community college. It's a small liberal arts college. They used to be my college's rival.

    2. Irish   11 years ago

      The district is a 75% white R +10.

      I legitimately don't think it would be possible to throw that district, especially given that the president's party usually under performs at midterms.

    3. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      They tried this in FL already and the guy won anyway. I think we are seeing the death of the establishment repubs.

  12. Bo Cara Esq.   11 years ago

    The trailers before the X-men movie I watched today indicate that Michael Bay is doing both another Transformers movie AND the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

    After seeing that, a Hillary Clinton Presidency might just be anti-climatic in apocalyptic terms.

    1. Jordan   11 years ago

      And the TMNT costumes look like utter shit. At least the Transformers themselves look badass.

      1. Corning   11 years ago

        And the TMNT costumes look like utter shit.

        you mean CGI skins (think Golom in LoTR) not costumes.

    2. MJGreen   11 years ago

      He's not directing the TMNT movie. I think it's actually his stunt coordinator directing it. If that makes it better or worse, I don't know.

      1. Episiarch   11 years ago

        So it'll be Michael Bay Lite. Yay.

        1. Corning   11 years ago

          What if I said Bay movies on average are better then Joss movies?

          "You know what happens to a toad when it is struck by lightning?"

    3. Corning   11 years ago

      Michael Bay is doing

      Pretty sure both are already made.

  13. Agammamon   11 years ago

    See! This just goes to show how important money is to politics. Government matching funding now!.

    1. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

      I wished our government was matched to it's funding..

  14. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

    Brat is an economics professor. Probably not a Keynesian. Good for VA.

    1. UnCivilServant   11 years ago

      No guarantees just by the job title. My econ professor was a Keynesian. From the rest of his platform, Brat probably isn't but the job doesn't say anything either way.

  15. Tak Kak   11 years ago

    I'm going to credit Drudge and Breitbart for continually pushing those immigrant warehousing stories.

    Still, I do enjoy an upset.

    1. Corning   11 years ago

      You would be wrong.

      How big of an issue do you really think immigration reform in Virginia is?

      If I had to guess extending the debt limit was more of a factor.

  16. BSubversive.com   11 years ago

    There's only one thing better than an incumbent loosing an election.

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Laser light shows at the planetarium?

      1. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

        Percocet?

        1. BSubversive.com   11 years ago

          Fine. There are only two things better than an incumbent loosing.

          1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            Maybe consolidate? Taking Percocet before settling in for a laser light show at the planetarium?

            1. BSubversive.com   11 years ago

              I've not done that in 30 years, the last time I was there to review it for my HS paper, but it was LSD not percs, although the percs would go quite well with the acid.

            2. Episiarch   11 years ago

              If you're going to take some Perc before a laser light show, you'd better get stoned too. And have a little booze as well. And then you're talking.

              1. thom   11 years ago

                Percocet is full of acetaminophen. Mix it with booze only if you want to pulverize your liver.

      2. Vulgar Madman   11 years ago

        Isn't that pronounced, planet arium?

    2. Trials and Trippelations   11 years ago

      A good beer?

      1. Agammamon   11 years ago

        Three things, there are three things better than an incumbent losing. Laser light shows at the Planetarium, Percocet, and beer.

        And internet porn *DAMN!*

      2. Sudden   11 years ago

        A good beer, yes. A Trippel? Meh.*

        *I kid, as I'm planning to do an Alllagash Curieux clone this month.

        1. Trials and Trippelations   11 years ago

          God, I miss homebrewing.

    3. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      Crushing one's enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of the women?

      1. Sudden   11 years ago

        obligatory +1 for Conan quote

        1. JagerIV   11 years ago

          you barbaric savage, miss identifying the great words the that Humanitarian Gengis Kan as those of a loincloth wearing barbarian with an Austrian accent.

          For shame.

    4. MJGreen   11 years ago

      Hitler?

    5. Mickey Rat   11 years ago

      How is a politician setting an election free better than most everything?

  17. John   11 years ago

    Lol. Fuck these crap weasels. They all need to go.

  18. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

    I'm sure Cantor sucked and he's been around way too long, but how bad was he really? It seemed like there was a lot worse. I am disturbed that the moving issue seemed to be more retarded hysteria over amnesty and how DREAMers are ruining America. This might just be bordertards trying to seize this victory as their own.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      You don't get to pick black swans.

      Apparently Brat has been complaining about NSA, as well.

    2. John   11 years ago

      Amnesty is wildly unpopular in a lot of places. Cantor made himself Mr Amnesty. It won him the beltway douche bag vote but not the votes that counted.

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        Amnesty is wildly unpopular amongst the section of the population that has gone Full Retard over it. Most people-I think polls say something over 80%-don't care about immigration.

        1. Irish   11 years ago

          Most people-I think polls say something over 80%-don't care about immigration.

          Most people don't care about immigration enough to change their vote based on it, but most people are against increased immigration.

          Source.

          It's a lot closer than it used to be, but 71% of people are still in favor of keeping immigration the same or decreasing it.

          1. Kristine   11 years ago

            And most people are against amnesty.

            I don't expect illegal immigration to matter much to those living in non-border states, but for anyone to dismiss the whole issue as retarded hysteria is, well, retarded.

            1. Apatheist ?_??   11 years ago

              I live in a border state and I dismiss it as retarded hysteria.

              1. Corning   11 years ago

                Me too...but it boarders with Canada...

                Honestly I should care...those dirty Canucks are spread diseases.

        2. John   11 years ago

          I a pretty sure Ca for would disagree with that assessment. Maybe people like you and your "go fuck yourself you dumb hillbillies" approach are not helping the cause

        3. John   11 years ago

          And your butt hurt and tears over this are delicious.

          1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

            What butthurt? What tears? You sure are quick to fantasize.

        4. XM   11 years ago

          People are generally for amnesty. Even the party is moving in that direction.

          But it's not a game changer in terms of votes.

      2. Sticky Fingaz   11 years ago

        I think this is about right.

        I wish it weren't. Brat has some pretty strong economic libertarian ties.

        He's part of the BB&T program for the Study of Capitalism, has written on Ayn Rand, and the compatibility of Adam Smith and Judeo-Christian ethics.

        He's spoken at Cato.

        On the social side, he's a pro-life yokeltarian but he also puts in a good word for the 10th Amendment on his Issues page.

        1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

          Maybe he's faking? Hidden open-borders agenda?

    3. Kristine   11 years ago

      Retarded hysteria?

      I live in Arizona. It's not hysteria, it's a real problem.

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        No it isn't. People like you and the policies you support are the problem.

      2. PapayaSF   11 years ago

        Kristine is correct, Cytotoxic is not.

        1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

          Nope the evidence backs me 100%. All of the 'problems' of illegal immigration are created by the policies that the tards screaming about the problems supported in the first place.

          1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

            Please explain how the recent influx of unaccompanied minors is a result of the policies of people who don't like mass immigration of illegals.

    4. Corning   11 years ago

      but how bad was he really?

      He was the houses majority leader.

      So all those shitty things done to keep tea party out and blocked was done by him. And all that caving into Obama and the dems was him.

      retarded hysteria over amnesty

      The issue is not immigration. All politics are local. I seriously doubt Virginia republicans give a shit about it.

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        You've convinced me to be happy.

  19. Fluffy   11 years ago

    But wait -

    They told me that the Tea Party was an astroturf front for big money in politics. And that money drowned out political participation.

    So how...did the Tea Party guy...spend $200,000 on mailers, against $5.4 million spent by an incumbent and win?

    I iz confused.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      It's like how President Romney bought the last election.

      1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

        He was the incumbent right?

      2. Whahappan?   11 years ago

        Yeah, he outspent Obama what, 10-1, 20-1 or something.

    2. Mokers   11 years ago

      Racism, war on women, corporations. They will find something to explain this away.

    3. C. Anacreon   11 years ago

      I'm confused too. I thought Citizens United meant big money would control all politics and elections forever.

    4. HazelMeade   11 years ago

      Apparently mailers are very effective.

  20. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    No Party, No Problem, No Kennedy Cold Open

  21. Fluffy   11 years ago

    Wow, this Brat guy has potential. Thanks, Google.

  22. John   11 years ago

    If only the dems would start primarying their various assholes Sadly most dems are too far gone for that.

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      Dem voters vote they way they are told.

  23. MSimon   11 years ago

    Cantor on Drugs: http://www.ontheissues.org/va/....._Drugs.htm

    NORML rates him at -20 i.e. staunch prohibitionist.

    1. Sticky Fingaz   11 years ago

      This makes me sad. I used to go to the same synagogue as him and was pretty close with his brother. 🙁

  24. Harvard   11 years ago

    Immigration policy, the one reason I shy away from the Libertarian vote.

    1. Corning   11 years ago

      Tulpa?

      1. Knarf the Yenrabian   11 years ago

        filtername

      2. Harvard   11 years ago

        Nah. Oft times idiotic positions on zero zoning will do it too.

  25. Kristine   11 years ago

    I think it's a beautiful thing seeing $200k defeat $5.4M. I'm not talking about the specific people in the race, I'm only commenting about the Big Dog losing to the Underdog and in such a HUGE way.

    It just goes to show that ANY American who wants to make a difference, who wants to run for office, can't use the excuse about being outspent by the establishment. It can be done.

    1. Sticky Fingaz   11 years ago

      We should have 1000 member of the House of Representatives. Then this sort of thing would happen more often.

  26. Kaptious Kristen   11 years ago

    There is only one incumbent (maybe two - I don't know too much about Massie) in the House that I would be upset about losing. Cantor most certainly ain't it.

    1. Some call me Tim?   11 years ago

      Well, Justin does hold a 20 point lead over Ellis...but that's no lock at this stage.

  27. croaker   11 years ago

    http://www.nocturnar.com/image.....nelson.png

  28. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    There's one Cantor who will be singing soprano from now on, lol

    trytheveal.com

  29. Tony   11 years ago

    Immigration matters to Latinos and white xenophobes. Obviously it's time to shore up the white xenophobe vote.

    1. Corning   11 years ago

      Virginia does not boarder Mexico.

      Not even lying. You can check it yourself on a map.

    2. neoteny   11 years ago

      Can I immigrate to Mexico or Honduras or Guatemala or some other Central or Latin American country just by entering? If not, does that make the population of those countries xenophobes?

      1. SIV   11 years ago

        "Why do they hate pale people...and browner people...and lighter brown people...and yellow people?"

  30. Vampire   11 years ago

    Later Cantor. The redemocrasocialans are loosing their grip lol.

  31. eyeroller   11 years ago

    Brat is clearly a top-notch economist. Just look at his website:

    "Adding millions of workers to the labor market will force wages to fall and jobs to be lost."

  32. HazelMeade   11 years ago

    I don't know how you can call someone a "libertarian" if he is anti-immigration.

    Being anti-immigration means you are in favor of having to ask permission from the government before exchanging money for work.

    1. Azathoth!!   11 years ago

      Except he's not 'anti-immigration'.

      He's anti illegal immigration.

      There is a difference.

      1. Christophe   11 years ago

        If most immigration is illegal, and you're against changing that, what are you really?

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