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Politics

Why is the U.S. Getting Involved in the Nigerian Schoolgirl Kidnapping Case?

Nick Gillespie | 5.9.2014 11:01 AM

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Hashtag activism may feel good, but trending Twitter topics should not substitute for thoughtful foreign policy, especially involving interventions that involve members of the U.S. military.

From my latest column at Time:

"It's a heartbreaking situation, outrageous situation," said President Barack Obama, referring to the kidnapping of more than 250 schoolgirls in Nigeria by the radical terrorist group Boko Haram.

That's absolutely true, but why in the world is Obama directly involving the U.S.—"we've already sent…a combination of military, law enforcement, and other agencies"–in the search for the girls, who are reportedly being sold into slavery?

The goal of our foreign policy, and especially interventions involving soldiers, should always be tightly tied to protecting American lives, interests and property. If the past dozen years and actions of the two most recent presidents should have taught us anything, it's that the U.S. is not particularly adept at solving its own domestic problems, much less those in faraway lands….

Involving ourselves in Nigeria will create yet one more distraction for a government that hasn't figured out how to deal with far more consequential situations involving Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Russia and Venezuela, not to mention myriad domestic problems.

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  1. Drake   11 years ago

    I say we send over the next SWAT that kills an old lady or shoots a dog. They get to come home when all the girls are rescued.

  2. Restoras   11 years ago

    Why outrage over kidnapped girls and not murdered boys? At least the girls are still alive and have a chance for life if they are freed, escape, or otherwise emancipated.

    1. John   11 years ago

      Because girls rule Restoras. Those boys were just future rapists anyway.

    2. RBS   11 years ago

      I thought they turned the boys into child soldiers or is that a different African shithole?

      1. Drake   11 years ago

        They become Unsullied.

        1. Tim   11 years ago

          Notify Daenerys Targaryen.

    3. guru   11 years ago

      It does kind of make it hard to take the pandering slacktivism seriously.

      I think its primarily about pandering to the single white feminists and their moral preening. Hashtags don't mean having to engage in combat with dangerous people who have nothing to lose.

  3. John   11 years ago

    Aren't these assholes in Nigeria thanks to our intervention in Libya or am I think of some other group of assholes who left Libya after Gadaffi was overthrown?

    1. Bardas Phocas   11 years ago

      There is some evidence that a few of them were fighters for one side or the other in the libyian adventure. Better evidence is that the leftover weaponry is flowing out of Libya and arming rebels and bandits like these all over western and northern africa. The price of AKs and RPGs has dropped to rockbottom so every neighborhood thug gets one.

      1. Paul.   11 years ago

        bandits like these all over western and northern africa.

        There are no bandits in west and north Africa.

    2. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Not really, no. You're thinking of Mali.

      Anyway, Nigeria has had its own civil-war between Christians and Islamists for ~15 years already =

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....in_Nigeria

      1. John   11 years ago

        Yeah, it is Mali. I wasn't sure.

    3. Edwin   11 years ago

      basically whereever there are muslims, they are fucking with everyone else because all those other people aren't muslim

      And of course, we don't do anything about it because... because...?

  4. JohnTheRevelator   11 years ago

    "tightly tied to protecting American lives, interests and property."

    One thing I've learned being a parent and member of, for example, our local school community, is that you have to be involved in the community in order to have 'pull' when you eventually need it.

    In other words, it can be worth judiciously lending a hand in situations like this one, in order to make friends who will in turn help you out when you're behind the 8-ball.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      "One thing I've learned being a parent and member of, for example, our local school community, is that you have to be involved in the community in order to have 'pull' when you eventually need it.
      In other words, it can be worth judiciously lending a hand in situations like this one, in order to make friends who will in turn help you out when you're behind the 8-ball."

      In which case, I suggest you and the local PTA hie yourself right on over there. On your dime.

      1. JohnTheRevelator   11 years ago

        Who said go over there? A couple hours of the NSA's time is all it should take to point the locals in the right direction. And we get to be heros who helped bring the girls home. That's an easy score with a great ROI.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          Call me skeptical, but I'll bet the NSA is 'way better at collecting the info than finding a way to act properly on it.
          See, oh the Boston bombing for example.

          1. JohnTheRevelator   11 years ago

            Okay, so collect the info and hand it out to folks who aren't so squeamish about rounding up all the young Dzokhars in the area and working out which of them is the one they want.

            Giving out free limited subscriptions to actionable intelligence has been a nice, bloodless (for us) way to do business in the past. We should get back to basics.

    2. Episiarch   11 years ago

      When and how exactly are the Nigerians going to help us out in return? What possible "8-ball" can we be behind that they could have some assistance to give? Your analogy is nonsensical.

      1. Tim   11 years ago

        Think of the grateful Libyans, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Egyptians, Turks, ...FRENCH!

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          "...FRENCH!"

          Hey, maybe they'll call 'em American Fries in gratitude!

      2. Tonio   11 years ago

        Oil? That's all I can come up with.

      3. Brett L   11 years ago

        Also, 8-ball? Racist, yo.

  5. JohnZeus   11 years ago

    I think the answer is pretty obvious. Obama has 2 young daughters, and he has shown an amazing propensity to take things personally in his job as POTUS. And for a Lefty, he has also shown a Neocon-like willingness to use the military as a police force worldwide. Well, except when it's right before his own re-election and Muslim terrorists are busy killing Americans in their own compound. Then it's all about horrible right-wing video makers, don't ya know.

  6. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Michelle's twitter poster sealed it for me. I mean, who wouldn't be moved by such sophisticated oratorical persuasion?

    1. kinnath   11 years ago

      I thought that I had finally reached the point where I couldn't have a lower opinion of the Wookie. Then, I saw the twitter post. January 2017 can not come soon enough.

      1. Episiarch   11 years ago

        I've never been so glad about the existence of the 22nd Amendment.

        1. Marshall Gill   11 years ago

          You say that but what if the Wookie decided to run?

          The first woman who is also black? And she has experience because she is the First Lady, don'tcha know. Things could always, always be worse.

          1. Episiarch   11 years ago

            Honestly, I don't think she could possibly win. She has the charisma of a Sarlacc.

            1. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

              She's more charismatic than Hillary. Never underestimate the ability of media and other assorted interests to push, pull and drag their chosen one over the finish line.

              1. Sevo   11 years ago

                Lady Bertrum|5.9.14 @ 12:00PM|#
                "She's more charismatic than Hillary."

                Well, yeah, but so is the Wicked Witch of the West.

    2. Sevo   11 years ago

      Gee, I'm sorry I missed that. I'm sure it was well thought out and persuasive, right?
      Sorta like FOR THE CHILDRUNZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!

      1. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

        I'm sorry I missed it, too.

        I'm even sorrier I just looked it up.

        Michelle haz a sad.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          Gee, I'm sorry I missed it again.

          1. wareagle   11 years ago

            oh, yeah; big frowny face. Like the Bokos didn't eat their veggies level of frowny.

  7. R C Dean   11 years ago

    I like the idea of putting out a call for SWAT team volunteers. This isn't really warfighting, but a law enforcement/hostage rescue deal, and we are covered up with highly trained, motivated, skilled, and armed LEOs who are experts on hostage rescue, right? Isn't that what all the SWATties are?

    So lets see how many of them are willing to back up their big yaps and go into the jungle after some actual schoolgirl hostages being raped and abused by actual psychopaths. If this isn't an absurdly perfect example of precisely why we militarized our police, I don't know what is.

    Any SWAT unit that doesn't volunteer, gets disbanded.

    1. Mongo   11 years ago

      I agree!

    2. John   11 years ago

      I like that idea except that if we are going to do something here, I would like us to do something that gives the kidnapped girls at least some chance of survival. I really can't see turning those trigger happy untrained apes lose ending well for anyone including the girls.

    3. Sy   11 years ago

      And bring back our troops to guard our monocle factories and dispensaries!!

  8. Mongo   11 years ago

    I was Libertarian-Interventionist before those Euro-fuckups claimed they were helpless during the Yugoslavian wars which had me re-thinking military adventurism.

    On this case, I do feel we should get involved. (The kidnapping specifically - nothing else.)

    Africa can't handle it alone and it would be good practice for us.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      "On this case, I do feel we should get involved. (The kidnapping specifically - nothing else.)"

      'Just one more hit, and I promise I'll quit!'

      1. Mongo   11 years ago

        Operation: African Meth.

    2. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Good practice how?!? On how to get involved in some fucking shithole quagmire again?

      1. Bean Counter   11 years ago

        Yeah, I would have thought Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc would have been enough practice. we've pretty much got it down pat now.

        1. Mongo   11 years ago

          Those are military ops. This is a rescue.

          Imagine Rand Paul riding a drone a la Slim Pickens into Deep Darkest Africa and swooping up the grils.

          Libertarian PR gold!

          1. Tonio   11 years ago

            Those are military ops. This is a rescue.

            True, in that we're not going up against a nation-state. But sub-national groups like BH often have numbers and firepower equivalent to a very small national army, say that of San Marino (completely unresearched guess).

            Plus, since BH is operates in Nigeria, Cameroon and Niger it could become more of a military op. While the Nigerians seem glad to have us, not sure about the other two nations.

            1. Mongo   11 years ago

              Then it's no deal.

            2. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

              I suspect they're stronger than the San Marino army.

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        We can always get better!

      3. R C Dean   11 years ago

        I don't see why wiping out Boko Haram needs to escalate into full-scale nation-building.

        And, yeah, I'm thinking a nice, contained action in the jungle would give us some practice we might need, since we've been fighting mostly in deserts.

        If the locals request our assistance, I wouldn't object to a volunteer force with the sole mission of killing every member of Boko Haram they can find until the girls are rescued. I'm betting every single Force Recon Marine would volunteer.

        1. Episiarch   11 years ago

          Who the fuck cares what you don't see? You're not the one making decisions. Did the Mogadishu debacle have anything to do with nation-building? Jesus Christ, do you ever learn? Ever?

          I'm betting every single Force Recon Marine would volunteer

          Why? Because you romanticize the shit out of them? What an absurd, ridiculous statement. Who the fuck cares if they volunteer? It's still US forces being sent. It's like you're incapable of learning from mistakes when it comes to the military. Then all of a sudden they're infallible. They're as government as it gets, but in this case, you believe in the government. Amazing.

          1. R C Dean   11 years ago

            Epi, I'm not saying that I trust this administration to do it right.

            I'm saying that its possible to do it right, and I have no objection in principle to a volunteer force invited into the country to deal with this in a contained and limited fashion.

            I know Force Recon Marines. Hell, I was raised by a Marine. I don't romanticize them, but I do recognize a mission they would be delighted to carry out and would be very effective at.

            Its a shame, really, that we can't do anything about this. Sure, its not in line with my usual position on when to use the military, but fuck me, hundreds of girls being raped and sold into slavery? I have a really hard time just shrugging it off.

            1. UCrawford   11 years ago

              The U.S. military doesn't do volunteer task forces like that. And based on the large number of Marines I know and have worked with, most wouldn't give a shit about Nigeria and certainly wouldn't volunteer to go there to get malaria and dysentery for the President's current fetish. Those with Afghanistan and Iraq experience have already been to war plenty.

              Epi's right...you're romanticizing it. The only option that makes sense is privately-funded mercenaries...because this isn't our government's responsibility or problem to deal with. About the only advantage to it would be karma points to negotiate trade agreements, but the Nigerian government isn't really going to cut what they charge us just because the kids of a bunch of political nobodies got rescued. Nigeria's government (like most) doesn't operate on gratitude.

        2. Tonio   11 years ago

          I don't see why wiping out Boko Haram needs to escalate into full-scale nation-building.

          Of course you don't, RC. Because you're not an interventionist, nation-building type of guy. Unlike this administration. Remember, nation-building is simply the ultimate extension of the busybodyism that is so beloved by the progs.

    3. airforce   11 years ago

      We really have no business being over there. But in this one particular case, I'm just not going to get too worked up over it. There are people who really shouldn't be breathing our air, and these Boko Haram gentlemen are a perfect case in point.

    4. Mr. Soul   11 years ago

      Re: practice

      How far is Nigeria from Entebbe, cuz I know a well practiced team?

      1. Tonio   11 years ago

        Yeah, that would be a stupendously stupid move since it would radicalize even more muslims.

  9. VicRattlehead   11 years ago

    Obama sure didnt give a shit about the appx. 500 women and children we uncovered in counter piracy operations in the African sea all stuffed into a fishing dow... clearly human trafficking yet what were our orders from high.... stand down.
    this is only getting attention because the cameras are on, chocolate nixon doesn't give half a shit about human lives and hes proven that time and again.
    Usurper in chief- treasonous coward, villainous sociopath, and destroyer of the free world

    1. Bean Counter   11 years ago

      I'm guessing you didn't vote for him.

    2. John   11 years ago

      It is all about Obama. Everyone in the world exists to either reflect his glory or provide an opportunity for him to show his greatness.

      Didn't you know that?

  10. Tim   11 years ago

    He thought they said "4Loko Haram" and that's all it took for Federal action.

    1. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

      Nice. 😛

    2. Tonio   11 years ago

      Good one.

    3. Swiss Servator, CH yeah!   11 years ago

      Zing!

  11. WDATPDIM?!   11 years ago

    How can you even think of not lifting a finger to help those poor girls? What kind of a monster are you?!

  12. Lord Humungus   11 years ago

    Those Nigerian Princes' need to spend that swag somehow.

  13. DJF   11 years ago

    Why have an US Africa Command if we are not going to use it /s

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.....ca_Command

    1. Drake   11 years ago

      Last time an Africom Commander tried to rescue people (Benghazi) he was summarily relieved of command.

  14. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    While I empathize, and these people are definitely shitbags that need some killin...where does one draw the line and what are the moral implications of acting.

    Is the US to respond to EVERY crisis throughout the world? How big a crisis does it need to be to become involved? And bottom line, how much will we spend on protecting those that provide nothing in return?

    The only legitimate reason to have a government is to protect the rights of its citizens. Doing so costs money. I don't see these countries chipping in.

    It's bad enough the US is paying to militarily protect Europe with little or no recompense. Now we are going to be the world's cops solely on our dime?

    What could go wrong?

    1. Tim   11 years ago

      The Africans won't protect their own children, nor will Russia or China act altruistically. Americans got that market cornered.

  15. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Alt Text should have been =

    Wu-Tang Clan Aint Nothin' To Fuck With

    1. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

      Speaking of the Wu. If you don't already, be sure to follow Wu-Tang Finance on Twitter. Libertarian, hilarious, and gangster as fuck.

    2. Fr?ulein Nikki   11 years ago

      GILMORE, I really liked your graphic from the other night, BTW. But too bad it wasn't fully rap-styled.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Whut?

        https://imgflip.com/i/8oja1

  16. Bean Counter   11 years ago

    "Involving ourselves in Nigeria will create yet one more distraction for a government.."
    I think that's the answer, right there.
    And, might I add......Duh!

  17. DesigNate   11 years ago

    Damnit Nick, you're proving just how much we libertarians DON'T care about the children. Or something.

  18. Game of Thrones fan   11 years ago

    Barack Obama, First of His Name, Warden of the Entire World and Breaker of (Nigerian) Chains

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      And protector of the realm.

  19. Drake   11 years ago

    African Muslims (Obama's ancestors) have been selling Sub-Saharan African slaves to North Africa and the Middle East ever since the flow of European slaves slowed up after the 9th Century.

    European traders tapped into that slave trade for a few centuries, then got out of it (and have been on a guilt-trip ever since). But the trade itself started much earlier and continued much later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

    1. John   11 years ago

      Funny how the slavery victim industry in this country forgets that. As bad as the middle passage was, the passage north across the Sahara was much worse. The Arabs were much more brutal and enslaved black Africans for much longer than the West ever did.

      1. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

        So I knew nothing about that, and I doubt I'm alone. I suspect the reason it isn't talked about is because it isn't relevant for the history of slavery in North America. Or am I missing something?

        1. John   11 years ago

          It is not strictly relevant to the history of North America, but it is very relevant to the history of slavery in Africa as a whole. It is also relevant to the conflict between the West and Islam.

          One of the reasons why the Europeans got pulled into the Middle East was to stop the slave trade. Before the oil age, there really wasn't anything there worth having.

        2. Drake   11 years ago

          Why teach inconvenient truths in school? The progressive narrative might get muddied up.

          1. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

            I don't see how this is inconvenient. Not everything is a conspiracy.

            1. Drake   11 years ago

              You don't think CAIR would consider this an inconvenient and probably Islamiphobic subject?

              You think American black "civil rights" hucksters want to even admit that it was Africans selling Africans to slave traders?

              1. John   11 years ago

                And lets not forget that the Ottomans enslaved so many people from the coasts of Italy, France and Spain during the 15th and 16th Centuries, the coasts became nearly uninhabited as the people there were either enslaved or moved somewhere where the Ottoman pirates couldn't get to them.

                They will never make it, but there is a great movie to be made about the Ottoman Siege of Malta and the Knights of St. John's defense of it. Great story but it would contain too many inconvenient truths for Hollywood ever to make it.

                1. Sevo   11 years ago

                  I'm pretty sure the Ottomans capturing Slavs are the source of the term "slave".

                  1. mgd   11 years ago

                    Not Ottomans specifically. It started with Otto the Great a couple-three hundred years earlier. But yes, Slavs.

                2. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

                  "They will never make it, but there is a great movie to be made about the Ottoman Siege of Malta and the Knights of St. John's defense of it. Great story but it would contain too many inconvenient truths for Hollywood ever to make it."

                  I smell a Kickstarter campaign!

                  I read about this siege in a 19th century history. Impressive!

                  1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

                    And here's the thing - Chinese moviemakers are happy to tap into their own history of military monks as a source of stirring (if not strictly historical) adventure tales, so why can't the West do adventure stories about its own military monastic orders?

                    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

                      One would think that European filmmaker would jump at the chance to glorify this part of their heritage, rather than just crank out movies about wife-swapping, cross-dressing landscape painters.

                      /sarc

              2. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

                It would probably depend on how and why it was brought up. If it were in a textbook/class on the history of North Africa, I honestly don't think it would be a very big issue. If it were simply brought up to show that Europeans were bad, but African Muslims (Obama's ancestors!) were worse, then yeah, it would probably cause a ruckus.

                1. Virginian   11 years ago

                  If it were simply brought up to show that Europeans were bad, but African Muslims (Obama's ancestors!) were worse

                  It's not about bad and worse, it's about objective fact.

                  Slavery predates written language. Hell, Neanderthals kept slaves. It has been practiced by every single culture around the world.

                  1. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

                    Looking back at the original post, it pretty much was a statement of objective fact. What then kickstarted this subthread was

                    Funny how the slavery victim industry in this country forgets that. As bad as the middle passage was, the passage north across the Sahara was much worse. The Arabs were much more brutal and enslaved black Africans for much longer than the West ever did.

                    And I'm left wondering why that is relevant. Somebody brought up the thousands who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan as proof of the R's hypocrisy in the Benghazi thread yesterday and (rightly) got destroyed for it, because it isn't relevant to the rightness or wrongness of this administration's response, whatever it was.

                    So what is the point of bringing up the Muslim slave trade and how much worse it was than the European slave trade, other than to kick dirt on progressives and this administration's response to the Boko kidnappings?

                    1. Drake   11 years ago

                      My point was that this is not a new development. History hasn't ended, just the honest study of it.

                  2. Tonio   11 years ago

                    Slavery predates written language. Hell, Neanderthals kept slaves.

                    Probably, but without written language impossible to say definitively.

                    It has been practiced by every single culture around the world.

                    Again, hard to prove without written records, but yes, it has been common throughout recorded history.

                2. Mr. Soul   11 years ago

                  'nother thing.

                  I remember reading somewhere that Arab slave owners in the 17/18th century neutered their slaves versus the western practice of raising next gen slaves. This would certainly figure into why you don't hear reparations talk from slave descendants in Saudi.

                  1. Tonio   11 years ago

                    There are currently slaves in Saudi. It's apparently still quite legal, just not talked about.

                  2. Drake   11 years ago

                    Because Muslims aren't supposed to kill each other, they often fought each other with slave armies - hence the Egyptian Mamluk and Ottoman Janissaries.

                    After a peace treaty, they would disarm by castrating or just slaughtering the slave-soldiers.
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk

                    1. steve baker   11 years ago

                      Um ... shouldn't "disarm" by castrating be "dismember"?

          2. Calidissident   11 years ago

            This is the conservative equivalent of liberals whining about how schools focus too much on the history of Europe and Western Civilization. In a country that was born out of Western Civilization, it's not surprising that history classes will disproportionately focus on that history. That also means that it's going to disproportionately focus on the atrocities committed by Western countries. Why would the Arab slave trade get even a fraction of the amount of attention the Atlantic slave trade does in the US?

        3. wareagle   11 years ago

          if you knew that someone other than the colonials had been involved in any trading of slaves at any point in time, the griefer industry would lose clout. And the pearl-clutching about the inherent unfairness of America would look even more foolish.

          1. Tonio   11 years ago

            ^This.

      2. Drake   11 years ago

        Yep - notice the distinct lack of black people in the Middle East despite millions shipped there as slaves?

        1. John   11 years ago

          Funny that, isn't it?

    2. WDATPDIM?!   11 years ago

      But Christianity is the religion of The Man.

    3. creech   11 years ago

      Alex Haley was shocked by this and admitted such in "Roots."

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        "Alex Haley was shocked by this and admitted such in "Roots.""

        Alex Haley = "historian" like Michale Moore = "documentary film maker".

        1. John   11 years ago

          And that is such a tragedy. There is a compelling story to be told about slavery. Sadly, that story has been largely ignored because Haley's fairytale was so popular and well known.

          I don't understand why he didn't think the truth was enough. It is slavery for God's sake. The people who practiced it are never going to come off well. And lying to cover up that Africans enslaved each other didn't make the Europeans who did it look any worse than they already did and just made his whole story a needless lie.

          1. Sevo   11 years ago

            John|5.9.14 @ 12:11PM|#
            "And that is such a tragedy."...

            Similarly, the disastrous communist experiment gets largely ignored; we have a slimeball who shows up here and unashamedly promotes that system.
            I don't know why. Public schools and the resultant lack of educational competition have something to do with it, but I doubt that's the total.

    4. Calidissident   11 years ago

      The Arab slave trade was mostly in East Africa, the Atlantic Slave trade was concentrated in West Africa. It isn't accurate to simply say the Europeans jumped into the middle of the Arab slave trade, they were for the most part different things. Not all of the sellers were African either. I'm not really sure how this is relevant, in any case.

  20. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

    Issue something along the lines of a letter of marque. That way it is all nice and legal, and volunteers can go over and do their thing. Let it be known that any US military, intelligence, or law enforcement personnel that want to volunteer will be given leave.

    But I know that's not going to happen. And as foreign interventions go, this one doesn't really raise my ire. This Boko group sounds like almost the definition of evil, and this kidnapping is pretty heinous.

    1. John   11 years ago

      People bitched and moaned about Blackwater but wouldn't just hiring Blackwater to do this for the Nigerian government be the better way to go?

      1. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

        I wouldn't be shocked if they did it pro bono. The mercs could use some good PR.

    2. wareagle   11 years ago

      and the Boko group that Shrillary is now condemning is same Boko group her State Dept would not put on the terror watch list. Not that I want us doing anything but if you're going to keep lists of nasty outfits, it makes sense to include known nasty outfits.

      1. Mongo   11 years ago

        Nasty outfits also include pant suits.

        1. wareagle   11 years ago

          that would be a woman-made disaster. Say, is that a microaggression?

        2. Tonio   11 years ago

          I lol'd. Thanks, Mongo.

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        "and the Boko group that Shrillary is now condemning is same Boko group her State Dept would not put on the terror watch list."

        I'm beginning to wonder whether she's going to get the teflon treatment.
        I mean, we've already got "vast right-wing conspiracy" and "what difference, at this point, does it make?", but her trajectory doesn't yet seem to suffer.

        1. Tonio   11 years ago

          Another fake non-scandal, surely.

        2. wareagle   11 years ago

          I'd say this will happen without question. The media will be every bit as invested in pushing her as it was and has been with Obama. Opposition will be framed as sexist.

  21. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    The goal of our foreign policy, and especially interventions involving soldiers, should always be tightly tied to protecting American lives, interests and property.

    There is no higher priority American interest than getting (re)elected.

  22. antisocial-ist   11 years ago

    ?"we've already sent?a combination of military, law enforcement, and other agencies"

    Isn't that how our involvement in Vietnam started? Nope, nothing could possibly go wrong here.

    1. Drake   11 years ago

      That and a Democrat career politician President with his head shoved completely up his ass.

    2. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Learning from prior mistakes seems far too difficult for several people on this thread.

    3. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

      And I'm sure Congress was "consulted".

    4. Tonio   11 years ago

      I'm not sure if we sent law enforcement to Viet-Nam. It wasn't that sort of problem. We were propping up one side in a civil war.

  23. wareagle   11 years ago

    we "care" because these are black girls, which is why the Black Caucus saw fit to send out a few of its members to duly express their outrage. And we "care" because some distraction is needed from other things.

  24. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Speaking of meddlesome adventurism

    We had just returned to Miami from a U.S. government-sanctioned person-to-person trip to Cuba when we learned of our government's latest attempt to destabilize the government of Cuba.

    Called "ZunZuneo" for the sound made by the Cuban hummingbird, the monitored and manipulated Twitter-like text message service was covertly introduced to Cuba by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).

    The idea was to build up a critical mass of followers in Cuba with updates about sports, music and weather. But once the message service's reach was wide enough, operators planned to send political messages to incite a "Cuban Spring."

    As an economist who had the opportunity to observe, first-hand, the difficult transitions of China and Russia from state to largely market-based economies, I was astounded by the counter-productive actions of my government. On its own, Cuba was well into a carefully planned transition to a market-based economy. The only impact of additional U.S. meddling would be to set back this process.

    It's an incoherent jumble, but apparently we should leave Cuba alone because they are on the cusp of creating a Socialist paradise. Also, disruptive change breeds income inequality.

    Pay no attention to that crumbling impoverished slum behind the curtain.

    1. John   11 years ago

      I understand why bombing countries is often a bad idea and should not be undertaken lightly. I cannot for the life of me see why sending people in a a prison state like Cuba or North Korea the ability to communicate with each other and hopefully organize resistance to their evil governments would ever be considered a bad idea.

      The person writing that just thinks the Cuban government is great and doesn't like the idea of its victims standing up against it.

      1. Virginian   11 years ago

        If the US government is determined to spend billions on random shit, I think a satellite Internet system available to the whole world for free would be a hell of a boon to freedom and commerce.

        As for Cuba, take one of the Tomahawk bomblet dispensing models, and modify it to disperse little packages of small arms, and just constantly drop them into Havana. The regime would fall in a couple months.

    2. LynchPin1477   11 years ago

      Normalizing relations with Cuba and allowing trade and travel would probably do more to bring about a "Cuban Spring" than some half-baked version of Twitter.

  25. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Cuban economists feel that reform must be done carefully. As more people earn private sector salaries and business profits, taxes must be instituted in a thoughtful way. A real estate market must be developed in a manner designed to not dispossess the poor from their homes. A retirement system must be designed. Inherited rights to totally free health care and education must be reconsidered. Guidelines are being submitted for consensus and much of the labor force must be retrained for productive activities. Decentralization from central to local governments is a very important goal right now.

    -----------

    The eventual structure of Cuba's economy is not likely to mirror that of the U.S. It may be closer to the economies of Western Europe and could even have similarities with that of China. Cuban economists are studying the rapid development of countries such as South Korea for clues to their own potential. Recognizing the difficulties experienced by China and Russia as they moved toward market-driven economies, they want Cuba to move deliberately to minimize the destabilizing, demoralizing impact on a large segment of their population.

    Tell me again why we want to interfere with this process!

    1. John   11 years ago

      Cuba is on its way to opening up. They are just hard working socialist trying to make their way in the shadow of the evil Yankee dogs. They just shoot anyone who tries to leave the island because the US forces them to do it I guess.

    2. Sevo   11 years ago

      "Cuban economists feel that reform must be done carefully."

      Yeah, that "free market" has to be carefully planned and implemented by Top Men, or it'll be disorganized!
      And "Cuban Economists"? Care to give us an idea of who they are and how they qualify?

      1. Tonio   11 years ago

        I'm sure there are any number of them in the universities of South Florida.

  26. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Cuba is on its way to opening up.

    I have heard people say, out loud (I shit you not), "I want to go to Cuba and see it before KKKapitalism ruins it."

    Morons.

    1. Warty   11 years ago

      I've heard that too. But LITERACY! HEALTH CARE! Idiots.

    2. defsoad   11 years ago

      I'm guessing these are the same kind of people who visit super poor villages in rural Thailand and laud them for being "traditional" with no running water or electricity. Then, when these places later get these things, thereby greatly improving the lives of the villagers, these people lament how globalization is ruining everything.

      1. Tim   11 years ago

        "I'm texting all my friends in NYC about how you shit in buckets and then carry it to the rice paddy for fertilizer. So carbon neutral"

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        "I'm guessing these are the same kind of people who visit super poor villages in rural Thailand and laud them for being "traditional" with no running water or electricity."

        And I'm guessing they don't drink the "natural" water in those villages.

    3. Calidissident   11 years ago

      My Cuban friend (as well as my doctor, who is also Cuban) goes into a seething rage whenever anyone says something along those lines.

    4. jmomls   11 years ago

      I've heard people say the same thing about Burma.

  27. albo   11 years ago

    I think hashtag activists shouldn't be taken seriously until they've taking 8 weeks of Hashtag Bootcamp and passed the grueling 24-hour Feel-Good Minor Gesture Endurance Tweet.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      I say they be forced to listen to "We Are the World" at volume level 11 for 24 hours straight.

  28. Paul.   11 years ago

    Why is the U.S. Getting Involved in the Nigerian Schoolgirl Kidnapping Case?

    Because progressives are demanding it?

  29. Tman   11 years ago

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali had an editorial explaining further details about these Boko idiots this morning in the WSJ.

    Link-
    http://online.wsj.com/news/art.....reno64-wsj

    She had a great line that ended the piece which will of course go over the heads of all our bleeding heart liberal brethren.

    It is also time for Western liberals to wake up. If they choose to regard Boko Haram as an aberration, they do so at their peril. The kidnapping of these schoolgirls is not an isolated tragedy; their fate reflects a new wave of jihadism that extends far beyond Nigeria and poses a mortal threat to the rights of women and girls. If my pointing this out offends some people more than the odious acts of Boko Haram, then so be it.

  30. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Let's all go down and capitalism the shit out of Cuba!

    "Hey, Kid. Wanna make ten bucks?"

  31. Leigh   11 years ago

    I'd say we just air drop a crap load of guns and ammo to the villages around Nigeria and let them form their own posses and deal with the scum themselves.

  32. Amazed   11 years ago

    10's of thousands of young people are held by slavers in this country, having been imported either by trickery or illegally, against their will and are used for sex traffic, domestic servants, drug mules, and the like. Don't see Michelle getting her panties in a wad about that?

    1. Virginian   11 years ago

      10's of thousands of young people are held by slavers in this country

      Oh bullshit.

    2. Tonio   11 years ago

      While I agree that slavery does exist in this country, very much on the DL, I'd like to see some figures.

      There are occasional discoveries, such as the Shyima Hall case, and they are well-publicized. I would like to think the number is lower than tens of thousands, but am amenable to evidence to the contrary.

  33. Tonio   11 years ago

    I can think of one good thing that might come out of this if we recover some girls, disrupt BH, and don't cause even bigger problems doing so: Huge PR value in the muslim world, and helping to drive a wedge between the islamists and the moderate muslims.

    That still doesn't justify our involvement.

    1. Virginian   11 years ago

      helping to drive a wedge between the islamists and the moderate muslims.

      Hell, there are Al-Qaeda websites condemning these nutjobs right now. Actual radical Muslims, who cheer every prisoner the ones in Syria torture death, are all "dude not cool" when it comes to this schoolgirl kidnapping thing.

      1. Tonio   11 years ago

        That's surprising. Thanks.

    2. UCrawford   11 years ago

      The "Muslim world" (which is not actually a cohesive body) when it comes to gratitude, has an attention span of the common goldfish.

      It's very much a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mentality, only non-Muslim contributions get forgotten far faster. Even if we were to go in and rescue these girls and everything went perfectly, nobody aside from the kids' parents is going to care in a year. They remember the atrocities, not the good things.

      1. Tonio   11 years ago

        True about it not being monolithic.

        Also true about the whole gratitude thing, but that's not just them.

  34. Response   11 years ago

    That's it! I'm no longer going to help out that Nigerian prince.

  35. mickeyg   11 years ago

    Why don't we let Nigerian troops help out in Chicago?

  36. jmomls   11 years ago

    My favorite hashtag pic for these kidnapped gals was the one I saw this morning featuring Anthony Kiedis. Yeah, here's a guy who has probably had an orgy with 200 underage Nigerians and has enough money to buy them all from Boko Haram, but that sad face holding up the picture is all he can contribute.

  37. Response   11 years ago

    When I saw Michelle Obama's hashtag image, I almost felt sorry for the Pres... apparently even the Pres can be hashnagged by his own wife.

  38. Big Boy   11 years ago

    They should do what the former French colonies do, call on your big friend. This is a former British colony, they should request Britain to send a Squadron or 2 of the SAS to clean up the matter.

    Only if the Brits can't do it, should the US intervene. I suppose, however, we more easily than the Brits could send a entire Brigade of Black AMERICAN soldiers. Might be a big PR coup.

  39. Robert   11 years ago

    Same reason as when a child falls down a well and it gets publicity. As long as people have any sway over their gov't, authorities will compelled to expend disproportionate resources on well-publicized cases.

    At forum.officiating.com, officials will explain that although it's best for the game (whatever game) to not make chickenshit calls of things that don't affect the game, if it's before spectators and they see it, you've got to call it. In other words, the yahoo is always right. Att'n is a fickle thing, but a persuasive one.

  40. Robert   11 years ago

    If it were me, I'd just pay her parents to tell everyone their daughter came back to them alive & well, and had since then gone off to visit relatives at a secret location. In fact that's how I'd handle most crimes; cheaper & more effective than solving 'em!

  41. ejpoleii   11 years ago

    The US government should not directly assist but should allow private US organizations or individuals to help.

  42. John   11 years ago

    This is one place where mercenaries would serve a useful purpose. The government can't deal with these assholes on their own. Having the US or some other country do it creates a host of problems. So why not use mercenaries? Isn't that better than letting a foreign army onto your soil?

  43. Swiss Servator, CH yeah!   11 years ago

    And doesn't Triple Canopy and some other firms recruit from West Africa - local expertise!

  44. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

    No. But for the last 4 or 5 years I've been talking capitalism, libertarianism to my wife and barely made a dent. She follows Wu-Tang Finance for 5 months, and the message is really getting through.

    Wu-Tang Financial @Wu_Tang_Finance ? 17h
    I DONT SEE PEOPLE FROM FUCKIN COMMUNIST COUNTRIES MAKE IT FROM DRUG DEALER TO NEGOTIATING BILLION DOLLAR DEALS WITH APPLE #CAPITALISM #USA
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  45. John   11 years ago

    I like it too. Let our military concentrate on fighting the big force on force wars that losing would create and actual danger to the country's existence. Leave this piddly shit to private professionals.

  46. Mr. Soul   11 years ago

    send in Dog the Bounty Hunter or his parody - Tommy Hawk from Reno 911!

  47. UCrawford   11 years ago

    People bitched about Blackwater because Blackwater got caught lying about an incident where they opened fire on civilians and claimed it was self-defense. And because of the legal grey area that exists around armed military contractors in Iraq...essentially nobody was able to prosecute them for anything they did wrong.

  48. John   11 years ago

    Cuba is a paradise. The rest of the Caribbean is a shit hole compared to what Cuba was before Castro got a hold of it. If Cuba could ever get a free government, the US would be trying to stop immigration to Cuba. It is just a tragedy.

  49. John   11 years ago

    I have read that. And yeah maybe some day. There is a guy I work with who used to work for INS and did some refugee work in Cuba back in the 1990s. When he was down there his Cuban thug escorts let him visit Hemingway's old house. He said the place has been locked up and is exactly as he left it. There are books in the library signed by Cary Grant and other famous people. His manual typewriter that he used to write who knows how many things is still on the desk. It is a perfectly preserved time capsule.

    I would love to visit Cuba but will never do so as long as the Communists are in power. fuck them. I am not giving them a dime, ever.

  50. Virginian   11 years ago

    This is one place where mercenaries would serve a useful purpose.

    There's a lot of places mercenaries would serve a useful purpose.

    I never understood why killing for profit was evil, but killing because some megalomaniac politician or politicians said to is noble.

  51. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Yeah, put the mercenaries to good use. They can support themselves by selling Hollywood the rights to their story.

    (the first sentence was totally serious, the second sentence was half-serious)

  52. John   11 years ago

    Virginian,

    The problem with mercenaries is that they can get difficult to control. If people join out of loyalty to the country, they are not as likely to cause problems in peace time.

    Historically, mercenaries have had a bad habit of not wanting wars to end since it would put them out of a job. Their solution to that problem has often been to just turn on their masters and either loot or demand tribute for not looting.

    You really don't want a large force of mercenaries in your country. But a small force to handle things like this would be fine.

  53. Virginian   11 years ago

    The rest of the Caribbean is a shit hole compared to what Cuba was before Castro got a hold of it.

    Imperialism, blah blah, non interventionism, yes yes I know.

    We should have annexed Cuba when we had the chance.

  54. Calidissident   11 years ago

    I think you might be exaggerating how nice things were for Cubans under the Batista regime (both he and Castro are/were huge assholes, just different breeds), but I definitely agree that if they can ever be free of totalitarianism, it would be a very lovely place.

  55. Virginian   11 years ago

    The problem with mercenaries is that they can get difficult to control.

    That was true, I'd argue, centuries ago. Back then before the advent of the rifle.

    Any force of mercenaries in the US would find themselves utterly incapable of asserting control against the will of the populace, for the same reason that the "UN peacekeeper" conspiracy theories are so silly. Even a million man mercenary army united in their mission would have to assert control over 100 million armed Americans. Good luck with that.

  56. Emmerson Biggins   11 years ago

    That is an interesting description of the situation John. Doesn't actually sound too different from our current problem with the military industrial complex though.

  57. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Machiavelli pointed to mercenaries as part of the reason why Italy hadn't united in his lifetime.

  58. John   11 years ago

    They wouoldn't need to take over Virginian. They would just need to cause enough problems to make it worth it to pay them off.

    More importantly, mercenaries stopped being a problem not because of the rifle but because of the advent of stronger central governments and standing armies that could deal with them. They would never be a problem in a big country like the US. They could potentially be a huge problem in a smaller and poorer country. Again, the point is to loot and extort not take over.

  59. Virginian   11 years ago

    They would never be a problem in a big country like the US.

    They would be a huge problem in a country without a large population of armed citizens. Conversely, the Swiss have nothing to fear from mercenaries either, because they've got guns.

    They would just need to cause enough problems to make it worth it to pay them off.

    We deal in lead, friend.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GE9P56tK4o

    "Vive la mort, vive la guerre, vive le sacre mercenaire."

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