Police Abuse

Nearly Two Dozen Miami Dade Cops Fired 377 Rounds at Two Unarmed Men in a Car

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What might cause 23 police officers to fire 377 rounds in two volleys of gunfire into a car that held two unarmed men, one of whom was a suspect in an armed robbery? That's what happened in Miami-Dade County, Florida, in December. The suspect, Adrian Montesano, was also accused of shooting a police officer in a trailer park after the robbery. Witnesses said the early morning shooting scene resembled something out of the "wild, wild west," and that the two men in the car were alive after the first volley of gunfire. Two cops were also hit in the shooting, in the arm, with one also being grazed in the head. Both men, Montesano and his passenger, Corsini Valdes, not accused of any crime, were killed.

CBS4 in Miami has spent the last five months piecing together what happened that day. Here's what they found out:

The nature of the shooting suggests the officers lost sight of their own training and that the officers, caught up in the heat of the moment, failed to listen to their radios or coordinate their actions endangering not only their own lives but the lives of the public.

It is worth saying, none of this would have happened if Adrian Montesano had not made the decision to rob the Walgreens and shoot a police officer. None of those officers would have been in that backyard if it weren't for the actions of Montesano. But that does not absolve the officers of responsibility for their own conduct, as well.

Senior commanders admit they are very lucky more officers weren't seriously hurt or killed. Even more haunting is the danger the residents in the area faced. At the time of the shooting, parents were getting their kids ready for school and across the street men and women stood exposed on a Metrorail platform.

The incident is being reviewed by the Miami Dade Police Department and the state attorney, but those reviews, according to CBS4, could take years to complete. The robbery and subsequent shooting of a cop, CBS4 concluded, "sent officers across the county into a state of frenzy." Read the rest of CBS4's report here.

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50 responses to “Nearly Two Dozen Miami Dade Cops Fired 377 Rounds at Two Unarmed Men in a Car

  1. So – they broke the record that the Cleveland cops set when they fired – like – 160 rounds at some suspects in a car, hitting them – like – 3 times, or so?

    Good for you, Miami-Dade PD! At least you killed BOTH of your suspects, perps.

    1. You know what they call 377 shots in LA? The first clip.

      1. Just about. 16.4 rounds per cop.

      2. Especially since LA cops would be the sort to call a magazine a clip.

        1. lol…so at least there’s one other Firearm enthusiast that caught that.

          for everyone else
          a clip is a piece of preformed metal that holds the rounds in place for ease of loading into a magazine

          a magazine is the ejectable part of the gun that holds the rounds after they have been taken off the clip.

          yes i am aware that you were likely raised on doom and it is difficult to stray from that nomenclature but if were going to support gun rights it helps to get the terms right.

  2. The robbery and subsequent shooting of a cop, CBS4 concluded, “sent officers across the county into a state of frenzy.”

    Of course it did. The fucking cops aren’t even living in the real world any more. The tiniest, possibly nonexistent threat to their authoritah or lives now puts them into KILL KILL KILL mode, and they’re such untrained baboons that that means emptying their weapons in the general vicinity of anything they even fever dream might be a threat. This is only going to get worse. The only slight silver lining is that an increase in this shit should finally get the attention of the public, because the fucking pigs are such terrible shots that they endanger everyone in the vicinity. They’re going to kill people not even remotely associated with their target soon.

    1. Dude,

      How?!?

      Here in Watertown MA, we had a fucking police riot, where they shot each other, an FBI agent, the upper floors of homes in the middle of the night, rousted people out of their homes in gunpoint, broadcast bulletins containing implied threats that the citizenry could be killed if they ventured out of doors, and despite the fact that the target of their manhunt had escaped their cordon, the populace *cheered* them.

      1. Well, the Massholes do seem to have a little police wood.

        Boston Strong, bro!

        *shelters in place*

        1. They’re proud of the fact that they cowered in their homes.

          1. Well, their legions of brave donut makers, who risked life and limb to keep those Heroes In Blue? fed… the were a shining example to us all!

          2. didnt we do away with duck and cover training in the 60s?

      2. That was during a “crisis” where there had been a terrorist bombing. Yeah, it’s fucking absurd anyway, but there’s at least a fig leaf of an excuse.

        When they mow down some kids playing a yard over because they fire 400 shots at some unarmed suspects, there’s not going to be a fucking excuse.

        1. there’s not going to be a fucking excuse.

          You, sir, are in for a bitter disappointment.

        2. there’s not going to be a fucking excuse

          There is always an excuse. That excuse is “shut the fuck up civilian or we will be coming to your house next.”

          1. I know we’ve seen a lot of shit on these pages, but come on, do you really think a cop riot that kills some kids is going to get swept under the rug? We’ve seen that the public will excuse innocent people being shot in their homes as part of botched raids, but you know in their minds they’re thinking “they wouldn’t have been raided if there wasn’t a reason plus it’ll never happen to me”. But when your kids playing in the yard could get mowed down by a completely absurd overreaction by police, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with knowing the wrong people and could happen anywhere at any time?

            I think there will be a reaction.

            1. If the child in question is a photogenic blond white 8 year old with well-off parents, yes, to a limited degree.

              Otherwise, no.

              That is to say that beyond sacrificing one of their brothers if the press gets too bad there would be no systemic change. The local pols always need their brute squad eventually.

              In a city I lived in a cop wiped out a small kid driving like an insane person through the center of town. There were protests, there were street vigiles, a little shrine on the corner where it happened, the works.

              After a period of time the officer was let go, the family got paid, and nothing else happened. That’s what always happens.

              I have no idea what it would take for widespread protest with enough sustained energy to make a dent in what American policing has become. Nothing seems to be enough. I think that a major metropolitan area needs to completely go up in flames. Short of that, it’s just “That’s too bad, so did you see Game of Thrones last night?”

              1. Well, my point was that I think we’re going to get the opportunity to see what it takes, because these cop riots are getting more common and they’re going to kill some innocents in the most egregious possible way soon.

                1. Well, my point was that I think we’re going to get the opportunity to see what it takes

                  I think we are, too, but I have a feeling it’s gonna be a long wait.

        3. There will, however, be a 4-year investigation. Maybe even a few paid suspensions.

      3. Massholes aren’t real Americans they don’t count. Canadians are better Americans than Massholes.

        1. at least Rob Ford is

  3. The suspect, Adrian Montesano, was also accused of shooting a police officer in a trailer park after the robbery.

    I’m not sure I would put that there as an afterthought. That’s why the panic fire.

    1. totality of the circs – hth

    2. Accused?

      Yeah – then it was a good shoot, IMHO.

      SMOOCHES

  4. Imagine what the military justice system would do to an infantry squad that did something like this in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    1. Yeah, an infantry squad would have been able to get itself organized enough to set up a proper crossfire and not gotten their own people shot.

      On the plus side – we know these two guys were innocent. Because you have to deal with these situations like witches. If these guys were criminals they’d have proven their criminality by shooting back, therefore deserving to die. If they are innocent they’ll prove their innocence by dying in a hail of bullets to preserve the glory of our defenders.

      They’re in a better place now, god has called them home.

      1. nice

      2. Yeah, an infantry squad would have been able to get itself organized enough to set up a proper crossfire and not gotten their own people shot.

        Well yeah that, and it would be a flagrant violation of RoE leading to them all getting the big chicken dinner.

        The military actually takes accusations of illegal shootings pretty damned seriously post-Vietnam (well, even during Vietnam after the My Lai coverup blew up in their faces).

        1. Agreed the RoE now doesn’t even let us return fire if the assailant is an unmarked combatant unless someone is injured.

          apparently pols believe bullets lose their lethality if the person firing them doesn’t have an insignia on their clothing…..

          to summarize its ok for cops to unleash a metal storm into unarmed non-convicted men on public streets

          but not ok for a soldier to return fire in an active war zone until he or his friend is wounded

  5. Its another police riot. Like in LA after Doerner, Boston after the bombings, etc. The fly into a frothing rage at any overt threat, and impose summary justice.

    The incident is being reviewed by the Miami Dade Police Department and the state attorney, but those reviews, according to CBS4, could take years to complete.

    Why? This was a very contained incident. Shouldn’t take more than a week or two to wrap up the investigation.

  6. the officers lost sight of their own training

    Isn’t the point of ‘training’ to avoid this kind of event? It almost makes you wonder what is considered ‘training’. In this case, target practice with paper targets (which is all the training these clowns get) isn’t actually training – it’s target practice. Training would involve intense and repetitive drill in order to minimize the forgetfullness casued by the ‘heat of the moment’.

  7. The comments on the article were somewhat refreshing. Though I think it will take more than one kid being accidentally gunned down for peoples’ attitudes to boil over. I could be wrong, though.

    1. Though I think it will take more than one kid being accidentally gunned down for peoples’ attitudes to boil over.

      By my count, we’re way, way over one.

  8. The robbery and subsequent shooting of a cop, CBS4 concluded, “sent officers across the county into a state of frenzy.” Read the rest of CBS4’s report here.

    +1 Christopher Dorner.

    1. Never asking the obvious follow up: “But why when it is any other citizen do they not go into a state of frenzy?”

      1. The brotherhood, man.

    2. At least the Miami cops don’t shoot women delivering newspapers in a different type of vehicle.

      1. No… they would have, but they just didn’t see any…

  9. It is worth saying, none of this would have happened if Adrian Montesano had not made the decision to rob the Walgreens and shoot a police officer.

    No, it’s not worth saying that. They could have John Dillinger himself surrounded, but it’s still a criminal action to start shooting at an unarmed man.

  10. the officers, caught up in the heat of the moment, failed to listen to their radios or coordinate their actions endangering not only their own lives but the lives of the public.

    Obviously, higher pay is necessary.

  11. come on, do you really think a cop riot that kills some kids is going to get swept under the rug?

    Inquiries were made

    Procedures were reviewed

    Training was upgraded

    Liability was not admitted

    Settlements were sealed

    In other words, yes.

  12. 377 shots fired by 23 cops comes out to an average of 16.39 shots fired per cop. I don’t know what guns Miami Dade cops use, but most pistols have a capacity of 15+1 rounds (Glock 17s hold 17+1,) which means that virtually every single cop shot to slide-lock. And anti-gun people think that only cops should have guns, because they have the training, skill and discipline to use them.

  13. It is worth saying, none of this would have happened if Adrian Montesano had not made the decision to been accused of robbing the Walgreens and shooting a police officer.

    Fixed that for them. Mendacious fuckwads.

    1. Ahhh yes… what is lost in translation.. of an authority fellaciating narrative, thanks for fixing that.

  14. Having OCP in charge of policing doesn’t sound as bad as it did in the 80s, does it?

    1. OCP would do a better job.

      1. You have ten seconds to comply…

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