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Latest Obamacare Enrollment Report: 8 Million Sign-Ups, Below-Target Demographic Mix, and Still No Word on How Many Have Paid

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The administration's first Obamacare enrollment report since the end of open enrollment in March dropped this afternoon, and much of what it reports is information we already knew. 

The administration is still touting 8 million sign-ups—technically 8.019 million—when the official open enrollment period of October 2013 through March 2014 is combined with stragglers who came in during the special enrollment period through April 19.

It's still the case that just 28 percent of those sign-ups were between the ages of 18 and 34, far short of the administration's target of 39 percent. State-by-state variation remains significant, with some states seeing robust sign-up activity and others posting relatively weak numbers. Health and Human Services Secretary Katheleen Sebelius is still claiming that the law's requirement that insurers carry adult dependents up to the age of 26 has insured 3 million people, and that's still not true

And, as before, it's still not clear how many of these sign-ups have actually paid—or will pay—their first month's premium, and are therefore completely enrolled in coverage. Not that this uncertainty is hampering the administration's boasts. On Twitter, HHS Secretary Sebelius has posted HealthCare.gov-branded graphics saying that 8 million are enrolled through the exchanges. Sebelius should read her own agency's report. It states quite clearly that "it is important to note that the Marketplace plan selection data as of the end of the open enrollment period do not represent effectuated enrollment (e.g., those who have paid their premium)." 

As I noted this morning, Republicans on the House Energy & Commerce (E&C) Committee requested payment information from insurers participating in the exchanges, but the numbers the Committee produced are of limited value. The Committee report found that just 67 percent of sign-ups so far had signed up in the federal marketplace as of April 15. But lots of those people have until the beginning of May, when their coverage kicks in, to pay. For some, the deadline is even later.

Still, the E&C Committee report makes one wonder why the administration hasn't bothered to release information about payment rates themselves. White House officials have said that insurers are the ones with the data, because the exchange transaction ends with the sign-up, but that doesn't explain why he administration could not have obtained and released it, with context about payment deadlines, on their own.

Back in November, an anonymous administration official told The Washington Post that collecting this information wasn't realistic. "To determine payment information," the official said, "you're talking about tracking down information from a large number of different insurance companies in 50 different states plus DC, all with different regulations and procedures, which makes collecting payment information implausible at this point."

Implausible! Practically impossible! Well, apparently it's not that hard, at least within the federal exchange network that covers 36 states, because Republicans in the House seem to have managed to do it without too much difficulty. Surely the White House, which is working closely with the insurers operating in the exchanges and which is supposed to be building a system to track crucial insurer payment information, could get these numbers from participating health plans.

Instead, the White House is trying to have it both ways, with Press Secretary Jay Carney essentially arguing earlier today that the GOP Committee report is wrong, but that the administration doesn't have the information to release. "We dispute these numbers, we don't have hard concrete numbers, but we dispute [the GOP numbers]," he said. Basically: We don't have the information, but we know theirs isn't right. 

Because of the payment deadlines and the lack of state exchange data, the GOP House Committee report is certainly incomplete, and it's of limited value as a result. Yet thanks to the White House's unwillingness to be transparent and release its own information, it's still, frustratingly, the best data we have.

*This post has been updated. 

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  1. I pledge ONE MILLION DOLLARS to my NPR station yesterday!

    1. I pledge two million quatloos to the green chick with the halter top!

  2. If the number of people who paid was high, they would be publicizing it.

  3. coming soon from the WH: A report that says +n% more people paid than the House says, therefore the program is a success.

    1. And, this just in: THE DEBATE IS OVER!! How come nobody seems to understand that?

  4. What’s this shit I hear about municipalities getting jail inmates on Obamacare to eviscerate their healthcare budgets?

    1. Democrats, not so good with the calculator…

    2. What’s wrong with that? The Federal government is paying. It’s basic health care for Free, right?

  5. 8 million? 5 million?

    TOTAL TAKEOVER OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM!!!

    (//right-wing derp)

    1. yep – the law only impacts a few million

      (//left-wing uber derp)

      1. That is right. No one has seen the premiums go up over this or lost access to their doctor. And the only reason this thing is hated by the public by a large margin and every Democrat running for election does his or her best to pretend it doens’t exist or accuse his opponent of being a secret supporter of it is because of racist tea bagger corporate Koch propaganda or something.

        1. My premiums have doubled and my wife’s favorite practice no longer accepts our insurance because it doesn’t cover anything anymore.

          I guess our health care is affordable now that we can’t get any.

          1. You are just a Koch funded plant sarcasmic. Harry Reid told me so.

            1. Oh, when he said that I assumed he meant sarcasmic was a coke dealer.*

              *obligatory cocaine reference to satisfy my daily quote as per Playa.

              1. This one seems kind of forced. Ruling: Denied.

                1. Well that blows.

                  I didn’t expect to bump into such resistance.

                  I bet the ruling was by a razor thin margin, but I just didn’t cut it today.

                  1. Better. You get 4 days of credit.

            2. And, THE DEBATE IS OVER.

        2. The potential job that I may be taking in a few days eliminated the insurance that used to go with that position.

          Unless my wife finds a job with good insurance, we could be paying an order of magnitude higher premiums within a month for high-deductible bullshit insurance.

        3. I am paying more than I ever have for insurance, and I lost most of my doctors as of January 2014. But, my betters assure me this new plan is much better, and I’m just too stupid to see (and appreciate) that.

          1. You get birth control more now. What more could you want?

          2. You don’t exist. The Dems told me so.

        4. Deductibles have doubled, premiums up 20%. And the insurer is denying claims left and right that used to be paid without argument. Naturally, I believe this is all a total coincidence or, in the alternative, the results of secret Republican legislation passed in their secret Congress.

          1. They are doing that because they want Obama to fail.

            1. Nothing can stop that now, my son.

            2. Because he’s black and you’re a racist, and this is Bush’s fault.

          2. Market Failure! We need single payer. Preferably a single payer that routinely covers up $1,000,000,000,000 deficits with monopoly money.

            1. We need single-prayer.

              1. God Pro Lib, you’re such a socon.

                1. Just wait until you’re paying premiums for a whole family. Then you, too, will turn to prayer and contemplation of a world without pain and insurance.

                  1. Now you’re trying to promote family values! Socon, socon, socon!

                    1. Gosh, maybe you’re right.

                    2. We’re never going to hit 500 comments if you don’t play along!

                    3. Okay. I’m not a socon! I’m a mascon!

                    4. Just “deem” that you have hit 500 posts.

            2. What, no trillion dollar coins?!

              /Kruggie

              1. What, no trillion dollar coins?!

                Yep….I use em as subway tokens…and I put em in the porno booths where I like to watch shreeky do all those nasty things to our president.

                Gotta go…….

        5. I’m coming to believe that progressives only believe what they are told to believe by other progressives, and are nearly incapable of independent thought. Because of this they assume no one else can think for themselves either (projection). Therefore, the only reason anyone agrees with the Kochs or the tea party or whomever is because they were told to (it’s all astroturf), and the only way to fix that problem is to shout down the opposition while improving their own messaging.

          1. They are religious fanatics without God. They don’t give a shit that this is causing harm anymore than some religious cult cares that there is no evidence that the mother ship is coming in from Zeta Retiduli next year. All that matters is that they mean well and that they did the right thing. They are fucking pod people.

          2. I had a discussion in December with an acquaintance on facebook where she posted about the wonderful experience she had with the Oregon website. I posted that, no she hadn’t because it isn’t working. She told me I was misinformed. I pointed out my dad works with the medical programmers, so my source is pretty solid. She then said I misunderstood what she had said, she had really only gotten information from the site. I then said, no she hadn’t because it wasn’t working. Lather, rinse, repeat…
            I used to be a social worker and I have worked with delusional populations before, but I have never seen anything like this. I think I should write a paper about group psychosis about it. A psychotic will make something up and believe it so strongly that they will get mad at you for disbelieving. That pretty much sums up Jay Carney to me.

        6. And it’s not like there are dozens of new taxes either.

    2. Just because they’re failing doesn’t mean they don’t want to.

    3. So I can forego purchasing health insurance? Or I can purchase catastrophic-only coverage? Oh no, I can’t.

      1. “Oh no, I can’t.”

        Keep checking back on Friday afternoons. Maybe a royal decree will make it so.

        1. But of course then it will be a mandate. So it will be more like you must purchase, but yeah keep checking back.

          And I wouldn’t count on getting to forego anything, except maybe getting to forego spending your own money on what you’d like to spend it on.

      2. I thought the mandate was on the “wink wink, nudge nudge” honor system this year?

    4. This is 8 million people who signed up through the exchanges. It doesn’t include the 200 or so million others who had their health insurance become worse and more expensive.

      1. It doesn’t include the 200 or so million others who had their health insurance become worse and more expensive.

        Three years ago my employer offered ACA compliant plans. By offer I mean the premiums for the old plans doubled, basically forcing everyone into the new ones. By now the premiums for those have doubled, and the company has been in a pay freeze for three years. That amounts to my total yearly income being like four grand less than it was three years ago. On top of that I now have several medical bills for several thousands of dollars that I’m making payments on, because the insurance doesn’t cover anything.

        Paying a lot more for a lot less. That’s not what I call affordable.

        1. At least you have coverage… *continues to hit sarcasmic with night stick*

          1. I bet there is a code for that diagnosis too…

        2. Of course it’s affordable.

          I mean, your monthly insurance premiums cost about as much as a Ford does right? Hence: Affordable!

          1. I spend a lot more on that useless insurance than I do on car payments.

            1. No, no. I didn’t mean the payment. I meant that you could buy a used Ford Focus with around 75k miles every month with the amount you spend on premiums for a family of four.

        3. Your old plan may have been more AFFORDABLE, but it was substandard.
          Oh, and racist.

          1. And sexist. Definitely sexist.

            1. Also, it was probably homophobic.

    5. Drum roll please…

      America’s payor mix for healthcare is 58% government (Medicare and Medicaid).

      The rest is a mix of self pay and private insurance. And now fedgov is taking over even that. So, yeah, the government has indeed taken over healthcare.

      http://www.beckershospitalrevi…..egion.html

      1. Whoops! Forgot to count worker’s comp and other government funded healthcare. So government’s role is a little higher than what I just stated.

        Of course, I wouldn’t expect a person who calls his own self a “buttplug” to understand what a payor mix even is.

        1. $2.9 trillion spent by all parties on healthcare in 2013. About 60% or so was directly by government.

          NUTHING LEFT TO CUT!

    6. You do realize they just proved that healthcare spending is increasing at a high that hasn’t been seen since 1980? (Reagan) So, yeah, this total takeover is freaking awful and hasn’t managed to impact the populace it said it would.

    7. Palin’s Buttplug|5.1.14 @ 2:31PM|#

      8 million? 5 million?

      TOTAL TAKEOVER OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM!!!

      (//right-wing derp)”

      40 million uninsured dieing in the streets.

      8 million forced sign ups after 6 million forced cancellations of previously insured

      Success ! Success !

      /Buttplug derp

  6. Eight per cent.

    EIGHT.

    1. He h8s it when you do that.

      1. He h8s it when you do that.

        internetrimshot.com

        Go on…you’ve earned it.

        and Mr. 8%

        internetrimjob.com

        Go on…you’ve earned it.

  7. And the public still doesn’t like Obamacare: Obama at a ‘Dead Point’

    1. ELIMUNASHUNIZT WRETORIK!1!1!!1!!

  8. And, as before, it’s still not clear how many of these sign-ups have actually paid?or will pay?their first month’s premium, and are therefore completely enrolled in coverage. Not that this uncertainty is hampering the administration’s boasts.

    “Let me be clear.”

  9. Enjoy your only term, sir.

    Mayor Murray announces his $15 wage plan
    Posted by Lynn Thompson
    Seattle Mayor Ed Murray this morning announced his plan to raise the city’s minimum wage to $15 an hour, phased in over three to seven years depending on the size of business and whether workers receive tips or benefits in addition to salary.

    1. Great, cost businesses more money in both labor and compliance costs while creating another bureaucratic hurdle for owners to clear. Seattle’s suburbs are probably thrilled about this.

      1. This is ‘moving forward’… or ‘progress’. Nickels McGinn Murray is continuing the tradition of turning Seattle into a Yuppie amusement park.

      2. Sea-Tac (a municipality which is almost wholly dominated by the airport) raised the min. wage to $15 last year. The trucking company a friend of mine works for is intending to move all its operations to Kent within the year.

        So I guess the supporters are right, increasing the minimum wage really is good for the economy–of all the neighboring cities.

        1. The 215-room Clarion Hotel closed its full-service restaurant in December, laying off 15 people, said general manager Perry Wall. The hotel also let go a night desk clerk and maintenance employee and is considering a 10 percent increase in room rates for the spring travel season, Wall said.

          […]

          Others say workers who already made at least $15 an hour want a raise to stay ahead of their less-experienced colleagues, leading to tense relations between labor and management. Some managers say they’re covering shifts for hourly-wage workers who are out sick to avoid paying overtime, and generally are doing more to hold down labor costs.

          Because when a $7 an hour job magically becomes $15 an hour, the $15 an hour job needs to become a $20 an hour job.

          1. Because when a $7 an hour job magically becomes $15 an hour, the $15 an hour job needs to become a $20 an hour job.

            The problem is that when talking to people who initially proposed the $15/hour night-of-the-living-dead wage, they will to a person consider the guy making $15 getting a bump to $20 as not only a feature but a desirable and cost-free one.

          2. Anyone who’s been in a similar situation knows exactly why this is the case.

            I worked at a company, stayed for a few years, and was promoted to a manager level. I soon started hiring people and discovered our starting wages were now nearly 2X they were when I’d started, and that they were getting paid nearly as much as I was after 4+ years at the company.

            Naturally I stormed into the boss’s office and walked out 5mins later with a 30% raise. This is how shit works.

            1. Naturally I stormed into the boss’s office and walked out 5mins later with a 30% raise. This is how shit works.

              *starts planning afternoon meeting with boss*

              1. Don’t lie. We all know, as per the Occupy crowds, that anyone with the title of boss only strolls into the office at 11:30 after his morning tee time at the local country club, calls a few buddies to talk about the yacht party coming the following weekend, bangs his secretary (who incidentally makes only 77% of what the male file clerk with less responsibility makes), and then leaves at 12:15 to go drink single malt scotch and smoke cigars with the good ol’ boys club at the finest steakhouse in the metro area, only to return the next day at 11:30 and repeat the same routine.

                1. While this isn’t true for me, it’s certainly a career goal.

              2. Your odds are good. I just gave myself a 30% raise.

                1. Note =

                  to be fair – it was a high-growth startup company and we were doubling in size each year. Guys like me who started early were basically ‘middle management’ a couple years later and wages were not keeping pace. I don’t think that sort of thing works in a ossified, longstanding bureaucracy.

                2. Your odds are good. I just gave myself a 30% raise.

                  I’m working for you! You hiring? Oh wait, you live in California. Shit.

                  1. Careful what you wish for. You might end up a dishwasher in Sloopy’s food truck.

                    1. Careful what you wish for. You might end up a dishwasher in Sloopy’s food truck.

                      If Sloopy has a dishwasher in Sloopy’s truck, Sloopy doin’ aight.

            2. There’s a reason companies are secretive about salaries. The newly hired always make more than the long timers in similar level, sometimes even lower, positions.

            3. I had a similar experience (starting salaries jumped about 10k 7-8 months after I started, so I was actually making less than people I was training), though I was not nearly so successful with the my raise.

    2. Murray said 21 of the 24 members on the committee he assembled to create the proposal have agreed, indicating broad support. He thanked his committee members for taking risks and showing courage. “I believe they are going to move this city forward,” he said.

      Yes. Forward towards the cliff. Assholes that Seattleshireans are, they’ll re-elect him even after every minimum wage employer moves out of the city, there will be no moment of introspection. Corporate “greed” and “raise taxes” will be their battle cry.

      1. they’ll re-elect him even after every minimum wage employer moves out of the city

        Actually, they won’t. If you know Seattle politics, they’ll fire him after one term (like they have so many others) and elect a different one exactly like him.

        Here’s how Seattle politics works: To get elected, create campaign sentences using the following words and phrases, and yell them louder than your opponent:

        living wage
        east timor
        civil rights
        diversity
        urban gardening
        bike lanes
        more trains more transit
        reduce cars
        climate change
        urban gardening
        climate change
        bike to work
        urban gardening
        trains
        fewer cars
        urban gardening
        climate change

        Then get fired when Seattle residents wake up from the hangover and realize their streets aren’t paved, their schools suck, everything’s expensive and the Mayor’s communications director makes $200,000 a year.

        Rinse, repeat.

        1. What about… MONORAIL?

          1. Seattle is kind of ‘off’ the monorail these days, like I’m ‘off’ NPR right now, and ‘off’ corporate jargon.

        2. Residents of Seattle, sister city of the downtrodden East Timor, lend me your ears. In an effort to reduce cars, we will begin opening urban gardens that pay all workers a living wage. Since you will no longer need to bike to work without any jobs left, we will smelt all your bikes in orde to build trains to ship the Kulaks off to Spokane. The only way to ensure civil rights is to fight climate change!

            1. IDK about punchable face, but is there a German word for “very hittable by car”.

              1. Here’s our mayor-before-last who got fired because he spent all his time flying around the world talking about climate change while the roads in seattle were LITERALLY undrivable— because salting them hurts the environment! The runoff could go into puget sound– which is salt water. Seriously. Fucking seriously.

        3. I was reflecting on this while walking through Capitol Hill the other day. I was like “Man, with all the money this city constantly spends digging holes in the ground and building all sorts of vanity projects no one really seems to want, you think they at least could provide sidewalks that don’t look like an earthquake just hit.”

          1. Capitol Hill? HA! No one lives there any more!

            1. How can that be? As the parking there is just horrendous.

              (I’m new to Seattle, by the way)

              1. That’s my snotty, elitist way of saying I don’t live there anymore.

          2. They’re too busy having Seattle City Light and the DOT pave and wire outside all the new buildings that are going up, as a sop to contractors and builders who contributed to their campaign. Plus Paul Allen and all of SLU.

          3. Heh, I’m in Oregon. Our city just formally ceded our sidewalks back to us. If you want sidewalks you can walk on, have at.

            1. Houston did that also.

              if you need new sidewalks in your neighborhood YOU get to pay for them.

        4. Sounds like some Greek hell.

    3. What a pussy. If you believe that, then just make it $100/hour. We’ll all be rich.

    4. I feel terrible for most of the people who will suffer from this. I only hope that at least some of the various hipster douche bags who live in Seattle and no doubt did everything they could to get that asshole elected suffer dearly, losing their barista and graphic design consulting jobs and being forced to move back to their parents’ basement in Idaho.

      1. Why do you hate the parents of Idaho John?

        1. Sucks to be them. But they raised the little bastards. Someone has to take responsibility for them.

          1. Those parents should be allowed to take their children out back and shoot them. Kinda like Old Yeller.

            1. It would be the most humane and socially beneficial thing they could do. So there is that.

      2. Seattle and no doubt did everything they could to get that asshole elected suffer dearly, losing their barista and graphic design consulting jobs and being forced to move back to their parents’ basement in Idaho.

        That’s the problem. Those are the only jobs that are left. Douchey creative jobs which mysteriously pay $90,000 a year. Real work gets pushed out. Yuppie amusement park.

        1. I wish them luck when they no longer have any gas stations, restaurants, cleaning services or much of anything else inside the city limits.

          I am sure their tourism industry is going to boom when the hotels either drastically raise their prices or just shut down because they can no longer afford cleaning staff. When the downtown dies and the place is nothing but an empty shell of office buildings and the commuters who work in them, it will just all be bad luck and an example of how any city can be a victim of the evil market.

          1. Well, that’s not going to happen anytime soon. But yes, there are a lot of trendy restaurants and bars in Seattle, especially in Belltown and Capitol Hill, and this is going to hurt them. Which is why I don’t think this is going to pass. There are too many “small businesses” in the form of restaurants and bars and other niche stuff for them not to complain loudly. Well, you would hope. We’ll see what happens.

            1. As pathetic as that is, you are probably right. The moment those assholes realize a high minimum wage will mean some trendy restaurants will close or worse move to the burbs, they will decide that maybe paying the poor a “living wage” isn’t so important anymore.

              I hope it doesn’t pass. If it doesn’t, it won’t for a pretty appalling reason.

            2. When Kashama Sawant-your-stuff can get elected to city council, aren’t we already too far down that particular rabbit hole?

              1. When Kashama Sawant-your-stuff can get elected to city council, aren’t we already too far down that particular rabbit hole?

                Case in point. Kashama Sawant replaced who? That’s right, another progressive with a half beard.

            3. I know the solution. More under-the-table illegal immigrant labor. “Here you go, Juan, your pay for ten hours of work today: $10.”

              1. Pro Lib, as usual, I know the real solution. And as usual, it’s having big rocks that you can drop.

                1. That’s a different kind of illegal immigrant.

                  1. Ain’t no rules says a rock can’t fall quickly.

          2. Gas Stations are sooo 20th century.

    5. How did all of these different people come up with $15 as a “fair” min wage? Where did this figure come from?
      It all seems so Randian the way all the progs have latched onto this magical number that will equalize us all without any unintended consequences.

      1. This is more evidence for my new theory. They need a fair minimum wage number, 15 is a number someone mentioned, and since everyone else is nodding their head in agreement, that must mean $15/hour is a fair minimum wage. Democracy!

      2. Like all progressive flowers, it’s something the progressive butterflies are fluttering to at the moment, will get bored of, and move on to the next single, societal change that’s the most important in our lifetime.

  10. Another unintended consequence of Obamacare: The Coming Two-Tier Health System

    As America doubles down on government authority over health care, Europeans with the means to do so are increasingly circumventing their own centralized systems. In Britain, even though they’re already paying for the National Health Service, six million Brits?two-thirds of citizens earning more than $78,700?now buy private health insurance. Meanwhile, more than 50,000 travel out of the U.K. annually, spending more than $250 million, to receive treatment more readily than they can at home. Even in Sweden, the mother of all welfare nations, half a million Swedes now use private insurance, up from 100,000 a decade ago.

    1. But that’s impossible! Everybody loves single payer! Tony told me!

    2. Actually I suspect it will be a 3 tier system.

      The poor and middle class will get shit health care, the upper middle class will deal with the shit health care for mundane things but medical tourism will be a major deal for them with anything serious, and then the rich will have expensive concierge doctors and private clinics

    3. Unintended?

  11. “The administration is still touting 8 million sign-ups”

    ‘But this one goes to 11’

  12. White House officials have said that insurers are the ones with the data, because the exchange transaction ends with the sign-up…

    Just like Amazon and Kayak!

    1. That is right. I bet Amazon has no idea if people who purchase from a third party through their website ever pay. It is not like Amazon gets a cut or anything or they would have an interest and making sure their third party venders get paid.

      That just further shows how no one in this Administration has ever run a business or done anything besides talk out of their ass and compliment the right people on the smell of their farts.

  13. “Still No Word on How Many Have Paid”

    What difference, at this point, does it make?

    1. We signed up 8 million people. That is success.

      These people are right out of Monty Python or Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. They have no idea how to live in reality or do anything but fixate on various magic numbers.

      It is the same sort of thinking that causes Hillary supporters to claim with a straight face that she was a successful Secretary of State because she traveled more miles in four than any other Secretary of State.

      1. By that metric, Michelle Obama may be more effective than every Secretary of State in U.S. history.

      2. “They have no idea how to live in reality or do anything but fixate on various magic numbers.”

        No idea how, and no desire to! Reality is mean and stuff.

      3. Traveled more miles in the era of Skype, conference call, email, text, chat, and 900 other forms of instantaneous electronic communication no less.

        1. Before I joined, the other consultants used to travel about once a month. Nowadays, it’s probably twice a year. Nobody wants to pay to fly you out when you can do it basically for free online.

  14. “To determine payment information,” the official said, “you’re talking about tracking down information from a large number of different insurance companies in 50 different states plus DC, all with different regulations and procedures, which makes collecting payment information implausible at this point.”

    Yeah, except wasn’t Healthcare.gov supposed to do all this automatically, on the back end? Back in January there was a report that if they did not have this finished my March, it would be a “disaster.” And it’s still not finished: they are doing things by hand, and sending estimates to insurance companies. I think the whole thing is still failing, even though they trumpet “successes” and try hard to delay bad news.

    1. If the system doesn’t result in people actually paying and having insurance, it is a failure. We really are living through the looking glass when “singups” counts as success. Jesus, I could get millions to sign up for my time travel machine. That wouldn’t make my time travel business a success.

  15. Companies will soon begin dropping health insurance because of Obamacare:

    The Chart That Kills Employer-Sponsored Health Care

    The shift benefits employers the most as the government and consumers take on a larger funding role.

    Thanks to Obamacare, more companies are likely to dump health benefits

  16. Really, Peter? You’re confused as to why the WH has not released payment rates? Because the right wing blogosphere is run by headlines, with few EVER bothering to read the details. Here is the headline at FOX…”JUST 67% of federal Obamacare enrollees have paid premiums.”

    So the GOP decides to take data from up until April 15, when the actual payment due date for many is not until beginning of May, and for some even until June…because, you know, everyone always pays bills that are due earlier than required. Riiiight.

    So, what are some from the insurance industry saying? Karen Ignani, of America’s Health Insurance Plans?said that about 85 percent of people who bought coverage through the marketplaces were paying premiums. And Wellpoint? The number is 90%.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com…..s-20140430

    1. Let me put it this way, Peter. You have been wrong about every number so far, in so much as all you have been is skeptical of the results. First no one would sign up, not enough to make the program work. Oops. 8M signed up. Then the demographic would be wrong. Hate to tell you, but 29% young is acceptable for the first year. Now its no one will pay.

      Here you go…the number paying will put the actual enrollees in the 7M range. A huge success.

      1. Jackland Ace says:

        “Here you go…the number paying will put the actual enrollees in the 7M range. A huge success.”

        But Ace there were supposed to be 40 million uninsured dieing in the streets.

        So Democrats force the cancellation of 6 million plans. Sign up 7 million at the end of a gun barrel and you call that a “huge success”.

        Your definition of a huge success is a lot different than mine.

        “Huge Success” my ass.

        1. So tell me, OneOut, where did you get the number of cancellations DUE TO the ACA at 6M? GOP talking points blog The Daily Caller? Please.

          This is done all the time on your side. “Insurance premiums have gone up this year…Its the fault of the ACA!” Of course, insurance premiums ALWAYS go up each and every single year, with no exceptions in the past 30 years.

          Here is a recent study out this week by Health Affairs about that number of cancellations. You are primarily referring to people in the non-group category of insurance. But guess what? That group has ALWAYS had large turnover due to cancellation of plans and movement.

          “Given estimates from 2012 that 10.8 million people were covered in this market, these results suggest that 6.2 million people leave nongroup coverage annually. This suggests that the nongroup market was characterized by frequent disruptions in coverage before the ACA and that the effects of the recent cancellations are not necessarily out of the norm. These results can serve as a useful pre-ACA baseline with which to evaluate the law’s long-term impact on the stability of nongroup coverage.”

          http://content.healthaffairs.o……2014.0005

        2. By the way, and just who is Health Affairs?

          “Health Affairs is the leading journal of health policy thought and research. The peer-reviewed journal was founded in 1981 under the aegis of Project HOPE, a nonprofit international health education organization. Health Affairs explores health policy issues of current concern in domestic and international spheres. Its mission is to serve as a high-level, nonpartisan forum to promote analysis and discussion on improving health and health care, and to address such issues as cost, quality, and access.”

          But go ahead, keep giving us fraudulent data from the Daily Caller.

    2. “So the GOP decides to take data from up until April 15…”

      Did you even bother to read the article above? Because Peter Suderman explicitly says, “but the numbers the Committee produced are of limited value.”

      And then you try to rebut the commitee number with anecdotal data from one insurance company that’s got less than 1% of US market share. I agree with Suderman that the committee numbers are of limited value, but that link of yours is clearly of even less value.

      1. Jackand Ace is not about facts or information; propaganda is all that matters.

      2. No shit. Note these salient points that were left out of his little screed:

        “We’re winning a lot of new members, and whether they had insurance previously or not, we do not know,” Swedish said.

        Well, it seems that would be an important data point to consider.

        3. The newly insured are older, eligible for subsidies, and buying cheaper plans.

        WellPoint says 80 percent of its customers are subsidy-eligible, and that its most popular plans are rated silver and bronze. That’s consistent with UnitedHealth Group’s reported enrollment, which the insurer released earlier this month with its first-quarter earnings.

        IOW, they’re not actually paying the full cost of their premiums–they’re mostly older folks who are getting the subsidy a few years before they have to go on Medicare. A huge success!

        1. THey’re lucky that the Obamacare roll out was a disaster in the first place. It set such low expectations that, as long as enough people enroll, it’s deemed a success.

          In other words, Obamacare is deemed a success merely by overcoming the bungling of the roll out in the first place, whether or not it produces any of the actual results that were promised.

          You could say you were going to lower the price of healthcare in the US by buying everyone blow jobs, and people would sign up. I wouldn’t declare that a success.

          1. This is how I see it. The obamacare exchange rollout was exactly as bad as predicted, because the flaws were built-in. Now people can successfully browse to the site without 404 errors, and now OCare is GREAT SUCCESS!

            Wait until the effects of the law kick in and the perversion on the healthcare markets (what’s left of them) are realized.

            Trumpeting this shit about how many bodies have signed up is like talking about how successful the NHS is because it has 100% participation.

        2. I’ve got 21 years in the Insurance business. I don’t care which company you work for, there’s a constant churning of customers, and there’s no real means of tracking who left one company to swap to another.

          1. Does your company know how many have paid ?

            1. Well if it’s still in business and isn’t funded by the IRS, then Yes, they know how many people paid.

      3. And did you even read what I wrote? I referred to one insurance COMPANY (Wellpoint), in addition to a woman in a trade organization that represents the health insurance industry. AHIP is one of the top trade organizations in the country.

        Regardless, Peter and most here continue to be chicken little. Doom is just around the corner….EVERY corner, particularly when it comes to the ACA.

        We will see what the final number of those who paid will turn out to be. I told you it will be closer to 7M than the 5M or so the Republicans just told you it would be.

  17. Back in November, an anonymous administration official told The Washington Post that collecting this information wasn’t realistic.

    Because having a metric to measure a policy in an effort to determine its success or failure is clearly racist.

  18. The reason they don’t know haven’t paid yet is that the program becomes effective today and no payments are due yet. Even then, the Insurers have (if I recall) a 30 to 45 day grace period, and of course, many of the poorest have no credit cards or checking accounts in order to pay. The Insurers are partnering up with drug stores like CVS to provide a means of paying, but that hasn’t been established yet. Have patience… 😉

    1. ” Even then, the Insurers have (if I recall) a 30 to 45 day grace period, and of course, many of the poorest have no credit cards or checking accounts in order to pay. ”

      So the administration just figured this out ?

      No way they could have anticipated that, huh?

    2. “The reason they don’t know haven’t paid yet is that the program becomes effective today and no payments are due yet.”

      What program are you referring to? Not Obamacare, because that started enrolling people in October. It’s not like every person who got enrolled over the last 7 months, didn’t start their coverage until today.

      “many of the poorest have no credit cards or checking accounts in order to pay.”

      And those people, aren’t going to pay. Some of them might get enrolled if the government is picking up 100% of the bill, but there’s no way any significant percentage of the population who don’t have a credit card or checking account is going to pay cash every month for health insurance.

  19. You will never get the truth out of this Administration the true are so dismal they will continue to stall until they reach a point where they have put so much tax payer fund in that its all gone!This was a massive plot to enact a new entitlement that with other programs in place will bankrupt this nation that has been the plan for 8 years it began in Vietnam!

  20. It’s just so bloody tragic that ANYONE is surprised by any of the fallout from that catastrophe! I saw it coming DURING HIS 2008 CAMPAIGN! I tried to warn anyone I could. I learned practically in freakin’ GRADE SCHOOL (1954-1967) that Socialized Medicine ALWAYS bankrupts the regime that imposes it.

    Well, the chickens are coming home to roost; I’ve decided to go get a pistol so that I can survive the food riots.

  21. There is no reason to believe the 8 million number at all. Given the regularity of White House lies and the various ways they are “revising” the way data is collected and numbers are calculated, I just don’t believe them any more.

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