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Angry Parents Crush Race-Quota Revival

Prop. 209 would have hurt Asian-Americans in the name of diversity.

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SACRAMENTO — When my family moved from northwest Ohio to pricey Southern California, we could afford an entry level house but couldn't also spring for private-school tuition for the kids. So we scoured the test-score databases, looking for those neighborhoods where home values were reasonable and public schools were tops.

Given the focus on schools, it will surprise no one that we settled in a city with a majority Asian-American population. On the night the school held a meeting about Advanced Placement, there wasn't parking spot within a mile. Tales of so-called Tiger moms–Asian mothers who impose strict academic standards on their kids–are not fictional. There's a reason Asian-American and Pacific Islander students make up 14 percent of the state's high-school graduates but nearly half of freshmen at Berkeley.

Unfortunately, students from other ethnic groups haven't always had as much success getting into the state's top universities. So Democratic senators in January passed SCA 5, which would have restored racial and ethnic quotas that were stripped from California's public-university systems in 1996 following statewide passage of anti-quota Proposition 209. Their stated goal wasn't to reduce Asian attendance, but given that top-university admissions are a zero-sum game, that would have been an end result.

The new measure, a proposed constitutional amendment that needed a two-thirds legislative vote before putting it on a statewide ballot, was shelved after three Asian-American Democratic senators who had previously voted for the bill removed their support after many of their constituents got wind of the advancing proposal.

"As lifelong advocates for the Asian-American and other communities, we would never support a policy that we believed would negatively impact our children," said Sens. Ted Lieu, Carol Liu and Leland Yee, in a letter last week to Assembly Speaker John Perez. They called for a hold on the bill until its sponsor, Sen. Ed Hernandez (D-West Covina) has an opportunity to "attempt to build a consensus." Don't expect a consensus soon.

"There was a real grassroots revolt against this effort and it really caught Asian-American Democratic legislators by surprise," said Lance Izumi, an education expert at the conservative Pacific Research Institute. One opponent called SCA 5 "the most racist bill" in the state's history in the Cal Alumni magazine. That's a stretch considering, say, the Chinese Exclusion Act and Japanese internment camps, but the article captured the anger that split the Democratic caucus.

"It was interesting to see the Chinese-American community enter the fight when they had not during the 209 fight," said Ward Connerly, who was chairman of the 1996 campaign. But he told me Asian-Americans now understand that their kids would lose out if admissions officials gain the right to discriminate.

Nevertheless, Hernandez has called Prop. 209 a "complete failure" because it led to a less diverse student body. San Diego Democratic Sen. Ben Hueso said in published reports that "Prop. 209 creates a barrier for people of color to access higher education."

Practically speaking, Prop. 209 has meant that admissions to California's elite public universities go to the individuals most qualified to attend them. It's not a barrier for people of color–but a barrier for all students who don't have the best grades and test scores. California has other universities and colleges that accept people whose academic records aren't quite as good.

"These kids can perform if they are given the right quality of education in the K-12 years," Izumi said. Quotas are an attempt to bail out the current, troubled system, he added. A new study by Stanford University's Center for Research on Education Outcomes, for instance, found impressive academic gains for Latino students in impoverished Los Angeles neighborhoods who attended charter schools.

Our kids rose to the occasion when placed in a hard-charging academic environment. Their ethnicity wasn't an issue. Likewise, this quota debate misses a more important focus, which should be on helping Latino, African American and other students get the quality education they need to qualify for the best schools on their own.

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  1. My solution? Legalize recreational marijuana and subsidize it for the Asian-American community. We know that hooking them on video games barely puts a dent in their academic dominance. Also, some joke about bad driving.

    1. Pretty much anything that undermines parental authority will get the job done.

  2. There’s a reason Asian-American and Pacific Islander students make up 14 percent of the state’s high-school graduates but nearly half of freshmen at Berkeley.

    RACIST!

  3. You see, when a party gains office through the promise of free stuff, they don’t like to hear that the best way to improve educational outcomes is to encourage self-reliance and hard work. The truth runs counter to the direction they want to go. So of course they’re shocked when a bloc of their constituents realizes that the party’s counterproductive policies will hurt them. They don’t expect constituents to think.

    1. self-reliance and hard work

      Racist!

      1. If the truth is racist, so be it.

        1. That sentiment is racist too.

    2. Genetics don’t exactly hurt either.

  4. It’s staggering how racist “anti-racists” actually are much of the time. They behave on explicitly racist lines, and then doublethink that they’re doing the opposite. Collectivism is a disease.

    1. They keep redefining “racist” to absolve themselves and then insisting that whatever the current redefinition is has always been the one true meaning of the word. Whenever you think Peak Lie has been reached, someone will prove you wrong.

      1. Peak Lie

        Due to the context of the article, I orginally read “Lie” as one of the many Romanized variations of the Chinese surname and I thought to myself, “Who the fuck is Peak Lie?”

        1. Didn’t he star in a couple of Bruceploitation kung fu movies in the 70s?

          1. Having amassed a not small collection of said flicks, I can confidently say, “probably”.

        2. He is the cousin of Sum Ting Wong, the pilot who crashed the 777.

      2. Whenever you think Peak Lie has been reached, someone will prove you wrong.

        Peak Lie is a myth, just like Peak Retard.

  5. Nevertheless, Hernandez has called Prop. 209 a “complete failure” because it led to a less diverse student body.

    I don’t recall “diversity” being a stated goal of prop 209.

    1. 209 also amended the constitution. There is nothing the state senate can do about it now short of re-amending the constitution.

      1. Which takes what, 500 signatures in CA?

    2. diversity is the stated goal of everything. It’s our secular religion.

  6. Race fight! Who will win? The Asians have crazy kung fu skills. The blacks are veterans from the Crips/Bloods fueds and are well armed. But the Latinos fight dirty.

    1. Don’t rule out the white militias.

      Eh, I stopped caring about AA right after college. I’ll care again on my kid’s 17th birthday.

      1. Eh, I stopped caring about AA right after college.

        So you can’t admit that you have a problem Playa….

        what…..oh AA not AA.

        1. I don’t understand why the repubs haven’t tried to exploit these fissures among the democratic “coalition of the oppressed”. I mean in purely Machiavellian terms, the only thing keeping the democrat party together is the fact that their constituencies blame white males for all their own shortcomings. Turn blacks and hispanics against each other with with talk about how immigration will hurt lower skilled blacks in the labor market, turn asians on blacks and hispanics with the affirmative action stuff, point out the contradictions between multicultural “diversity” and feminism by talking about how women are treated in Muslim nations and so on; the only thing holding that party together is that they wanna fuck over the pale penis people.

  7. Hernandez has called Prop. 209 a “complete failure” because it led to a less diverse student body.

    Serious question: When did “diversity” become a major goal (for progressives)?

    1. It’s part of the vote-buying scheme.

    2. Diversity = separate but equal.

      What they really want is:

      University = unified and equal.

    3. When it became a code word for a racial spoils system. Genuine diversity has never been a goal.

      1. Yup. At a recent staff meeting it was announced that the equal employment czar on campus had decided that the libraries were not “diverse enough.”

        I said, “This means were are going to start hiring more guys, right?”

        I was glowered at by all the usual suspects.

        1. When I first started reading I though you meant that he was referring to the books, not employees.

        2. What did it mean?

    4. When they learned that invoking it would cover their inborn and persistent racism.

    5. I think it was some time after they lost the Alan Bakke case.

      -jcr

  8. Want diversity? Abolish tariffs, open the borders and deregulate. The abundance of sushi restaurants in America aren’t the result of government programs unless you’re a social conservative who thinks free-trade is somehow leftist just because it involves foreigners.

  9. It’s funny how Democrats love them some racial discrimination… until they are on the receiving end of it.

    If Republicans are looking for a wedge issue, this could certainly be one: “War on Asians!”

    1. They won’t – that’s where the “stupid party” comes in.

      I mean, the Dems scream racism at the top of their lungs when Republicans want voters to provide some ID, but when Dems support a measure to specifically allow race discrimination in education, watch for the Reps to drop the ball.

      What they *should* be doing is running ads throughout the country – get a Jewish Republican to say, “at one time, racists limited the number of my people – Jews – who could attend universities because they were racists. In America, racists known as Democrats want to limit the number of Asian-Americans who can attend universities. Shame on them! Write the Democratic National Committee to say that racism has no place in America.”

      But the Reps will probably limit themselves to a few snippy remarks and go back the urgent task of denouncing Edward Snowden.

      1. Republicans have more important things to do with their time, like adding lists of people they don’t like to their official platform and crafting epic PR comments about vaginas and rape.

      2. get a Jewish Republican to say

        ______

        There’s only one of those in Congress.

  10. …”as president, he had “aggressively recruited a diverse student body and faculty.” This view, […] was reflected in his university’s defense against an anti-affirmative-action suit brought two years ago by a would-be student who didn’t get in: The UT defense was that a university needs a varied student body to fulfill its highest academic and social ideals.”…
    http://www.sfgate.com/default/…..355499.php

    See, “diversity” means people with skin in different tones!

    1. Only a racist would think that it has anything to do with viewpoint diversity. It’s amazing how the patrons of diversity can assemble a group of people of varied ethnicities and geographic backgrounds, all of whom think exactly alike.

      1. I am pretty sure that proggie philosophy is tailor made for just that purpose.

      2. Diversity doesn’t mean including Libertarians.

    2. Yep. College is supposed to be a place of learning and ideas; activities of the mind. So a diverse campus would have a diversity of thoughts, ideas, and minds. But proggies only see one thing; skin. Racists.

      1. Colleges have, historically, tend to enforce a party line. Not necessarily the only Party Line in a society, but certainly one that can be traced to The Right People.

        Joseph Priestly, one of the great minds of the late 18th Century, was barred from attending Oxford or Cambridge because he was a religious dissenter; he would not publicly swear to the Church of England’s doctrines.

        Which doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call the Western Intellectual Twits on their “Diversity” scam, just that we need to emphasize its internal hypocrisy. It is, in fact, business as usual for the colleges of the world.

  11. OT: The Kim Jong Il video made me look up this Michael Malice character. I like that his big break was that the supernaturally unfunny Harvey Pekar made a comic book whining about him. Delicious comments at goodreads ensue.

    Jan 04, 2014flannery rated it 4 of 5 stars
    Pretty sure this guy came to xmas dinner and checked Drudge Report intermittently on his iPad, not sure. I was pretty psyched to read about a wacky libertarian but I know enough of them to get tired easily. This reminds me of all sorts of extreme personalities I know, of all stripes, and if you thought there’s only one Ron Paul bad news there are literally millions of people just like him. I’d only recommend this book to people who want to “know the enemy.” Personally my answer is “only kinda.”
    flaglike ? see review

    DELICIOUS.

    1. Pretty sure this guy came to xmas dinner and checked Drudge Report intermittently on his iPad, not sure.

      That could have been more due to the fact that Malice is a Jew.

      Jus’ sayin’

      1. Another favorite:

        Fred rated it 1 of 5 stars
        Shelves: 2010-read
        I appreciate the artwork and the dedication by Harvey Pekar on this piece but Mike Malice is an utter piece of Randroid shit. Totally egotistical, anti-social, anti-collective and completely hostile.

        There are Rand quotes galore in this piece. The funny thing is Mike describes himself as an “anarchist”, he’s not. He’s a Libertarian. The term anarchist evolved from the left and was a collective philosophy, not a philosophy of individualism. Furthermore, Mike goes on to call Sacco and Vanzetti “criminal anarchists” to differentiate himself from them. Is he forgetting that Sacco and Vanzetti were innocent? That they were true heroes on a scale he could never reach? Probably not.

        I don’t have a problem with books about nasty people but throughout the book Mike Malice remains a nasty person. He never grows. His hope and dream is that more people can be like him.

        What a chaotic world we’d live in if that were the case.(less)
        flag1 like ? like ? see review

        1. The term anarchist evolved from the left and was a collective philosophy, not a philosophy of individualism.

          Stirner published The Ego and Its Own a mere four years after Proudhon coined the term. Go fuck yourself, Shelves.

        2. ” Is he forgetting that Sacco and Vanzetti were innocent?”

          And he knows this…how?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…..stigations

        3. …”Totally egotistical, anti-social, anti-collective and completely hostile.”…

          3 out of 4 is hitting .750! Not bad!

          1. I AM NOT COMPLETELY HOSTILE, DAMMITALL!!!!!

  12. Quotas are a particularly unjust way of treating the symptoms rather than the disease. But appearances and feelings, so it makes total sense that they get support.

  13. “Nevertheless, Hernandez has called Prop. 209 a “complete failure” because it led to a less diverse student body. San Diego Democratic Sen. Ben Hueso said in published reports that “Prop. 209 creates a barrier for people of color to access higher education.”

    Jesus. That is some straight up, old-timey, racist shit right there.

    Holy cow, why didn’t he just say what he means? Go ahead Hueso, spit it out. You think darkies are dumb.

    How can ‘people of color’ hear this kind of shit and not object? Don’t they hear what they are saying?

    1. That was my thought, too. Although, I wonder when people of Asian descent got kicked out of the set “people of color”.

      1. I wonder when people of Asian descent got kicked out of the set “people of color”.

        When they refused to “take one for the team” and sacrifice their own interests for the good of the collective.

  14. the bulk of the opposition has come from organizations such as Chinese Americans for Progress and Equality, the Chinese Alliance for Equality, and the Chinese-American Oceanic and Atmospheric Association.

    nerd up

    1. “Chinese Americans for Progress and Equality”

      CAPE!

  15. What happened to Asian support of affirmative action?

    LOS ANGELES ? Asian Americans are overwhelmingly supportive of affirmative action, with about more than 75 percent of Asian American adults supporting “affirmative action programs designed to help blacks, women, and other minorities get better jobs and education,” according to two new reports released this week from the National Asian American Survey (NAAS).

    1. If that’s how they worded the survey, no wonder there were so many yes answers. Who doesn’t want to “help blacks, women, and other minorities get better jobs and education”?

      What about asking: “would you be willing to accept racial discrimination against Asian-Americans in return for greater college and job access for African-Americans and Latinos?”

      1. “Would you rather everyone be rich, or do you hate people and oppose my program?”

  16. Tales of so-called Tiger moms?Asian mothers who impose strict academic standards on their kids?are not fictional. There’s a reason Asian-American and Pacific Islander students make up 14 percent of the state’s high-school graduates but nearly half of freshmen at Berkeley.

    Unfortunately, students from other ethnic groups haven’t always had as much success getting into the state’s top universities.

    Maybe what they need are panther moms.

    1. I’ve seen them on Wall St.
      I’m glad I wasn’t born to one.
      They are under more pressure and have much sharper edges than their Asian Cohorts.

    2. Some of those tigers are cougars.

  17. “As lifelong advocates for the Asian-American and other communities, we would never support a policy that we believed would negatively impact our children,” said Sens. Ted Lieu, Carol Liu and Leland Yee, in a letter last week to Assembly Speaker John Perez.

    So, it depends on whose ox is gored.

    1. See Tesla griping about dealer laws by not ‘zero emission’ credits.

    2. Liberals are liberal until it affects them personally. They then they get all conservative. But then again conservatives do the same when it is their ox being gored, as you put it. I guess being a hypocrite is part of human nature.

      1. What is the definition of a Conservative?
        A liberal that was mugged.

        What is the definition of a Liberal?
        A conservative that’s been convicted of a crime.

  18. Despite this, and being the highest earning income group (by race/ethnicity), Asians actually voted for Obama in higher numbers than Latinos did, nationally and in California IIRC. I believe Asians tended to vote Republican until the last 15-20 years, but the population has expanded rapidly since then and the GOP did a very poor job of maintaining that advantage (to the point where it is now a major disadvantage) among the new Asian voter pool.

    Of course, AA wouldn’t be an issue (or at least would be much less significant, and not a matter of public policy) without public universities.

  19. “Congratulations! You have been accepted to X University in large part because you are either Black, Hispanic, or Native American.”

    How would that make young kids feel if they realized that?

    1. My sister had a friend at the University of Chicago who was Japanese-American.

      She got accepted to Harvard, but she told them to shove it because her acceptance letter started with “Dear Minority Student”. UC’s a better school, anyhow.

      -jcr

      1. Wow! The acceptance letter really stated that? This crap has really gone off the rails.

        1. That’s what it said. This was quite a while ago, around 1980.

          -jcr

  20. Barrier of entry? Makes sense. When I played basketball in college, there was this one team that was so good they were a barrier of entry to us winning the conference. It wasn’t fair. Our AD tried to get a rule change requiring them to wear blindfolds. However, the measure was narrowly defeated.

  21. This is a really good article.

    I remember this.

    After the 1996 change, there were virtually no blacks admitted in freshman year and much fewer Hispanics. More than 50% of the freshman class was Asian once they removed the diversity policy.

    The biggest race impacted by the merit system was actually the white people as this is a ZERO SUM GAME.

    1. That is, white people were negatively impacted the most by replacing the diversity system with a merit system.

      I have a feeling it wasn’t just the blacks/latinos that wanted to change it back.

  22. The new measure, a proposed constitutional amendment that needed a two-thirds legislative vote before putting it on a statewide ballot, was shelved after three Asian-American Democratic senators who had previously voted for the bill removed their support after many of their constituents got wind of the advancing proposal.

    I wonder if after all the back-patting and high-fives, the constituents will stop to ask why would these state senators remove their support for the bill AFTER criticism from the people, rather than criticizing the bill from the very beginning, out of principle?

  23. Diversity = fewer white people.

    1. Wrong, when they had diversity, there were more white people. It was White people that lost out the most.

  24. No one in college cares a diddily crap about diversity. The Asians kids hang among themselves. The international bunch drink and smoke a lot. I was ridiculed because I took Spanish and Taoism class (required by my fine arts major). Yeah, no one takes “ethnic” classes if they don’t have to.

    It’s all about the prestige and a sense of entitlement. No one really cares that the NHL and the local ping pong scene has minimum black or Latino representation.

  25. sometimes its hard to believe how corrupt american political values are.

    advancing institutionalized racism in the name of racial equality. its just sick.

  26. The Asian American community was all for affirmative action- as long as they benefited from it. Now that their kids are on the other end of the affirmative action racial spoils system they’re having second thoughts.

  27. “Prop. 209 creates a barrier for people of color to access higher education.”

    No, shitty parenting and culture create a barrier for people of color to access higher education.

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