No Roads For You, Arizona Lawmaker Says to Illegal Immigrants (and Bail Jumpers)


Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel (that's him pictured) is getting plenty of press mileage from his bill banning illegal immigrants from using "public resources" such as roads, public schools, "or the services of any public entity in this state." "Services" apparently include toilets in government buildings, which has local journalists tittering. Oh yeah; bail jumpers and parole violators would have to use the bushes (those aren't "services," are they?) outside the Capitol Complex, too—though that's a recent addition. Seel has been trying to ban furriners from the highways and byways for years, and finally tacked on the other stuff in an effort to convince people he's not just completely obsessed with immigrants.
For the record, Carl Seel is completely obsessed with immigrants, and also a bit of a whack-job birther.
The current (completely not obsessed with immigrants) version of his legislation, HB 2434, reads:
A. A person commits unlawful use of public resources if the person uses any public resource while present in this state in violation of any regulation, statute or court order or any other operation of law that has determined the person is not lawfully present in this state or that precludes the person from lawfully entering or remaining in this state, including an executive office for immigration review deportation order, a signed agreement to not return to the United States between the person and the United States Immigration and customs enforcement or an order by another state requiring the person to not leave that state while on bail or a similar court order.
B. Any record that relates to the immigration status or illegal presence of a person in this state is admissible in any court without further foundation or testimony from a custodian of records if the record is certified as authentic by the government agency that is responsible for maintaining the record.
C. Motor vehicles that are used in violation of this section are subject to seizure for forfeiture in the manner provided for in chapter 39 of this title.
D. A violation of this section is a class 1 misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation of this section is a class 6 felony.
E. For the purposes of this section, "uses any public resource" includes driving on a public road or highway, accepting any public benefit, attending a public school or using the services of any public entity in this state.
You'll notice that the bill authorizes state officials to snatch motor vehicles from foreigners seeking opportunity in this country (no, I don't care that they're violating immigration laws to do so) and, oh yeah, bail-jumpers. That would be civil asset forfeiture "without court process."
In Seel's favor, he also wants the state of Arizona to tell the feds to stuff their gun restrictions. I don't know how effective such a law would be, but devoting more of his time to even a Quixotic effort to expand freedom would be an improvement over a jihad against immigrants—especially one that uses legalized theft as an enforcement tool.
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Look at that picture! This is obviously an Onion article. I don't believe such person exists.
That's funny 'cuz I was wondering when my friend's uncle Steve moved out to Arizona.
He looks like the inspiration to the Simpsons' Cletus.
Area Man Sticks it to his Gardener.
Unintended consequences? WTF are those
- Carl Seel (R-Arizona)
Thanks for lighting the 'murican beacon...
"Ah lukh french fried pertaters."
mmhmm.
I actually was following his logic until we got to the asset forfeiture. Until that point, I thought his only error, if error it was, was to take the immigration laws seriously and to give enforcement tools to the state since the feds aren't being serious.
Then I saw the asset forfeiture, and I thought, "so now we get to hear about cops taking a citizen's, or permanent resident's, car because he didn't have the right papers. Or because his name is similar to that of a fugitive from justice. And then the time and expense of proving one's innocence is great enough that the guy may as well just get a new car."
There's no logic in the "roads" thing because the roads are paid for with gas taxes which illegal immigrants are paying.
So denying them use of the roads they paid for IS asset forfeiture.
No, if you don't have the right to be walking around free in Arizona, then making it a crime to use the roads simply tacks on penalties for already-illegal behavior.
There's no logic in the "roads" thing because the roads are paid for with gas taxes which illegal immigrants are paying.
*boom*
And we stumble into my argument about why an income tax is immoral, stupid and untenable. A [sales tax] collects from everyone, including people in the black market.
MAINTENANCE on the roads is paid for by gas taxes. The roads aren't.
Based on the portrait, I'll go with somewhere along the Cahulawassee River.
da-da-ling-ding-ding
Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel
We're never gonna survive unless he gets a little crazy.
The guy looks a little Richard III-ish.
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No roads for you!
Sounds like an opportunity for the free marketeers at Reason and Cato and the US Chamber of Commerce to produce their own immigrant-friendly private road system.
Private roads moving forward in one town.
http://articles.chicagotribune.....long-grove