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Tonight on The Independents: Obamacare, the NSA, Death by Drones, the GOP and Immigration, and More!

Peter Suderman | 2.10.2014 6:47 PM

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Greetings humans!

The Independents is playing in and on your TV box at 9 pm ET, 6 pm PT on Fox Business Network, and that means you should watch it, or time-shift it, or tape it, then watch the repeats tonight at midnight and later over the weekend. 

Tonight, we'll be talking about Obamacare, the surveillance state, death by drones, and taking selfies with homeless people, among other topics. 

We'll talk health care and employment, Rand Paul and the Clintons, and drone killing counundrums with Campus Reform reporter Katherine Timpf. We'll discuss immigration and multi-culti soda-pop commercials with Allen West.

Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) will be on for a conversation about the surveillance state. Pro-football veteran Chris Carr will be on to talk about the possibility that an openly gay man might be drafted into the National Football League. And Kmele Foster and I will mix it up over the varying merits of the print and broadcast versions of The Walking Dead. 

I'll be sitting in as a guest co-host, filling the chair usually occupied by Matt Welch, who is currently on a boat. Tune in, and tell us what you think on Twitter: @IndependentsFBN. 

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Why the hell is Suderman posting this?

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Oh, I see, the cruise. If I've said it once, I've said it a million times: Sea travel ruins everything.

      1. db   11 years ago

        How many of us H-n-Rers have attended the cruise?

        1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

          Steve Smith. Seriously.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

            That would make a good movie.

          2. SweatingGin   11 years ago

            It's the implication

        2. SweatingGin   11 years ago

          They don't let jerks like us on it.

          Last step in booking a ticket:

          "Enter your H&R handle: "

          Sorry, we're unable to complete the reservation at this time. Please call 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF for more information.

        3. Agammamon   11 years ago

          Eh, I spent 12 out of 21 years in the Navy on a ship or running a barge - I ain't in a hurry to go back on the water.

      2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        I had to put a patch behind my ear the last time I was on a cruise.

        Suffice to say I ain't 'Deadliest Catch' material.

  2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Mr. Megan McArdle fills in while Welch is busy "cruising" the Caribbean. Does TV get any better than this?

    Also Peter, we like you, but there's this hate contest Welch started, so be ready for that.

  3. Suthenboy   11 years ago

    When first elected, this administration banned FOX news from White House briefings and attempted to define who was and was not a legitimate news agency.

    Recently, while being interviewed by Bill O'Reilly, Obama accused FOX news of inventing and pushing fake scandals involving his administration, laying the blame for those scandals solely on that news agency.

    Now this; Carney implies that false reports about the Iranian navy are inventions of FOX news.

    "When pressed again on whether he was disputing the warships report, Carney quipped, "Is Fox reporting that they're moving warships closer to the U.S.?"

    He was reminded that Iran made the claim, and it was reported by several wire services."

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014.....fox-thing/

    Is this really just partisan hackery, or is team Obama really that out of touch with reality?

    1. seguin   11 years ago

      Can't it be both?

    2. Episiarch   11 years ago

      TEAM BLUE is dumb enough to be bought off of stories by calls of "look over there! FAUX NEWS!". Why wouldn't Obama and crew use their own TEAM's stupidity to deflect criticism? They've shown over and over what they think of their supporters, and frankly, it's about on par what we think of them.

      It's part and parcel of TEAM BLUE leaders to use the stupidity of their supporters to their own advantage. Hell, that's the partial game plan of every politician, regardless of TEAM.

  4. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    WAR ON WOMYNS

    NASCAR Hall of Fame driver Richard Petty says Danica Patrick can only win a Sprint Cup Series race "if everybody else stayed home."

    The seven-time champion made the comment during a Sunday appearance at the Canadian Motorsports Expo in Toronto, according to the website wheels.ca.

    Petty also said Patrick only gets attention because she's a woman, but added that publicity is good for NASCAR.

    "If she'd have been a male, nobody would ever know if she'd showed up at a racetrack," Petty said,

    Gentlemen, start your butthurt.

    1. ~Knarf Yenrab~   11 years ago

      Michael Jordan sucked as a AA outfielder, but he put butts in the seats. Though the exotic appeal of a female nascar driver is somewhat lost on me.

      1. JeremyR   11 years ago

        It's an attempt to get social justice types to watch NASCAR.

        Which is a pretty vain hope, but still, their audience is stagnant.

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          If you mean "hubba hubba, show us some social justice," then probably yes.

    2. JeremyR   11 years ago

      He's not wrong. She's a terrible driver.

      1. seguin   11 years ago

        You're exaggerating. She's not terrible, she's just not good enough to justify the attention she's gotten by the dint of her efforts alone. If it weren't for the novelty factor, she'd be an also-ran - which is still a good race car driver.

        1. Virginian   11 years ago

          She's terrible for the circuit she's in. When someone says a professional athlete is terrible, they mean terrible for their current league or circuit or whatever.

          Blaine Gabbert is a terrible NFL quarterback. That just means he's not one of the 30 best in the world at what he does. Doesn't mean he's a bad quarterback. He might thrive in the CFL or in arena football. But he's not NFL level talent.

  5. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    I'll be sitting in as a guest co-host, filling the chair usually occupied by Matt Welch, who is currently on a boat.

    This is the correct link for any references to boats.

    1. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

      I'm on a boat!

      1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

        Also acceptable.

    2. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

      Evening Reasonoids.

      My contribution to the Reason Cruise Music theme.

    3. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

      Descendents: Catalina

      Ah yes, here I am, far away from everyone
      The only fish I smell
      Is on the deck of my boat
      Yeah, I want to go, I really want to go
      but my motor's broken
      There's no scotch tape, I'm out of gas,
      Looks like I'm stuck here
      Shit, it looks like I'm stuck here

      I'll steal some gas, fix my motor
      Turn on my Doors tape
      And get you out of my head
      Get you out of my head

  6. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Pro-football veteran Chris Carr will be on to talk about the possibility that an openly gay man might be drafted into the National Football League.

    I'm more interested in how a team would go about the long-standing tradition of hazing the camp rookies.

    Like would it draw criticism if they made Sam dress up in a feminine costume despite it being something they do to all players?

    1. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

      Like would it draw criticism if they made Sam dress up in a feminine costume despite it being something they do to all players?

      Yeah, I think that would draw severe criticism. Whichever team drafts Sam will have to have a plan in place on how to handle rookie camp, OTA's and pre-season. The owner, general manager, head coach, defensive coordinator, position coach, and team captains will have to get together and map this out. Of course hazing, an NFL tradition, and a team building experience will be fine. But it will have to be neutral in regards to Sam's sexuality. So I would say, feminine costume: bad idea. Carry veterans pads/click-clacks/helmet: fine.

      It will be interesting.

      1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

        What about paying for senior players to go to strip clubs in vegas?

    2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Hazing at the professional level is ludicrous.

    3. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

      I thought ALL NFL players were gay?

      If not, what's all that touching each other's asses about?

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        There's a lot of high-fiving, it cancels out the ass touching.

        1. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

          That's right, I forgot about the high five no-gay.

          1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            I'm immortalizing that relationship by making this as widely known a thing as possible. Also I'm perfectly ok with giving someone a high-five after an activity if it makes someone more comfortable.

    4. Virginian   11 years ago

      What's gonna be funny is when he goes in the middle rounds, and people who don't know shit about football will say it's because he's gay. I've not seen any analysts putting him as a round one pick. I think ol Mel has him in the third or fourth.

      1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        I'm not football expert, but he seems like the kind of player that would find it difficult to make a team out of training camp.

        I hope he's okay with completely negating any chance he'll ever have of being judged solely by his abilities and not what he symbolizes.

        1. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

          Yeah, but it's a difficult choice about when to come out.

          If he comes out after being drafted then he might face a backlash from the team/management because they're now involved in a situation they hadn't anticipated.

          If he does it before (as he did) he's hoping a team will draft him despite the added media.

          The third choice is to stay in the closet - not really an option if you ask me.

          I feel for him, regardless.

        2. Virginian   11 years ago

          he seems like the kind of player that would find it difficult to make a team out of training camp.

          In NFL draft terms, he's what we call a tweener. He's undersized for an NFL line at 6'2/255lbs. Even in a 4-3, they like their DEs to be bigger (Like, 275 or so). So he'll probably have to transition to being a pass rushing linebacker working in a 3-4. Except he doesn't have the coverage skills right now, so he'd have to learn those. Which means he will not, and never would have gone early in the draft, because he's got talent, but he needs coaching. This is not a guy who is going to come in and have an immediate impact.

          1. Warty   11 years ago

            The vile, horrible Steelers have historically done very well with these tweeners. Someone will draft him for his pass rushing skills and see what he does.

            I'm also not comfortable that someone who is the exact same size as me can be characterized as "small". I need to get huger.

        3. montana mike   11 years ago

          Not really, he has pass rushing skills and the consensus is his value lies in a 3-4 defense. To this point not very strong vs the run. Of course that was the take on Robert Mathis and he worked out pretty well. So in the right scheme he'd be a good shot to make a roster. Also could contribute on special teams.

  7. kibby   11 years ago

    Too bad they weren't reading the comments from the last thread, or we could have had hot redhead Australian chick in Matt's chair tonight.

  8. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    Mr. Suderman: Kennedy is going to eat you alive. Do not fight it, that is the correct way to fulfill Matt's role.

  9. RishJoMo   11 years ago

    That dude jsut looks corrupt as the day is long!

    http://www.GoAnon.tk

  10. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    There's a plus size model on Cavuto right now. She's hot.

  11. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    There's a plus size model on Cavuto right now.

    Kate Upton?

    1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

      Lizzie Miller"

  12. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      You're always...premature with this. Is there a personal problem you want to discuss with us? You've got 10 minutes.

      1. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

        From my perspective, there's no such thing as premature.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          That's because you're a man.

          1. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

            It's all about me.

            1. kibby   11 years ago

              Yeah, we've noticed.

    2. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

      I got no cable/Dish/Direct, etc. Is there a good place to find it streaming?

    3. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkSPmsZxesw

  13. The Late P Brooks   11 years ago

    Independents? No can do.

    Ferrari Challenge (from Daytona, presumably) coming up on FOX Sports 2.

  14. Killaz   11 years ago

    Hey Suderman, are you going to be on for the week? Which would be cool. Can't tape it tonight, its going up against Ancient Aliens, and I am all about that shit. But tomorrow evening the television shall be mine.

  15. BigT   11 years ago

    Anyone else having issues with the streaming of Fox Business? It won't get past the sign-on.

    1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      http://www.zenex.tv/foxbusiness11 is working for me

      1. EDG reppin' LBC   11 years ago

        Thanks!

      2. BigT   11 years ago

        Thanks. That works. Fox Business didn't

  16. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Meanwhile....in 18th century Versailles...

    Feel the scourge of income inequality!

    1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

      She's fucking oblivious.

  17. Bobarian   11 years ago

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE

  18. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Celtic glyph earrings. Meh, I prefer dreamcatchers.

    1. Bobarian   11 years ago

      Those are green doilies!

      1. Episiarch   11 years ago

        I'm color blind! Fuck you!

        1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

          It's in your favor in this case.

        2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

          Half the Eye-talians I know are color blind. What's up with that?

          1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

            Defectives. They're hardly even europeans.

          2. Killaz   11 years ago

            There is a speech in True Romance that explains this.

            Tarantino was channeling Elmore Leonard hard in that script.

            1. Episiarch   11 years ago

              Hey, I'm not Sicilian!

  19. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I don't think Rand is watching.

  20. BigT   11 years ago

    Green earrings? Ecologically correct? Bio-degradable?

  21. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Suderman looks like a poindexter.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Suderman looks different every time I see him on TV/pictures of him.

  22. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Suder Man looks stiffer than Jack Webb. We're off to a good start!

  23. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Oh, Keith, you shameless whore.

  24. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

    Suderman is WAY too clean cut for this show.

  25. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    Until I see

    Tonight on The Independents: Kennedy does the whole show topless

    I'll pass.

    And even then, unless that's the one they repeat on Sunday night (which is the only one I watch a little of) I'll pass.

    I won't even puff puff first.

    Just pass.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      THIS IS WHY THERE ARE NO FEMALE LIBERTARIANS.

    2. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      She does a topless segment on every episode. Except full-nude Fridays.

    3. Bobarian   11 years ago

      Kennedy does the second half of all shows topless.

      (Just trying to get the ratings up)

    4. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

      What? She's not topless on your network?

  26. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    Suderman has already talked more than Matt on an average episode.

  27. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    SUDERMAN YOU'RE MONOPOLIZING THE CONVO.

  28. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Suder-Man is like the Larry to Matt's Moe, Kmele's Curly, and Kennedy's Shemp.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Going for the two-minute hate again, already?

      1. Max Power   11 years ago

        Kmele is the looks, Suderman is the brains, Kennedy is the wildcard?

        1. Episiarch   11 years ago

          I thought Kennedy was automatically the useless chick. Or is that Suder-Man?

    2. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      KENNEDY IS NOT SHEMP.

      1. Episiarch   11 years ago

        Take a gander at her when she needs cheese and tell me that again.

    3. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      Who's Joe Besser?

    4. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      +1 woo-woo-woo-woo-whoop-whoop-whoop!

  29. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Katherine's hipster glasses are bigger then yours, Kennedy. She's challenging you in your nest!

    1. Killaz   11 years ago

      Squawk Off!

  30. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Professor Sweater is going to explain to us why Democrats are, um, right on this.

  31. BigT   11 years ago

    Don't worry, these numbers are uncertain!

  32. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Why is it every time they have on comedians, they never crack any jokes? At least she's quite cute.

  33. Slammer   11 years ago

    I hope those earrings are rare, endangered baby tortoise shells.

    1. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

      Shucked by orphans.

  34. sarcasmic   11 years ago

    You guys are actually watching it and doing a play by play?

    Fuck that.

    I'm filling a pitcher with homebrew and going next door to play cards.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Screw you guys! I'll start my own libertarian show! With hookers! And Blackjack!

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        Go on...

  35. Bobarian   11 years ago

    The blonde is staring down the sweater guy!

  36. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Rand isn't afraid of Team Clinton. That alone is a huge positive.

  37. BigT   11 years ago

    Rand is trying to neuter the war on wymens

  38. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Derp prices sink on news of fresh reserves from Aaron Sorkin's The Newsroom. Here we learn that debating about raising the debt ceiling will destroy the economy.

    AAAAUUUUGGGGH! RUN IN CIRCLES! FLAIL YOUR ARMS!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWMrfjAsghY

    1. James Hatt   11 years ago

      jesus I've never thought fuck this show is stupid so fast. It's an amazing mixture of sanctimony and smugness. And people reccomend this show. Is it seriously just a drama about liberals whining about their talking points not sweeping through the country and enciting a revolution every week?

  39. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Kmele putting the hurt down on Rand.

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      Stick to your knitting, Rand.

  40. ~Knarf Yenrab~   11 years ago

    Dear The Independents: your guests are idiots when it comes to Rand Paul. Thank you.

  41. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Rand Paul is trying to push back against the War on Women meme. It's never going to work BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

  42. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    Keep it clean, you asshats.

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Fuck you, asshole. Go cram it wherever your species traditionally crams things.

    2. kibby   11 years ago

      You're not my supervisor!

  43. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Clinton's economy wasn't even Clinton's.

    The only good thing Newt Gingrich ever did.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Losing the last primary was pretty good.

      1. Bobarian   11 years ago

        I'll give you that one.

  44. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Surprised at the negative reaction to Rand tweaking the Lewinsky thing. I think it really does expose liberal and feminist hypocrisy given how sociopathic the entire set of facts make Clinton look.

    1. Bobarian   11 years ago

      Hillary's reactions in the professors notes don't make her look presidential.

    2. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      You don't know the half of it:

      Oooh, imagine swallowing the presidential cum.

      - Erica Jong, feminist

  45. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    The turd of a story about Hillary's notes this week is but a mere turtle head poking out of the bowels of the mainstream media, and Rand Paul is just trying to coax it all the way out. I have no problem with that.

  46. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Huh, step 3 really is profit in that GOP immigration commercial.

  47. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Smashing Pumpkins as the bumper? What the fuck is this, 1994?

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      Do you have some sort of problem with 1994??

      1. Episiarch   11 years ago

        Who doesn't?

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          I'm not a person, I see how it is. *runs away crying*

          1. Episiarch   11 years ago

            If I haven't made a girl cry, my day isn't complete. It's been that way since 1994.

            1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

              a day without girls crying is like a day without sunshine.

              1. kibby   11 years ago

                If you wanted a reason for the lack of female libertarians, I'm pretty sure both of you are it.

  48. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    Dance, Suderman!

  49. Slammer   11 years ago

    Comedian girl: " Like, omgz, a 16 year old affair, like, who cares!"

    I'm pretty sure you'd care if you were date/groped/raped by someone twice your age who used you as a humidor.

    1. sasob   11 years ago

      If you're referring to "Blewinsky", you must be joking. Not to defend Cigar Bill and his shenanigans, but if anyone was the instigator/predator in that particular escapade of his, it was she - not Clinton.

  50. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    LEX LUTHER!

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      Does he try to convert Superpope to Protestantism?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Luthor is copyrighted. What can you do?

  51. Episiarch   11 years ago

    And we have Kennedy with another almost faux pas, narrowly avoided. Now that's entertainment.

  52. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Kennedy just briefly cringed at how lame that 'gay-yer' line was.

    1. Bobarian   11 years ago

      Her ADD keeps her from dwelling on it.

  53. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    The locker room is........ a locker room.

  54. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Pretty soon the librarian is going to shush Carr.

  55. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Is Carr baked off his ass? Because he sure seems like it. I mean, I can't fault him if he is.

    1. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

      Yummy, giraffe. Tastes like chicken.

      Almost as good as Snowy Owl.

  56. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Apparently New Orleans fans are worse than Hitler.

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      This doesn't come as a surprise, somehow.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        One expects it from Philadelphia. It's the worst place on Earth for a reason: the people there be universally assholes. But NOLA?

  57. Episiarch   11 years ago

    AIGGGHHH WAYNE ALLEN ROOT

  58. Max Power   11 years ago

    AAAHHH! Wayne Allen Root!

  59. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    OH FUCK WAYNE ALLEN ROOT!

  60. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    Haha, Kennedy made a getting laid joke and the guest just stared blankly.

  61. Slammer   11 years ago

    Kennedy wants Carr to pay her a visit

  62. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    To hell with guacamole competitions, this show needs live cockfighting.

  63. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    Gooooold!!!

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Every instinct screams SELL SELL SELL! Wayne Allen Root is selling gold, RUN AWAY!

  64. Max Power   11 years ago

    At least Wayne Allen Root didn't call himself a libertarian.

  65. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    "Now I'm just a simple country congressman..."

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      It's a "simple country hypercongressman", you twit!

      Badger?!? Where?!?

    2. Slammer   11 years ago

      It's Walter Brennan

    3. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      "I'm sorry I thought you was corn."

    4. Bobarian   11 years ago

      I'm just a simple country hyperchicken

  66. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Oh look, a fucking Congressperson who actually gives some bureaucrats shit. What a shame that's such a rarity.

  67. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    I'm not as sophisticated and urbane as Kennedy, but do you nibble on a Vienna sausage?

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Depends on what you're trying to insinuate.

    2. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Try to read between the lines, yokel.

    3. kibby   11 years ago

      Go buy some & try. We'll reimburse you when you return with results.

      1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

        He's going to have to record it and post it on youtube. Maybe while asking politicians tough questions.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          I am interested in this.

      2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        When I hear Vienna sausage I think of the tiny ones in sauce you buy in a can.

        So tiny that it would be illogical to nibble on them.

        1. Episiarch   11 years ago

          So they remind you of yourself? And your mom?

          1. kibby   11 years ago

            Wow. Someone missed their nap today!

            1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

              I let him have that one. He's a sad little man, he doesn't have much.

              1. Episiarch   11 years ago

                All I have is this thermos...and this can of Vienna sausages...and this lamp...

                That's all I need!

  68. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Nibble on a sausage?

    Kennedy seems to be (overly ) fixated tonight.

  69. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

    Is Poe a Republican?

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      The accent says yes.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        So does the R after his name.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          That's CHEATING.

  70. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    There seem to be plenty of FISC judges fine with rubber stamping de facto blanket warrants.

  71. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

    Fuck, who is this guy? I like.

    1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      Let me know how he does when there isn't a D in the whitehouse.

      1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

        Ooh! Oooh! I know!

        Goes in favor of State power all the way!

  72. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Audit the 215!

  73. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Government is getting drunk, lifting its shirt and making out with other same-sex governments. IT'S GONE WILD!

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Tell me you're filming it. Make sure you get releases!

      1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        Be wary of fake IDs. She may claim to be 227 years old, but that document is written in Ye Olde English and is tough to verify.

        1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

          The variable space font is a dead giveaway.

    2. playa manhattan   11 years ago

      Does Episiarch work for MyCleanPC.com?

  74. kibby   11 years ago

    It's only been a half hour? Tonight's dragging...I blame the lack of Welch.

    1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      You would.

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        I dunno. I feel the same way.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          THANK YOU.

    2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      If you donate a large enough sum to Reason I'm sure Nick Gillespie would make Suderman wear a Matt Welch mask the rest of the week.

      1. kibby   11 years ago

        That might just be creepy. I also don't know if it would be worth my not eating for the rest of the semester.

        1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

          Look, after The Revolution do you want be sent to the mass incubators along with the rest of the women or do you want to be in Commander Welch's personal harem?

          Because you have to earn that with demonstrated devotion.

          1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

            Pffft. If no one has taken out commander welch before he tries to have a Harem, I will. It's the war of all-on-all, after all.

            1. kibby   11 years ago

              But I don't particularly want to be in your harem.

              1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                Who said anything about my harem? After the revolution, when Colonel Gin, you'll be working in the juniper mines.

                1. kibby   11 years ago

                  When I rule the world, there will be no gin for you. SUCK IT.

                  1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                    Hah, Is fine. I will make a fortune bootlegging.

                    1. kibby   11 years ago

                      From the dungeons? Good luck with that. I'm sure the sewer rats will be really eager to help you out!

                    2. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                      I escaped from your dungeon once, I can do it again.

                      Those rats have no tolerance.

                    3. kibby   11 years ago

                      I infused them with the blood of whiny progressives in a moment of boredom, so that's not entirely their fault.

  75. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    In the right part of town you can get a handy for $10.

    1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      "right"

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Hey, I didn't say it was a good handy. No guarantees for a ten-spot. Especially if my hand cramps up.

  76. Max Power   11 years ago

    Dogs don't wanna eat Rodman.

  77. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Rodman puking and shitting in Pyongyang sounds like a completely appropriate response.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Who hasn't puked all over pyongyang?

  78. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    He's like George H. W. Bush in Japan. Certain American statesmen have trouble holding down lunch in the Pacific rim.

  79. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Rodman solved the trick to getting out of NK?

    Look for an epidemic!

  80. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Kennedy dislikes the hobo selfies because she's afraid she'll find herself in one after her next binge. That Listerene is a mean wine.

  81. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    They're making homeless plank and knock people out while doing the Macarena?

  82. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

    I disagree, Kennedy. Jon Hamm is not a meat lover.

  83. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    WHAT'S THE POINT OF DUMB STARBUCKS? Everything has to have a point.

  84. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    The dumb people waiting in line for Dumb Starbucks.

  85. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    SHE MADE A HAMMACONDA REFERENCE!

  86. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Wkat did I say! She's fixated.

    John Hamm's Ham?

  87. BigT   11 years ago

    How would they feel about Dumb Independents?

    1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      Before they're cancelled they need to dress up the set like the bridge of the TOS Enterprise and do a Mirror Universe show.

      Matt is a charming and charismatic progressive, Kmele a race baiter like Sharpton, and Kennedy has a beard and sits quietly.

      1. Episiarch   11 years ago

        So Suder-Man would be Wesley? I'm just trying to get a bead on this.

        1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

          Suderman would be Chekov. He'll spend most of the show in the background in the Agony Booth.

          1. Episiarch   11 years ago

            Really? Upon reflection, I was thinking he was more Horta than anything else.

            NO DORK I

      2. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

        I think we have next Friday's theme. Bravo to you, sir.

  88. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Who else really, really wants to give Suder-Man a wedgie? Preferably atomic?

  89. BigT   11 years ago

    Isn't cockfighting one word?

    1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      It.....depends.

    2. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Maybe, but it's pronounced cockfighting.

  90. SIV   11 years ago

    COCKFIGHTING!!!

    1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      KOCHFIGHTING!!!!!

  91. Ska   11 years ago

    I came here for the Walking Dead hipster comic book readers vs. unwashed masses TV viewers.

    Who here doesn't want to see Lucille getting her freak on?

  92. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Pow! You've just been Von Duprinned.

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Ouch! That stings!

  93. Slammer   11 years ago

    Every time I hear cockfight I think of the great Warren Oates

  94. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Goddammit. I was told there would be no more immigration talk.

  95. Episiarch   11 years ago

    "Some of my best friends are Canadians."

    1. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

      Really?

      1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

        You tell us. You live in Canada Jr.

        1. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

          They stay up there north of that line. We have drones.

  96. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    WINNIPEG JETS.

  97. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    Brutal!!!

  98. kibby   11 years ago

    This guy has all the charisma of a dead trout.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      It's the lack of a tie, I agree.

    2. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      Hey what is paper cup, chopped liver?

  99. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    Haha, there's where he's gone wrong "I don't have any problem with Canadians"

  100. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    The Newsroom discovers that people say mean/stupid things on the internet; anonymity bemoaned. Remember guys, this is how things work in lefty libby lalaland:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwHN6vEaqU

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      From one pseudonym to another, fuck them.

    2. Killaz   11 years ago

      Sorkin has a talent for nailing the culture of boorish, low class oafs mistake themselves for being the elite. Wait, these aren't documentaries?

  101. Episiarch   11 years ago

    This dude's fade looks like it's made out of fishing line.

  102. BigT   11 years ago

    Exacerbate our unemployment situation!

  103. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Start with a fence. Add a moat. Gatling guns next. Do it incrementally.

    1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      But enough small business solutions to Obamacare, what about immigration?

    2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      Alligators. It's all about the alligators.

    3. Episiarch   11 years ago

      "Nothing to lose your head over, eh?"

    4. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      Why not make it game show? Like the Running Man.

      1. Episiarch   11 years ago

        AHEM. Look at the quote above your comment.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

          FUCK YOU ASSHOLE

          1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

            Dynamo was pretty cool. The others were meh.

  104. Episiarch   11 years ago

    You really should just let Kmele talk for most of the show.

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      Just once!

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Even while he's talking Kennedy's pie hole is running full tilt in the background.

        1. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

          So she talks constantly and they just turn her mic on and off? That makes sense, actually.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

            They need a Kennedy wrangler.

  105. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    Kennedy was way harder on Allen West than she was on Anthony Wiener.

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      So, she likes Weiner? And cockfighting.

  106. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    "Rick from Pawnstars here. You've got 50 razor blades there, and this guy just said they're worth $200. I'll give you 7 bucks."

  107. kibby   11 years ago

    Goodie, a catheter commercial! Can't we just have the Tom Hiddleston one again?

  108. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Cock. Ring. I don't get it, Kennedy.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      I gotta stop tuning out the show.

  109. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Was Suderman's gaze fixed on that red sweater?

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      I won't tell Megan.

    2. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

      Like all married men, he is blind to other women now.

    3. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Her sweater is red?!?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        You would be such dead weight in the zombie apocalypse.

      2. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        Christmas must really suck for the color-blind.

        I keed! I keed!

  110. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Fixated, I tell ya!

  111. Episiarch   11 years ago

    This show needs to steal the "IS IT RACIST?" segment from Tosh.

  112. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...

  113. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    God damnit, even Kmele's dog is adorable.

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      Seriously.

  114. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Cock-fighting was a big thing here in KY not that long ago.

  115. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Oh look, not only is Kmele the best panelist, he's also logical and sensible about other things too, including animal rights stupidity.

  116. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Foster is pure anarchy.

  117. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    Will non-libertarians watching this get the purity test joking?

    Is anyone watching this besides us?

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Look at the commercials, jesse. People with small businesses dumb enough to move to NY, who need disposable catheters in bulk. And might consider buying gold from Wayne Allyn Root.

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        I can't look at the commercials I'm watching it streaming through foxnews.com. It just shows me "Commercial break in progress your show will return shortly"

        It sounds like the commercials are really entertaining.

        1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

          Wayne Allen Root selling gold, mycleanpc.com etc etc.

          No walk in tubs this time, though.

    2. playa manhattan   11 years ago

      According to the sudden change in advertising, probably not. Did you buy any gold today?

  118. Bobarian   11 years ago

    Now she just called that guy peter. Fixated!

  119. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

    K is right again.

  120. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    All animal lovers, commence the hate tweeting Kmele Foster!

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Does Tonio tweet? We could rat Kmele out to him and maybe knock Epi off his high horse for the 2 minutes hate score.

  121. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Wow, watch the irrational and emotional panelists gang up on Kmele for being sensible. God damn, animal bullshit really makes most people extra crispy fried stupid.

    1. Killaz   11 years ago

      'K-9 Officer Laid to Rest.'

      http://myfox8.com/2014/01/22/d.....-standoff/

      Like the feudal era all over again where the horses had more rights than the common folk. In this case animal rights is an extension of power for the knighted elite.

      1. Killaz   11 years ago

        Lets see, Tilley was cooperating. He let the hostages go in exchange for cigarettes. He only started firing when the cops sicked the dog on him. Yet, he is being charged with killing a 'k-9 officer' and attempted murder of a deputy who was actually shot by the sheriff. Okay, got it. Forewarned is forearmed.

  122. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    Bobarian, fixated?

  123. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

    Principles children.

  124. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Even Knox is like "Fuck this, it's poker night."

  125. Slammer   11 years ago

    Kennedy: "My FEELZ!!"

  126. Bobarian   11 years ago

    So, Kmele's stance: someone besides Cops should be able to shoot your dog?

  127. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    Kmele++

    Sit there on national TV and say "no, you can't eat my dog, it's my dog"

  128. Episiarch   11 years ago

    AIGGHHH MARKY MARK

  129. Capt. Rimmer   11 years ago

    If we don't own our cocks we don't own shit.

  130. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Thomas Sowell squares off against Frances Fox Piven (of the Cloward-Piven) strategy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQkdSj6arn0

    1. Slammer   11 years ago

      That one's a classic.

  131. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Figures.

  132. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Zombies. Realistic.

  133. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

    11 yo dorks?

  134. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    Oh, this isn't really Kmele, this is comic book segment. Full geek time.

  135. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Personally I thought last night's Walking Dead was pretty fucking annoying. I don't need to watch teenage angst in a zombie apocalypse.

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      It's just a soap opera with zombies!!

    2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      It was fine. You don't have to dump on everything.

    3. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      The Walking Dead is never "good". It's either interesting or not and last night was interesting.

      The show has an uncanny ability of pulling me back in with a good episode of cliffhanger once I start to lose interest.

  136. kibby   11 years ago

    Hey, some of us aren't eleven, Kennedy.

  137. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Dork off? Cockfighting? What's going on here?

    1. Bobarian   11 years ago

      It's Kennnedy:

      Dork Cock peter sausage ham

  138. BigT   11 years ago

    Night of the Living Dead - fine. Dawn of the Dead - OK. All this rip-off shit is shit.

  139. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    If we're talking TV/Movies, I'll say this:

    The most recent Real Detectives was awesome.

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      You mean True Detectives. And yeah, the botched skinhead raid on the black gang drug house was...surreal. And I was really stoned for it too, making it even better.

    2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      You mean True Detective? Then yes, yes it was. That last 20 minutes was better than most movies you'll see in a year. Especially the tracking shot.

    3. Francisco d Anconia   11 years ago

      Yep. Incredible.

    4. playa manhattan   11 years ago

      Dammit. Yes, True Detectives. I was in the middle of a conversation when I typed that.

      I'm curious to see where they go with Mcconaughey's character. He said some crazy shit in the interview.

      1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        Maybe I'll stop trying to watch Looking and give this Detective show of yours a shot.

        1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

          I have the first 4 episodes downloaded in HD in .mkv format if you want them. It's on HBO.

          I watched all 4 in a row last night, and was up until 4am.

          1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

            aac audio or ac3?

            I have ac3-related anger issues.

            1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

              Video: 1280x720 MPEG 4 AVC 23.976 FPS
              Audio: A52 (AC3) 2 channel stereo, 384 kb/s 48000hz

              1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

                Why is this a trend!? It's 2 channel, just fucking encode it in aac or mp3 so it's universally compatible.

                Yeah. I guess I'll take the files...

                1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

                  Don't you use VLC?

                  1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

                    No, I use MPC, which plays AC3 just fine, but I also have a roku box that freaks the fuck out AC3 audio.

                    1. playa manhattan   11 years ago

                      The deal comes with 1/2 of a Fresh Brothers pizza. I have 2 in my fridge leftover from yesterday's birthday party. Package deal.

                    2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

                      I can live with that.

  140. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    Kmele picks up Walking Dead comic book.

    Suderman: "BE CAREFUL WITH THAT!"

  141. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    It's not that kind of cloud. Women don't understand technology.

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      Maybe we just function on a higher plane of being than you.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        OR MAYBE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY. IRON MY SANDWICH AND MAKE ME A SHIRT.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          *functions on a higher plane than you*

  142. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  143. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

    Mr. Suderman, you actually did a fine job.

    Matt, you might want to think about cutting the cruise short.

    1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      He's number two on the list of Matt replacements, behind Naomi Brockwell.

      1. kibby   11 years ago

        Poor Matt. He can't even defend himself.

      2. All-Seeing Monocle   11 years ago

        I accept this ranking.

      3. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        In the power vacuum of Welch's absence I should have taken control. But I can't stand cocktails.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          Is it because you're worried about the date rape drug? 'Cause you don't have to be...we promise.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

            It's because I only have one kidney, and if I'm going to subject it to alcohol it's going to be beer.

            1. kibby   11 years ago

              Pussy.

              1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                Was going to say this earlier, but didn't want to take away your last word.

                Kibby dishes. Christ, she dishes.

            2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

              Wait, are you mono-kidneyed for a cool reason?

              Sold to highest bidder to raise capital for orphan farm and adjacent rare-earth metals mine?

              Was Shanghaid by very pretty, very convincing trannies in SE Asia and woke up in a bathtub full of ice?

              1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

                Unilateral renal agenesis.

                1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                  Google autocomplete on that is awesome:

                  "unilateral renal agenesis is not compatible with life"

                  1. kibby   11 years ago

                    Holy shit, that is hardcore.

                    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

                      Yeah, I guess it was already explained in an earlier, less visited episode of The Independents

                2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

                  Damn, sorry to hear that. No matter what anybody else says, I'M glad it wasn't bilateral.

                  1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

                    If it makes you feel any better, in place of the missing kidney is an accessory spleen, which makes me pretty much invincible.

                    It's really no big deal. I lived with it quite a while without even knowing. But it makes me aware of just how often the topic of kidneys comes up in reason for some, um, reason.

                    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                      But it makes me aware of just how often the topic of kidneys comes up in reason for some, um, reason.

                      Are you suggesting you have a source of kidneys? nudge, nudge

                    2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

                      Postrel is stingy with her other renal organ.

                3. playa manhattan   11 years ago

                  That's awesome. Are you missing any other body parts?

                  1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

                    Are you missing any other body parts?

                    At least I'm not diabetic, color blind or, worst, Canadian.

                    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

                      Hey, I'm not just color blind, I have no appendix, no tonsils, no wisdom teeth, no marrow in my right femur because it's filled with a solid titanium rod, no soul, and no sense of decency. You're nothing, piker!

                    2. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                      So, you're basically Barry, Right?

                      Douche.

                    3. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

                      no soul

                      Did Epi just admit to being a ginger?

                      'Shouldn't we do something for HELPeR, since he is always so helpful?'

                      This went over my head.

                    4. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

                      Isn't HELPeR Dr. Venture's robot?

                    5. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

                      Get back to us when you can afford adamantium rods. (Make sure they get your good side, good side.)

                    6. playa manhattan   11 years ago

                      Is there a good story behind the titanium rod, or is it just a run of the mill masturbation accident?

                    7. SweatingGin   11 years ago

                      Is there a good story behind the titanium rod, or is it just a run of the mill masturbation accident?

                      Think less "Accident" and more "Upgrade"

                    8. playa manhattan   11 years ago

                      Maybe he got a few of his ribs removed too...

              2. Killaz   11 years ago

                'Shouldn't we do something for HELPeR, since he is always so helpful?'

                1. Killaz   11 years ago

                  Damn threading limitations. When I have something to say to Jesse, goddamn it squirrels, you make room.

  144. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    And speak of the devil, a zombie appears right after the Independents.

  145. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Kennedy is telling Irish jokes.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      oh right, live stream.

  146. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Thomas Sowell vs. MUH DIVERSITY!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2l24xOJzA

  147. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Speaking of Sam: There was a Party Down episode about the NFL draft and a [SPOILER ALERT] gay player.

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      Thank you for reminding me how soul-achingly much I miss that show. Thanks TONS.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Watch Parks and Recreation and Children's Hospital. You get the same thing.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          Still doesn't compare.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

            A negative comparison is still a comparison.

            1. kibby   11 years ago

              Okay mister grumpypants. I don't like Parks & Rec (it grates on me) & Children's Hospital is, like, twelve minutes long.

              I may just miss the pink bowties.

  148. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Manhaters on the live stream.

  149. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Europe is racist. That is all.

  150. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    The Newsroom explains that voter fraud just doesn't happen- it's all a conspiracy to disenfranchise *those people*.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAvwSp86hY

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      DO NOT WANT.

    2. Killaz   11 years ago

      Because signing up for my EBT free photo ID is just too hard!

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        There 20 millions adults without ID? How the hell do they buy booze?

        1. Killaz   11 years ago

          They pay a social inequity premium for someone else to go in the store and buy it for them.

  151. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    On Friday, I sent several of the commentariat into shock by derp overload. Tonight's offering is slightly tamer. A critique of Edgar the Exploiter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcPNXuhAnEs

    This one is great for fallacy bingo!

  152. SIV   11 years ago

    Good to see Kmele defending the ancient and honorable sport of cockfighting.

    By Suderman-logic imprisoning gays for consensual sodomy was a good thing because people used to think it was icky.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      That was a different kind of cock fighting.

  153. ~Knarf Yenrab~   11 years ago

    Sold American!

  154. playa manhattan   11 years ago

    RETARD ALERT

  155. Suthenboy   11 years ago

    Genius, Amerikenn! You take a perfectly good example of mendacious hypocrisy and projection from team blue and completely discredit your post with racist idiocy.

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