Pedantic Pediatricians Panic over Raw Milk


They should outlaw black markets, too, just to be extra safe!

Anybody susceptible to bacteria or infections should be careful about their food consumption. The American Academy of Pediatrics cannot seem to deliver medical advice, though, without having to get nanny state about it. Advising against raw milk consumption by pregnant women and small children isn't enough. They want the government to step in and ban raw milk sales nationally. From a Los Angeles Times report:

The American Academy of Pediatrics on Monday warned that pregnant women and children should not drink raw milk and said it supports a nationwide ban on the sale of raw milk because of the danger of bacterial illnesses.

The group's statement said it supports federal health authorities "in endorsing the consumption of only pasteurized milk and milk products for pregnant women, infants and children."

The academy also "endorses a ban on the sale of raw or unpasteurized milk and milk products throughout the United States, including the sale of certain raw milk cheeses, such as fresh cheese, soft cheeses and soft-ripened cheeses."

How serious is the problem?

The pediatricians estimate that 1 percent to 3 percent of dairy products consumed in the U.S. are not pasteurized. From 1998 to 2009, that led to 1,837 illnesses, two resulting in death.

Two deaths in 11 years. Two. Using this standard, how is it legal to sell nuts for human consumption at all?

Read the whole story here, including defenses of raw milk that point out outlawing raw milk sales entirely turns it into a black market and makes it impossible to put together a system to produce it safely.

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  1. Pedantic Pediatricians Panic over Raw Milk

    Alliteration is so pedestrian. But if you're going to do it, Scott, couldn't you have gone with Pedantic Pediatricians Panic over Pasteurization (or lack of it to be precise)?

    1. He was too busy screwing up the alt-text.

      1. Two screwups in one one article? You think he's drunk? I'm just going to assume so.

        1. Drunk? Don't be ridiculous. You're contractually obligated to write while high on opium at any libertarian magazine worth its salt.

          1. What if you're only high on weed?

            1. Then you're just a welfare slacker

              1. I have to get my ass in gear and get some opium.

    2. Pedantic Pediatricians Panice over a Paucity of Pasteurization Present.

  2. Look, if there's one thing we need to learn about life in the early '10s, it's that the only only valid standard is the lowest common denominator.

    1. Just wait until James Cameron raises the bar. Then it will all be better.

  3. The American Academy of Pediatrics on Monday warned that pregnant women and children should not drink raw milk and said it supports a nationwide ban on the sale of raw milk because of the danger of bacterial illnesses.

    They shouldn't drink or smoke either, but we don't ban those things to protect them.

    1. Apparently moderate drinking (up to 7 glasses of wine a week) is healthier than abstaining from alcohol, according to a very wide British study.

      http://www.theguardian.com ? Life & style ? Pregnancy?

      1. Pooched the link, but if it's the same study I read of recently, it boils down to speculating that drinkers tend to be more socially involved than teetotalling shut-ins, which is probably true but doesn't vindicate drinking per se. Of course, drinking is the only way I can fathom socializing with others, so maybe it does.

    2. They've tried, but booze and smokes have too much mainstream support.

      1. They've tried,

        Wasn't there something about a prohibition or something, like 200 years ago?

      2. Smokes will never be banned outright; states depend on the sin tax too much now.

  4. Using this standard, how is it legal to sell nuts for human consumption at all?

    Stop giving them Ideas!

    1. You can have my nuts when you pry them from my warm sweaty...


      1. Why instead? You could do both.

      2. Because they're constantly talking about how there are peanuts in everything, or "is this tea gluten free?"

        1. You might be surprised about what has gluten in it. Cross-contamination is a real thing, and there are plenty of gluten additives on top of that.

          1. I have an uncle with severe celiac who cut out all wheat and wheat products. He kept having a nasty reaction and thought maybe his diagnosis was wrong. Found out his toothpate had some wheat byproduct in it. He found a different toothpaste and has been fine.

            He fuckin' hates Red Bridge though.

            1. The gluten free beers mostly suck (I had an ex-girlfriend who was gluten and lactose intolerant and so tried many of the gluten free beers a number of years ago). He should just switch to wine or booze. Or weed.

              1. There are a lot of good ciders on the market these days, too.

                1. This. A good cider is so much better than gluten-free beer.



    2. WARNING: Nuts are not to be consumed by children under 26, women of child-bearing age or anyone with a history, or family history of food allergies.


      1. No Snowflake is Special w/o a long list of allergies.

  5. Are we getting a Gillespie v. Matthews thread? Or will this have to suffice?

    1. Wait a minute, Chris Matthews isn't even hosting today! They got some other dude filling in for him.

      1. He's afraid to face Nick!

        1. He's afraid to face Nick the Jacket!

  6. So nursing moms need home pasteurization kits?

    1. I will not boil boobies!

  7. First question to Nick (who is wearing a t-shit, sans leather jacket): "doesn't fervency for libertarian thought dissipate once they get past college?"

    Nick hits out of the park with a 'both parties suck' response.

    1. I would have said its the opposite - its college kids who tend to go whole hog for either the liberal democrat or campus Christians for Christ conservative lines.

      Its only later, after having some experience in dealing with the real world, that they start to turn to libertarianism as an alternative to the crazy.

      Not that we're not just as crazy - our craziness is just expressed in different, non-state-enlarging ways.

  8. This will not end well and it bodes ill for the time when decisions are influenced by O'care:
    "Independent brain exam ordered for Jahi McMath"
    "The family believes she is alive," Dolan said. "It is our position that no doctor can make a determination about end of life without parental consent."

    1. This happens more than you might think. My brother in law has to turn off life support equipment for dying kids on a regular basis. If the family fights the inevitable, it turns into a royal clusterfuck.

      1. I don't doubt that, but the family having T-shirts made? Parading in front of the court house?
        I'm smelling law-suit money here.

        1. The coverage on this side of the Bay has been even more intense. Today we learned that she was having a tonsillectomy for sleep apnea, which I was surprised to learn is the number one reason for the old T&A these days. Kid unfortunately had some hemorrhaging and then went into cardiac arrest. It's a risk that happens in about 1/25,000 tonsillectomies. Pretty low odds, but when 500K are done nationally per year, that's twenty severe outcomes to a basic procedure.

          Sevo, you are absolutely right they are setting up for a major lawsuit. Even my wife (not a doc) was saying someone needs to be at fault for this. Community sentiment is going to be on the family's side, I expect the hospital will settle quickly.

          Of course, all procedures have risk, and just because there is a bad outcome doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong or was at fault. Sadly, what has been completely overlooked in all this is, why does a 13-year-old kid have sleep apnea? I don't have the details of the case, but typically sleep apnea is related to morbid obesity. From the one head shot the girl looks at least plump, and I'm guessing she was way overweight.

          So heartstrings are tugged, a poor kid is dead, doctors and hospitals will be sued. No one in all this will point out that perhaps the family shared some fault in letting this kid balloon up. I remember overweight kids when I was a boy, but the children you see today sometimes are downright shocking - and yet all we hear about is "fat acceptance".

          1. Well, that's fucking brutal to read.

            A few years ago, someone from Mrs. Gin/Negroni's ethnic group died during routine sinus surgery. Scary, really. Entirely routine.

            Continuing last night's SweatingGin/Count Negroni... I didn't think there would be so much outcry for the old one. I was going for something that people (Mrs. Gin) looking over my shoulder wouldn't immediately view as worthy of an intervention. Also the ginlettes. Have to consider this further, but the impetus for changing was to have a plausible-deniability handle.

              1. Native American Name, in CamelCase:


                1. Sevo very confused...

            1. Shouldn't her grace be *Countess* Negroni rather than Mrs Gin?

          2. "From the one head shot the girl looks at least plump, and I'm guessing she was way overweight."

            I presume we're both seeing the same mug shot.
            I'm saying "plump" has nothing to do with the excess avoirdupois visible there.
            But that is irrelevant; the docs said 'we can help', the family said 'fine', and then something went wrong. And the family lawyered-up and we get a circus.
            Having a hard time finding sympathy for the LLD who is orchestrating the circus.

    2. "The family believes the body will be reanimated if left exhumed on the sidewalk. It is our position that no legislator or policeman can make a determination to move a rotting corpse."

  9. The ban boner crowd are crawling out from under their rocks, now that Obamacare, that great 'give the government power to ban anything in the interest of public health' blessing, is out of the box.

    Has anyone else noticed the recent flurry of articles attacking vitamins and any type of dietary supplements?

    Last time the ban boners set their sights on supplements was way back when McCain and one of his mini-tyrant sidekicks proposed legislation that failed. But this time, they think they have Obamacare as their secret weapon of oppression.

    1. The amount of nanny-statism, ban boners, and bureaucracy that Obama's presidency has emboldened has been epic. I think it's probably some of the most of any presidency ever. What a fucking tool.

  10. "Erick Munoz wants to allow his currently brain dead wife to die, but state law is keeping her on life support against his wishes because she is pregnant.

    While Erick described his wife as being "simply a shell" at this point, the fetus, now 18 weeks, has shown a normal heart beat in the tests that have been conducted on it.

    Still, Erick wants to remove Marlise from life support because it was something they had discussed prior. There was no formal documentation of Marlise's wishes, but even if there were Texas law prevents a pregnant patient from being removed from 'life-sustaining treatment.'"


    1. Strange situation. Is there a prognosis for the fetus?

      1. 'While Erick described his wife as being "simply a shell' at this point, the fetus, now 18 weeks, has shown a normal heart beat in the tests that have been conducted on it.

        Erick expressed to WFAA that the tests on the baby have been limited.

        'They don't know how long the baby was without nutrients and oxygen,' Erick told the news station. 'But I'm aware what challenges I might face ahead.'

        'We don't know if these babies have been healthy,' Art Caplan, director of the medical ethics at NYU, told ABC News. We tend to see that these babies are born, then it's the end of the headline. ? We don't know the impact of life support on fetal development and the wife being robbed of oxygen. ? It could be a huge challenge for the fetus.'"

    2. That is horrible. No good choices. There isnt even a lesser evil.

      1. I think the choice should be the husband and the wife's (to the extent it can be determined), but yes, it is a tragic situation.

        I have to wonder, who pays for this care under the Texas law? It would strike me as pretty egregious if the husband had to pay for it, and also egregious is taxpayers do.

        1. Taxpayers elected the politicians who put the law in place.

          1. Make the politicians pay for it.

            1. Which they will gladly do - with our money.

      2. Don't let the obvious moral quandaries prevent our legislators from drafting another single-size bill to address it.

  11. Is not this the WebSite Eduard posts a lot of his pro-life stories from?

    "The Religious Right website LifeSiteNews today published an essay from Obianuju Ekeocha of Culture of Life Africa praising Uganda's brutal Anti-Homosexuality Bill and urging other countries to adopt similar measures."


    And the essay in question can be found here:


    1. "Is not this the WebSite Eduard"

      Pretension Overload!!!

    2. Isn't Right Wing Watch the Web site Bo posts many of his stories from, including this one?

      Here's Right Wing Watch denouncing Gun Owners of America:


      And the National Rifle association:


      1. And here's the Right Wing Watch denouncing Rand Paul for opposing "common sense" gun control.


        1. Touched a nerve, eh?

          I actually do not link to Right Wing Watch much at all, but I could swear LifeSite is one you post from a lot.

          Are you not a regular reader of LifeSiteNews? Do you agree with them generally? How about this essay?

          1. Why does Bo have such a boner for EvH?

            1. I am actually just curious as to why a website ostensibly devoted to 'life news' would carry such an applauding rant about criminalizing homosexuality (and failure to report homosexual acts). I remember the site as one Eduard links to quite a bit and seemed sympathetic too and reasoned he might have some insight.

              1. So, you're hoping EvH is Bo-curious? NTTAWWT.

  12. If you cant pee in your front yard, it aint your front yard.


    1. It's not your front yard. If you stop paying your rent to the government property tax, what happens to "your" front yard?

      1. I was grinding my teeth and thinking that very thing.

    2. You just peed in your front yard, didn't you?

      Been a few years since I pissed off my deck.

      1. Actually no, but your post made me think about it which makes me have to piss, so after I post this I am going out on the back deck.

        1. It's too cold for me to piss outside tonight. I only really feel that need when ice fishing.

          That said:
          There are few things as satisfying as standing out in the middle of a clear, cloudless night, freezing one's ass off, and writing one's name in the snow.

  13. Salon apparently misquoted Steve Martin's Twitter joke to make him seem racist

    I was going along fine when someone wrote, "How do you spell "lasonia?" I wrote: "It depends if you are in an African American neighborhood or an Italian restaurant." I knew of the name Lasonia. I did not make it up, nor do I find it funny. So to me the answer was either Lasonia (with a capital), or Lasagna, depending on what you meant. That they sounded alike in this rare and particular context struck me as funny. That was the joke. When the tweet went out, I saw some negative comments and immediately deleted the tweet and apologized. I gathered the perception was that I was making fun of African American names...

    Then, Salon.com reported on the story and changed the wording of the tweet. They wrote: "It depends if you are in an African American restaurant or an Italian restaurant." Clearly, this misquote implies that an African American restaurant can't spell "lasagna" on the menu. And my name was attached to the misquoted tweet. Other websites, including TMZ.com picked up this incorrect version and for the next four days, and more, it continued to spread and I couldn't get out of hell.

    When the error was fixed, neither TMZ nor Salon footnoted it. However, one website which had jumped on me harshly, Twitchy.com, made a generous apology.

    So Twitchy is more honest than Salon. Shocking.

    1. Hey, you're not giving them enough credit. It took active mendacity to change the tweet in the first place. That's not just dishonest, it's flat out lying.

    2. "Comedy is treacherous. I used to try out jokes in clubs and the audience's feedback would tell me when I had crossed a line, or how to shape a joke so it is clear. Today, the process is faster. It's your brain, a button, then millions of reactions. But it's my job to know."

      And this is why I stay off Twitter.

      1. Future Gillespie article: "Twitter is saving Comedy!"

    3. Hmm, has Steve Martin left the reservation? Or is he just like Alec Baldwin?

      1. Martin is way too calculated to ever be like Baldwin. He has a reputation for being very precise in his absurdity. Baldwin on the other hand...

      2. I used to work with a guy that knows Martin well. By his account Martin is a very smart, very nice guy. One of the few in Hollywood that you would want to spend time with.

        1. One of the few in Hollywood that you would want to spend time with.

          No wonder the interwebs will try to smear him as a racist.

          1. Now that you put it that way.....

        2. The guy could be a much greater millionaire by accepting every shitty comedy role offered to him over the past 20 years. Instead he's done a few select movies and focused on things that deeply interest him. That alone puts him way up there on the respectability index.

          1. Instead he's done a few select movies and focused on things that deeply interest him.

            I think L.A. Story and Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid are masterpieces. But I cannot agree with the sentiment given both the Pink Panther "reimaginings".

    4. Salon, Gawker, Jezebel- they're page click trolls. A reasoned apology would make their readers wonder if all of their stories are crap. Can't have that.

      1. I dont wonder if all of their stories are crap.

      2. It seems like, at some point, I remember actual journalism from Salon. (Whether agreed with or not). Maybe I'm misremembering; I can't recall a specific instance of journalism.

        Not sure when the switch was.

        1. Not sure when the switch was

          Election of Obama? Can't sabotage America's first black president who is a Democrat especially after BOOOOOSH.

        2. 15 years ago, yeah. They did a great expose on the Louisiana Alligator Program and the then emerging market in alligator skins.

          Now they are just a proggie circle jerk.

        3. Maybe you're thinking of Slate? I still have a hard time believing they're separate sites.

      3. Can't mess up the narrative.

    5. "Lasonia" would make a good handle for one of Murkin's raids.

    6. LaQuisha and DaVonte are outraged.

      1. Barkevious Mingo (who plays for the Cleveland Browns) feels let down by your choice of names.

  14. Independents Assemble?

    No Welch tonight, but they're talking NSA and their token Left and token Right guests both agree that Snowden should be prosecuted.

    1. No Welch tonight

      Already kicked off?

      1. He's on vacation in France.

        1. of course. Probably off complaining about FATCA.

  15. This is bizarre. The Salon blogger just said that we need to keep in mind what Obamacare does: it redefines the way we practice medicine. From now on doctors will heal you instead of just treating your sickness.

    Kennedy freaked out and pulled out a frying pan.

    1. "From now on doctors will heal you instead of just treating your sickness."

      What the fuck does that mean?

      1. "What the fuck does that mean?"

        It means there's an f'ing brain-dead Obot licking psycho-active boot polish.

    2. Thank you, I forgot about the Kennedy show.

  16. Baylen!! It's like Saturday all over again!

    1. ... and Kmele lays a smackdown on the FDA

  17. I didn't catch every article today, but there was no 100th Fed Birthday article, was there?

  18. Free Matt Welch!

    1. He seems to be having a nice vacation:

      So, I just gashed my forehead on the corner of a giant wooden Bible next to the manger in Lyon's St. Jean's Cathedral. No symbolism, right?

      ? Matt Welch (@mleewelch) December 23, 2013


      1. Just when they think the War is going in their favor Christmas launches a counterattack.

  19. Okay, I'm late. Where's the Independents open thread?

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE! In case this didn't get done by someone else.

    Where the fuck is Welch?

    What the hell, I go to see The Hobbit and the whole world falls apart?

    1. We got in a good 7 or 8 comments on it.

    2. Did you at least like it?

      1. It was fucking awesome. I thought MUCH better than part 1.

        I like how Jackson is merging it with LotR, but I need to go back and read the book because I can't remember what was in the book and what is Jackson.

        1. Legolas was not in the book

            1. Nope. That's Evangeline Lilly from Lost, by the way.

                1. only if she comes with the ears

                    1. Ears, yes. Those piercings? no.

                    2. The piercings do kind of get in the way of the elf thing.

            2. Tauriel was wholly Jackson. She's not even in any of the compendiums or any of the stuff Tolkein's heirs came up with after his death.

              1. Sure. Next you'll claim that there weren't dwarf-tossing jokes in the printed edition of LoTR.

            3. I guess she's not a real redhead. Too bad.

    3. "What the hell, I go to see The Hobbit and the whole world falls apart?"
      Gee, pretty attached to a TV show, aren't we?

      1. Well It's no "Gunsmoke"

        1. I was partial to "Brisco County Jr." and "Hill Street Blues"
          That's all she wrote.

          1. I enjoyed the hell out of that (first) show, but couldn't get past Q.

            No, it's Q. What's Q doing in the old ancient west? I assume he's going to dig up data's head. That, or he's looking for the DeLorean, right?

          2. No Yancy Derringer ?

  20. I went outside for 2 minutes to start my car and my finger almost froze off.

  21. This makes a lot of sense dude.


  22. New: Barbie for John!

    1. Brace for incoming Jezebel shitstorm

    1. Who is this guy Father Christmas, and why is he wearing Santa Claus' s outfit?

    2. She's triple-chinned.

  23. I learned all about the difference between the Right and the Left, and who the people who believe in liberty are today in this brilliant letter-to-the-editor in a Bay Area daily. It looks like someone has access to a thesaurus!

    People don't understand what liberalism is. It's a world view founded upon personal liberty and equality.

    Merriam-Webster defines "liberalism" as "a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities" including race, gender and financial class.

    Real demagoguery is right-wing, aristocratic corporatists usurping one-man, one-vote with oligarchic hegemony manifested through one-dollar, one-vote and improperly bumping minorities off the voter rolls.

    These neoconservatists equate taxes with theft and safety nets with redistribution, even while turning blind eyes to trickled-up malfeasances such as corporate welfare.

    The Right's revisionist sophism incorrectly repudiates that our Founding Fathers' principal watchword was "compromise." They fail to acknowledge our Constitutional Convention entailed four months of compromises, including "The Three-Fifths Compromise" (the counting of slaves) and "The Great Compromise" (congressional representation between large and small states).

    Oh, by the way, it's time that everyone found this out: "Tea party citizen-volunteers" aren't grass-roots organizers -- they are Koch Brothers-funded marionettes.

    Ed Chainey

    1. People don't understand what liberalism is. It's a world view founded upon personal liberty and equality.

      That's what the word used to me, yes. Today's 'liberals' eschew the word liberty for equality and 'progress' that trample liberty.

    2. I do not 'buy this for a second,' no self respecting progressive would cite to the 3/5ths Compromise as laudable. It was the Original Sin of our Founding.

      1. I dont think you understand the context of it.

      2. Is this because no progressive understands that those fighting for 3/5ths (vs whole person) were actually on the side of the slaves?

    3. I'm guessing it was this guy, maybe?

      I'll give him the benefit of the doubt considering he was probably drunk. If I had his job, I know I would be.

    4. If you're going to bump minorities off the voter roles, please, do it properly.

  24. Merriam Webster - he quotes the last half of the 3rd definition:

    "c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)"

    Dictionary.com defines liberalism as:

    a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties."

    1. I'd suggest a crucial aspect of progressivism is shaping mankind into a better, more godly person.

  25. Cop cites couple who stole food from a supermarket, returns the food, and buys them a Christmas dinner -the store security guy chips in.

    Nut punch...or a holiday nut massage?

    http://www.keyc.com/story/2429.....s-an-early -christmas-present

    1. don't. talk. about. Lucy.

      1. I always thought it was "don't talk shit about Lucy"?

      2. It's far worse than I imagined... she's got a: bow-tied ginger-bread totem

        1. Is that supposed to be Murray Rothbard of Jeffrey Tucker?

          1. Both, with a side of bubbles from Trailer Park Boys thrown in. This is an eldritch horror. You've probably already gone mad observing it (thanks, Lucy).

  26. Having only one sidekick makes the show work better. Gives more of a chance to talk.

  27. I tend not to be conspiracy minded, and have to say at the outset I of course can not prove any of the following, but it strikes me as very interesting that as the Obama administration and its 'pet project' hit new polling lows two federal judges, both not just Democratic appointees, but specifically Obama appointees, strike down gay marriage bans in Utah and Ohio. If I were Obama facing the failed implementation of even the first step of his quasi-socialist health care leviathan, I would desperately want the subject changed, and there is not a subject better than gay rights to change the subject. The GOP and SoCon culture warriors, Stupid Party that it is, can be counted on to 'rise to the bait,' and suddenly this current apex of the regulatory state and its inherent failures gets shunted off to the back pages.

    Again, I can not prove this, no one can. But it sure smells to me.

    1. Shitweasel is an enigma. He is smart and slicker than owl shit about politics but dumber than a sack of rocks when it comes to anything else.

      When you reform a system you do it a little at a time to allow people and the system to adjust. You let people know what is coming so they can plan ahead. You get lots of feedback on how the reforms are working.

      This doltish shitweasel surrounds himself with yes-men, jumped in with both feet and a fucking hammer and tore 1/6th of the economy to shit. He changes his mind every hour on what adjustments he will make next. Nobody knows what to do because they have no idea what tomorrow will bring. He has the management skills of an 5 year old.

      Unsurprisingly it is turning out to be the biggest political and economic disaster in american history. The fun is really just getting started.

      1. Shitweasel is an enigma. He is smart and slicker than owl shit about politics but dumber than a sack of rocks when it comes to anything else.

        I don't think he's very smart and slick about politics either. Obama has bumblefucked his way through the Presidency and his total incompetence, including his utter lack of political acumen, has been covered up by a complicit press corps.

        It certainly hasn't hurt him that his "opponents" in the establishment GOP are fucking morons and ideologically compromised, but he's still incompetent at everything, including politics.

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