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The Death of Obama's "Noble Lie"

The disastrous ObamaCare rollout unmasks liberalism's paternalistic dishonesty.

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Back in 2009, to accuse President Barack Obama of lying about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was to crawl onto a pretty lonely branch. In December of that year, when I leveled the charge in response to the president's knowing mischaracterization of the Congressional Budget Office's scoring of his signature piece of legislation, I was called "flagrantly dishonest" by none other than the (rightly respected) civil liberties blogger/reporter Glenn Greenwald.

As recently as November 2012-more than two years after the administration published grandfathering regulations as part of its health care legislation, rendering ludicrous the president's frequently repeated pledge that "if you like your health plan you can keep it"-much of the liberal commentariat was calling the electoral contest between Obama and Republican Mitt Romney a referendum on political honesty. The only way for truth to prevail, they argued, was to vote for the Democrat.

"We may find out whether a 'post truth' candidate can be elected president," Washington Post "Plum Line" blogger Greg Sargent warned just before the election. "If there is one constant to this campaign, it's that Romney has startled many observers by operating from the basic premise that there is literally no set of boundaries he needs to follow when it comes to the veracity of his assertions."

One year later, as the mainstream press was filling up with blow-by-blow accounts of Obama-Care's brutally inept rollout and extravagantly broken promises, once-proud truth tellers like Sargent found themselves in the unintentionally comical position of downplaying the president's mendacity. "The White House could have been clearer in laying the groundwork for this political argument: It wasn't sufficient to say people who like their plans will be able to keep it, which is narrowly untrue," Sargent wrote. Then he pivoted to the real culprits, declaring that "the GOP outrage about Americans supposedly 'losing' coverage is largely just more of the same old misdirection. It's a subset of a larger Republican refusal to have an actual debate about the law's tradeoffs-one in which the law's benefits for millions of Americans are also reckoned with in a serious way."

Such euphemistic apologia and subject changing was common in October and November, as insurance cancellation letters flew into mailboxes by the hundreds of thousands. New York Times editorialist David Firestone, in a piece with the sneering headline "The Uproar Over Insurance 'Cancellation' Notices," referred to Obama's lie as "President Obama's unfortunate blanket statement." The paper's editorial board averred that Obama "clearly misspoke," then claimed the canceled policies were "not worth keeping." House Minority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters: "I don't think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough."

On October 30, the president himself attempted to shift the blame onto "bad-apple insurers," and he suggested that the cancellations of what his administration was calling "junk" plans were affecting "fewer than 5 percent of Americans." The day before, top presidential adviser Valerie Jarrett tweeted, "FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans."

As late as November 4, two days after The Wall Street Journal published a devastating account of how White House advisers had internally debated softening Obama's absolute claim about being able to keep your health plan and doctor, the president was trying to wriggle off the hook by rewriting his own rhetorical history: "Now, if you had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed." Italics mine, to emphasize the lie about the lie.

By this time, even the president's defenders were categorizing Obama's falsehood as, at best, "a 'noble lie' in the Platonic sense of the term," as Salon's Brian Beutler put it on November 7. But even at that late date, "the real lying liars" (in Beutler's phrasing) were, of course, on the other side: "Noble lies have in many ways defined the debate over the Affordable Care Act, but the vast majority of them have been lies conservatives told in a failed effort to nix reform."

All that pettifoggery was rendered moot on the evening of November 7, when the president kinda-sorta apologized for misleading the country. NBC interviewer Chuck Todd asked Obama "Do you feel like you owe these folks an apology for misleading them?" The president, with much hemming and hawing within the ellipses, said this: "I regret very much that…we weren't as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place.…Even though it's a small percentage of folks who may be disadvantaged, you know, it means a lot to them. And it's scary to them. And I am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me."

As reason's Peter Suderman pointed out at the time, the apology itself was not technically accurate. "People aren't 'finding themselves' in 'this situation'-the situation of having insurance plans they liked canceled-because of Obama's 'assurances,' " Suderman wrote at reason.com. "They are finding themselves in that situation because of legislation that his party crafted, rules his administration drafted, and a bill that he promoted vigorously and then signed into law. His assurances misled people about what would happen under that law, but did not cause the plans to be terminated."

The estimated scores of millions of eventual health-plan cancellations that Americans will soon face are not some weird unintended consequence of ObamaCare. They are fundamental to making the law work as written. The Affordable Care Act relies on previously uninsured young people to overpay for coverage they don't need, and for previously insured adults to pay for health contingencies they will never face, be it childbirth for men or pediatric dental care for grandparents. That is what is supposed to allow more people to be covered and to keep overall rates in check. Since making people's health insurance more expensive is not particularly popular, Obama lied about it, and not only when he claimed you could keep your plan and your doctor.

In fact, the president promised at least 15 times while running for president in 2008 that his health insurance reform would reduce premiums by an average of $2,500 per family. In May 2009, he said the law would "end up saving $2 trillion," leading to "lower premiums." The White House blog in November 2009 featured such headlines as "Objective Analysis Shows Reform will Help Small Businesses, Lower Premiums for American Families" and "CBO Confirms That Families Will Save Money Under Health Reform."

As Suderman wrote in June 2013, there was "no mistaking the message that the Obama White House was selling to anyone who would listen: that premiums would go down, that benefits would go up, and that if premiums did happen to go up, it would only be as a result of an individual choice to buy more robust coverage." What's more, "This is the debate that even those relatively few Americans who follow wonky policy pundits were hearing-not one that emphasized tradeoffs, but one that repeatedly emphasized that ObamaCare would have mostly positive impacts on premiums, and that any negative impacts would be modest."

For years, liberal commentators have accused conservatives of living in an intellectual "bubble" of their own creation, impervious to reality. But through official intent and intellectual laziness, Democrats have created a bubble of deception surrounding ObamaCare that will affect millions of Americans for years to come. A lie this ignoble should stain the credibility of everyone who perpetuated it.

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148 responses to “The Death of Obama's "Noble Lie"

  1. “I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough.”

    I’m probably not the first to point it out, but the reverse would seem to be true: the president was consistently on point repeating his promise, making the lie precise but innaccurate.

    1. Precisely, modulo “innaccurate”.

    2. Can you imagine the voter reaction had Obama said in his 2012 stump speech:
      “Now we’ve passed a law that’s going to lead to millions of insurance plans getting canceled, but we’re going to replace them with plans we think are better. You may think that the severely limited doctors networks, high deductibles, pre-approval requirements, etc. are not worth the trade-off for no-cost birth control, maternity coverage for men, and higher premiums, but we know better. And, about those higher premiums, these new plans will also be more expensive, but a few of you will qualify for subsidies so they’ll only be a little more expensive.”

      1. but a few of you will qualify for subsidies so they’ll only be a little more expensive.”

        “The rest of you will be paying for the subsidies, so fuck you twice.”

    3. “I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough.”

      There can be no sugar coating it: the Obama administration hasn’t explained the effects of Obamacare precisely enough.

      1. Well in fairness, they had to pass it to find out what was in it. Ignorance is bliss, ya know.

      2. And yet it continues still. Has the White House ever laid out who wins and who loses? It seems to me they’re still denying the very existence of losers. So they’re saying there’s winners….and winners who don’t know it yet.

        If the media were adversarial they’d settle it in the octagon. Instead of the hot tub.

  2. +1 alt text

  3. You know, Matt. Releasing a wonky article at AM links time on a Monday is a pretty good way to not have it read by many folks.

    1. Monday is the highest traffic day of the week. Or so my editors at ECN used to tell me.

      1. Okay, but releasing an article right before the AM or PM links is usually the kiss of death.

        At least for comments.

  4. “a lie this ignoble should stain the credibility of everyone who perpetuated it.”

    Should and will are two totally separate things.

    1. That’s assuming that they had any credibility left unstained.

    2. Should it be “strain” the credibility or “stain”?

  5. A lie this ignoble should stain the Incredibility of everyone who perpetuated it.

  6. Had the dip shits (including the media) who run this country to the detriment of the American people, worked together, a workable national health care system could have been set up, in time. You can be sure that all of the big shot ass holes who would not work together on this (The DemoCRAZIES and the RePOOPlicans), have great health plans, not to mention their astronomic salaries, and perks they get running hither and yon, expecting everyone to kiss their collective butts.

    What the Hell!!! The great wad of Americans probably don’t need any health insurance plans anyway. If they can’t afford it they don’t deserve it. Right? Besides, the fuckers who control everything can be counted on to create new overseas wars that will get rid of some of us, and then natural disasters should take care of some more.

    1. Had the dip shits (including the media) who run this country to the detriment of the American people, worked together, a workable national health care system could have been set up, in time.

      So best case scenario we could have had a single payer system falling to shit around our ankles like NHS? Count me grateful for the times when the government is divided enough to stymie the hopes and dreams of the morons in both the elite and the working class.

      1. How about a system of price controls, while letting private medical practitioners manage their own practices?

        1. I don’t like fascism any better than socialism, so strike 2.

          1. “I don’t like fascism any better than socialism”

            I don’t see much difference between the two as they are practiced.

            Authoritarianism is authoritarianism regardless of the nominal excuses for imposing it.

            1. The difference is mostly cosmetic. Under fascism you still get to keep a deed to your property that the government controls. Under socialism they dispense with the paperwork and the pretense it represents.

              1. And both of them shoot you and your dog for the hell of it.

                1. Yes, but at least the Fascists were snazzy dressers.

                  1. That’s just because they were Italian.

          2. Upon reflection, I’ll go with Mises on the old fascism vs. socialism debate.

            It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error.

            Fascism constitutes a utopian dictatorship in which the state controls and directs both the culture and the economy (sound familiar?). Even so, it’s massively better than the monstrous & bureaucratic totalitarianism that socialism/actual state ownership gives us. People can actually maintain limited growth of wealth and feed their families under a fascist economy; the same can’t be said of socialism, which tends to starve millions of people to death with regularity.

            So in other words, the U.S. economic system blows, but we’re still better than the USSR.

        2. Because that is working so well in Cuba and Venezuela.

      2. And your point is? What class to you belong to? Hope it’s not the elite or working class or you will be a fucking moron. Have a nice day ass burn.

        1. You know, dealing with liberals/socialists/fascists gets tiring. Given that they have no problem redefining words as needed, I propose we redefine killing them into something they can support.

          If we call it Ex Post Facto Abortion, we can just say they are genetic defectives that would have been a burden to society and never had a high quality of life anyway. That way we “take them out” anytime!

          Liberals/Socialists/Fascists are into eliminating burdens to society you know, deprive old people of medical care as they are no longer worth it, deprive premature babies of care because they would not have made it anyway. There is really no need to tell them we are talking about THEM.

      3. Are you a moron?

      4. Don’t like my post? Dial 1 800 EAT SHIT

        1. This is by far the most intelligent thing you’ve posted here.

          1. Mary is off her meds again….

          2. Just a quick question because I’m curious. Are you an abortion who lived?

            1. Speaking from experience?

        2. One village has rid itself of its idiot. Mandalay is about to gain one.

      5. Amen to that my friend.

    2. Can you check your dosage before posting?

      1. So is this poster your standard internet crazy or just a magnificent parody of such?

        The “DemoCRAZIES and RePOOPlicans” bit is a little too perfect to be the product of an actual raving loon.

        1. “So is this poster your standard internet crazy or just a magnificent parody of such?”

          The parody people generally tip their hand at some point.

          They want you to know they’re being funny.

          I don’t see any hand tipping going on here.

        2. “”Knarf Yenrab (prev. An0nB0t)|12.16.13 @ 10:37AM|#

          So is this poster your standard internet crazy or just a magnificent parody of such?””

          A little of both. Whatever it is, its got that unique combination of appalling stupidity with an abundance of Will.

          Ask it about immigration. It does “American” with a splash of “LoneW”.

        3. This poster is the strongest argument for registering the Jared Loughner’s, Adam Lanza’s and Seung-Hui Cho’s of the world on a “DO NOT SELL” list that gun sellers must check.

          We just need the people around them to alert the proper authorities.

      2. Fuck you!!!!

        1. John Lydon, is that you?

      3. Fuck you!!

        1. You must be new, if you think that will move anyone in this commentariat.

          1. I think he’s feeling a little bit better…the second Fuck you only had two exclamation points.

            Progress?

            1. No, I think it’s just the Manic phase dwindling, soon to be replaced by Depression.

            2. He’s a she.

          2. Oh, I don’t know. FYTW is by far the best thing I’ve learned at Reason. I think it’s a beautiful philosophical statement.

        2. The count is now 0-2, and the pitch…

    3. “Had the dip shits (including the media) who run this country to the detriment of the American people, worked together, a workable national health care system could have been set up, in time”

      And just what, exactly, would this “workable national health care system: look like?

      Explain to me how a system that supposedly covers everyone will not impose significant burdens on some to benenfit others.

      1. “And just what, exactly, would this “workable national health care system: look like?

        He used the term “working together”, which almost certainly means it’s gonna look like parasites sucking the blood out of your back.

        1. To Ken Shultz

          F Y TOO.

      2. Mmmm…I like the system that includes little, if any, government intervention and price controls set by millions of consumers looking for a balance between what they want and what they can afford. I don’t care whose name we put on it: AbrahamLincolncare, but can we call it the butt-out model of healthcare?

      3. TO GILBERT MARTIN

        We already have a system that imposes “significant burdens on some to benefit others”. It’s called WAR!! You pay lots of taxes for it!! It benefits contractors and their friends, not to mention the pockets of career politicians. It causes misery to millions of people. So, when we talk about health care for Americans that’s just horrible isn’t it?

        On that note, if you don’t like my comments, try sticking your index finger up your Hershey Highway and then lick it (the finger) clean. It might be of some benefit to you. F Y

        1. We already have a system that imposes “significant burdens on some to benefit others”. It’s called WAR!

          Yeah! If it’s one thing the commenters here vociferously support, it’s WAR, always and forever!

          On that note, if you don’t like my comments, try sticking your index finger up your Hershey Highway and then lick it (the finger) clean.

          Your sexual fetishes are none of our business.

  7. The only way for truth to prevail, they argued, was to vote for the Democrat.

    This sort of dreamland hogwash makes me so very, very weary.

    The state of the union address is coming up. Can we please just seal the doors and windows of the Capitol and gas the Political Class and their courtiers, one and all, like the cockroaches they are?

    1. One of the bad parts of being a human being is that we keep growing new narcissists and political pietists to replace the ones who mercifully pass on.

      1. Fuck you again!!!

        1. Gonna have to dock you for the lack of consistency in the number of exclamation points.

          1. TO PM

            Instead of docking me, why don’y you just shove the extra points up your rosy red rectum.

            1. Ok, you get a few points for that, but we’ve heard worse. You can do better than that, can’t you?

        2. And here I don’t even remember our first time.

          Maybe you could send me some photos of your undoubtedly voluptuous figure to remind me.

        3. LOL
          ha Ha HA!

          Are you asking or begging?

          Seriously, don’t people with certain forms of VD degenerate into slobbering, gibbering, vulgar fools?

          Just trying to understand your behavior!

          If that isn’t it, maybe it is your mother’s fault? Did she beat you, fail to beat you, make you wear her boots to bed?

          1. I take it that’s a no?

    2. I hope you’ve been thinking about what you’re going to say to the Secret Service when they burst down your door at 3 am some morning this week and take you in for interrogation regarding your “terroristic threat.” (To paraphrase Kay in Men in Black: “We in the Secret Service do not have a sense of humor of which we are aware.”)

  8. I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough.

    That is the exact opposite of true. The statement was incredibly precise ? it left no room for interpretation that “keep your plan. Period.” But it was wildly inaccurate, and knowingly so, which is why it was a lie.

    1. And I see I was an hour and a half late in pointing this out

  9. Nothing say Christmas like a NSA sing along! check this video out http://youtu.be/o2GUaAO49qM

  10. “This is the debate that even those relatively few Americans who follow wonky policy pundits were hearing-not one that emphasized tradeoffs, but one that repeatedly emphasized that ObamaCare would have mostly positive impacts on premiums, and that any negative impacts would be modest.”

    Are we sure we can even make claims yet regarding whether or not this will ultimately be the case?

    1. Short answer: Yes. Reality is like honey badger. It don’t give a fuck.

  11. Awesome piece by Welch.

    “I am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me.”

    You know what really bugs me about this?

    He’s not really sorry. He’s lying about being sorry.

    He’s GLAD they’re finding themselves in this situation!

    This is what he wanted!

    That’s the irony, here. Maybe one of the reasons he’s never really given an apology for this is because he’s not sorry.

    1. But he *is* really sorry that they’re pissed. So it’s only a half-lie.

      1. So, kind of an accurate, precise apology…

        1. But it would have been better if he ended it with a verbal Period.

    2. They don’t “find” themselves in this situation. You PUT them in this situation.

      It’s a tough call as to whether it was intentional or out of mere stupidity. My gut tells me malice. But Hanlon’s razor comes to mind:

      “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”

  12. The reactions to my original post are interesting. The “rebuttals” came from a bunch of ass holes who could not answer my premise which is that the power brokers who run the country always run it for their own benefit and to the detriment of the American people. They could have worked together on some type of national health plan, but failed to do so. The keys words here are “work together”. Then amidst some profanity I threw in some sarcastic names for our two worthless dictator type parties which humor was probably lost on the shit for brains posters who can’t come up with much of their own, but who are always ready to blast the other person. Fuck all of you dimwits!!!!!!! Shove your comments to me up your collective ass holes.

    1. The rebuttal to incoherent babbling about partisanship wrecking a perfectly good collectivist health care system needn’t be serious, because it’s not addressed to a serious argument.

      Also, needs moar exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. MY BEST POINTS TO PM

        F*** YOU! Have a nice day butt wipe.

        1. F*** YOU! Have a nice day butt wipe.

          NEEDZ MOAR ANAL FIXASHUN.

          1. On The Road To Mandalay sure does like his exclamation points and anal references.

            1. yes, Mandalay does seem anally focused.

              Wonder what causes that? Is there a fixation with barnyard animals as well?

            2. Mary’s back!

              Just wait. In a few minutes, her comments will disappear, and we will have the joy of reading people arguing with a vapor.

              For anyone thinking of offering Mary Stack of Fort Worth, Texas a job, she’s a very angry, obsessive person who attempts to stalk and harass people who anger her. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to predict what will drive Mary Stack of Fort Worth Texas to go into psycho stalker mode since she will perceive even the most innocuous comments as evidence that one is dangerous to society and must be eliminated.

              IF YOU HIRE MARY STACK OF FORT WORTH, TEXAS, YOU NOT ONLY PUT YOURSELF AT RISK, YOU PUT YOUR COWORKERS, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR COWORKERS’ FAMILIES ALL AT RISK.

    2. The keys words here are “work together”.

      See that’s the problem: we’re not working together!

      Actually, I think the problem is people not looking out for themselves.

      I’m not here for your benefit.

      And I’m not “working together” with you on anything.

      1. No, no, you misunderstand. He wants the two major political parties to work together to rob you for his benefit. The firm but loving hand of beneficent government sanctifies it.

        1. Oh shit, it’s even worse than I thought!

        2. I should know that when they say, “working together”, they mean they’re working together to screw me over.

          I guess I’m an eternal optimist.

          I’m always hoping that someday when they say, We all need to work together”, they’re going to mean they want to work together with me.

          1. I see that some definition of terms is required:

            We must make some sacrifices ….. means bend over

            We need to work together ….. means you will be working more for their benefit

            You are being obstructionist …. bend over already!

            You need to give back ….. we want your stuff

            Those that have benefited need to contribute more ….. they are planning to take your stuff

    3. Ah, yes. We get it now. Good point. Thanks for that.

      It’s probably time for your next injection – or enema perhaps. Be sure to tell them not to stick the nozzle in your ear this time.

  13. What’s even worse is now all future politicians have a framework on which to boldly lie to the American people. It used to be that politicians could be impeached for outright lying to the people but that is no longer possible in our media driven polar world. You can’t impeach my guy/gal – that would give too much strength to the other side. Hell, if you attempt to reprimand my guy/gal, I’ll call you a bigot or anti-American – lest I give future ammunition against my cause. No basic concept of right and wrong is held by those who only listen to one side of the political stage. Morally, the sky is falling, but no body dares look up. We, the people of the US, will get what we deserve. Only those that are watching the entire stage will know when the play is over and exit before the ceiling collapses.

    Yeah… it’s Monday, my fantasy football team lost, my dog is not feeling well, and the US is continuing it’s spiral towards moral destitution.

    1. Eh, the Noble Lie has been around for a long, long time.

      They’re harder to perpetrate now, what with information being so thoroughly digitized and easy to copy and distribute (see Wikileaks and Snowden).

      Certainly, Bush lied through his teeth about Al Qaeda in Iraq and the pictures of those mobile weapons labs were completely false. There was no yellowcake in Niger expedition…

      There’s nothing new under the sun. If anything, Obama’s Noble Lie being called out gives me some hope that the Millenials will finally experience some deep disillusionment.

      1. The Millennials are certainly disillusioned, but it remains to be seen if they are smart enough to figure out the causes of their problems and to do something constructive to solve them.

        1. So far it’s a mixed bag with the millennials. Nearly every one I know personally is disillusioned and angry, and a few have totally abandoned the job search. Once they get tired of scrounging for money though, they usually flee the Midwest (entirely reasonable) and go out west to get a job in the marijuana industry. If they hang around, they get people pregnant, take the best job they can find, and begin anew the cycle of self-loathing and learned helplessness. Evidently, we need new ideas.

      2. Ken Shultz|12.16.13 @ 12:09PM|#
        “Eh, the Noble Lie has been around for a long, long time.”

        Lend-lease, 1940, off hand.

  14. I just want Reason to stay on top of all the lawsuits that are swirling around Obamacare, especially those pertaining to the arbitrary discretion which Obozo has arbitrarily (and illegally) assumed wrt the implementation of Obummercare.

    How the hell does a President hide behind the fact that Obamacare is “the law of the land” on one hand, while capriciously delaying one part of it after another, canceling this and delaying that and changing the other thing? Where the hell does he get the authority to do this shit? FYTW, I know.

    But that’s why I want to stay on top of the lawsuits.

    1. “”How the hell does a President hide behind the fact that Obamacare is “the law of the land” on one hand, while capriciously delaying one part of it after another, canceling this and delaying that and changing the other thing? “

      Its always delicious to point out to the miffed liberals who announce that “[the ACA] just needs a little *fixing*” that the “fixes” themselves are more or less, “Rolling Repeals” of all the key elements of the law = basically acknowledging that the very features they baked in the law at its conception are so horrible in their effect that to continue to let them mature into reality at this time would result in complete catastrophe.

      Shakespeare is now finally content that the expression ‘hoist with his own petard’ can be utilized appropriately after generations of misuse.

      I am particularly impressed with Democrats ability to design the perfect political Doomsday Bomb. I mean, Bra-fucking-vo. You gotta give them points for the sheer epic-ness of this disaster.

    2. How the hell does a President hide behind the fact that Obamacare is “the law of the land” on one hand, while capriciously delaying one part of it after another, canceling this and delaying that and changing the other thing?

      Because politics is a ridiculous farce in which otherwise semi-intelligent adults turn into raving mobs of imbeciles when they’re paying attention. Which is rarely, because no one has any rational, individual stake in participating in politics seriously, as no one but the deluded ideologue thinks that he can change a fundamentally collectivist institution.

      Where the hell does he get the authority to do this shit? FYTW, I know.

      The same place mass shooters get their authority: there’s no one there to stop him.

  15. My hatred of this maggot and his worshipers knows no bounds. I want him to die. But not in a way that would make him a martyr, although that could mean another day off.
    It probably won’t happen but I’d like him to die choking on Michelle’s dick while Biden shoves a porcupine up his ass.
    Probably won’t happen…not because this scenario is unlikely but because Obama is used to it.

    1. Wow, “on the road to Mandalay” is probably panting, about to cum, after THAT description!

  16. Anybody who believes that the govt. should run health care should be required to receive all their health care through the VA system only for a minimum of five years.

  17. you know who else was a selfiefart-smelling asshole like Jerry Jones and Obama?

    1. Gerald Broflovski?

  18. “…On October 30, the president himself attempted to shift the blame onto “bad-apple insurers,”

    Remember when during a State of the Union Address Obama accused doctors of gouging patients with unnecessary surgeries framing it as thought it was common practice?

    As for the ‘noble lie.’

    That’s what the left is gonna run with.

  19. ‘as though.’

  20. Liberals are immune to rational policy discussion. They are masters of rationalization. They will lie, cheat, steal, slander, and run roughshod over laws but refuse to admit to it even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. They project these same pathologies on their political opponents, compounding the sickness by refusing to entertain the idea that anybody could hold a contrary view without being a despicable person.

    They must all be shot in the head. Just kidding.

    1. Don’t go all mushy now. They do indeed NEED to be shot in the head. I just don’t intend to be the one to do it.

      1. Tisk Tisk,

        Ipso Facto Abortion

        It is the moral high ground! Completely defensible to liberals everywhere! With a little effort you might even get them to promote it before the facto!

        heh heh

  21. would have like if the article had addressed the second line of its title.
    The lie of the paternalistic state is one that has been perpetuated throughout out the ages from the “divine right of kings” all the way up to the present.
    Truth is we don’t really “need” them(the ruling class) much any more and certainly don’t want them.
    The people and the private sector can manage much better without their laws regulations and taxes.
    The people don’t even need the police very much as the peace is kept largely by societal norms not by the threat of punishment.

  22. would like it very much if the comments on this website were kept civil and adult.
    No need for personal attacks and crude language.
    Leave that for the liberal blogs and their uneducated vulgar masses.
    Libertarians are supposed to be the most educated group of people in the country so it would be appropriate to act like it.
    Stay on subject and debate like adults – not fight like a mob!

    1. JRS: commenting isn’t always about debate. Sometimes it’s just written primal scream therapy for the author.

    2. JRS1001|12.16.13 @ 3:03PM|#
      “would like it very much if the comments on this website were kept civil and adult.”

      You’re probably gonna get snark for the comment, but you have a point.
      And of everyone here, I’m among the worst.
      Early resolution: Clean up your act, Sevo!

      1. Jesus wept.

        1. Aw, it ain’t THAT bad!

    3. Go eat a dick the long way, you festering twat.

  23. JRS1001

    I am guilty of that for sure. However, I thank you for reminding all of us that civility should be the key word in all of our exchanges. I am not a Libertarian. I am my own person with my own views on a variety of issues. Again, thanks for reminding me and others to keep in civil and adult. Have a nice day.

    1. Aren’t you the one that goes around calling people names?

      1. Not me, I focus on ridicule.

        Nothing is quite so much fun as ridiculing someone lacking a sense of humor.

    2. “I am my own person with my own views on a variety of issues.”

      Phyoosh. That is a comforting thought.

  24. …”In December of that year, when I leveled the charge in response to the president’s knowing mischaracterization of the Congressional Budget Office’s scoring of his signature piece of legislation, I was called “flagrantly dishonest” by none other than the (rightly respected) civil liberties blogger/reporter Glenn Greenwald.”…

    So, has Greenwald apologized? Does he have the integrity to do so?
    I mean, we owe him thanks for being Snowden’s conduit, but that alone doesn’t prove him to be an ethical person; he is a lefty, after all.

  25. “once-proud truth tellers like (Greg) Sargent”…

    Shirley you jest.

  26. Nice piece, but it doesn’t seem to have gone past any proofreaders: several appearances of “…,” hyphens that should be em dashes, and at least one reason.com reference that should be a hyperlink but isn’t.

  27. Lie of the century! I made this parody video to illustrate all the lies told to sell Obamacare, and its funnier than the clownshow over at Politifarce too!

    Hitler’s health insurance is cancelled

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USG_gjaEYak

    Cheers,

    O.V.

    1. Nice. But this has been used so much, it’s lost its juice.

    2. That was really good. I actually laughed out loud a couple times which doesn’t happen much from youtube videos.

  28. Now you know what it is like to live in a psychopathic state. The Russian people lived in an inefficient and corrupt state for seventy years until the USSR collapsed.

  29. And a whopping big lie it was–premeditated, carefully crafted, and repeated endlessly. It was a huge chiseled statue of a lie.

    It also fulfills a prediction I made to my fellow Lefties long ago: that Barack Obama would severely damage the Democratic Party. He is, in my opinion, The Worst Democrat Ever.

    What’s most amazing is that two-thirds of voters still want Obamacare fixed–not repealed or defunded, but FIXED. And they want the government to do it:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/th…..obamacare/

    Like the existence of Obamacare itself, this must be disturbing news for my rightward friends. It suggests that–despite the Obama Administration’s staggering ineptness with the law, to say nothing of its lies–the citizens are still taking the liberal view on this issue. Apparently, they really think our healthcare system needs fixing.

    I guess no one told them that government can’t do anything. Or maybe they remember the government put a man on the moon, built the Hoover Dam, cleaned up the Great Lakes, stuff like that.

    http://youtu.be/QzVG7Bnx0V8

    1. yeah, and there’s a real equivalency between the hoover dam and the nation’s healthcare systems. a better analogy would be the “war on poverty”; trillions spent, over decades, with nothing to show for it. and just because people are dupable, naive and uneducated enough to fall prey to the pandering of the left, that does not make you “correct” or “noble.” your executive is a narcissistic liar. deal with that, pal.

    2. Wow. The only thing missing with this was calling any ‘rightward’ person stupid. If we’re going to compare apples to pomegranates, we might point out the US Postal System, Amtrak, our soon to be bankrupt Social Security system, …need I go on? (And the Great Lakes were cleaned up largely due to the invasive zebra mussel, btw.)If we’re going to go back in time, can we please have the government the scope and size of the 1930’s or 1960’s?

    3. Obama is still not as bad as FDR. He was a true criminal, who f’d our system for all time, making fascism attractive and acceptable.

  30. matt –

    the left, the overwhelming majority in journalistic circles, will always distort and shade in favor of their political heros. greg sargent, as partisan and ridiculous as he is, somehow has a byline at the washington post. from which he dispenses all manners of divisive propaganda. and he does so with essential impunity. trust me, a year from now, sargent, with marching orders from the DNC, will be calling the obamacare debacle another “made up” scandal. just like the current handling of the IRS targeting of conservative groups. feign a serious response, then pivot to attacking your opponents, in denigrating terms. keep doing what you do man, you and ilk are the only thing separating us from a true propaganda regime, from living in a country in which we are spoon fed distortion from a complicit press and a corrupt executive

  31. “For years, liberal commentators have accused conservatives of living in an intellectual “bubble” of their own creation, impervious to reality. But through official intent and intellectual laziness, Democrats have created a bubble of deception surrounding ObamaCare that will affect millions of Americans for years to come.”

    Frankly, I don’t see much difference between the ‘conservative’ liars and the ‘liberal’ liars – and they’ve both been doing a good job in that regard for years. Maybe they’re channeling Obi-Wan who said “…it was true from a certain point of view.” when it comes to their lies.

    Obamacare was a whopper when it comes to lies, but anyone with a modicum of reality knew it was a lie the minute he told it. But few called him on it. Wait for the sticker shock followed by Doc shock, as this disaster continues to roll out. Premiums will rise further and doctors will continue to opt out. I’m interested to see how long it will last, or if my fellow Americans will continue blindly on.

  32. I like what Krauthammer said about this lie. He pointed out that most politicians lie, but he wondered why Obama chose to lie about something that would obviously be found out to be untrue. He essentially said (I’m paraphrasing) that Obama’s main tool are words, so he elevates his rhetoric over reality.

    Obama knows many will still believe (in) him and will ignore reality (a common characteristic of many liberals) in preference for the visions in their head of Obama the omnipotent angel in government. But then, maybe Obama believes his own rhetoric. In spite of his recent admissions that doing things in government is much harder than he thought, if not impossible. http://www.forbes.com/sites/re…..overnment/

    Given that Obama lied about what government will be doing to us thanks to Obamacare (besides forcing us to buy what politicians/insurers want us to by), this lie is not “nobel” and instead it has won Lie of the Year. Given Obama’s propensity for lying, I’m surprised that Obama didn’t win Liar of the Decade.

    Justice would be for him to suffer the problems he’s forced on everyone. That would take of the rest of his life.

    1. Well, unfortunately, there is no chance that he will be subject to what he has subjected the rest of us to.

    2. See: Primacy of Consciousness over Primacy of Existence

  33. This shouldn’t be a surprise to any logical person for these reasons:

    1. Liberals are liars.
    2. What liars do is lie.
    3. Liars lie when the truth would serve equally well.
    4. Liars believe their own lie.
    5. Liars are proud of their ability to lie so well.

    1. I don’t believe #4. And #5 – which I think is true – tends to undermine #4.

      I think they know they’re lying. And they’re confident that a large percentage of Americans will believe them.

      They want more money and more power so that they can impose upon the rest of us – whom they consider to be their intellectual and moral inferiors – that which THEY believe is best. And they want to ban things and behaviors that they deem wrong, bad, inappropriate, etc.

      It is the Audacity of Arrogance. A wildly over-inflated self-regard and moral vanity that drives them.

      They are hostile to individual liberty because it impedes their ability drive the rest of us to live according to their ideology.

      They’re about to impose upon us their decision about what type of light bulb we can use. LIGHT BULBS! The federal government of the United States is dictating the type of LIGHT BULB we can use.

      I’m eager to see whether they think we should be using Crest, Colgate or Aqua Fresh. Extra Whitening or Sensitive. Tube or pump. And why should anyone be ordering a dozen donuts anyway? No one should eat a dozen donuts. Obesity drives up health-care costs.

      Of course if they can verify it’s for a group of six or more, and that they’ve exercised an hour or more that day, it could still be permitted. We’ll know before long.

  34. Any pathology liar can get up and promise insurance for all, while saving each family an average 2500.00, and if you like your policy and your Doctor you can keep your policy and Doctor. Period!

    Meantime, Dear Leader will be cooling the earth and stopping the rise of the oceans as he plays golf!

    What we have elected is a President who loves to give speeches, lies and promises but is otherwise too incompetent, lazy, inexperienced and stupid to even hold a job in non-government positions.

    In private business if you promise something your had better have thought long and hard how it will be accomplished, track your progress and takes additional steps as necessary to achieve your goals and promises and expect to be held accountable!.

    In real life (where Obama has zero experience), objectives are to be met and promises are to be keep or there is a price to be paid for failure.

    Obama is all show and No go and supported by lies and a lapdog press! He should be impeached for all of his lies on Obamacare which are only a few of many lies told to citizens by this fool…

  35. When I see something like this said on MSNBC and other “mainstream” outlets I’ll have hope, but as long as it’s segregated to sites such as this there is no doubt Barack Obama’s dishonesty, aka pathological lying, will get a pass.

    Let there be no doubt, however, our President is a liar, most Liberal/Progressives today are liars and their compliant accomplices who obfuscate in order to keep things afloat are in fact liars as well.
    Every single time an interview is conducted, a hearing held, a press conference held the very first statement made by the “nonsubject” should be “seeing as you lied”.

    It’s that important.

  36. The “noble” lie is not the worst of Obama’s intentional misleads.

    Also back in 2009, the president said Medicaid is “a broken system.” Did he propose plans to fix it? No. He is bringing millions of more Americans into the broken system. This is a prescription for disaster.

    “People respond to incentives, although not necessarily in ways that are predictable or manifest. Therefore, one of the most powerful laws in the universe is the law of unintended consequences.” -From the book “SuperFreakonomics”

    That in mind, see:

    “Obamacare: Making a bad situation worse”
    http://relevantmatters.wordpre…..ion-worse/

  37. I am certainly pleased, beyond reason, that Obama fooled a bunch of folks to get the ACA passed. The corrupt medical insurance industry was forcing people into bankruptcy and destroying lives. Anything to finally control the outrageous behavior of the medical insurance industry is a good thing. They had a fee market and they did everything they could to take advantage of sick people. Shame on them. That free market deserved to die. And it eventually will, that’s why Medicare works.

    1. The free market deserves to die”?

      Upton Sinclair, the one-time Socialist candidate for Congress once wrote,
      “The American people will take Socialism, but they won’t take the
      label.”

      Is that what you believe?

    2. My mom is on medicare.

      Thanks to its draconian rules and hoops, her trusted doctor doesn’t take it. So she basically stopped going to the doctor except when something really life threatening happens.

      HAd Medicare not destroyed the market for health insurance for the elderly, she might have access to a plan that let her keep her doctor. But now she is in a situation where she isn’t even getting annual checkups because it’s too expensive while shelling out hundreds of dollars per month for insurance she doesn’t use.

      If that’s health care that works to you, I’d hate to see how bad things would have to get before you would call them broken.

  38. If EVERYONE is to be covered by Obamacare, with at least 50 million on Medicaid, (free care) paid for entirely by the already overloaded minority of Americans who STILL pay taxes, HOW IN THE HELL will SEVEN MILLION people signing up, possibly fund the entire OBAMACARE program?

  39. A lie this ignoble should stain the Incredibility of everyone who perpetuated it.

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