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NSA Likes Watching Radicals Watching Porn

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What do you have to hide? Why would you want to keep your distance from the creepy window-shade-peepers of the National Security Agency? Maybe…Because the NSA is actively monitoring the Internet-usage of people it doesn't like so it can embarrass them by revealing all at opportune moments. Specifically, the spooks watch radical Muslims to see if they have a taste for Internet porn, so they can then be portrayed as hypocrites.

Write Glenn Greenwald, Ryan Gallagher, and Ryan Grim at the Huffington Post:

WASHINGTON—The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as "exemplars" of how "personal vulnerabilities" can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target's credibility, reputation and authority.

The NSA document, dated Oct. 3, 2012, repeatedly refers to the power of charges of hypocrisy to undermine such a messenger. "A previous SIGINT"—or signals intelligence, the interception of communications—"assessment report on radicalization indicated that radicalizers appear to be particularly vulnerable in the area of authority when their private and public behaviors are not consistent," the document argues.

Among the vulnerabilities listed by the NSA that can be effectively exploited are "viewing sexually explicit material online" and "using sexually explicit persuasive language when communicating with inexperienced young girls."

Now, rumor has it, nobody loves a good donkey show as much as James Clapper and his buddy, General Keith Alexander. Especially the Clerks II variety. But we don't get to monitor their online habits the way they monitor ours, and that creates a distinct imbalance of power.

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Because there are plenty of things that we might do, and view, and read in our everyday lives that harm nobody else but might be awkward if they became public knowledge. There are groups and people with whom we might deal but with whom we prefer to not be openly associated. This is really quite normal in life, since most of us don't parade around as if we live in glass boxes, but maintain public appearances as well as private lives. And that divide potentially provides a basis for blackmail. Your sexuality, your associations, your politics, your religious activities, your cultural tastes—these could get you fired, or ruin friendships, or torpedo politial campaigns, if revealed in a calculated way by people ill-disposed towards you.

We might not have any sympathy for radical religious fanatics fomenting violence. I assume very few of us do. But the surveillance and smear tactics used against them can be wielded against anybody with a private life who displeases the wrong people. And, in fact, the NSA has reportedly targeted some radical, but non-violent Muslims, who just say offensive things about Westerners and the U.S.

So long as the NSA is out trawling for embarrassing tidbits, you don't know who will be targeted next.

Although the people doing the snooping can probably safely continue to watch their donkey shows.

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  1. The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as “exemplars” of how “personal vulnerabilities” can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target’s credibility, reputation and authority.

    That is the first smart thing I have heard these clowns do. That is exactly the kind of thing we should be doing. To use a technical military term, the center of gravity for radical Islamists is not its leaders or some command center in Pakistan, it is the desirability of the ideology. If the ideology isn’t popular, they can’t get recruits and they can’t fight. Pointing these people out as porn addicted losers jerking off to naked infidel women does a lot to destroy the ideology by making it clear they don’t really mean anything they say. Only a half wit like Greenwald would not understand the value of doing this.

    1. I think mission creep is a legitimate concern.

      I’m not sure the fear of being criticized for violating our constitutional rights is sufficient to stop them from doing the same thing to their critics here in the U.S.

      1. That is endemic in anything they do. I don’t want them listening to anything Americans do. But if they are going to listen to foreigners, this strikes me as one of the better ways to do it.

        1. Not that I know if this is true… but I assume it doesn’t really matter for the extremely committed.

          For instance, my guess is that all the press reports of Bin Laden having porn are roundly dismissed by jihadists as propaganda by the evil satan.

          Additionally – while I can see a use of this in covert ways – as exposed, it shows the US as completely unethical, given they will openly destroy someone’s privacy by releasing records showing them partaking in legal activities only to discredit their words.

          Having said that – I see your point – it’s fun and worthwhile proving those claiming to be moral arbiters partake in porn – but if calling out hypocrites is where this administration or the NSA thinks they’ll get a leg up in the war on terror, then they’re idiots.

          As the people they are theoretically trying to discredit seem unlikely to be affected in any large way by “propaganda coming from the infidels”.

          In deed I think the only places such discrediting campaigns would likely have close to the desired effect would be against people in the more western societies.

          As even in our cult worship today – I think knowing pres or other high level officials trolled porn sites constantly would have a much greater impact here than it would in Iran the NSA released the same proof against the president of Iran.

          1. This…without a doubt…when people believe something it takes a lot to swing them from it…this wouldn’t really work….great idea but wont work.

      2. We’re way past “mission creep”.

    2. This right here ^ is the difference between John and a libertarian.

      1. People not wanting boobies on Hit & Run is the difference between…I don’t know, us and them!

        The libertarian tent isn’t big enough for anti-boobie people!

        There, I said it.

      2. Since when does libertarian mean “anarchist”? If they are doing this to Americans for political reasons, that is a problem. But doing it to our enemies? That is what they get paid for.

        If I ran the CIA, I would have long ago hired look alikes of various Islamist leaders and been putting gay porn hasn’t been hiring look alikes and making gay porn videos and leaking them out to various Islamist message boards. We do a terrible job fighting the information war.

        1. Should we drop copies of Hustler instead of leaflets?

          1. Naw. Offer copies to various Imams we don’t like.

    3. What would your wife think if the NSA revealed to her what you look at when she’s not around?

      1. I’m guessing she would think that she should gain some weight.

        1. Hahahahahahahahaha:)

      2. If they are doing this to Americans to blackmail them for domestic reasons, that is a different. But if I am not an American and I joined Al Quada to make war on America, well too bad for me. They could come arrest me for being a terrorist couldn’t they? Why can’t they read my emails and show the world what a pervert I am?

        I really don’t care what they do outside of the US. Spying is their job.

        1. I also question how seriously anyone in the Islamic fundamentalist community is going to take NSA revelations about some fundamentalist cleric.

          The NSA doesn’t have a whole lot of credibility with that audience.

          1. Ken,

            You don’t do it in a press release. You put it out through another source.

            1. I doubt that would matter as any information which discredits any politician in the ME or any idea any politician in the ME wants to completely discredit, they can do so rather easily simply by claiming the information and/or idea is being pushed by the US.

              Even if it’s not true and cannot be proven to be from the US – it’s still very effective way to discredit anything is to claim it is or enjoys the backing of the US…

              Sorry John – but I think Ken is correct here.

    4. Wouldn’t it just have been easier for the NSA to make up data? Because that’s what I would assume they were doing if they told me a colleague was into Brazilian fart porn. Any evidence they produced could just as easily been manufactured by them.

      1. They could do that too. But real data would work better since the proof of it would be real. And like I told Ken above, you don’t release it in a press release. You release it through a third party so no one ever knows it came from you.

  2. Dude, the picture is just a little bit NSFW. Unless you work in Germany, I guess.

    1. You need to shut your whore mouth.

  3. I, for one, approve of Mr. J.D. Luccille’s gratuitous usage of tits in this article. That is all.

    1. +2 boobies

  4. Fucking NSFW!

    You trying to get me fired?!?

    1. BOOBIES. That is all.

  5. NSFW NSFW NSFW. Smoking boobies are not work-safe.

    1. Where the fuck do you guys work? The Vatican?

      1. COUGH*Hamas HQ*COUGH

      2. Re: Citizen Nothing,

        Where the fuck do you guys work? The Vatican?

        Almost. I work at a “non-hostile work environment,” which means “we have a mostly-female H.R. department”

        1. Thank god I work at a newspaper, where the women are as nasty as the men.

      3. I work in an environment where, when one of my male colleagues dressed as a geisha for Halloween, our feminazi lesbian co-worker told him it was racist.

        1. I hope you realize that by using feminazi you have given society the license to ignore your “opinions” forever.
          Oh, and dressing in yellowface is of course racist.

          1. Yes, but it’s the fun kind if racism.

          2. Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

      4. Where the fuck do you guys work? The Vatican?

        Nobody at the Vatican is interested in boobies, Citizen.

        1. There’s gotta be at least a few lesbians working in the Vatican.

          1. I dunno, I wonder what PornHub’s data engineers could tell us about the Vatican.

            I wonder if there’s an appetite for porn involving St. Andrew’s Cross.

            1. Sacrilegious porn is the greatest. Two nuns getting going at it with a priest gets me hot.

              The best is when he blesses them with the “holy water”

        2. The ones that aren’t are the ones you have to worry about…

    2. And just as a follow up question, if boobs are NSFW, then how does the name “Hillary’s Clitdong” get a pass?

      1. Because a random coworker walking past me will see an image of a naked woman far faster than she can read a screen of text, then she files a sexual harrassment report against me and the network admins go through the logs see this page and yep, there’s boobs and I in a shitload of trouble at a minimum

        1. Which is why the NSA thinks this is a good idea.

  6. Where do you people work, that you have time to be on the internet all day?

    Do you all work for the government?

    1. Yes. A lot of us work for the NSA, where we spend half the day collecting data on other people’s porn usage, and the other half looking at boobs.

    2. If we worked for the government, we wouldn’t be concerned about looking at porn at work.

  7. I, for one, appreciate this brief glimpse of boob during the workday in the relative privacy of my magesterial office.

    Fuck you, proles, if you have to troll reason from an ironman on the plant floor – hahahahaha!

  8. Super babysitter! Bar Refaeli shows off her amazing toned abs in striking blue bikini while minding a friend’s child at beach

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs…..uties.html

    1. Dropping the baby in that photo would make her 10x hotter.

  9. Grade A trolling, 2 Chili. Way to keep us on our toes.

    1. I like the 2 Chili nickname. But I bet in high school, everybody just called him “Tooch”.

  10. Unlike millions of other gay men, I have never actually felt a woman’s breasts.

    What’s that like?

    I dare say most gays find titties fascinating, in a way that we most defintely… do not find vaginas.

    1. A libertarian site may not be the best place to ask that 😛

      Seriously though, maybe like a bag of sand or bag of jello? It’s hard to think of a good comparison. Just go cop a feel.

        1. Good, somebody got it.

    2. I’m sitting here in my cube, feeling myself up, just to give you a good answer. I’d say an overfilled bag of olive oil. You’re welcome.

      1. Pics or it didn’t happen…

    3. It largely depends on the boobies. You could fix this by telling a lady friend that you are boobie curious. She’ll likely be flattered and you’ll have a temporary pass to boobie land.

      /Cis-homo privilege

    4. Like someone else said, it depends on the boob. Some are soft and squishy and others are more firm, and then there’s in between. So the spectrum goes to a bag of milk all the way to, uh, soft polyurethane foam?

  11. I love boobies as much as the next gal, but some of us are at work today.

  12. So it would follow that my refined taste is something of a good defense, because I’m sure NSA staffers are more into skanky strippers, like the one in the photo, than I am, although the fact that my kind of woman is usually foreign might keep them on my case.

  13. JESUS I FUCKING LOVE TITS

  14. Now, rumor has it, nobody loves a good donkey show as much as James Clapper and his buddy, General Keith Alexander.

    I’ve always wanted to see a donkey show. Not because I would find it titillating (I wouldn’t), but just out of sheer morbid curiosity to see if a woman can really “handle” a donkey.

    1. Rule 34. That is all.

  15. The best way to fight terrorism is probably to stop bombing Muslim countries. I’ve heard that bombing people angers them and makes them want to strike back (which is what happened on 9/11). I may be wrong, though. Killing women and children along with an occasional bad guy, might make them more friendly to the U.S. You know, like the way the 9/11 attacks made the U.S. more sympathetic to the point of view of the attackers.

    1. I shouldn’t…. but which Muslims exactly were the US bombing around the late 1990’s, 2000.ish which caused 9/11?

      & does this same logic work for murderers? Stop putting them in jail for life, as to allow victims of the murderer more sympathy?

      Disclaimer: most US military adventures shouldn’t have and/or should not be happening… but the idiotic idea that you don’t kill people who actively try to kill you because it pisses them off is… well, idiotic.

      JS Mill:

      “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

  16. The one thing you libertarian fear-mongers keep forgetting is that the NSA is the good guys and we can trust them to only do what is in our best interest. If you ask them, they will be very honest about that.

    We should also be aware of just how big a task the NSA now faces. For example, the need to collect embarrassing information on people they don’t like is growing by leaps and bounds since the Snowden revelations have caused an exponential increase in the number of people who characterize the NSA as a sleazy, self-serving, power-hungry, tool of despotism. Every last one of these people represents an existential threat to the U.S. and must be neutralized. Freedom of speech is a fine thing, but there will always be some people who abuse it by saying the wrong things.

    1. Is there a Poe’s Law for progtardation?

    2. I was about to say that you’re as full of shit as a Thanksgiving turkey, then I looked at the name. Never mind…

  17. Perhaps some outfit like Google should start publishing data about the surfing habits of NSA’s own staff. Sauce for the goose!

  18. Does anyone ever ask themselves, why does the concept of “porn” even exist? Doesn’t the very fact that such a designation exists indicate a distorted view of existence based on some weird, moralistic perspective?

    1. Exactly. It’s just sex! Geez. This all boils down to dark religious beliefs that evolved from the Mediterranean that see sex as evil.

  19. If past examples are considered, then this whole idea may backfire. It seems most religious zealots that are found out to dabble in the risque beg for forgiveness and then simply request larger donations to help him/her overcome their own weaknesses. I suppose that we never hear about the ones that simply bow out.

  20. I’m sure they use it against politicians too. Gotta’ sway those votes in just the right way.

    1. Sure – they might as well use it in a way that’s likely to be effective.

  21. I figured this would happen! The NSA spy machine would ultimately be used to discredit people because they like to whack their bag to the suicide girls or some other web provider.

    Our tax dollars are being used against us under the guise of protecting us from terrorists.

  22. When I was stationed in San Diego, me and my buddies must have looked for a donkey show 20 or 30 times. Never did find one.

    1. But Tijuana was full of strip shows and cheap alcohol.

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