Sanford Police Using License Plate Scanners to Accuse Drivers of Consorting with Prostitutes
Don't be in the wrong place at the wrong time for too long!


If you work the night shift in Sanford, Florida, and you're picking up a workmate for a carpool, you better hope he or she doesn't live in the wrong neighborhood. Police might take note of your idling car and send you a letter accusing you of trying to pay women for sex. The Orlando Sentinel reports that the Sanford Police Department has decided to use its license-plate readers to stalk drivers they think may be Johns:
Starting this week, the Sanford Police Department will send "Dear John" letters to registered owners of vehicles spotted lingering in areas known for prostitution.
The letters, which include a photograph of the vehicle and a close-up of the license plate, remind the recipient of the dangers associated with prostitution, including sexually transmitted diseases and other criminal activity.
Police officials said they hope the program will deter and reduce the demand for prostitution, "by stripping away the anonymity of the exchange."
Sanford police said Monday that letters will only be generated when an officer is confident the driver is circling the block looking for a prostitute, and not, for example, driving around lost.
Oh, well, as long as the police officer is confident, then. Who could possibly have any concerns about the judgment of the Sanford Police Department?
It falls upon a defense attorney to point out the kind of problems the police department can get itself into for incorrectly deciding some guy in his car is a John without actually catching him in the act of solicitation:
Orlando criminal-defense attorney Richard Hornsby said Sanford police are "likely to expose themselves to civil-liberty complaints should they send these notices to innocent persons and inadvertently cause marital disruption."
"If they have sufficient evidence to believe a person is 'not lost but, in fact, circling the block looking for a prostitute,' then they have a sufficient basis to make an investigative detention for the crime of solicitation of prostitution," Hornsby said.
Hornsby's response assumes police should have the authority to cause "marital disruption" when men actually are consorting with prostitutes, as if it's any of their business. These letters are obviously bound (and probably intended) to be opened by others in the household. Attempting to humiliate men (and their families as a consequence) for paying for sex is not a new tactic for vice-obsessed police officers. Sending out potentially disruptive letters to households on the basis of a car's location is a new low in the pursuit of the lowest of low-hanging criminal fruit. Sanford is not, unfortunately, the pioneer. The Orlando Sentinel notes that similar tactics are being used in Baltimore and Oakland, Calif.
Read more of Reason's coverage of license plate cameras here.
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It's nice that Johnny's mom drove him to hire his first prostitute.
Johnny's mom is very open-minded about that sort of thing. Luckily she's set up an annuity for Johnny's therapy bills.
It could be a British SUV.
The girl is way too hot to be British.
I can't make that call without seeing her teeth.
What does she need teeth for?
-1 set of chompers
No teeth? You have to pay extra for a gum job.
Maybe Australian, then.
No this is how prostitution works in England.
Apparently all British hookers dress up like the farmers daughter.
Land of the free, indeed.
Very accurate alt-text.
"If they have sufficient evidence to believe a person is 'not lost but, in fact, circling the block looking for a prostitute,' then they have a sufficient basis to make an investigative detention for the crime of solicitation of prostitution," Hornsby said.
And, of course, they would never EVER use this catchall definition of suspicious behavior to pull over random drivers just to see what's in their pockets.
Well, let's face it, if they see a suspicious perv looking to use violence against women by forcing them to take money for sex, and you find some pot in their pocket, then it's a double win for society. You have removed both a sex offender and a dope fiend from society all in one swoop.
If you don't agree with that, you hate the children.
And are as bad as Hitler.
You can trust those in power to use their power wisely and responsibly. After all, it's for your safety.
This must be a top priority of our great society. Prostitutes are innocent victims of the patriarch violent war against wiminz.
/peak derptard
Some radfems of my acquaintance actually insist on using the term "prostituted women," with the passive participle, since no one would ever actually make a choice different from the one that the right-thinking people would make.
And that's what makes them way more puritanical than the actual Puritans.
It's downright...matriarchal.
Wait, what happened to "sex worker", is that out of fashion now?
Depends on who you ask. The folks who consider it a valid choice and an empowering term will definitely still use it. Others who think that there is no valid circumstance under which sex and money are exchanged never used it in the first place.
"Sex Worker" and "prostituted/trafficked woman" would never be used by the same people. The former is used by people who think that prostitution should be legalized and regulated and the latter by people who think that prostitution is always and necessarily evil and exploitative.
That may be a bit overgeneralized, but I think pretty accurate.
How about "independent entertainment consultant"? Geez, everyone else has professional sounding titles these days.
That chick is having a beer baby.
And she's working in a cement factory. How weird is that?
Another industry forced to change due to the internet.
Which more or less eliminates the need to circle the block anyhow.
Why not just write laws mandating under the Commerce Clause to put all of these lustful harlots in burkhas so that their wanton flesh cannot tempt us to sin?
Because we have to be more stealthy in the way that we crush the civil liberties of the people.
/The New Puritans (AKA, the Proglodytes)
Conservatards can be just as Puritanical. They're the ones who get boners when cops kill old men because someone claimed to smell meth chemicals, and then bless it because a small amount of marijuana was found.
The progtards aren't exactly doing even an informational picket against this activity.
Why does Florida suck so bad? Too many people?
I would imagine that certain publications and blogs zero in on Florida once the meme of "Florida, lol" starts going around.
This is too bad, since IIRC they are one of the best states for third-party ballot access, yet they seem to be getting no credit for it, even here.
Not enough pythons.
Too much MRSA in the water.
That and being a giant python infested swamp that periodically gets leveled by hurricanes.
Elderly ex-New Yorkers.
I blame Bush. The other one...
Florida was bat shit insane in pre-columbian times as well.
If you're going to have a criminal statute, and you think someone's violating it, there ought to be *some* way to decide whether that person is guilty - maybe some kind of hearing...or we could just leave it up to the police to decide who's a criminal, that should work fine.
Statistical probabilities?
Did Eliot Spitzer get one of these letters?
Oh wait, Eliot's case was just a "personal matter".
That and you don't drive around cruising for $10,000 call girls.
I'd imagine some phone calls were made... do they not tap the Governor's phone? And if not, why not?
Oh, you meant a more general "these letters". In Spitzer's case they had a better option. Embarrass him in the news, not just to his wife.
But prostitution is against the law. It is therefore our responsibility to put a stop to it.
Since "we're" the government, then...something blah blah blah derp.
Fuck tha poe lease.
They're doing this all wrong. What they should be doing is trucking in Prostitutes from all over FL, putting them on various street corners, and then running stakeouts.
And then arresting the johns at gunpoint during happy hour at TGIFridays
Arresting?
"Stop resisting!"...bang...bang...bang!
OT: Some of the Peanuts were trying to claim tin was a "conflict mineral" today.
Dodd?Frank Section 1502 defines "conflict minerals" as cassiterite, columbite-tantalite,
gold and wolframite, as well as their derivatives and other minerals that the US Secretary of
State may designate in the future.
The final rule exempts any conflict minerals that are "outside the supply chain" prior to
31 January 2013. Conflict minerals are "outside the supply chain" only "after any
columbite-tantalite, cassiterite, and wolframite minerals have been smelted; after gold
has been fully refined; or after any conflict mineral, or its derivatives, that have not been
smelted or fully refined are located outside of the Covered Countries."
Ernst & Young
(just a correction)
Suggestion: Google what the fuck cassiterite is and then get back to me.
I read the E&Y report. I know what it is.
You acknowledge that it is Tin Oxide, then?
About 253,000 tonnes of tin have been mined in 2011, mostly in China (110,000 t), Indonesia (51,000 t), Peru (34,600 t), Bolivia (20,700 t) and Brazil (12,000 t). (US Geological Survey)
If some idiot company needs to buy 50 grams of tin why not buy from major sources and avoid the nasty reporting requirements in D-F?
That's weird. I just asked if you acknowledge that cassiterite is tin ore, and you answered something completely different.
Is tin a conflict mineral? Yes or no?
To make this really easy for you, I am looking for a 1 word answer. Just 1 word. 1 word only.
Keep screaming at it. That will make it stop coming back!
The problem is that somebody different takes the bait every time. It won't be me again. I'm not holding my breath for my 1 word answer...
Is tin a conflict mineral? Yes or no?
Tin is not a conflict mineral according to Ernst & Young.
Will everyone please stop feeding this lying piece of shit? Even when proven wrong by his own gotcha document, it continues to lie.
My bad, I'm done.
Need a ruling.
Does ridiculing it without directly addressing it count as feeding it?
I support of the idea of insult and discredit, but don't engage.
Tin is not a conflict mineral according to Ernst & Young.
So I guess cassiterite according to Ernst and Young is mined for its oxygen...
Hey, that's fucking brilliant! And when the feds come asking about your compliance, you just tell them to take your word for it that none of your metal was from a conflict country, starting with the source and right on through the entire chain of custody.
See what happens when the wall screams back at it? It comes back and screams some more.
Stop being its wall, people!
Shriek after being called out by the Reason commentariat.
THIS is shreeeek.
lol
John Kerry threw away his conflict metals. Or so I've been told...
Someone caught you on video the other day screaming at a wall.
Tin is a derivative of cassiterite, you fucking dumbass.
(just a correction)
So when do we get your correction that Tin (cassiterite) is in fact a "conflict mineral" under Dodd-Frank?
Can I or can I not make a Celtic bronze sword using cassiterite that I get some dude to send me FedEx from his back yard in England legally under Dodd-Frank?
This invasion of privacy was funded by a grant from the Department of Homeland Security. No terrorists ever get caught so we have to do something.
"We just can't tell you about all the terrorists we've caught, because something about 'methods' and 'secrets' and 'security' something something.
But we've caught PLENTY of terrorists. Trust us. We have top men working on this. Top. Men."
OT: I'm sitting in a company meeting and they're talking questions from employees. A woman stands up and asks, "When are we going to put more women in leadership positions?" At least I think that's what she asked. What I heard was, "When am I going to get more special treatment?"
Maybe she should get on providing your management team with binders full of women. I hear that's empowering.
"Whey they earn it?"
Oops, I think I just earned a trip to HR.
And that's why you always test your mute button on a new phone...
The letters, which include a photograph of the vehicle and a close-up of the license plate, remind the recipient of the dangers associated with prostitution, including sexually transmitted diseases and other criminal activity a police state.
FTFY
And when the feds come asking about your compliance, you just tell them to take your word for it that none of your metal was from a conflict country, starting with the source and right on through the entire chain of custody.
"No, seriously, it's Black hills gold. Not that icky South African stuff. You have nothing to worry about."