Does it Matter if Your Father Was an Unpatriotic Marxist?


Last week, the U.K.-based newspaper The Daily Mail published an article written by Geoffrey Levy with the headline "The Man Who Hated Britain," which analyzed the beliefs of the now-deceased Ralph Miliband, a British Marxist intellectual and the father of Labour Party Leader Ed Miliband. The article was published a few days after Ed Miliband outlined policy proposals during his speech at the Labour Party conference. The energy and housing policies, which include freezing energy prices for 20 months and the seizure of private property from land developers who don't use their property in the way a future Labour government approves of, have been criticized and even described as "Stalinist." In his article, Levy points out that Damian McBride, who served as a special adviser to former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, argued in his memoirs that Ed Miliband "was obsessed with maintaining his father's legacy."
Levy's article has been criticized by some commentators and politicians in the U.K., not least by Ed Miliband, who claims that his father, a Jewish Belgian-born refugee who served in the Royal Navy, loved Britain. Perhaps unsurprisingly, some are accusing The Daily Mail of being anti-Semitic. The Daily Mail is standing by Levy's article.
In the Daily Mail article Levy highlights that Ralph Miliband did not support the Falklands War (which boosted Thatcher's popularity) and that as a 17-year-old he wrote the following in his diary:
The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world?.?.?.?you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent?.?.?.?To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.
The Daily Mail published an article earlier this week that apparently quotes from Ralph Miliband:
His disdain for Britain included: 'Eton and Harrow, Oxford and Cambridge, the great Clubs, the Times, the Church, the Army, the respectable Sunday papers…
'It also means the values of the ruling orders, keep the workers in their place, strengthen the House of Lords, maintain social hierarchies, God save the Queen, equality is bunk, democracy is dangerous etc…
'Also respectability, good taste, don't rock the boat, there will always be an England, foreigners, Jews, natives etc are all right in their place, and their place is outside.'
And these are the words of a man who 'loved Britain'?
It should be noted that both of the sons of Ralph Miliband, a man who reportedly disdained Oxford, attended that university.
Unsurprisingly, some are arguing that Ralph Miliband's words have been distorted.
I think it is possible to oppose a war your country wages, have objections to some of your country's institutions, and still be a patriot. I also believe that plenty of us have written stupid things as teenagers that we no longer endorse. Whether Ralph Miliband hated Britain or not is a distraction from the fact that Ed Miliband has been clear about his own views on socialism. The following is part of a transcript from a BBC Radio Five Live interview with Miliband in 2010:
Nicky Campbell: Are you a socialist?
Ed Miliband: Yeah, I am a socialist.
Campbell: Oh my goodness, We have not heard this from a Labour leader for a long long timewhile. Can you say it again.
Ed Miliband: I am not embarrassed about it. I'll tell you why I am not embarrassed about it. Am I a socialist? My Dad would have considered himself a socialist too-
Campbell: He was a Marxist.
Miliband: He would have said we need to have public ownership of everything, of many of the important things in society. I don't subscribe to that view. What I do say is that there are big unfairnesses in society and part of the job of Government is to bring about social justice and to tackle those unfairness and that is why I am a politician, that is why I am in politics.

Perhaps it is worth worrying about Ed Miliband's socialism, and what it would do to Britain if (god forbid) he ever becomes prime minister, rather than muse on the politics of a dead man and the influence he had on his son. Regardless of whether Ed Miliband's politics are influenced by his father or not, the outcomes of his policy proposals will be the same if they are ever implemented.
This squabble over whether Ralph Miliband loved Britain or not reminds me of the obsession some people seem to have over Barack Obama Sr. and the role he may or may not of had on his son's politics. This speculation was recently highlighted in Dinesh D'Souza's film 2016: Obama's America.
Whether it is Ed Miliband or Barack Obama, let's keep to debating the actual policies these men are proposing and stop the pointless speculation about their dead fathers' influence or patriotism.
Reason's May 2012 issue included an interesting article on the relationship between genetics and political persuasion which you can read here.
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So the proof of the Daily Mail's anti-semitism is an article written by a guy named Levy?
My three year old would agree.
Every Libertarian should agree, too. Because if we didn't think society was unfair, what would be the point in being Libertarian?
What is the point of being a libertarian?
OK, you know why his father's "patriotism" or whatever else people want to nitpick about is relevant? Because this clown doesn't get to where he is without the privilege handed down to him by his father. That's why. Ideally, politics would not be a family business, and yeah, I'm lumping Rand Paul in too. It's bad enough having politicians motivated by personal legacy. Mix in family legacy and you will necessarily get the worst behavior imaginable.
Yeah... the unfairness peddler riding into government because of his father's privilege with not one iota of self-awareness. Fuck him.
His speech is an emotional appeal on every level possible. Unfortunately, I recognize a lot of it from our own leaders' speeches.
Fortunately for Rand, politics is not the Paul family business. Medicine is.
Social justice would be your leaving me the fuck alone, and my leaving you alone.
in the US, we have answered that question but from the perspective of this applying to your mother. Seems the answer is no.
To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.
Um...
Dumbya invaded Iraq because of DADDY ISSUES.BusHitler got his Nazi genes from ol' Prescott Bush
You can't trick me into clicking that SIV.
Whether it is Ed Miliband or Barack Obama, let's keep to debating the actual policies these men are proposing and stop the pointless speculation about their dead fathers' influence or patriotism.
With guys like Obama, you can't fully understand his policies or why he does the things he does without understanding the man himself, and to fully understand the man himself it helps a lot to understand his family and his upbringing. Without that knowledge, his actions don't make any sense, which is why he remains such a mystery to so many regular people after being in office almost five years.
If Ralph is openly talking about seizing land and freezing prices, you don't need to discuss his father at all. He's making it plain for all to see.
Know who else was patriotic?
Mel Gibson?
Peter the Great?
I bet that discussing how Marxist Maliband's father was is much more substantial than obsessing about the travel of Seamus the dog on the roof of Romney's station wagon. Am I right that the New York Times is considered a more serious newspaper than the Daily Mail?
Am I right that the New York Times is considered a more serious newspaper than the Daily Mail?
I don't think so.
The Daily Mail is a tabloid. It is not serious in any sense, and it once literally supported the fascists.
And the NYT once covered up the Soviet genocide imposed on the Ukraine. But that's no big deal to a lot of people on the left, being one is never having to say you are sorry. Eggs, omelets and all.
The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; the Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; the Times is read by people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; the Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; and the The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is. Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.
In any rational world, given the past 142 years of history, these words would be political suicide.
142 years? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't get socialists first into power in the 20th century?
Rational people can recognize that a stove will burn you without first having to grab one of the glowing hot coils.
Not up on the history of the Prussia, I see.
Apparently, not up on A LOT of things.
Prussia was always a kingdom, never a People's Republic.
Whether it is Ed Miliband or Barack Obama, let's keep to debating the actual policies these men are proposing and stop the pointless speculation about their dead fathers' influence or patriotism.
It's very frustrating that for the head of the executive branch most people want to vote for a tribal leader instead of a plain ol' executive.
If only we could get a successful CEO to run...
Dead commie fathers are what is called a "Leading Indicator" in the business world. It strongly correlates to becoming a statist anti-freedom politician.
You know most of the business world lingo is bullshit, right?
Most any professional world lingo is BS.
Becoming a politician is the better leading indicator to anti-freedom statism. Those few who buck the trend are merely exceptions proving the rule, outsiders with little pull or respect outside a rabid ideological base.
Who else was "was obsessed with maintaining his father's legacy"?
He obsessed on the wrong stuff. Drunkenness and polygamy were less harmful options.
Drunkenness and fraudulent (criminal) polygamy are indeed less harmful to human society than a socialist with political power.
Obama was a doper for a while. In this particular case, it's too bad that choom and cocaine are not as addictive as the drug warriors say it is.
I suppose I should RTFA completely before commenting.
However, when a son writes a book titled "Dreams from My Father" that portrays a generally positive image of his father, it is fair to infer that he accepts his father's views unless, of course, he refutes them.
Even his mother though his obsession to write it was weird. I think I would have liked her. She seemed to have good instincts. Some kids deserve to be abandoned.
You are evil.
Alexander the Great?
Who coincidentally was also stalemated in Afghanistan ...
I think you're leaving out the relevant part of the entire Milibrand affair - namely, that in Britain today the publication of an article suggesting that a person who stated all the things he hated about Britain and the British "hated Britain" brings down the hammer of the press regulatory body, which punished the Daily Mail for so suggesting.
British socialist elites hate the Britain of "Eton and Harrow, Oxford and Cambridge, the great Clubs, the Times, the Church, the Army, etc." in the same way that American progressive elites hate the America of the liberal Enlightenment, individual natural rights, free enterprise, constitutionally limited government, etc.
And, sadly, both elite groups have crafted immigration policy to attract immigrants who reject the traditional values of their societies. Fortunately for us, however, liberal Enlightenment values, etc. are more appealing to Hispanics than "Eton and Harrow, etc." are to Pakistanis.
Despite Ralph's hostility to "Oxford and Cambridge", Ed matriculated from Corpus Christi College, Oxford and obtained a graduate degree from LSE. His statement of opposition to such institutions is akin to the hypocrisy that American elites demonstrate when they advocate public education for all and put their own children in private schools.
"I want to rape and murder and skin large numbers of young women, but I'm not some mad dog like my father."
I didn't realize you're related to Warty.
Given his adventures in time, all humans are related to Warty. Someone had to knock-up Mitochondrial Eve.
Isn't mitochondria essentially a foreign animalcule? Are we certain Warty didn't infect Mitochondrial Eve?
He infecnated her!
It's not like Britain hasn't flirted with socialism before. I mean, if Britain wants to return to the drab factory row houses and industry nationalization of the 70s, go for it.
One man's hellish internment-camp life is another man's paradise.
Unfortunately, the latter's vision of utopia involves a modest but stately home in the suburbs, driving his glossy black BMW into into the city center for his Party job crafting humane, environmental policy, jockeying for influence over dinners with higher-up officials, and spending weekends at conferences in Bern or Paris spreading the light of enlightened British despotism.
Don't forget about the transit strikes, sanitation strikes, physicians strikes, miners strikes, and general strikes.
To socialists, those are features, not bugs. So 'scaring' them with threats of strikes is like fanning the flames of something that's... on fire.
Politics is not genetic.
Fuck off, dumbass.
We libertarian despise racists like you.
Die in a fire "American" or whoever the fuck you are.
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You're responding to "American".
Apparently, you are an anti-Semite. Go away.
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