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Should Kids Really Be FORCED to Watch South Park?

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The answer of course is no. The title to yesterday's Reason TV release— "3 Reasons All Kids Should be FORCED to Watch South Park," was meant to be ironic. Given the many earnest comments and emails I fielded about the inconsistency involved in coercing kids to watch a show espousing libertarian values, I plainly failed at irony.

Over at Hot Air, Ed Morrissey (a fan of South Park, btw) posted the video and made a more substantive rebuttal to the video. Here's part of that:

Some of the "thinking for yourself" messages come across more as "ridiculing anything that Stone and Parker don't like," which isn't exactly the same thing.  I'm also a fan of Penn & Teller's "Bullshit," even when I sometimes vehemently disagree with their point of view, because they tend to offer a little more respect to competing points of view.

Of course, the material in both shows is raw, and I definitely wouldn't have kids watching the Penn & Teller show, which is aimed at educating adults, not children.  I don't find Nick entirely convincing on this point, but perhaps more so on an implied point — which is that most of the rest of the programming that kids and teens watch have very different messages aimed at them. My son used to watch The Simpsons, and I found it necessary to deconstruct the multitudes of straw men erected by that series until he grew out of his interest in it. I also am inclined to think that most kids would be more likely to emulate Cartman than to see him as a bête noire.

There are at least three points I'd like to make in response.

First, I recognize that many parents have widely varying comfort levels with the sorts of shows, books, games, and movies to which they expose their kids. Based on an informal sampling of my kids' friends, I'm way out there on one edge of the scale, where I pretty much let my kids watch virtually anything that's on the teevee (limiting the amount of time they watch, or play, etc. is another matter). That's partly because I found that kids pretty well sift out the stuff that is age-inappropriate for them. If I'm certain they're going to have nightmares after watching something, I'll switch the channels (though typically they've already done that). But more important, different households have different rules and that's just how it should be. 

Second, I disagree with Ed that South Park only ridicules things its creators don't like. There's simply too much love and obsessive knowledge of detail in Trey Parker and Matt Stone's work for them not to have love for, say, Broadway shows or online games like World of Warcraft. I think that's also true of the way they satirize religion. As Matt Stone told Reason in 2006:

I think we've always had religion in the show because it's just funny. I mean, there's just a lot of funny stuff. We've done stuff that's really anti-religion in some ways. But it's such an easy joke to go, "Look how stupid that is," and then stop right there. Religion's just much more fascinating than that to us. So from the very beginning, we always thought it was funny just to flip it on its ear and show how screwed up it is, but also how great it is. People couldn't tell if we were kidding.

I know that one of the things I respond to in South Park is the precisely that these guys are making fun of stuff that they are actually into on some level. This is a different type of fandom than was common a generation or two ago: It blends the sort of maniacal in-depth knowledge only an ardent student of something can have with the sort of caustic attitude that a critical observer has. You see something similar, I think, in The Onion (most of the early creators were totally in love with the sort of small-town paper they were goofing on) and in music mags such as the old Blender (super-snarky toward its idols in a way that Rolling Stone has never managed). ESPN sprung out of the same mind-set too: The Dan Patricks and Keith Olbermans of the world had memorized just as many stats as any jocksniffer from previous generations, but that didn't mean they couldn't be critical of sports and athletes.

My third and final point is an empirical response to Ed's notion that most kids would emulate the loathsome Eric Cartman rather than laugh at him. As it happens, I do know some kids who have repeated various Cartmanisms uncritically. Almost always, they get mocked by their friends for being so witless that they didn't realize Cartman is a jackass. I'm not making the case that South Park in the end is just another crucible of political correctness or or more-subtle mouthpiece for "correct" opinions. But I do think kids are sharper than we often give them credit for. And the fact is that the world they're growing up in is generally more tolerant and less filled with bullies than it used to be. I really do think that shows like South Park are part of the reason.

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  1. Given the many earnest comments and emails I fielded about the inconsistency involved in coercing kids to watch a show espousing libertarian values…

    …we have learned that there are an alarming number of earnest retards out there.

    1. I don’t know if it’s a disproportionate amount. Hopefully it’s just that they’re the ones with their email client constantly at the ready, poised to send their e-outrage off for righteous consideration, so they’re the ones we notice.

    2. Never go full retard man…

  2. You should have called them reasons jugs must be coerced into watching. The joke would have been clearer.

  3. There are some valuable things which you can get from the show, assuming you have no gag reflex. Thinking for oneself, though – that’s a bit of a stretch. These shows are so preachy and condemnatory against heretics that a sermon by Jonathan Edwards looks like Mr. Rogers saying he likes you just the way you are.

    1. Compare it to Family Guy, the spiritual (if not intellectual) successor to South Park‘s formula. It’s a show predicated on the notion that liberals are allowed to make highly offensive remarks that would brand anyone else a hopelessly atavistic bigot. And it’s funny, so long as it stays apolitical. When they stray into partisan territory, Macfarlane and company engage in a bizarre sort of televisual assisted masturbation with their lefty audience. South Park at least checks its pretensions at the door.

      1. “a bizarre sort of televisual assisted masturbation with their lefty audience”

        Hmmm…I will strive hard not to visualize that.

        1. Huh huh….you said “hard”…..huh huh, huh huh, huh huh…

          1. Now there’s the elevated discourse I’ve come to expect at H&R.

        2. Rather than two minutes of hate, it’s twenty-two minutes of self-love.

  4. Sure, if you don’t have much of a gag reflect, watch some episodes and get entertained/educated. But I’m not sure about the thinking for oneself part. The shows are so preachy and judgmental that they make Jonathan Edwards look like Mr. Rogers.

    1. Yeah, so good I said it twice.

      1. Preachy and judgmental. Really.

        1. What do you call the concluding speeches – do they still do those?

          And really, the people who espouse the allegedly wrong views – how are they portrayed?

          1. What do you call the concluding speeches

            As a wise man once said…

            1. All right, I’ll be unwise and ask again, what about the concluding speeches?

              And how *do* you think you portray people with wrong views?

              1. they portray

                1. You know, Ed, they went after atheists, too.

                  1. Yes, and they were quite preachy about it. I kind of felt bad for the poor atheists. The ones I know are really nice.

                    1. Really, there are people I usually don’t feel a lot of sympathy with…until I see their avatars get beat up in South Park. Yes, that would include atheist celebrities. It’s possible to be a dick when pointing out someone else’s dickishness.

                  2. And they were quite nice to Mormons. They totally trashed the whole “interpreted holy tablets while looking into a hat” thingy, but they portrayed the Mormons themselves as exceptionally nice people.

                    I kinda doubt that either Matt or Trey are Mormons.

                    And as BP noted, they have trashed atheists. And let’s never forget their treatment of Al Gore and “Manbearpig”.

                    1. Has anybody seen The Book of Mormon (musical)? Did it continue the same theme of the Mormon episode about not being a dick re other peoples’ religions? The ads I’ve seen don’t seem to emphasize that part very much, but I could be mistaken.

                    2. Penn Jillette reviews The Book of Morman and says “I just saw the best thing I’ve ever seen.”

                      He rambles quite a bit, but he conveys the message quite well. He sums up the message pretty well with “it absolutely destroys the religion until there is nothing left, but it absolutely loves the people. I cannot think of a show or work of art that loves people more than this show.”

                      “It is a complete and utter love letter to all people, and a complete and utter dismissal of all religion.”

                    3. Excelsior!

              2. You mean like portraying Mormons as the unthinking followers of an obvious con artist, and as the only people getting into heaven?

                1. Let us be fair to the Mormons…as I understand it, their posthumous baptism is supposed to retroactively make people Mormons and eligible for Heaven.

                  1. Slightly longer version: Proxy baptism doesn’t “make” you a Mormon. We believe that in the hereafter everyone will have the chance accept the gospel. If you choose to accept the gospel, here or hereafter, you have to be baptized. Since baptism can only be performed on mortals, we practice proxy baptism so that people who accept the gospel in the hereafter will have the opportunity to enjoy the blessings which come with it.

                    1. Thank you!

            2. The Book of Mormon treats religion the way Stone describes it in that excerpt above. It mocks the beliefs while celebrating the good that can be done by believers.

              1. If it weren’t such a cliche by now, I’d make a snarky comment about how I assume they’ll soon be doing a Koran musical.

                But I’m not going to blame them for not wanting to be beheaded. I wouldn’t care for such a thing myself.

                1. Poor Eduard, I feel for you man. Your internal emotional life must be incredibly hellish to make you behave like such a whiny shit.

                  1. The thing is, by non-fanboy standards I was actually fairly complimentary to the show, declaring that it outranked other stuff on TV, etc.

                    But perhaps this is one of those deals where you’re either 110% enthusiastic or you’re a hater.

                2. If it weren’t such a cliche by now, I’d make a snarky comment about how I assume they’ll soon be doing a Koran musical.

                  Watch the original Super Best Friends episode to see Muhammed(with the power of fire!) in glorious cartoon form that was televised numerous times with not a peep from the Dar al-Islam.

                  They did it before anyone really knew it was a thing

              2. I heard an interview with them when Book of Mormon came out. They knew and know a few Mormons and they said they really feel affectionately towards the Mormon religion, even if they do think it is totally absurd.

    2. Well South Park is great in that they spread it around and dish it out on everyone. They make fun of everyone and everything so if you can take a joke when it’s your personal identity’s turn to be the target, then the show is really funny and doesn’t come off as mean spirited or attacking any particular group.

      Thats the big difference between this show and others where magically the jokes are just always pointed at right cultural and political charactures.

      South Park is actually making fun, not just being the cross between lefty political propganda and inner rage and hatred that exists in coastal liberals minds.

      1. Of course it’s better than parroting jokes about Republicans! As I said, it’s educational and entertaining, and a step up from what leftys call “humor.”

        Because their targets aren’t chosen along traditionally progressive lines (ha ha Republicans sure are stoopid), then it looks like they’re criticizing *everyone.*

        1. Do you even watch the show? They rarely, if ever mention political parties.

          When asked about politics, one of them responded that they hated conservatives, but hated liberals more.

          1. Strictly, I said they chose their targets along *different* lines than the prog comedians, and I didn’t claim they mentioned political parties, but I waive that point.

            How do you define “rarely, if ever?”

            I saw the show where a turd sandwich was running for office against a giant douche.

            Also the show where the Obama vs. McCain election battle was just a front for a heist.

            I took these to be allusions to the political parties. Did I miss something?

            1. I took these to be allusions to the political parties. Did I miss something?

              The first was an allusion to the parties (and how terrible they are), the second was simply pointing out that no matter which candidate won in 2008, the theft was going to continue.

            2. Partisan references are pretty scarce. The Obama/McCain episode was an exception. Most of their political fire gets directed at various groups like environmentalists, nannystatists, etc., without Team Red/Blue labeling.

            3. Both episodes were allusions to the similarity of the parties. One made the point that either was a horrible choice, while the second was making the point that the horrible choices were in cahoots.

              A very important lesson.

          2. I believe the quote was something close to “I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals”

            Pretty sure it was on Reason, too.

      2. They even go after themselves, to some extent. In the “Passion of the Mel” episode, Stan and Kyle said that bad filmmakers had to be accountable, such as the makers of Baseketball.

        To a lesser extent, they had Jared literally beating a dead horse while angrily talking about his aides, as he’d done all through the episode.

        1. I remember that BASEketball joke.

          Didn’t care for that movie the first time I saw it, but repeat viewings have shown me how quotable it is.

          Steve Perry!

    3. Are you sure your comments are specific to South Park? Relief from that is one the things I most enjoy about the show.

      1. I acknowledge that the SP episodes I’ve seen are better than (say) what’s on network TV. In fact, I’m not doing South Park enough credit here, since drying paint is better than what’s on network TV.

        Nobody comes away from an episode of a standard-issue network sitcom saying “gosh, that really made me think!”

  5. Ed: Some of the “thinking for yourself” messages come across more as “ridiculing anything that Stone and Parker don’t like,” which isn’t exactly the same thing.

    Nick: Second, I disagree with Ed that South Park only ridicules things its creators don’t like.

  6. Actually, one of the best things about South Park is that they are equal opportunity offenders. If you watch long enough, your ox will definitely be gored.

    The ending to the episode on Mormons (seen in the ReasonTV video) is one of the best things ever put on television. They spend the entirety of the show absolutely trashing everything Mormon, with great effect. You laugh your butt off while saying “yeah, that Joseph Smith stuff is sooo stupid!” Then on the last line of the show they completely switch it around and point out what a dick you are for thinking that. If that doesn’t fall under the heading of “making you think”, I don’t know what does.

    But maybe their form of social pan-criticism is too subtle or too biting for many to grasp. In the award-winning South Park movie they show a bunch of 4th grade kids sneaking in to an off-color animated cartoon movie that is made for adults. The “Uncle Fucker” song is so offensive that all of the adults on screen walk out, leaving only the children in the theater. The obvious implication is that if you haven’t walked out of the South Park movie by that point, you are not a mature adult. This is satire at an unprecedented level. If you aren’t thinking, you just aren’t paying attention.

    1. And I never ever liked South park in the early years where it wa sjust oh kenny died and lets see how many quasi swears we can get on tv.

      For some reason though half way through the show they started being awesome at cultural critque and current events satire.

      1. And how old were you when the show “changed”?

      2. Many of the early years shows were great, but in a different way than the later years. Who didn’t love the Mexican staring frog of southern Sri Lanka (“it’s coming right for us!” or Chef Aid or Spookyfish? Also, in season 5, they mocked the saying “shit” on TV thing.

        I don’t love all of the episodes, but as someone else said in the thread yesterday, it’s stayed good and gotten better through the years, unlike the Simpsons, which was better at its peak but has been unwatchable for 13 years.

        1. I haven’t kept up with all the new episodes, but season 3 was the all around funniest in my opinion.

    2. Nobody makes you have to think more than the Chef with that succubus episode…

      1. tree fitty

        1. It was about that time…

      2. Or how about their critique of the world’s response to the Danish cartoon showing Mohamed? First they showed everyone in the US literally sticking their heads in the sand to avoid seeing the Family Guy episode that was going to show Mohamed. (while slamming Family Guy, The Comedy Chanel network, The Simpsons…) It was double-meta-funny because the network censored their clip of Mohamed.

        So they go on to make an episode that shows Mohamed wearing a bear costume while inside a truck – so you can’t see him. A deft and layered critique of both the Muslim response to the cartoon and of the western response to the Muslim response. Nobody else in Hollywood had the sack to make any sort of principled critique.

        1. It was double-meta-funny because the network censored their clip of Mohamed.

          Triply funny is that the episode was structured such that censoring the depiction of Mohammed actually made the episode MORE offensive to muslims since it’s now left up to the viewer to imagine what “getting a salmon helmet” means.

    3. I knew a guy in college that actually tried to argue that Family Guy was more intelligent than South Park.

      1. I hope you gave him the two word rebuttal: “Idea Balls”.

        1. It was before that episode. This was in the lull between the first and second run.

          1. That’s OK. Most folks are pretty slow on the snappy comeback. Just call him up and say, “Oh yeah?! Idea Balls!!”

            Then pretend like you were being meta-funny the whole time, kinda Andy Kaufman style.

            1. Andy Kaufman style.

              The beauty part is that that guy thinks LinchPin died of lung cancer years ago.

            2. That’s like this one time, I got a Swedish massage in Nairobi with Andy Kaufman and LynchPin1477.

              ./Peter Griffin voice

              See, it works every time…

  7. My parents let me watch whatever – being the youngest of 4 boys, they probably figured it’s too much hassle to keep me from what they watched – and I turned out just fine. Though I am a libertarian.

    1. My parents didn’t govern our TV intake growing up in the late 70s and 80s- at all. As a result, we sorta became “avant gardish” among friends who rarely caught any of our references since few of them actually watched what we were watching.

      We’ve remained unconventional ever since.

      Suck my balls.

  8. And, no, I wouldn’t really force, or even allow, my eight-year-olds to watch SP. But when they’re 14 or so, I’ll probably recommend it to them. (That’s the way it worked with their older brothers, and they turned out admirably, at least so far.)

    1. Sounds about right.

  9. too subtle or too biting for many to grasp

    As a wise man once said, “…we have learned that there are an alarming number of earnest retards out there.”

  10. South Park is funny, period. Do we have to talk about how it is politically edifying or why libertarians should support it?

    Personally, my favorite comedy on TV right now is It’s Always Sunny. Why? Because it makes me laugh. Do I have to have a greater reason to like it? As far as I can tell, its slant (to the degree that it has one) is liberal. Will I let that get in the way of my enjoyment? Hell no; if it makes me laugh it’s a good show. Politicizing things is for people who have too much time on their hands and sanctimonious bores (almost invariably the same thing).

    1. Funny absolves many sins. Unfunny undoes many virtues.

    2. Yeah, they don’t let politics get in the way. In the gun episode, they had characters on both sides, so to speak, and it seemed like they were far more concerned with the show being funny than pushing any agenda.

  11. Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve been watching South Park since it’s inception nearly 20 years ago and I’ve never found it to be particularly “libertarian”. Maybe compared to other cartoons like Family Guy that push a far-left agenda, but South Park has always come across to me as mostly liberal with some libertarian leanings. A program that treads extremely lightly so as not to anger the younger, “progressive” base it appeals to.

    For example last night’s episode parodied Cartman, the series most loathsome character, as Edward Snowden, complete with a stupid crack about Russia at the end. The whole episode and many others like it that deal with political issues seem like they could have been written by John Stewart rather than a principled libertarian.

    1. I seem to recall a similar mocking of Wikileaks, literally comparing it to a rat.

      And unless I’m mistaken, I recall an episode about a Tea Party like group motivated to go into activism by the small size of their dicks.

      1. Yes, or what about the episodes that focused on the 2008 presidential election or the economic crisis? They came across as written by snarky liberals, or at least with a message that appeals to that demographic.

        1. Anyone who watches South Park and sees snarky liberalism is being haunted by their own private demons.

          1. Kinda like the people who read Reason’s coverage of the Ron Paul newsletters as some kind of cosmotarian plot.

            1. So says the Cosmotarian Plotter. Ever read The Brother Karamazov? Hugely entertaining novel. There is a monk character, no not the Grand Inquisitor, but another one, who fasts and starts seeing little imps everywhere. What’s my point? I’m feeling a bit hungry at the moment. Everything looks like a plot to get me until me belly is satiated.

              1. Love me some Dostoyevsky. (Except for his liberal snark.)

          2. It’s snarky ParkerStoneism. As is their right – they’re the creators.

          3. The show reguarly makes fun of “snobby liberals” who like smelling their own farts.

            For every episode goin on about “they took our jerbs” – they make fun of the typical liberal characture too

            And they do everything in between ad stuff thats not even political. Like the “500” parady episode is awesome.

        2. Are we thinking of the same economic crisis episode? The one where people treat the “Economy” like an angry god and Stan tries to return a margarita maker only to find out that it is owned by the government, and that decisions are made by chopping the head off a chicken and seeing where the body lands? I didn’t really see a strong liberal agenda in that one.

          1. Heh, just thinking of it makes me laugh.

          2. Agreed. An OWS inspired episode would have made the bankers evil, not incompetent. Yeah, no, yeah.

          3. “…..and, it’s gone.”

          4. The end of the episode was Kyle (I think?) paying off everyone’s debt with a credit card, resulting in zero negative consequences. Sure seems like a message the left would be happy with. Maybe it was somehow promoting personal responsibility in a roundabout way but if it was it was sure easy to overlook.

            1. Except they’re obviously paralleling the seen to the crucifixtion of Christ. They’re not suggesting it as a actual solution; they’re mocking the “government as God” faith that allows other people to advocate for it.

            2. Kyle’s mom begs him not to do it because of the consequences to his credit. You’re seeing a liberal message that isn’t there. It ends with Obama getting credit for saving the economy while not doing anything, but that’s more of a zing on the media than anything else.

            3. Kyle was depicted as a Christlike figure for accepting everyone’s debt. Even though he did nothing wrong. He was a kid who was saddled with his past generation’s debts.

              Kyle is a stand in for children who have to payoff the massive debt we have been accruing.

              1. Margaritaville is also the Easter episode, therefore all of the Christ references, including the sermon on the hill, the Romans and the town elders deciding to end the problem, the Priest saying how stupid it would be if Kyle were the Economy’s only son, because why would the omnipotent economy be limited to only 1 son? Plus the jabs at the top men in DC getting involved with the economy.

    2. Family Guy is a perfect example of a show that IMO people assume is funny because it agrees to their politics.

      They go back in time to Nazi Germany and find GOP campaign memorabilia, and it’s funny because the GOP is exactly like Nazis. That’s the joke!

      Oh.

      Okay.

      1. I find Family Guy funny when it’s apolitical. The political is occasionally clever, but often just simplistic stuff like “Republicans are evil hahaha!”

    3. From what I have heard from Parker and Stone, they lean libertarian but don’t really seem very ideologically motivated to me. South Park tends to target whatever is being talked about at the time. I do think that when a political or social ideology sort-of-kind-of leaks through, it tends to be libertarianish. But South Park is no more Team Libertarian than it is Team Red or Team Blue.

  12. The beauty part of South Park is that it is both very funny, and meshes very well with my own worldview. Few things in this vale of tears manage both.

    1. Last night’s episode sucked the balls dry. It was awful, stilted, even a decent Alec Baldwin parody couldn’t carry it as it was weighed down with so much weak material. Good Lord, the forced characterization alone. Butters especially was poorly used to make a point.

      1. I’m sorry to hear that. I haven’t seen the epi yet. There are a few episodes that miss, I’ll grant.

      2. What citizen said – missed it. I’ll watch. There have been very few clunkers over the years in my mind.

        The one that sticks out as fucking AWFUL was when Stan kept saying everything was shit, and more and more shit kept showing up…I don’t even remember it all, because it was the one episode I decided I’d never watch again because it was so fucking stupid and nonsensicle.

        So – we’ll catch the new one and render an opinion…

        1. Wasn’t that the season finale a couple of seasons ago, when they made everyone think they going to kill off Stan?

          1. It was the mid-season finale.

        2. It was a metaphor for how becoming too cynical about everything eventually starts sucking all of the joy out of life because you eventually become unable to like anything. That’s actually a problem I’ve been worrying about in my own life lately, so the show actually made me really uncomfortable, but it’s one of my recent favorites for exactly that reason.

          1. It’s one of my favorite episodes too for daring to be that much of a downer.

      3. I don’t know about that; I found the whole “Church of the State” thing was pretty damn funny. I wonder how often Tony runs down to the DMV to absolve his sins…

        1. Yeah, but I could see it coming a mile away. The dialog from Butters was forced onto to the character to make the point. My favorite little passive aggressive sicko deserved better.

      4. I laughed. How could you not laugh at Alec Baldwin’s homophobic thumbs? Though they missed many chances for more “Shitter” gags.

  13. See, when I think that I must just be going insane, I can watch South Park (or read Mencken) and realize, laughing, that at least I am not alone in my insanity.

  14. To the point about kids emulating Cartman rather than understanding him as an object of ridicule:

    One of the funniest things about Beavis and Butthead was the army of teenage boys who thought Mike Judge and the show were laughing with them and not at them.

    1. Maybe you didn’t get it. Mike Judge laughs with everybody not at anyone. He’s like the Jesus of animated sitcoms.

      1. I am so ticked that The Goode Family died too soon.

    2. You can laugh at people and still love them. Beavis and Butthead was funny to me when it started and I was 15 or so because I had friends who were not dissimilar to them, right down to the Metallica shirts and the Butthead laugh.

      1. It’s also possible to both laugh at and relate to, their attempt to voyeur a nudist colony and then when they froze still for several hours watching the wang and tang show. Easily me at thirteen.

  15. I’ve decided there are no real returns in trying to be witty or funny or clever when introducing a foreign concept to either progressives or republicans.

    They just don’t get the fundamental concepts enough to give you a chance. It’s no surprise that half the response Nick is getting (to a nice video btw) is focused on the FORCED CHILDREN part and completely ignoring the point. These people aren’t going to get the point unless you put it in front of them on a doily nice and polite-like (and ideally in a non-threatening manner). Like if your title was “Three great lessons from South Park that we can use to better our society and ourselves” or some bullshit like that.

    You have to lay it out for these people.

    1. “These people aren’t going to get the point unless you put it in front of them on a doily nice and polite-like (and ideally in a non-threatening manner).”

      Sure, but I think this is the best way to convince libertarians too, you retard. If you disagree you’re a moron.

      Just kidding about the insults, but really, I think Parker and Stone are about humor, not conversion. I won’t rule out the possibility of people being converted by SP, but I don’t think that’s their prime objective.

      1. I was speaking in regard to Gillespie / Reason making arguments, not South Park (where I agree with you). So your point about non-threatening doilies applying to us libertards too is quite salient, it appears.

        1. lol your just a Beckerhead, go back to Faux news libtard lol

          howtoarguewithlibertarians.org

        2. Sorry, upon retrospect I think that was not doily enough. Try 3:

          “I think that when we libertarians try to point out examples of good libertariany things we should use simple and direct language. South Park doesn’t have to because it’s about being funny not about ‘teaching’. We have to because no one gets our jokes.”

  16. Holy shit there is some heavy retard on this thread. Anyone who thinks that South Park is ideological is so fucking jammed up their own KULTUR WAR ass that they’ll never get dislodged. South Park’s only ideology is the skewering of other people’s retarded ideologies. They are a pretty good example of “reason” itself (not the magazine, the concept) in a very similar vein to Penn & Teller.

    Seriously, if you think South Park is batting for a TEAM, or even complainingly implying it, you are too stupid to even be taken seriously. Of course it’s obvious who will whine about it, since they cannot stand their own ox being gored, ever, even if the other people they hate get skewered too. Some people are so invested in their own stupidity that making fun of it gets someone on the enemies list, no matter what else that someone might do. TEAM UBER ALLES.

    1. “Leave Matt and Trey alone!”

      1. Leave the Catholic Church alone!

        You are so pathetically un-self-aware that it embarrasses me that you post on this site. The sockpuppets are more interesting than you.

        1. Why do you still read my posts? Don’t you have software that can spare you such suffering?

    2. No way! You’re wrong! There’s always an underlying political agenda! Scrotie McBoogerballs is a liberal!

  17. MATT DAMON!!

    1. + MATT DAMON!

      1. CNBC constantly runs commercials for AmeriTrade and Damon does the voice work. Every time I hear it I mentally yell – MATT DAMON!.

        1. I periodically pull up the YouTube with all the scenes from the movie with him saying, “MATT DAMON!” I think it’s 14 seconds. I play it over, and over, and over, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

          My wife gets really mad when they’re interviewing him on TV, cause I just start saying MATT DAMON! over whatever he’s saying.

          I’m like Pavlov’s dog, fer Chrissakes!

          MATT DAMON!!

  18. I think the show that truly gored EVERYONE’S ox was “In Living Color”. It had some political edge now and then, but they were fucking MERCILESS.

    I wish it were still on.

    South Park – my kids are all adults now (youngest is 18) and we’ve always watched it together. We named our cats “TIMMEH!” and Cartman. Daughter #2 had a Mr. Mackey magnet on her HS locker (“Drugs Are Bad, Mmmmkay?” – high school administration APPROVED!) Daughter #1 and I constantly argue using, “Whatevah! I do what a WANT!” and “Screw you guys – I’m goin’ home.” My son and I answer phone calls from the other with, “TIMMEH!” We sit around at Christmas and listen to “Mister Hankey’s Christmas” CD.

    So it’s had a bit of an impact. And, yeah, I guess we’re pretty fucked up. I don’t find South Park terribly libertarian – just funny as hell, even after all these years, and still having an edge. Love the show. Will watch it as long as it’s on.

    1. Yes, but did you get the Southpark tattoos? The permanent ones? If not, you’re only a lukewarm fan.

      1. Nope – no tas of any kind. Too much of a pussy so far.

        *puts on “Winger” shirt*

    2. TIMMEH! Yeah, my wife and I use that all the time. Never gets old. Our eight-year-olds wonder what the fuck is wrong with us.

      1. It made the Bruins Stanley Cup run that much more exciting to watch, for me and my kids.

      2. Daughter #2 and I had an entire conversation in Glasgow when we visited a few years ago. In public. “Timmeh! Timmeh timmeh timmeh…timmeh timmeh! TIMMEH!”

        People were just staring at us…as you can imagine.

        It. Was. Awesome.

        1. I just recently saw “Up the Down Steroid” again in rerun and I was just dying when Timmeh! is trying to rat out Jimmy to Mr. Mackey. So great

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fR30lWZXZc

    3. In the nineties I had the bad habit of doing my Cartman impressions during sex. Women just can’t take a joke and an orgasm at the same time.

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