Obama Recommends a 'Transformation' That Guts the Second Amendment While Respecting It

Speaking at yesterday's memorial service for the 12 people murdered at the Washington Navy Yard last week, President Obama dared Americans to "care enough" to do something about gun violence. Exactly what we are supposed to do was far from clear, however:
These families have endured a shattering tragedy. It ought to be a shock to us all as a nation and as a people. It ought to obsess us. It ought to lead to some sort of transformation. That's what happened in other countries when they experienced similar tragedies. In the United Kingdom, in Australia, when just a single mass shooting occurred in those countries, they understood that there was nothing ordinary about this kind of carnage. They endured great heartbreak, but they also mobilized and they changed, and mass shootings became a great rarity.
And yet, here in the United States, after the round-of-clock coverage on cable news, after the heartbreaking interviews with families, after all the speeches and all the punditry and all the commentary, nothing happens. Alongside the anguish of these American families, alongside the accumulated outrage so many of us feel, sometimes I fear there's a creeping resignation that these tragedies are just somehow the way it is, that this is somehow the new normal.
We can't accept this. As Americans bound in grief and love, we must insist here today there is nothing normal about innocent men and women being gunned down where they work. There is nothing normal about our children being gunned down in their classrooms. There is nothing normal about children dying in our streets from stray bullets.
No other advanced nation endures this kind of violence—none. Here in America, the murder rate is three times what it is in other developed nations. The murder rate with guns is ten times what it is in other developed nations. And there is nothing inevitable about it. It comes about because of decisions we make or fail to make. And it falls upon us to make it different….
I've said before, we cannot stop every act of senseless violence. We cannot know every evil that lurks in troubled minds. But if we can prevent even one tragedy like this, save even one life, spare other families what these families are going through, surely we've got an obligation to try….
We Americans are not an inherently more violent people than folks in other countries. We're not inherently more prone to mental health problems. The main difference that sets our nation apart, what makes us so susceptible to so many mass shootings, is that we don't do enough—we don't take the basic, common-sense actions to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. What's different in America is it's easy to get your hands on gun—and a lot of us know this. But the politics are difficult, as we saw again this spring. And that's sometimes where the resignation comes from—the sense that our politics are frozen and that nothing will change.
Well, I cannot accept that. I do not accept that we cannot find a common-sense way to preserve our traditions, including our basic Second Amendment freedoms and the rights of law-abiding gun owners, while at the same time reducing the gun violence that unleashes so much mayhem on a regular basis. And it may not happen tomorrow and it may not happen next week, it may not happen next month—but it will happen. Because it's the change that we need, and it's a change overwhelmingly supported by the majority of Americans.
By now, though, it should be clear that the change we need will not come from Washington, even when tragedy strikes Washington. Change will come the only way it ever has come, and that's from the American people. So the question now is not whether, as Americans, we care in moments of tragedy. Clearly, we care. Our hearts are broken—again. And we care so deeply about these families. But the question is, do we care enough?
Do we care enough to keep standing up for the country that we know is possible, even if it's hard, and even if it's politically uncomfortable? Do we care enough to sustain the passion and the pressure to make our communities safer and our country safer? Do we care enough to do everything we can to spare other families the pain that is felt here today?
Our tears are not enough. Our words and our prayers are not enough. If we really want to honor these 12 men and women, if we really want to be a country where we can go to work, and go to school, and walk our streets free from senseless violence, without so many lives being stolen by a bullet from a gun, then we're going to have to change.
Obama makes several questionable assertions about the impact of gun control, but I'd like to focus on the policy he is recommending, because he utterly fails to do so. At first he seems to be calling for severe restrictions on gun ownership, along the lines of those imposed by the U.K. and Australia. British law prohibits private handgun ownership, bans broad categories of rifles, and requires a permit for shotguns. In Australia handguns and semi-automatic rifles are not legally available for general use, and you need a license to own any type of firearm. To get a license you must cite, depending on the type of gun, a "genuine reason" or a "genuine need." Self-defense does not count.
Having commended the British and Australian models, neither of which is consistent with the right to arms guaranteed by our Constitution, Obama insists there is "a common-sense way to preserve our traditions, including our basic Second Amendment freedoms and the rights of law-abiding gun owners, while at the same time reducing the gun violence that unleashes so much mayhem on a regular basis." But he won't tell us what it is, except to say that it involves "change" and "some sort of transformation."
Obama does allude to "basic, common-sense actions to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people," which he says are "overwhelmingly supported by the majority of Americans." These clues suggest he is talking about expanding background checks to cover private gun sales as well as sales by federally licensed dealers. But that can't be the change he has in mind, because it has nothing to do with the Navy Yard massacre, the perpetrator of which bought his weapon, a shotgun, from a licensed dealer and passed a background check because he did not have a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric history.
Since Obama adds that "what's different in America is it's easy to get your hands on gun," we can surmise that he thinks it should be hard to get your hands on a gun, which is problematic in light of the "Second Amendment freedoms" he promises to respect. To sum up: Obama wants a change that is dramatic yet supported by a vast majority of Americans, onerous for "dangerous people" but easy on everyone else, similar to British and Australian gun control but different enough to comply with the Second Amendment. In short, a fantasy.
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Eat a bag of dicks, Obama.
Brief. Clear. Offensive. And pretty much what I wanted to say.
Except I don't think he should get a bag. How about a pipeline?
For lack of better words, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking to say to dear leader.
+++ Would read again.
Exactly what we are supposed to do was far from clear, however
Don't be so obtuse, Jacob. What we do isn't as important as doing something. If we just sit there like lumps and say "well, crazy people are crazy" then we might as well have pulled the trigger on that pile of corpses under Obama ourselves.
That's politicians for you.
Do something. Do ANYTHING! Even do the absolutely wrong thing! But do something. Because doing nothing is worse than anything else.
Who cares if the people of the United States get stripped of human rights, we already have way too many, just ask anyone in dozens of second and third world nations out there. We need to be more like them, because...hmm, I don't know why, do you?
..."But he won't tell us what it is, except to say that it involves "change" and "some sort of transformation.""...
Maybe it has to do with "hope".
it involves "hope"ing that bad people will hand in their guns just like the good people.
"Now that a mass murder has been committed by another crazy person, I propose we do nothing about crazy people. However, because these murders were committed with a shotgun, it shows that we need to restrict the availability of scary-looking rifles with detachable magazines. And because this murderer passed several background checks and had a security clearance, it shows that every gun purchase should be preceded by a simple background check."
Exactly. Makes perfect sense when you don't think about it. Thinking is hard.
".....but they also mobilized and they changed, and mass shootings became a great rarity."
Instead they endure a saturated market in crime and many times more murders than if they had mass shootings every week.
Shitweasel really is a dunce for taking this tack. What a surprise.
But being a victim of a mass shooting is 10x as bad as being the victim of an ordinary murder.
Yup. And being shot with a single bullet makes you 33.9 times deader than being torn apart in a wood chipper.
they also mobilized and they changed, and mass shootings became a great rarity
Umm, mass shootings were a great rarity before their panties got all bunched and they banned guns. That "became" is a flat-out lie.
Mass shootings are a rarity here in the US too. Aside from the odd isolated uptick in one year or another, we have about the same number per year now as we did 30-40 years ago.
The only thing that has increased, comparing then to now is the intensity of media coverage of mass murders.
OK, time for another Obama Drinking Game. Every time he uses the words "common-sense", DRINK!
I would but....
Something about having a cake & eating it, too...
Climb up that pile of bodies, Barack! Climb! It worked so well for you the last time!
Do you think he and his staff do high-fives or fist-bumps after a mass shooting, terrorist incident, or natural disaster?
I honestly think some of them breath a long sigh of relief. But hey, it's what their fucked up job demands.
If you have to twist your morality to fit your politics, then perhaps you should question your politics.
No, that could get caught on social media or something. No, they just get really, really hard. Even the female ones.
How can you tell the difference?
Prominent Adam's apples.
Ah. This is why I go to you with such questions.
He's free to try to rally the states and Congress to amend the Constitution.
How quaint.
I really wish they would.... I am ready to move to a seccesionist Texas
What a piece of shit. It has gotten to the point where I have to turn off the radio or TV or whatever is I hear that asshole talking.
I just turn the channel.
Been there for several years. Literally cannot stand to listen to or see him.
*click*
sorry, after Mumbai and Nairobi, I'm even less inclined to cheer on the total armed security state, and as such I prefer to go with a more distributed approach. Conceal carry for us, 6" American flags for everyone else.
Oh, and NO, no... no... no... no and... no, still no, nope, no and no. Now throw away your Rush Limbaugh hats. See? Compromise!
Was that a reference to the article about the entitled woman and the argument with her father?
Obscure, but I like it.
You're on fire today.
Her argument with her dying father.
He's not quite dead yet.
Oh, yes he is - thanks so much.
Obama dared Americans to "care enough" to do something about gun violence. Exactly what we are supposed to do was far from clear, however
Like Vincent Gray: "I don't know the answer. But I do know this -- ... I for one will not be silenced about the fact the time has come for action."
It *must* be the air or water in DC!
I care enough to do something. And what I do is carry a gun. See, I figure that if a mass shooting breaks out around me, I've got three options:
(1) Run squealing like a little girl. Or SWAT cop, take your pick.
(2) Catch a bullet.
(3) Return fire.
Of the three, only the last counts as doing something about gun violence.
What an ass that guy is. There is nothing ordinary about mass shootings. If there were, we'd hear about 40 or 50 a day, not a few a year. Still, I'm glad to see our reliably idiotic president thinks every last one of us should be punished for the actions of a couple of crazies. At least he's consistent.
Fuck you Barry. I am not going to be moralized to by the administration that gave us fast and furious.
Fuck you Barry. I am not going to be moralized to by the administration that gave us fast and furious
Or the administration that is arming Al Qaeda in Syria.
Or the administration that kills American citizens using a mysterious disposition matrix rather than quaint old concepts like due process.
And one that arms terrorists.
Seriously, what a piece of ugly subsidized art your leader is. So full of vapid, unsubstantiated, cynical left-wing gibberish.
You know who else....etc. etc. etc.
OK, I think I have a solution: Mandated body armor for everyone.
No one needs two pieces of Kevlar.
"Our country is drowning in a sea of guns."
Why won't you throw our children a life preserver, Paul?
Why do you hate *innocent children*?
We've had lots of guns since our inception.
Yeah, cap and ball... black powder.
/Bill Maher.
It's sickening that we can't have a rational conversation about anything anymore. People just toss around lies, half-truths, or total misdirection, not caring in the least what the truth is. Or what the ugly consequences to all of this misrepresentation might be.
That's an outright lie - thanks for the Teahadist, Killing-Spreethuglican talking points for today, ProL.
Almost three quarters of all babies now die from gun-related causes, but all you want to do is obfuscate and redirect.
Also - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
Plus, RACIST. Of course.
What I like is when Obama, a man surrounded all the time by heavily armed guards and will continue to be so guarded for the rest of his life, says the rest of us should be disarmed.
Well - common sense. Duh!
What I like is when Obama, a man surrounded all the time by heavily armed guards and will continue to be so guarded for the rest of his life, says the rest of us should be disarmed.
Those guards are trained. Are you trained? And besides, he's doing the work of the American people. Are you doing the work of the American people? And besides, Obama isn't handling the guns, they are? You can hire professionally trained guards. And besides, you haven't demonstrated a need to protect yourself. Obama has.
I think the proper verb here is not "demonstrated." I think it is "created."
And yet, here in the United States, after the round-of-clock coverage on cable news, after the heartbreaking interviews with families, after all the speeches and all the punditry and all the commentary, nothing happens.
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM. Suck it, bitch.
Every time I read something like this it transports me back to 2008, where I was being browbeaten repeatedly about how gun control is a political loser for Democrats and they wouldn't attempt it, and how Obama, despite his previous open support of it, was just blowing rhetorical smoke and that I was an idiot and a racist for taking him at his word.
It's just too tempting. Don't we have the bodies of two Colorado politicians hanging by the side of the road to remind these people of their fate?
Here be Gun Controllers.
The interesting part of the vote, just being whispered mind you, is that one of them was bounced by Democratic voters.
You mean all those lies the paranoid racist fearmongering NRA spread? Yeah.
I'm actually stating to get Obama voters in my CHL classes, who have figured out they've been stabbed in the back.
That is sweet. This is the only kind of news that brightens my day any more.
Concealed Hipster License? Obama voters in those? Nooooo.
If Mr. Obama were really concerned about reducing gun crime, he would end the federal war on drugs tomorrow. If Mr. Obama were really concerned about the Constitution, he would resign this afternoon.
We Americans are not an inherently more violent people than folks in other countries
See above.
Finally, SOMEBODY has the courage to suggest that federal office buildings on US military bases in Washington, D.C. should restrict firearms in some way...
/sarc
God, I have actually been driven to the point where I straight-up hate the man. It's as if he and the Progressives are trying to radicalize Americans who actually believe that the Constitution should have some sort of legal relevance to our government. He is a scumbag of unparalleled magnitude.
To be fair to dear leader, there are many congress critters who are just as disgusting and vile as what he is.
He is the President, right? And yet he's lecturing Americans as if he were some cranky lit professor or HuffPo writer.
And yet he's lecturing Americans as if he were some cranky lit professor or HuffPo writer.
Well, yeah.
"Everyone is wrong and you are right?" (about obamacare)
"Yes."
He then went on to tell us that after it goes fully into effect we would all love it and thank him for making us do it.
Lecturing us just like a parent lecturing kids, almost word for word. It is impossible to overstate how arrogant that jug-eared dunce is.
It reminds me of the beer summit. Obama fucked up royally and popped off at the mouth before he had all of the facts, and then called it a "teachable moment", as if he felt it was his place to instruct us ordinary folk on how to live...
Impeachment is a teachable moment. A lot of people are still confused about the difference between impeachment and conviction/removal. I think we need a demonstration. Actually, a whole bunch of demonstrations.
Impeachable is teachable. I like it.
Well, he IS a lecturer. He does what comes natural. Blah, blah, blah, wag, wag, wag, wah, wah, wah.
It seems to me you're less likely to be shot outside of a gun-free zone than inside of one.
Ban gun-free zones! It's common sense!
And if you dropped the murder rates of Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, and Washington D.C. from our murder rates, America becomes one of the most peaceful nations in the world.
Perhaps the problem isn't the firearms. Maybe you urbanites and TEAM Blue cattle need to learn how to fucking behave yourselves.
"No other advanced nation endures this kind of violence?none."
Bald. Faced. Lie.
What exactly does "advanced nation" mean?
It will mean whatever Mother Jones wants it to when they are done cherry picking their statistics.
In my mind? A nation that can send people to anywhere within the solar system and back within a year or less.
That's ooga-booga land. A truly advanced nation would provide for all its citizen's welfare with a social safety net; by that, I obviously mean single-payer socialized blowjob service providers.
It is horrific that there are Americans who live their whole lives in blowjob poverty; never once experiencing the sensation of full, moist lips sealing around the tip of a turgid penis.
You had me at "single-payer socialized blowjob service"
It's coming. And if you like your current blowjob provider, you can keep it.
GOVERNMENT BLOWJOB PROVIDER
Like I'm clicking that link, HM.
There isn't enough money to make me click that.
Judging from what the government issued to me in the military - given the gap between my desires and their solutions - I would expect that to resemble an overweight, 50-something dude with 5-o'clock shadow, a blonde wig, in a sweat stained wife beater.
You first.
If they really cared about such things, they'd let us free marketers go ape shit for a while, because the only way we actually get anything like that for everybody is post-scarcity. And that's only happening with a lot of technological advance that our fucking government ain't gonna deliver.
Define violence.
The province of Saskatchewan rates of violence match ANY U.S. region.
Well, yeah. Gordie Howe's from there - where do you think he learned how to use those lethal, lethal elbows of his?
"And if you dropped the murder rates of Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, and Washington D.C. from our murder rates, America becomes one of the most peaceful nations in the world."
Not among "advanced nations". Germany, Spain, Italy, Australia, New Zealand... all have a lesser murder rate than any american state. And France and UK are very close to do it too.
And I don't even speak of Switzerland, Norway, Austria, Japan, HK, Singapour...
Here are the most current figures:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....icide_rate
Note that the U.S, with 4.8/100k, is well below the world average of 6.9.
Looking at different heavily gun-controlled cherries, Mexico is at 23.7 and Russia at 10.2.
Basically if you compare national stats race by race, the USA is not an outlier on the violent side. We just have more blacks.
And now they regret it.
I'll pass on that.
Well, gee, you think some dude chopping off a soldier's head in broad daylight to screeching ululations of Allah akbar, in the middle of London, might have something to do with it?
It may well be true that many Britons feel that way, but it's just a stupid online poll.
I don't get it. How could mass shootings have become a great rarity, when just a single mass shooting occurred before they acted? If there was only one mass shooting, wasn't it already rare? Apparently the 1st time in hx it happened, they acted. Must've been a long time before that 1.
I thought the same thing. Does this guy even consciously understand what is coming out of his mouth?
Obama's vacuousness needs more children in the background.
President Fuckwit trusts radical Islamists in Syria with weapons, but not American citizens. Therefore, I must conclude:
MOST PRO-2nd AMENDMENT PRESIDENT EVAR!!11
/Stalin's Buttboy
And then there's this:
And similarly, the CDC recently released its report on gun violence and came to basically the same conclusions. Which is why the Obama Admin and the Media quickly swept it under the rug.
Text of my proposed Constitutional Amendment:
All men between the ages of 18 and 65 shall be trained in the proper use and care of small arms. Each shall procure and maintain such weapon. Each shall be required to be armed in any public place at all times. No woman of the same age shall be prohibited from also undertaking this service.
A provision shall be made for conscientious objection, but exercising that objection shall remove any obligation of the armed citizenry or police from defending said objector.
A "conscientious objector" earned the fucking Medal of Honor. I'd defend that man with my life, wouldn't you?
1. Make it "all citizens" and erase the upper age limit. (At our range the saying goes "Learn to shoot like a girl, if you're good enough.")
2. Allow legal residents to participate.
Please note that "remove any obligation of the armed citizenry or police from defending said objector" means nothing, as there is currently no such obligation to defend anyone not in custody.
Considering it was a military facility, I'm betting at least some of those 12 dead men and women were hard core gun rights types. Way to piss on their graves at their own memorial service.
Way to piss on their graves at their own memorial service.
That's the Chicago way.....
Automatic death penalty for use of a firearm in the commission of a felony.
So if a CHL while carrying releases a baloon that floaats over the ocean?
http://articles.sun-sentinel.c.....ood-storks
Remember, the typical federal felon used to be someone like Al Capone. Now it's someone like Martha Stewart.
What a surprise that we get to hear once again about "folks" wanting "common sense" gun-control.... at lest the elitist uber liberal progressive "folks" do... just like the emperor.
"But if we can prevent even one tragedy like this, save even one life, spare other families what these families are going through, surely we've got an obligation to try...."
Exactly. This is one reason (among many) why I joined the Marines on a guarranteed combat arms contract the first chance I had, learned how to use modern arms effectively, continue to train with those arms, maintain a license to carry, and do carry as often as possible. I would say that my approach is much more practical than any BS legislation O'Bozo would propose.
And yet, here in the United States, after the round-of-clock coverage on cable news, after the heartbreaking interviews with families, after all the speeches and all the punditry and all the commentary, nothing happens.
Actually, something does. The next copycat goes shopping.
The Navy Yard situation is actually something the president could have unilaterally solved. Suppose after the Fort Hood "disarmed warriors" shooting the Commander in Chief had ordered, "Active, reserve, and retired officers of the U.S. military, who are qualified with the handgun, are authorized to carry one anywhere in the United States, and required to do so when on duty."
I love how the usualy "liberal" response to this idea is to trot out their usual talking point about how that would lead to wild west shootouts, doing a complete mental frog-leap oover the fact that even the rare mass shooter would be inclined to not shoot up the place since a large number of people there would be armed.
The boss gets the guns. If the people are the boss, then they get the guns. The boss needs to be responsible in the use of guns. In particular, the boss' use of guns entails responsibility for any damage, injury, or death it causes.
If the people give up their guns, then they give up being boss; those who subsequently takes over that role will have the firepower to get their way.
The real question here is, will our country remain the land of the free and the home of the brave? Because if We the People aren't brave enough to remain the boss and keep our guns, we won't long remain free. It is really that simple.
Again and again, we hear the bleatings of so-called "leaders" who do not want to lead the US in an American Way. Our Constitution lays down bold lines, over which our government is not to step. Yet our leaders continue to counsel that we need to leap over those lines, in order to become like "other civilized countries." We need to be clear that the founders of our country most definitely wanted us to be different from other countries, whom they viewed as unfit models. Our Constitution challenges us to institute both domestic and foreign policies that differ markedly than what you'll find in old Europe, or those nations of the "New World" and Asia that are founded on (or have been remolded to resemble) the old models. The more we try to imitate or fall in line with the other nations, the more we catch and suffer from their ills. Central banks? Prohibition? Standing Armies? Passports, visas, and regimented, bureaucratic immigration control? Welfare State entitlements and mandates, such as Medicare and Obamacare? Politically controlled, tax-funded so-called "schools"? None of these or a hundred other "me too" things would be necessary, much less advisable, in a country that were serious about liberty. But our "leaders" are not about leading us to liberty; they are about herding us under firm control, practically as livestock.
Hey, you know what causes carnage that we really oughtta "do something" about? Drones do. Eh Obama?
". . . Save even one life." Then stop the senseless wars you are involved in, drone attacks, and repeal the " death panels" that we all know are. In Obama care. Barry! You are a pig. A populist pig. But you haven't read the Prince thoroughly enough. Because you are despised, hated and seen as a contemptuous moron.
Since guns kill people, and most who died at the DC Navy facility were killed by guns taken from the guards by the crazy guy, I think I can foresee Obama's ideal solution -- Disarm the guards! That will make such places TRULY gun free zones (except for the bad guys, of course).
Okay, maybe even Barack might be able to discern the problem with my "Obama" solution. So instead, how about arming the guards with single shot, small caliber pistols that are hard to reload. Yeah, THAT'LL work!
Ok, so all this says is that Soros' scriptwriters are getting lazy or just not sending their "best" material to O's teleprompter folks...
1,651 shooting victims THIS YEAR SO FAR, as of 9-20, in Obama's home town Chicago, the city that bans guns, but not a peep from the Obama about that.
Yeah gun control works.
"By now, though, it should be clear that the change we need will not come from Washington ... Change will come the only way it ever has come, and that's from the American people."
I absolutely agree! Clearly the Washington Zombies will never change, so we - the Murkunpipple - must (metaphorically, of course there, NSA!) put one in their brain pan to change this country. Strike the root!
Parenthetically, reading all your comments above has brightened my day! For a bunch of mouth-breathing, incestuous, tea-bagging, redneck, bible-thumping atheistic, libertarian wacko-birds, you folks make some pretty powerful arguments! Maybe we will win after all!