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Lindsey Graham Would Censor Your Snail Mail If He Felt It Was "Necessary"

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-Behind Enemy Lines) will do whatever he must to keep you safe. He'd even read your snail mail if he thought it'd help him catch terrorists. Yahoo!'s Chris Moody reports

"In World War II, the mentality of the public was that our whole way of life was at risk, we're all in. We censored the mail. When you wrote a letter overseas, it got censored. When a letter was written back from the battlefield to home, they looked at what was in the letter to make sure they were not tipping off the enemy," Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, told reporters on Capitol Hill. "If I thought censoring the mail was necessary, I would suggest it, but I don't think it is."

"The First Amendment right to speak is sacrosanct, but it has limits," Graham added. "In World War II, our population understood that what we say in letters could be used against [us by] our enemies. It was designed to protect us and ensure that we would have First Amendment rights because under the Japanese and Nazi regime, they weren't that big into the First Amendment. We don't need to censor the mail, but we do need to find out what the enemy's up to."

What Graham is (maybe) trying to say is that there's a precedent for the NSA's intrusion into the private lives of innocent American consumers. While that might not make sense–reading snail mail from the front and collecting metadata from millions of American right here at home are not similar at all–it does speak to Graham's paranoid belief that "the homeland is the battlefield."

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  1. The First Amendment right to speak is sacrosanct, but it has limits

    The First Amendment right to speak is sacrosanct…except it’s not. Thanks, Lindsey. Fuck you.

    1. I was gonna say. What a fucking illogical and disingenuous assface.

    2. Fucking Lindsay Graham would be gross.

      I’m for charging him with perjury on that Oath of Office he swore that he would uphold the Constitution.

      1. Sadly, he might be in the right as far as that goes.

        I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

  2. “The First Amendment right to speak is sacrosanct, but it has limits”

    I don’t think that word means what he thinks it means

    1. He heard someone else say it once and thought it sounded cool. Plus it’s multisyllabic, which means he sounds smart when he says it.

    2. sacrosanct:

      1. extremely sacred or inviolable.
      2. not to be entered or trespassed upon.
      3. above or beyond criticism, change, or interference.

      He really doesn’t know what comes out of his stupid pie-hole.

  3. DIAFLG

  4. If South Carolina does not primary this idiot next year I’m starting a petition to have the state nuked from orbit, because it would be proof that its residents are not smart enough to continue as part of the human race.

    1. South Carolina: Too small for a republic, too large for an insane asylum.

    2. I have South Carolina on my short list for getting the fuck out of MD.

      However, Lindsey Graham’s existence is tough to overlook.

    3. I met this contractor at work who is planning a run against Lindsey next time around. He does not actually have a chance in hell. His entire platform is passing the violence against women act – or something. He knows Lindsey and likes him. Personally, I would like to see Lindsey up against the proverbial wall with the rest of his ilk.

  5. “If I thought censoring the mail was necessary, I would suggest it, but I don’t think it is.”

    Examining certain anuses, on the other hand ….

  6. If the government ever raffles off the rights to execute one CongressCritter in an effort to pay off its debts, let’s all agree right here and right now to pool the Reason commentariat’s funds to buy this jackass a one-way, non-refundable ticket in Charon’s ferry. This asshole has never been right on any issue in all of his public career, and South Carolina can surely do better in replacing him.

    1. Fuck you, Schumer is at the top of that list and no one, not even this asshole, can knock him off that perch.

      1. Don’t forget Dick Durbin.

        1. Durbin is whom I thought of immmediately.

      2. So close, but Graham edges Schumer by one of his thinning hairs.

        Besides, Schumer spends too much time on tv to actually legislate, which is a good thing.

    2. I appreciate your point, but c’mon, you’d waste that opportunity on Graham when there’s Feinstein, Pelosi, and Reid?

      1. There’s no chance in hell that Feinstein, Pelosi, or the Manboob get replaced with someone better. I don’t hate Reid nearly as much as I despise this lispy metrosexual, and McCain is halfway to the grave anyways and I want to get some mileage out of politicide.

        1. You know who else executed political opponents?

          1. Everyone cool in history?

          2. He said “if”.

    3. He was right about the impeachment of Clinton. (Of course, you’ll disagree if you don’t have any objections to people with having sex with their subordinates in the workplace and then lying about it under oath.)

  7. “In World War II, our population understood that what we say in letters could be used against [us by] our enemies. It was designed to protect us and ensure that we would have First Amendment rights because under the Japanese and Nazi regime, they weren’t that big into the First Amendment. We don’t need to censor the mail, but we do need to find out what the enemy’s up to.”

    I’m pretty sure a large number of Congress members and bureaucrats would be the first to line up and collaborate with the Nazis and Japanese in Graham’s fantastical alternative version of history where conquest of the US was a feasible option for either Axis power.

    1. “In World War II, our population understood that what we say in letters could be used against [us by] our enemies.

      And what we say in person! THat’s why we rounded up those jap neighbors to be sure noone could say anything across the fence to one of ‘them’. Loose lips sink ships and all. I guess they call it the first amendment because it’s the first one to go in times of war.

    2. I’m pretty sure a large number of Congress members and bureaucrats would be the first to line up and collaborate with the Nazis and Japanese in Graham’s fantastical alternative version of history…

      Graham himself would have most likely gladly sold out to either one of them if it meant he could continue sucking air (and other things, NTTAWWT), and be placed in a position of power over his fellow countrymen.

      1. I do get this weird “comfort woman” vibe from the guy…

        1. I figure if he’d been around back then he probably would have been one of the biggest chearleaders for the forced internment of the Japanese.

          So much so that if the Germans had been able to take over, they probably would have put him in charge of the American “final solution.” Either him or Schumer; they both strike me as the type of shitbag who have no problem forcing their fellow humans into cattle cars in exchange for continueing to live a nice cozy life of luxory.

  8. In World War II you threw US citizens in prison for the crime of being ethnic Japanese you fucking twit. Die in a fire.

    1. FDR was in charge then. At least he wasn’t supported overwhelmingly by racist white southerners who supported Jim Crow.

      1. Except that he actually was…

          1. D’oh!

  9. So it is Lindsay Graham’s (R-Hades) contention that there was a serious threat of America being conquered by the Japanese and Nazis? When were we ever close to having our country taken over?

    Censoring the mail was a bigger threat to the ‘American way of life’ than the actual Nazis were, since there was no chance of them gaining control of the mainland U.S.

    1. When were we ever close to having our country taken over?

      During the War of 1812… and that’s pretty much the only time in American history.

      1. I guess the question is whether the Brits feel up to burning Washington to the ground again.

      2. Only if you leave out the take over by the ruling class and the corporatists.

    2. To be fair, he said that “the mentality of the public” was that their way of life was in danger, which was true, insofar as government propaganda had frightened large swaths of the populace into believing it was true.

  10. Is there a worse person in Congress right now than Lindsey Graham? I’m drawing a blank. Maybe Diane Feinstein. She seems to combine all the worst aspects of progressive douchebag with the security surveillance state fellating of a neo-con.

    Note Lindsey: even if scooping huge amounts of metadata was similar to censoring mail during WW2, we’re not facing an existential threat from TEH TERRISTS!!!11!!! They’re not going to invade, or attack Pearl Harbor anytime soon. At the moment the best they seem to be able to muster is the occasional lucky turd setting off a pressure cooker bomb or something of that sort. It ain’t exactly on the same level as the threat from Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan was.

    I highly recomment the Senator invest in some non-bunching panties, and maybe grow a pair while he’s at it.

    1. Lindsey Graham is a reasonable Republican unlike Rand Paul.

    2. Is there a worse person in Congress right now than Lindsey Graham?

      Chuck Schumer. Always Chuck Schumer.

      1. I guess I forgot about Moobs. Probably because I haven’t seen anything from him on this issue yet. I’m sure he’ll be piping up soon to remind us all what a mendacious cunt he is soon enough though.

      2. Al Franken.

  11. I thought we were fighting to protect our freedoms. Or something.

    1. Freedom isn’t free!

      Rights are sacrosanct except when they aren’t sez Lindsey Graham.

      1. Freedom isn’t free – quite literally apparently. And war is peace.

    2. We are — the freedom to do what the Lisped One wants.

  12. Graham is off his rocker. I’m ashamed to admit he’s my Senator. I didn’t vote for him and I’ll be sure to vote against him in the next election!

  13. it does speak to Graham’s paranoid belief that “the homeland is the battlefield.”

    Pat Benatar said “Love is a battlefield”

  14. In World War II – we declared fucking WAR.

    Show me who we have declared war on and we can debate censorship coming from that area. Until then, fuck off.

  15. World War II has nothing to do with anything about this issue.

    We are NOT in a middle of an actualy World War.

    Various cheerleaders of top down government directives are always invoking WW2 as an example of “national purpose” that they want to analogize as comparable to something they want.

    I recall hearing Warren Buffet invoke WW2 in reference to some of his economic notions of taxation, etc.

    1. Graham embodies the fundamental conservative narrative which is that WWII was the height of American Civilization. The era has been whitewashed of any semblence of reality and replaced with 40’s and 50’s Hollywood representations of the utopic American life. The nuclear family was intact, minorities knew their place, brave soldiers were valiantly fighting the bad guys and life was good.

      Every current issue is to be conflated to the rise of a new Reich and understood as a clash of civilizations unless “good men” act immediately.

      1. Every current issue is to be conflated to the rise of a new Reich and understood as a clash of civilizations unless “good men” act immediately.

        They were so close to the truth, and then whiffed.

  16. So… Graham wants to read my mail to make sure terrorists don’t read it? Sorry, I’m not quite following the logic here.

    1. If he doesn’t, you might tell the enemy secrets like “The U.S. government is spying on you.”

      Which is not news to Al Qaeda, but is probably shocking to a few Americans, who are the real enemy to people like Feinstein and Graham.

  17. When a letter was written back from the battlefield to home, they looked at what was in the letter to make sure they were not tipping off the enemy,”

    Lindsey thinks that US civilians are the enemy.

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