War on Terror

Eric Holder Acknowledges U.S. Killed Four Americans in Drone Strikes, Pentagon Asking for $450 Million for Gitmo; President Obama to Talk Targeted Killings, Closing Gitmo Tomorrow

Big counterterrorism speech expected from President Obama tomorrow

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next time same as the last?
White House

Barack Obama will speak at the National Defense University tomorrow, where's he's expected to address his counterterrorism policies, including targeted killings, the war on Al-Qaeda, and closing Guantanamo Bay.

The administration has now acknowledged killing four Americans in its targeted killing campaign, though only Anwar al-Awlaki, already widely reported to have been killed in a U.S. strike, was identified as being specifically targeted. In a letter to Congress, Attorney General Eric Holder also admitted the U.S. killed three other Americans in addition to al-Awlaki, including his teenage son, and another American, Jude Muhammad, in a drone strike in Pakistan, though none of those Americans were "specifically targeted."*

Prior to the election, Obama and his team pushed the idea that they had decimated Al-Qaeda and left its remnants on the run. The Justice Department's seizure of phone records from the AP suggests the source of a leak that contradicted that message in May 2012 (by providing the AP info about an alleged foiled Al-Qaeda plot) is now being aggressively sought out. Was revealing the plot a threat to national security or to the narrative of a defeated Al-Qaeda that presents no threat, as the government insisted even as it allegedly foiled a terror plot?

As for the detention facility in Gitmo, the president blames Congressional intransigence on his inability to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, and Democratic lawmakers agree. But what's Obama doing for his part? The AP reports the Obama administration is requesting upward of $450 million to spend on Gitmo, including $200 million for upgrades of the "temporary" facility. The prison at Guantanamo Bay was opened in January of 2002 and the president promised to close it, signing an executive order to that effect, more than four years ago. A now more than a hundred-day-old hunger strike by many of the prisoners at Gitmo helped push Obama to last month renew his promise to shut the facility down. The ACLU said then it "welcomed the president's continued commitment" to closing Gitmo. The Pentagon's budget request provides a price tag on the commitment to keeping it open.

But the reality probably won't prevent the president from giving a speech rich in the rhetoric of the rule of law and respect for human rights.

*Update: Edited based on text of Holder letter, to which a link has been added.

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  1. Gitmo? Really? This is their deflection plan?

    1. The tornadoes didn’t work!

      1. Ppppt. Everyone knows that ‘tornado’ was just a test-run of the Bush-Cheney Global Warming Doomsday Machine.

        *open your mind*, sheeple!

    2. I love how he’s acting like this is something that needs to happen now. But not FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO.

    3. Dude…they’re morons. What did you expect, questions about what the meaning of “is” is?

      1. One of the memes of the left that I’ve always found particularly amazing, after the reality-based community nonsense, is the idea that their politicians are intellectuals. I’m no supergenius, but I’m smarter than just about any of the politicians they label as brilliant.

        1. I fart in the general direction of anyone who claims Obama is some sort of intellectual.

          There is absolutely ZERO reason to believe this guy has some sort of above average mental acuity.

          1. but he’s so articulate. Unlike BOOOOSSSHH!

            1. Heh… Until he steps away from the teleprompter.

              -jcr

        2. Well, one of the primary reasons a particular kind of sheep joins TEAM BLUE is because they want to buy into the narrative that TEAM BLUE is composed of smart people. Then they all tell each other that, get a nice warm fuzzy groupthink going, and then get blindsided constantly when their politicians say bonecrushingly stupid shit. So they just deny reality and keep fantasizing that they’re smart.

          1. It’s not completely wrong, that old Greek maxim about wisdom beginning with knowing that you know nothing. No wonder that they killed Socrates.

            When you think you know everything, then you stop learning.

            1. The 6th Order of Ignorance: TEAM-Meta-Ignorance

            2. Both of THESE^^

          2. Obama not closing Gitmo, Rethugs fault for underfunding Gitmo. Or, something like that.

            So many layers of mendacity, they can shift from one to another when the current proves to be inconvenient for the time being.

          3. Fortunately, conservatives expect their politicians to say bone-crushingly stupid stuff, so they don’t get blind-sided.

            1. It’s always funny to watch liberals make fun of Republican politicians for saying stupid shit while conservatives admit the comment was indeed stupid, and then as soon as their guy says something dumb they immediately get defensive and act like conservatives are irrational for making fun of it.

              1. “and then as soon as their guy says something dumb they immediately get defensive and act like conservatives are irrational for making fun of it.”

                @#^*#($@ IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

        3. It started with Al Gore.

    4. If that doesn’t work, I hear they are planning on re-opening the JFK assassination investigation. Meetings will be convened in Area 51.

      1. Revealing the truth about UFOs and alien visitations would be one thing that actually could deflect attention.

        1. Then they should call me. I can reveal the truth of it right now.

  2. “Mr. President, you’re a Constitutional scholar. Has Lois Lerner really given up her Fifth Amendment rights?”

    1. 5th, 6th, whatever it takes!

    2. Is there actually a limit as to when you can invoke the 5th?

  3. Decimated literally means kill 10%. Why journalists use it all the time is beyond me.

    1. Hopefully, at the end of the day they will stop using it.

      1. They’ll stop using it momentarily.

      2. Critics say that they should stop using it, but there are others that argue it’s needed.

    2. Actually, that’s an older and less used meaning. The modern meaning of “destroy a lot of” has been in vogue for over a hundred years.

      Of course, it’s bad Latin to use it in the modern manner, so I’m with you, brother.

      1. Hey ProL, question for you. How important is knowledge of Latin to legal studies? I’ve heard there is a bit of a movement to eliminate a lot of the legalese so that it is more easily understood by non-lawyers.

        I start law school in the fall, but don’t have too much knowledge of Latin. Even working in a law office for the last 2 years, I find that most of it could be replaced with English, besides the terms that have already entered the modern English lexicon (pro bono, quid quo pro, etc.)

        1. You don’t need Latin to study the law. Most of the phrases you’ll either already know or figure out easily enough. It’s not all Latin, either. There’s some French, too. Like voir dire, en banc, force majeure, and even attorney.

          1. Oh very good, thank you.

            Did your son decide on a school? I know you said he was looking at my alma mater (haha, more Latin) UCF for their engineering program.

            1. Looks like USF. Incidentally, alma mater literally means “bountiful mother.”

              1. If he’s living on or around campus, make sure he gets a bicycle. That campus was not well designed in my opinion and everything seems to be rather spread out. And they are my hated rival in football, but good luck to him nonetheless!

                1. Yes, there’s going to be a series between them in football now, isn’t there? Good. I think their new coach should be good, though they screwed up in firing Leavitt, who I’m beginning to think wasn’t guilty of what they accused him of.

        2. I start law school in the fall

          TURN BACK!

        3. I graduated two years ago and didn’t need to know dick about latin. In fact one of my 1L professors openly mocked anybody who tried to work latin into class.

          1. That’s funny, because I had a professor who trashed the class for not knowing Latin. Old school. He also got pissed when only a couple of people knew who Banquo’s ghost was (I was one, so ha!).

            1. Well, Catholic priests used to have to know Latin, and they wear robes, and Supreme Court justices wear robes, so there is still a connection.

          2. I worked force majuere into a final.

            Afterwards, I didn’t know whether to be proud or ashamed.

      2. ” so I’m with you, brother”

        ah, I was with you until that part. The decimate people are the same ones who will tell you ain’t isn’t a word.

        1. Ain’t is a perfectly wonderful word. It’s in most dictionaries.

          1. It’s a perfectly cromulent word ProLib. Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

            1. I intentionally avoided that word.

            2. It’s a perfectly cromulent word ProLib. Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

              This looks exactly like an insult that Episiarch would use on Nicole. So does that make Hugh one of Epi’s sockpuppets, or Hugh one of Nicole’s sockpuppets, or are you all just actors in my own chaotic mind, like that retarded child in St. Elsewhere?

              1. No, dude…you’re the sockpuppet.

                Mind blown?

              2. The difference between Epi and I is that ProLib doesn’t have me incif’d.

                1. Well, Hugh, the correct grammar is “Epi and me”, and…yes he does.

                  1. Whether I do or do not is proprietary information of Pro Libertate, LLC. You will not speak of it again, or I will unleash the hounds.

    3. Some words are prettier than others. I decimated that case of syphilis, so no worries, baby.

    4. Journalists, as a group, are sophomoric. They know just enough to get stuff horrifically wrong.

  4. Unless the facts have changed, al-Awlaki’s son was killed two weeks after his father in an unrelated strike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A….._al-Awlaki

    Like McVeigh’s victims, I’m sure that the young man’s death was simply collateral damage in the WoT.

    So now that Holder has acknowledged the extrajudicial assassinations/murders of untried, unaccused American citizens, when can we expect the hearings to begin?

    1. Holder’s gonna be too busy trying Hillary Clinton for dereliction of duty leading to the death of subordinates and her role in the subsequent coverup.

      1. He has so much on his plate that he should probably just leave all these responsibilities to his subordinates.

        1. In a just world, Holder would be consulting with his attorneys about his own legal defense.

        2. Whether or not he does, you can be certain he knew and knows nothing about it.

  5. What a piece of shit. Watch as Obama finds some way to put Republican opposition in the way of closing Gitmo as a way to distract from what’s going on.

  6. The Justice Department’s seizure of phone records from the AP suggests the source of a leak that contradicted that message in May 2012 (by providing the AP info about an alleged foiled Al-Qaeda plot) is now being aggressively sought out. Was revealing the plot a threat to national security or to the narrative of a defeated Al-Qaeda that presents no threat

    They cared enough about that narrative to let Americans die. Why would they care about seizing phone records?

  7. The administration has now acknowledged killing four Americans in its targeted killing campaign

    “War” and “crimes.” In that order.

  8. As for the detention facility in Gitmo, the president blames Congressional intransigence on his inability to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, and Democratic lawmakers agree.

    It’s all the fault of teathuglicans. The party hacks will spread the talking point, and the sheeple will take it as Divinely inspired and inerrant.

    1. God loves the working man.
      Don’t trust Whitey.
      See a Dr. and get rid of it. – N.R. Johnson

    2. Actually, a large part of it would be the Republicans.

      Can you imagine what the warbonerhawks like McCain and Graham would say to a plan to close GITMO?

      1. IIRC – Obama supporting states such as NY & IL refused to house Gitmo prisoners for trial and therein lies the reason Gitmo will likely continue to stay open – where are you going to put them?

        Maybe they can move them from Gitmo into those secret rendition facilities – sure, it’s way worse morally and ethically, but if you’re Obama – none of your supporters believe you are doing that anyway – so it’s a win-win.

        As they surely won’t simply let them all go. Irregardless of it being the right or wrong thing to do, releasing all detainees would be entirely unpalatable to the vast majority of Americans and a great number of citizens and leaders in closely-allied countries.

        Therefore – cognitive dissonance to keep talking about closing Gitmo when no one has any better alternative which society would accept (for Obama – it’s deflection).

        It’s like taxes – everyone polled says they are entirely too high, but most cannot name anything they are actively willing to cut (present company excluded).

        1. “Earlier this morning, we discovered a massive concentration of suspected terrorists and destroyed it with a prolonged murderdrone campaign. Who would have guessed they were hiding on the south shore of Cuba?”

          /WH Spokesperson.

  9. They are openly admitting that four Americans have been killed? What do they have to gain from this? Or are they just that sure of themselves that they don’t care who knows anymore their disregard for due process and human rights?

    1. They are openly admitting that four Americans have been killed?

      Which makes one wonder how many actually have (been killed).

      1. Well, given the honesty and transparency of this government, I’d say some number greater than four, that doesn’t have a four in the digits or is a multiple of four.

        1. Well, given the honesty and transparency of this government, I’d say some number greater than four, that doesn’t have a four in the digits or is a multiple of four.

          And I was thinking they were using some kind of American Pie-esque “rule of three” (where 3 is adjusted upward every year, of course).

          1. Perhaps I’m being too harsh. I mean, they can’t lie all the time, right? Maybe they meant a number with four digits, like 6,000.

            1. 3 or 10,000, what difference, at this point, does it make?

    2. Spread the blame through overloading the scandals so the scene is so ugly those who are going after you get tarnished with the broad brush of public scrutiny as well. Remember the Clinton years? Who resigned in disgrace over Monica? It wasn’t Bill, it was Bob, and soon after Newt.

    3. I guess they’re not worried about someone convening a grand jury and indicting them for murder, for some reason.

  10. As for the detention facility in Gitmo, the president blames Congressional intransigence on his inability to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, and Democratic lawmakers agree.

    What a mendacious piece of shit. He never intended to close it. His plan was to move it to freaking Illinois.

  11. The comments on NPR regarding the IRS scandal have completely shattered the Derp Barrier and torn a hole in the Herp-Derp Continuum:

    IRS did not do anything wrong. In fact I want IRS to be more aggressive and catch crooks like Apple. Had [sic] IRS investigated Muslim non-profit organization [sic], no politician would have opposed..

    T-party should have no issue because she [sic] is used[sic] their favourite book ‘constitution.’ [sic]

    1. So, of course, it’s therefore perfectly legal for the next Republican administration to tax-sodomize the left. Okay, that makes sense.

      1. the next Republican administration

        in Derpland Uber Alles, there will never be such a thing again

        1. If they’d only stop thinking that, we might actually stop spiraling towards tyranny.

          1. “And how would you feel if Bush had done [x]?” is one of my favorite sentences when talking politics with left leaning friends.

      2. Untrue. You must understand the following:
        1) The Red Tribe’s war paint is RED while the Blue Tribe’s war paint is indeed BLUE.
        2) The Red Tribe’s mascot is an elephant while the Blue Tribe’s mascot is a donkey.
        3) BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!

        Therefore, the Blue Tribe is a superior species and is ALWAYS justified; if you are unable to see this then you are, by default, a member of the Red Tribe and will never be able to understand.

        QED

    2. They actually think the Constitution is a book? It’s a few pages, why don’t they read it?

      1. Dude, are you for realz?

        That stuff is like a hundred years old and stuff, no one like knows how to like read that stuff now and stuff.

  12. Was revealing the plot a threat to national security or to the narrative of a defeated Al-Qaeda that presents no threat, as the government insisted even as it allegedly foiled a terror plot.

    It took me three or four tries to figure this sentence out. Was it just me?

    1. Nope, that was edited by Lucy for sure.

  13. January 22, 2009
    Obama signs order to close Guantanamo Bay facility

    Promising to return America to the “moral high ground” in the war on terrorism, President Obama issued three executive orders Thursday to demonstrate a clean break from the Bush administration, including one requiring that the Guantanamo Bay detention facility be closed within a year.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI…..M:POLITICS

    Four years later, we’re still analyzing the effects of Barry’s closing of the controversial detention facility.

    1. I’d really like to see that clean break from the Bush administration. Remind me again why the left hated Bush?

      1. Driftwood summed this up already in the thread quite neatly.

    2. Obama closing Gitmo led to the Boston Bombing!

      1. No, no, no, you’re doing it wrong. It’s Bush’s fault for making Obama keep the facility open. That, and Bush actually planting the bombs in Boston.

        1. Sorry, I find it difficult to perform these sort of intellectual gymnastics.

          1. You need shithead as a personal trainer! He’s got it down pat!

  14. “President Obama to Talk […] Closing Gitmo Tomorrow”

    He “talked” closing Gitmo in 2008. He’s a sleazy liar.

  15. He’s closing Gitmo tomorrow? That’s some good news…

    Oh wait, he’s talking tomorrow about closing Gitmo, eventually…. Like he’s been talking about for the past 6 years.

  16. What is Obama and his supporters, or anyone, going to say when China or Russia starts drone-striking citizens they deem “threats” in other countries?

  17. Dude seems tro know whats up over there.

    http://www.Proxys4u.tk

  18. I just wrote my Congressman, who thankfully voted against the NDAA, demanding Articles of Impeachment against Obama.

    You should do the same. Now.

    http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

  19. Over the hill and thru the woods!

    http://www.AnonThis.tk

  20. Dear Sir:
    The Attorney General has now acknowledged the assassination of four American citizens, several of whom were innocent bystanders, in drone strikes. As the President personally approves each drone strike, he has clearly by his own admission participated in first degree murder, certainly a high crime or misdemeanor. I believe impeachment is in order. Please join the movement to impeach President Obama.
    Respectfully,

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