Boston in Lockdown as Police Hunt for Marathon Bombing Suspect

Police have converged on a fairly small area in Watertown, Massachusetts in a manhunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, one of the two brothers suspected in this week's marathon bombing. Dzhokhar's older brother Tamerlan was killed earlier in a shootout with police.
Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick has asked the city's residents to stay indoors, and NBC News is reporting that "Boston and its surburbs, universities and transit system were on total lockdown" this morning. NBC also reports that police are searching for a potential associate of the brothers.
A few more details via NBC about the lockdown, the manhunt, and the initial chase, which began late last night:
…The lockdown initially affected more than 300,000 people in Cambridge, Watertown, Newton, Brighton, Allston and Belmont, but by 8 a.m., the entire city of Boston was paralyzed, officials said.
…Tips about the identity of the suspects were still pouring in when the Tsarnaev brothers robbed a 7-Eleven then fatally shot MIT police officer Sean Collier, 26, in his vehicle at 10:20 p.m., law enforcement officials said.
The brothers -- of Chechen origin, but legal permanent residents of the U.S. who moved here a decade ago -- then carjacked a Mercedes SUV, holding the driver captive for a half-hour before letting him go at a gas station in Cambridge, sources said.
The suspects took off in the car toward Watertown, tossing explosive devices out the window, officials said.
TV news reports say that in the process of the carjacking, the brothers identified themselves as the pair behind the marathon bombing.
Update: Reason contributor Garrett Quinn is tweeting from Boston.
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I really hate the word "lockdown".
I really hate what it describes.
In a city like Boston, it describes citizens cowering in fear in their homes, praying that the gunman doesn't choose their home, rather than having the ability to have a chance at protecting yourself with a gun of any consequence.
Not to mention praying to Galt that when the cops do corner this guy and let fly with a hail of bullets, that you're not in the house behind him.
Were I in this part of Boston right now, I'd almost certainly be more afraid of being shot by pumped up cops (perhaps rightfully being that they have been in a chase all night and one cop was killed while just sitting there).
This is one of the very rare situations in which paramilitary type force is appropriate. The gunmen have been shooting and throwing bombs all over Boston for near 12 hours now. But I still don't trust a cop to use ANY kind of restraint, especially when the situation is tense, and there are a lot more amped up cops itching to avenge a brother in blue than there are mad gunmen running around right now.
"The gunmen have been shooting and throwing bombs all over Boston for near 12 hours now."
"all over"...huh?
Relatively speaking, yes.
I'm curious about something. After the massive shootout, how did one of the guys get in the Black SUV and just get away? Nobody followed him? No helicopter serveilance?
*surveillance
sheesh
Apparently he got away on foot.
And of course that he is the right guy...
this was the perfect example to present to a reflexive "that sounds reasonable" type of gun-control guy. he had to admit this is a scenario where he'd rather be armed.
It's voluntary, though, right? I mean, it's not magically illegal to walk outside now.
I'd probably comply if some potentially bomb-vested guy were walking around my neighborhood, especially if terrified cops were also walking around.
If anything it is a great excuse to get a day off work.
It's like a snow day with a terrorist instead of snow.
Let's go outside and build a terrorism man!
In Britian it's called Guy Fawkes day.
The police will shoot your eye out.
Are they terrorists? (Wife and I were debating this this AM?)
What, exactly, is required to be classified a terrorist?
Well, they didn't seem to be assassins, and seem intent on wreaking as much havoc as possible to civilian life, so I'd go with Occam's Razor on that one.
So was Lanza a terrorist, or just a nut-job?
I vote nutjob.
Terrorist is a comment on motives not methods. Since we don't know their motives, it's hard to say.
Fuck it, I'm calling them terrorists. What are they going to do, sue me?
No, but it matters. Or government, in its infinite wisdom, has decided to make punishments for killing people different depending on the motive. Different rules/punishments apply.
Without defining what terrorism is, can't the government label anyone a terrorist so they can operate under the loosened rules (Patriot Act...)? Is anyone who breaks the law by killing another a terrorist? Can he be sent to GTMO?
It's the same on the battlefield. What used to be called enemy soldiers, and entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions, are now terrorists and have no such protections.
It's disturbing how that word has changed our values.
What I call them and what their legal rights are would be two different things. Murdering innocent people and kids is evil. I've got even worse things I'd like to call them.
What used to be called enemy soldiers, and entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions, are now terrorists and have no such protections.
Isn't the situation in Afghanistan a little different than conventional wars though? Al Quaeda, and now the Taliban since being driven out of power, are not a conventional government opponent with uniformed armies. I don't think we've ever faced that before. Maybe the Viet-cong? Did we extend Geneva Convention protections to them? I honestly don't know if we did or not.
It was the same in Vietnam, although not to the same degree. Insurgents vs terrorists(?), maybe.
But the military has been discussing this since Sun Tzu and Clausewitz. The side more willing to fight "total war" (as opposed to limited war) will, in all likelihood, prevail. We incorporate this into our own military doctrine when we state, "we'll bring the full force of the US to bear against our enemies." We'll shut down their financial systems. We'll shut down their communications. We'll shut down their power grids. We'll disable their computers... War is not just fought with armies.
Terrorism is simply one step further down the "total war" path. It's a natural evolution in the face of a conventionally omnipotent foe.
I don't think we've ever faced that before. Maybe the Viet-cong? Did we extend Geneva Convention protections to them? I honestly don't know if we did or not.
Who is this "we" you speak of?
To be fair, terrorists are not covered by the Geneva Convention. This isn't semantics nor is it word play, "If we call them something else than the rules don't apply to us". No. Spies aren't covered by the Geneva Convention either. Only soldiers and non-combatant civilians.
Don't get me wrong. I am not a big fan of secret prisons are holding people forever without any evidence with no way to even appeal their case. It seems that governments want the best of both worlds when it comes to terrorists in that they can treat them as both common criminals and as members of an opposing army depending on whatever way they feel like.
Terrorist nutjob.
Anarchists? They're always blowing something up or starting World Wars.
I don't think this pair advocates self government.
The states have and always have had nasty amounts of police power. They really can shut the whole town down and say anyone on the streets after dark gets arrested or shot.
The difference is that they used to never use the power absent an enormous natural disaster. Now they use it all of the time.
I get that with an actual state of emergency, but what's the difference between this guy and an nutty armed guy of the more standard criminal type on the run?
That is my point. They used to only use those powers in a no kidding emergency. Now they use them all of the time. That is what is infuriating.
I haven't read much on this, but is it actually being ordered, or is it just a strong advisory? Like I said, I'd probably comply, just to avoid being shot (by the cops, of course, the likelihood of the terrorist being near me being small).
I don't know to be honest. But my guess if if you were wandering around Boston today and the police told you to get off the streets and you said no, they would arrest you on some bullshit "failing to obey the orders of a peace officer" or some such.
it's just an advisory AFAIK
From experience, even in a full blown emergency the power is abused. I grew up in the area hit hardest by Hurricane Andrew. There was a curfew of 7p (despite nightfall not happening until well past 8.30 or close to 9), but after 10 days of water damaged house, mold was taking over and it wasn't safe to be inside for long periods of time. Add to that it was significantly cooler outside in early September in South Florida.
I was in my own front yard when an amped up cop pulled up and pulled a shotgun on me from point blank range. I was almost arrested in my own fucking yard except that the friend who was with me had a fire chief father who talked them out of it. I about shit my pants.
Let government officials act without restraint or accountability, and that's what will happen. We're free by someone else's whim, now, not by choice.
When I turned on the news this morning, all I could think what a massive pearl-clutching over-reaction this is.
But the boys in blue have those fancy military toys and new-found powers, and they'll be damned if they can't use them.
How you write about cops so well? I think of a man and I take away reason and accountabliity.
I laughed
I would say that this is a "no kidding" emergency in the "small area" that they have him cornered, assuming that is something less than a couple of square miles.Like pro lib said, how is this any different from any other murderer on the run?
"I get that with an actual state of emergency, but what's the difference between this guy and an nutty armed guy of the more standard criminal type on the run?"
The particular nuttiness "this guy" is associated with tends to attract nuts that don't mind dying while taking out their victims and aren't particularly discriminating in their choices of targets. That and the fact they don't know if there is some other deranged plan to blow up things makes this situation quite a bit different from "the more standard criminal type on the run"
Yes, I was thinking that, too, but it still doesn't justify anything beyond, "You're idiots if you leave your houses right now."
It was Muslims, John, I only came here to say that...
But Muslims from Chechnya who had lived here for ten years. The Muslim part doesn't surprise me. The Chechen part does. But whoever they are, they are not aggrieved victims of an American bombing campaign. So the blowback theory turned out not to be true.
Well, the Chechen part, no one would have ever got that. Still, it was Muslims.
I still think it is blowback, but a different sort of blowback, being it was the Russians oppression of the Muslims in Chechnya that caused it, and they just took it out on the first convenient oppressor of Muslims around the world, which in this case, is us.
Then basically you think anything any Muslim does anywhere is blowback.
Umm...no. That's Chomskyian bullshit. What happened is that after the fall of the Soviet Union, Chechnya split into two factions, one that wanted to be part of the Russian Federation and one that wanted to be an independent Islamic emirate. Obviously, the Russians backed the faction that wanted to join the Federation. The independence faction had their bloody-thirsty, violent hissy fit, as Wahabists are wont to do. Thus, the Russian military had to get involved to keep them from raping and slaughtering schoolchildren, which to the Raimondos of the world, is unconscionable interference in the local customs of an "oppressed minority".
HM, you actually sound like Raimondo in this case, apologizing for Putin and all
Putin was in power in 1994?
Are you unaware of the ongoing conflict in the region?
I was discussing the origins of the 1st Chechen War. It wasn't Soviet-style "religious oppression".
As for Putin's actions during the 2nd war, of course they were heavy-handed and resulted in the indiscriminate death of many civilians. But, again, his actions weren't motivated by some Russian Orthodox holy-war as much as an attempt to use brutality to quash what Russia saw as a domestic uprising. Much like Sherman's March, in a way. I think we both know Raimondo's views on Gen. Sherman, yes?
Doesn't matter. The uncle is being interviewed now, and said that they aren't from Chechnya
He's using a technicality:
It's as silly as claiming al-Awlaki wasn't Yemeni, because he was born here while his dad was in graduate school.
Also, the other region that used to be a part of Chechnya is overwhelmingly occupied by Ingushes, not Chechnyans. The two groups are related, but not the same
To be clear, I'm not saying the Chechen rebels are a bunch of great guys or that an independent state would be an awesome place, but let's not gloss over the fact that many Chechens do not want to a part of Russia or the repressive actions taken by authoritarian Russian regimes to prevent them from leaving the Federation.
*be
Indeed. But why can't they take a page from Ghandi or King and engage in some non-violent civil disobedience for once?
"But why can't they take a page from Ghandi or King and engage in some non-violent civil disobedience for once?"
Rhetorical?
Yes.
Home grown immigrant Islamic terrorist. Everyone's going to spin this one into their personal hobby horse.
Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-chech it out
Wh-wh-wh-wh-what's it all about?
Makes me want to shout
Let's take this terrorist f---er out!
As far as I know it is voluntary. Which makes "lockdown" all the more inappropriate. Why not just say "the police have requested that people stay inside for safety and to avoid hampering the investigation".
"Lockdown" just sounds like something that happens in prison.
It's a prison term. These days, it's relevant anywhere in America.
Thank you. It's prison terminology. I'm happy to see this as the first comment to the article. I was thinking I was the only one.
I really hate the word "lockdown".
Seriously. Besides, it's a "terrorgasm."
"Terrorgasm"! I like that. May I use it?
On second thought,
maybe not.
TV news reports say that in the process of the carjacking, the brothers identified themselves as the pair behind the marathon bombing.
Wow are we fortunate in our enemies.
legal permanent residents of the U.S. who moved here a decade ago
This morning they were illegal immigrants who moved here last year.
I think they are LPR. How did they get radicalized? That is an interesting question. The US isn't involved in Chechnya. And these guys seemed to have been pretty normal people up until now. I would love to know what caused them to go nuts.
I'll bet they have a local beef that they are putting into a larger context.
The older guy seems to have struggled with community college. It wouldn't surprise me if the older guy thought his academic troubles were yet another result of the global anti-Chechen conspiracy.
That is probably a good guess. It would be funny to watch the media's reaction if it turned out that the steady diet of anti-American propaganda put out by various moonbat Boston college professors helped radicalize them.
So, he was "bullied"? No wonder he lashed out.
/sarc
Duh,their Moozlimz. It doesn't matter what their background, or nationality is. Everyone knows that the goal of every Moozlim is to kill all of us freedom loving great white satans.
Uh... yeah
Duh,their Moozlimz. It doesn't matter what their background, or nationality is. Everyone knows that the goal of every Moozlim is to kill all of us freedom loving great white satans.
Grain of salt. Former roommate or classmate from college said he visited Chechnya for a few months around Christmas. On Boston radio.
Russia is a large militarized nation that has brutally oppressed and murdered Muslims.
The US is a large militarized nation that has murdered and continues to murder Muslims all over the middle east.
There's a connection, I am sure, in their minds.
that or maybe, the US is where they live and thus the easiest place to hate and attack. And since when do we "oppress Muslims"? Last I looked our government bends over backwards to kiss Muslims asses.
It's a tough stance to have, John, to seriously argue that bombing people, oftentimes without having any clue as to who we're bombing, and killing innocent citizens while doing it isn't a form of oppression.
John, we, in the past, at least, have had some unkind words to the suggestion of many in the Muslim's world desire to slaughter world Jewry.
That is oppression on the order of Belgian Congo, don'tcha know?
Hyperion said that Russia oppresses Muslims, not the US. The US just murders them. We can debate if murder is the right word, but a lot of people definitely do see it that way.
Zeb, our accepted collateral damage of civilians, I am sure the victims families think of it as murder.
"Hyperion said that Russia oppresses Muslims, not the US"
Russia doesn't give a shit if Chechnya is filled with Muslims or Martians. Russian policy toward Chechnya is no more motivated by religion than it's policy toward Ossetia.
Read my comment again, John. I didn't say that the US oppresses Muslims, I said that we murder them, often by drone, often in other ways.
That is true.
And they often "murder" us. And you wonder why I say libertarians think it is our duty to die at the hands of Muslims to show how peaceful we are. I mean really.
If it is the case that it is totally understandable that two Muslims would kill Americans over Americans at war in Pakistan, how is it then that it is not completely understandable that Americans would want to kill Muslims in Afghanistan after Muslims there, with the help of the then government, killed 2800 Americans in cold blood?
Funny how only brown people are ever justified in defending themselves.
Whatever. Shikha Dalmia thinks they should get welfare and their relatives from Chechnya should have priority over other skilled immigrants.
These guys sound skilled. With a little polishing they could be productive in construction or security.
They certainly have balls. With some training they could have been good infantry.
They sound more like Engineers than Infantry.
Combat engineer, infantry? Not a lot of difference.
They teach these Infantry kids math these days? All that crap has changed so much since my day.
Sounds like affirmative action to me.
So, where'd the cosmotarian touch you, MonkeyAIDS?
God I wish they would cool it with the twitter-speed news updates if only to stop feeding the conspiracy theorists.
I generally support them since if anything, its a good exercise in questioning authority and government, but they've completely lost me after their Sandy Hook theories and the shit they're coming up with now.
What's their stance on gay marriage?
As long as the brothers were not married to each other, they are fine with it.
Wait, are you asking about the SSM industry or their religious pet causes.
Lockdown, eh? It doesn't really describe the full terms of the lockdown? So were people free to leave their houses? Did they stop highways? Set up checkpoints?
Regardless, I don't recognize lockdown.
What about Lockup? Donald SOutherland's finest.
Those on the left simply cannot help themselves. In the beginning they were almost certain it was an EVUL RETHUGLIKKKAN RAT BAGGING TEA FUCKER, now that it isn't, I've seen tweets that claimed if only there were background checks on "assault weapons" this couldn't have happened.
Because the AWB in MA wasn't enough. They can't have an "assault weapon" in MA at all. But a background check would have stopped them! Because, you know, no one ever gets a background check when buying a gun.
"assault weapons"
Nope. Those were target-shooting pressure cookers.
I have to admit that I'm a little curious why the entire Boston metro area is under lockdown. Other cities have had dangerous fugitives on the loose without shutting down the entire city. Are these guys are a lot more dangerous than the information in this story suggests? Or are Boston officials unable to walk and chew gum at the same time?
A heavily armed man walking around with explosives intent of going out in a blaze of glory. I'd say the answer to your question is "yes".
Yeah, I think the dead brother being found wearing a vest with explosives probably triggered all that.
Did he actually have a vest with explosives, or did he just say to the carjacking victim or people at the 7-11 that he had one? The reason I ask is that if he had an explosive vest, why the hell didn't he use a more sophisticated bomb than a bunch of Blue Dot and ball bearings in a pressure cooker?
That said, it's one nut with a gun and some shitty improvised grenades, not a squad of Marines. Look for the guy and shoot him if you see him. I like tarran's thought that the guy got wounded in the shootout and has bled out somewhere behind a backyard shed. Then again, you'd think they'd have found a blood trail by now.
Christ, what would L.A. do these days if the North Hollywood shootout happened today? They'd probably declare martial law from San Diego up through San Jose.
One of the news outlets mentioned a theory that there are more than just two.
Could be spur of the moment BS or a cause of a city-wide effort.
I work with a guy who is part of the county dog searching team.
Anyway, according to the police scanner he was listening to, police just tackled a ~60yo male with some sort of device. Bomb robot on the way. ??? Note, I did not hear this myself.
I'm listening to my own scanner on my smartphone - not hearing anything but the roads being shutdown.
It's called pants shitting.
More from the religion of peace.
SF'd link there, ABW
Well, that was embarrassing. Here's the link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....z2QuwKlYDy
I've never heard of anything like this in my lifetime anywhere ever. When this type of shit goes down oversees, do they ever do this? Am I simply ignorant?
Set your Wayback Machine to 1970s Italy.
See also Dawson's Field hijackings (video)
Or not-so-wayback to Bali, 2002 and 2005.
Just an appetizer.
They also evacuated UMass Dartmouth. If the local news is to be believed, the non-dead bomber had applied there, been accepted, and withdrew, but he may have returned to the campus some time this week.
At this point, the manhunt doesn't appear to be going well - I hear what I believe is the police helicopter orbiting the area, and I think they have lost the trail since they are just pumping in bodies to go house to house.
If only the local police had drones
Lots of questions, none of which will be answered.
Especially once the FBI covers their tracks.
I was watching the coverage around 3 am this morning. CNN had video of a suspect being arrested, and tossed in the back of a police car butt ass naked. At the time they were reporting that it could be the older brother, but since he's dead, that isn't the case.
Anyone hear anything about a third suspect?
A hostage, I believe.
He was in cuffs. It was reported that the police were the ones who stripped him down.
Yes, but they later said that he was a hostage and that they had released him.
Since it's Boston, the collateral damage from one or more neutron bombs would fall within acceptable parameters.
Better safe than sorry, you know.
Especially if ground zero is Harvard Yard.
Which is about a mile from here. Thanks.
Ignore them. They probably act like the letter 'r' is not silent.
Philistines.
I bet they've never even had Boston Brick Red.
Collateral damage. You will probably be the first nonlegitimate target the bomb kills.
I live slightly closer to Harvard than slumbrew does.
Doesn't that mean that the Marathon bombs were OK too?
No, only violence committed by the wise and benevolent members of our government is ever and always legitimate.
An unprecedented glimpse by law enforcement into residential activities. Why are few aside from sites like this questioning such an invasive strategy by law enforcement? As horrifying as the bombing was I find the total erasure of citizen rights at a whim also disturbing.
Were the "grenades" they were throwing legal or purchased over the internet?
I bet a background check would have stopped these guys.
All reasonable people agree to commonsense controls like background checks for pressure cooker sales and licensing their possession.
We should also consider similar controls on the delivery systems for such dual-purpose devices. The Marathon bombers would have been more easily detected without their backpack delivery systems.
I saw something somewhere about the police now lookjng for a third conspirator. As I mentioned earlier, it is possible these guys decided to go out in a blaze of glory in order to provide a diversion for another to escape or to distract from another attack. It would be prudent to avoid public venues in this case.
Really Suderman, in the middle of all this you decide to pull the alt-text from me?
Finally, someone brings up the important issue.
they later said that he was a hostage and that they had released him.
I hope they gave him a ten dollar target gift card as compensation for the inconvenience.
Part of me hopes the dead one was a radical Islamist anti-Semite, as he spent his last minutes on earth in a Jewish hospital. Would be a nice little tweak, since justice can't be fully served.
Lets hope the last thing he sees is a female nurse wearing a star of David an bear arms cutting his clothes off.
That's horrifying. I hope my last few moments aren't spent with a Zionist chimaera trying to rape me.
What if it's just Bar Rafaeli wearing furry mittens?
Much better.
I hope the terrorist spent his last few moments being raped by [insert name of unpopular, unattractive celebrity].
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