North Korea

North Korea Warns Diplomats It Can't Guarantee Their Safety in War, Missiles Moved East, Missile Defenses to Guam, People of Seoul Still Largely Unconcerned

White House says it wouldn't be surprising if North Korea conducted another test missile launch

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North Korea has told the foreign ministries of both Russia and the United Kingdom that it can no longer guarantee the safety of diplomats stationed in Pyongyang, part of a battery of war rhetoric coming from the totalitarian country in the last several weeks. Nevertheless, neither Russia nor the UK have any immediate plans to evacuate their embassies, although David Cameron, the British prime minister, said yesterday he was "very concerned" by North Korean missiles, which he suggested could make it to the United States or Europe, based apparently on what the North Korean government says.  

South Korea says the North is moving medium-range missiles to the Pacific shore of the country, and the United States announced plans to send a missile defense system to Guam. The White House press secretary, Jay Carney, said today it would not be a surprise if North Korea were to conduct new missile tests. The Obama Administration may even be looking at a strengthening of U.S.-China relations because of the mutual hassle North Korea presents. The BBC, meanwhile, reports that in Seoul, the South Korean capital, residents remain unimpressed by the North Korean threat, citing "security fatigue" and a prevailing opinion that North Korean saber rattling is intended to shore up bargaining chips in future negotiations for food or fuel.

While the West's response has so far been cautiously muted, the non-state actor Anonymous says it's been hacking the North Korean government's social networks (it has several), and in fact posted the picture to the right to the government's official flickr account. No response as yet from the regime to those actions.

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  1. Hans Blix, you’re breaking my balls….

    1. That, and “I’m so roneryyyyy….”

      Team America has made me Pavlov’s dog – hear/read North Korea, think “Hans BRIX – do you know how fucking BUSY I am?! I’m soooo roneryyyyy….”

    2. YOU ARE USERESS TO ME AREC BARDWIN!!!!!

    3. How do we know this whole charade is not a proxy move by the Chicoms and or Russia to further destabilize the dollar and US influence? Dik Dork Dum is just doing his masters bidding.
      The recent moves by the BRICS have me wondering about the timing of this whole affair.

  2. Everyone assumes that this asshole is not suicidal. I don’t think he is. But what if he is just a moron and grew up in such a bubble, he actually believes the NORKS can destroy the US? What if dad never let him in on the state secret that they are an impoverished shithole that wouldn’t last a week in a war with the South and the US?

    1. Then he is in for one RUDE awakening to reality.

    2. He was educated in the west. There’s no way he doesn’t realize how much more powerful the U.S. is than North Korea.

      1. So were a lot of people. Mao was educated in the West, Komani was educated in the West. So was Pol Pot. That doesn’t mean he knows anything, sadly.

        1. Mao died after a long life that included banging multiple beautiful teenage girls a week.

          Khomeni managed to also die of old age, leaving behind a state aparatt that survived the transition without a serious hiccup.

          Pol Pot managed to kill half the country before the Vietnamese invaded and he discovered American support wasn’t forthcoming.

          I would argue that he is the only one who miscalculated, and his miscalculation wasn’t a lowballing of American power. The other guys, by the twisted standards of dictators, did quite well.

          1. Mao was such a homicidal lunatic, at one point during the 60s the Soviets considered assassinating him because they were afraid he was going to start a world war.

            The point is that the fact that he visited Disney land a few times and traveled a bit, doesn’t necessarily means he knows anything.

            1. I’ll grant you that Mao was a total moron.

              This is a man who read the works of Adam Smith and John Stuart Mills. Apparently, the lesson he took away from these titans of freedom and economic liberalism was this: Since individuals have rights, SUPER INDIVIDUALS like Mao should have SUPER RIGHTS and be able to do whatever they want.

              I take it that he wasn’t a very good reader.

              1. Being a homicidal lunatic can affect your reading comprehension.

                1. They live in a world without ANY corrective feedback, since corrective feedback can result in the death of anyone unwise enough to offer it.

                  Think how deluded some of Obama’s statements are, and then imagine how bad it would be if his word were law.

              2. Not a good reader? He was more than that.

                He was a Dear Reader.

          2. “It’s good to be the People’s Helmsman.”

    3. I’m kind of wondering what it would be like if his regime fell and all the North Koreans found out.

      WHAT DO YOU MEAN we’re an impoverished shithole made fun of by everyone?!? We aren’t the leader of the UN!??!

      1. You mean Dear Leader really can’t play golf?

        1. Bite your tongue! Not only can he play golf, his hole in one on one hole bounced out, sailed through the air, crashed an illegal Yankee running dog drone and fell into another hole.

          1. “Aww man, I hate playing golf with your dad.”

            Kim Jong Un to Malia (or Sasha… I forget which one is older) Obama

          2. Adventures of Kim Jong Un part II

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPOD5f6wRw4

            Kim Jong Un vs PSY

      2. http://www.slate.com/articles/…..warfs.html

        Reminds me of this article. Remember when Christopher Hitchens was the only good writer at Slate, back when they still had one good writer? Well, he laid this gem of a line on us:

        Unlike previous racist dictatorships, the North Korean one has actually succeeded in producing a sort of new species. Starving and stunted dwarves, living in the dark, kept in perpetual ignorance and fear, brainwashed into the hatred of others, regimented and coerced and inculcated with a death cult: This horror show is in our future, and is so ghastly that our own darling leaders dare not face it and can only peep through their fingers at what is coming.

        1. That is just it, is Un like his father and in on the joke or is he one of the brain washed racist dwarfs? If he is the latter, this could end badly.

    4. What if he watched the remake of Red Dawn and thought the Norks could really pull that off?

  3. THIS IS SO AWESOME! Moar please, Norks. You can provide us endless entertainment.

    Oh, your threats are so SCARY! Stop! No more! Seoul may actually be worried, but this reminds me of Saddam Hussein before we kicked his ass the first time.

    Of course, if the US gummint is dumb enough to take the bait – AGAIN – well, we’ll all pay for that.

    But till then – threaten on, Pyongyang!

    1. I don’t think they could get a nuke on a missile. But imagine if they lobbed a few conventional missiles at Hawaii or Alaska. Enough to do some damage. Think how pissed people were after 9-11. It would solve the world’s North Korea problem very quickly.

      1. I can’t imagine that they could target their missiles terribly precisely. Alaska is by far the nearest target, and odds are that if they hit Alaska, no one would notice.

        1. They can target them well enough to hit Anchorage, just not exactly where in Anchorage.

          1. Pyongyang to Anchorage is 3750.6 miles, more than double the range of their best missiles.

            Maybe they could hit the Aleutians.

            1. Poor Unalaska. I wanted to visit there so badly.

            2. The newest version of their IRBM is thought to have just enough range to maybe hit Anderson AFB, on Guam. Hawaii is still a ways away.

              The pisser is that it’s still cheaper to pay the little maggot off, than it is to have him completely lose his mind and start shelling northern Seoul. You won’t have millions dead, but you’ll probably have a few thousand, with hundreds of millions in property damage. This isn’t even counting the damage if one of their nukes goes astray.

        2. Won’t someone think of the Caribou?

      2. You don’t need an ICBM to have a nuke go off in your enemy’s country, though it does make it a lot more likely that the damned thing will get there. My guess is that the first you’ll know of a NK nuclear attack will be when a house—and all the houses within a mile of it—in D.C, Seoul, or Chicago disappears. Or a shipping container in the Port of Long Beach. Or a suicide ocean capable mini-sub, like the two that went missing in NK a few days ago. I really hope the NNSA has figured out that whole remote sensing thing for nuclear material.

        One thing that a NK IRBM would be good for, is lobbing a large device over Japan. Not to kill anybody, just wreck a few hundred billions worth of electrical machinery and data. You can use a small A-bomb do that; it just won’t have that high of an electrical field, nor extend very far. It’ll get worse when they figure out how to make a fission-fusion device.

    2. From what I hear, Seoul’s reaction is basically like “No shit, it’s Tuesday already? Where did the week go?”

    3. “It will be nine-ereven times 2356.”

      1. I don’t even know what that is!

  4. Kim Jong Un has gone so far beyond what a bunch of dirt farmers in Pakistan have done, why is there not a train of drones raining missiles on Pyongyang?

    1. If he was doing to South Korea what the Taliban is doing to Afghanistan, he would be.

    2. Because Seoul would take alot of damage before the North was destroyed.

      1. Then Seoul better start making plans to defend itself. If the Norks do the ridiculously stupid and attack the US, the US should not pussy out just because Seoul is being held hostage.

        1. We won’t do that. If they attack us, they are going down in a big hurry.

          1. So, like you always bring up in the Middle East threads, aren’t we just offering them a free attack before we retaliate?

            1. It would be nice if you would at leas try to read my posts. That is not what I say at all. We are justified in waging war against the Taliban in Pakistan because they are waging war against us in Afghanistan. I have never made the case for preemptive self defense. I don’t know where you got the idea I was.

              So use your analogy, if North Korea starts actively waging war against South Korea the way the Taliban is doing so against Afghanistan, yes we should bomb them. But they are not doing that so far.

              1. I read your posts, much to my dismay. Every time people start talking about pulling out of the Middle East you start crying doom and gloom about the imminent nuclear detonation on US soil that would happen shortly after. Your words, almost exactly, are always “free attack on us.”

                With North Korea, take them seriously or not, we have actual threats by an actual regime with actual nukes. If they should be ignored, why not the same with the Middle East? If the Middle East is a dire threat, why isn’t North Korea?

                1. Every time people start talking about pulling out of the Middle East you start crying doom and gloom about the imminent nuclear detonation on US soil that would happen shortly after. Your words, almost exactly, are always “free attack on us.”

                  I can’t argue with the voices in your head. All I can do is make the same arguments I have always made. I can’t make you read them or understand them.

                  With North Korea, take them seriously or not, we have actual threats by an actual regime with actual nukes.

                  Sure. And in a perfect world, we would not risk them nuking us. But we don’t live in a perfect world. We live in a world were attacking North Korea would result in the death of millions of South Koreans. So therefore, we are better off not attacking them and assuming some risk.

                  In contrast, if we were able to attack North Korea without them killing millions of South Koreans, doing that might be the right thing to do. But since we can’t, all we can do is ignore them and rely on deterrence.

                  1. I read your posts, much to my dismay.

                    You ‘read’ our posts in the same way that Tony does. Words go in, lights don’t come on.

                    1. You ‘read’ our posts in the same way that Tony does. Words go in, lights don’t come on.

                      You took John’s dick out of your mouth long enough to post that? Did you at least finish him off first?

                    2. Thanks for helping make my point.

                    3. Words go in, lights don’t come on.

                      That’s it. I don’t agree with your idiocy is exactly the same as my not getting your point. Good call.

              2. We are justified in waging war against the Taliban in Pakistan because they are waging war against us in Afghanistan.

                Then the Taliban is justified in waging war against us in Afghanistan since we waged war against them in Afghanistan… correct?

        2. Well sure, if they actually attack. But so far it’s just alot of bluster.

          1. Bluster that has now gone beyond the lunatics in the Middle East who are currently being drone bombed.

            The Taliban has threatened the US and really has no means to carry out and kind of serious attack, better drone them to bit.

            North Korea has claimed “WAR ON!”, lined up their missiles, and threatened to attack the US, let’s just see what they do next.

            1. But the Norks have nukes, and old MiGs. And 1950s weapons technology. Taliban had none of those.

              1. Taliban had none of those.

                Which makes our war on them all the more immoral.

            2. Al Quada and the Taliban are both waging war against Afghanistan. That is the difference.

              1. Al Quada and the Taliban are both waging war against Afghanistan. That is the difference.

                Tell me again why in the world I should give a fuck about this and why it’s worth a single American life.

                1. Maybe you shouldn’t sloopy/. That is a different debate. But spare me the “oh they are just poor dirt farmers” bullshit. They are not. I always hear about how we should get out of Afghanistan. Well, maybe the Taliban and Pakistan need the same advice.

                  1. Well, maybe the Taliban and Pakistan need the same advice.

                    You mean the Taliban that is comprised of Afghans? And the Pakistanis that live right next door?

                    And on top of that, why is it us that should be giving them that fucking “advice” by way of Hellfire missiles in the first place?

                    1. I mean the Taliban that is a bunch of lunatics who have been terrorizing and oppressing the shit out of Afghanistan for going on 20 years now. You know the one that is fighting a war against the government of Afghanistan doing things like chopping women’s noses off and setting people on fire and such. That Taliban.

                      Yeah, perhaps if they were not using Pakistan to wage an aggressive war of conquest, we wouldn’t be drone striking them. Maybe if there not intent on murdering and oppressing an entire country, life would be a little easier for them.

                      How you find these assholes sympathetic is fucking beyond me.

                    2. I mean the Taliban that is a bunch of lunatics who have been terrorizing and oppressing the shit out of Afghanistan for going on 20 years now. You know the one that is fighting a war against the government of Afghanistan doing things like chopping women’s noses off and setting people on fire and such. That Taliban.

                      What does that have to do with American soldiers again?

                      Yeah, perhaps if they were not using Pakistan to wage an aggressive war of conquest, we wouldn’t be drone striking them. Maybe if there not intent on murdering and oppressing an entire country, life would be a little easier for them.

                      An aggressive war of conquest against who, exactly? Not America.

                      How you find these assholes sympathetic is fucking beyond me.

                      I find them repulsive, but that doesn’t mean we should be killing them in the name of “national defense”. It’s bullshit. It’s against the American ideal. And it’s probably unconstitutional.

                    3. All that matters is ‘is it necessary for ensuring the rights of American citizens’. Your blubbering about BORWN BABIEZ and lies about the Taliban’s total inability to attack America do not an argument make. They just showcase your perverse moral inversion.

                    4. All that matters is ‘is it necessary for ensuring the rights of American citizens’.

                      Agreed. And if you believe our murderdrone campaign is the least bit necessary, then you are even more fucking retarded than I first thought.

                      Well, either that or you’re a bloodthirsty piece of shit that just wants to see dead children because it gives you a rock-hard erection.

                    5. And if you believe our murderdrone campaign is the least bit necessary, then you are even more fucking retarded than I first thought.

                      You have had dozens of opportunities to make the case that it isn’t and you’ve failed everytime because all you have is WARBONERZ. You’re Tony.

                    6. You have had dozens of opportunities to make the case that it isn’t and you’ve failed everytime because all you have is WARBONERZ. You’re Tony.

                      Yes, I’ve had several opportunities to prove a negative, and until then your positive assertion stands.

                      Fucking retard.

                    7. You have had dozens of opportunities to make the case that it isn’t

                      Thanks for proving my point.

                    8. Oh look, Cyto is here to call people Tony for not agreeing with him and John that we should be droning anything the president (who on any other topic is a simpering buffoon) deems an “enemy combatant”.

                  2. The Afghan Taliban are indigenous.

                    If the Pashtun people and others don’t their society to be an authoritarian Islamist shithole, I’m more than happy to sell arms to them, but I’m sick of seeing my money spend and countrymen’s blood split for an ignorant and ungrateful Afghan populace.

                    1. I agree with HM, but sometimes you get the idea from libertarians that the people we target with our military aren’t 100% deserving of a good drone strike. Most of them are.

                      We should be out of Afghanistan, but that doesn’t make the people we’re fighting there noble or deserving of sympathy anymore than the Vietcong and N Vietnam were deserving of sympathy.

                    2. but that doesn’t make the people we’re fighting there noble or deserving of sympathy anymore than the Vietcong and N Vietnam were deserving of sympathy

                      No kidding. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who sympathizes with them or thinks they’re great people. The Middle Eastern desert is a giant shithole full of barbarians. But that doesn’t mean we have any business playing in that sandbox.

                    3. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who sympathizes with them or thinks they’re great people

                      Hard pressed? It took me all of 1.5 seconds to type “antiwar.com” into my browser’s address bar.

                    4. It took me all of 1.5 seconds to type “antiwar.com” into my browser’s address bar.

                      Best I can tell, antiwar.com is not part of Reason Hit & Run.

                    5. Agreed 100% Sparky, but I’d second HM’s suggestion to check out antiwar.com or Rockwell if you don’t think there’s a significant cohort of libertarians who feel otherwise.

                  3. Maybe they should. But it’s none of our damn business if they don’t.

                    That is unless Afghanistan is the 58th state.

    3. Who are you to question the wisdom of Barack H. Obama?
      Barrack Hussein Obama, President of the United States, vanquisher of Clintons, trampler of Romney and Emperor of all media! Praise him!

      1. You left out Great Nobelist and Scientist in Chief! Report to the re-education camps at once.

      2. Barack Obama should face off against Kim Jong Un in a 1 on 1 break dancing contest.

        1. Winner takes Taiwan.

          1. Winner takes Taiwan ultimate reality-distortion field generator.

            1. On problem: they both already have an ultimate reality-distortion field generator. How else to explin any of the shit that has come out of Kim Jong-Un WRT his threats against us, or any of the shit that has come out of Obama’s mouth WRT gun control?

    4. I’m pretty sure it has something to do with China.

  5. although David Cameron, the British prime minister, said yesterday he was “very concerned” by North Korean missiles, which he suggested could make it to the United States or Europe,

    Well, it’s not for nothing the idiot is getting his lunch ate by UKIP.

  6. Maybe shithead has brayed so loudly and for so long that he has no idea how to back out at this point.

  7. This all sounds more like your typical C-movie plot and I see the U.S. is playing along nicely.

    1. “We’re taking is seriously here in Austin, TX…”

      Of course you are….

      1. It’s like a SyFy Saturday movie, Nork Nuke versus Mansquito (spoiler: mansquito wins)

        1. That comes on right after Mega Python vs Gatoroid, right?

  8. I speculated late in a thread earlier this week that the regime may intend for the US to permanently take care of their starving, possibly disloyal populace for them. Take the hardcore loyalists underground (who will be told “See? See the Yankee aggression?”) and let the rest die in the retaliatory strikes.

    It’s hard to tell with NK. If they are bluffing for more money or food, I’d kind of hope they’d, you know, present a list of demands or something by now. Scaring off diplomatic personnel is a big step. Miscalculating your armed forces relative to other countries’, along with their intentions, resolve, etc. has all too frequently been a way to stumble into war.

    1. Why would he figure the US would bomb the prison camps instead of the underground bunkers?

      Wouldn’t that be… even dumber then we realistically are? I mean I know we’re dumb, but we ain’t that dumb.

      1. Prison camps? The preferred term is “Greater Pyongyang Metropolitan Area”.

        NK has built a lot of very, very deep shelters. Deep enough to keep from being destroyed by deep penetrating missiles? The NKs might think so, which would be bad for everybody. Would the US be prepared to set off lots of ground-level or just underground nukes upwind of S Korea and Japan?

        The danger in all this is the N Koreans bluffing themselves, over-estimating their capabilities, believing their own “Yankee paper-tiger” rhetoric. Nations miscalculate. Hitler, for example, really didn’t think Britain and France would declare war over Poland.

        1. ^^THIS^^

          Everyone assumes that this stupid bastard is both rational and won’t fuck up. I see nothing in his history that gives me any confidence of that.

          1. But do those people also realize that Hitler would have defeated both of them if he hadn’t have invaded Russia?*

            *Or if Italy could have taken care of Greece in a timely manner, freeing up the Wehrmacht to get to the Caspian Sea before the rainy season.

            1. But do those people also realize that Hitler would have defeated both of them if he hadn’t have invaded Russia?

              This. For fucks sake, a section of France joined the Nazis.

            2. Of course Hitler did invade Russia because he thought they were an easy mark. So yeah, he did a lot of miscalculating.

              1. Russia was a sitting duck. A road apple. And then Mussolini had to get all butthurt that Hitler was showing him up and he invaded Greece, much to Hitler’s dismay. The Germans had to put the Russian advance on hold until he went in and mopped up Greece so Mussolini could save face with his people, pushing the invasion into the rainy season.

                His only miscalculation there was in the timing…and it wasn’t as much a miscalculation as it was loyalty to his ally that caused him to lose.

              2. We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.-Adolf Hitler

                Yeah not so much…

          2. Yeah, alot of people thought Obama knew what he was doing too.

          3. It’s not that I assume they won’t fuck up. It’s beyond our control.

            If they fuck up, we level them. It might be for the best, really, if they start a war.

            These goofball dictatorships always look more imposing on paper than they are in reality. We ought to know by now that communism doesn’t work and North Korea is not what it pretends to be. Every communist shithole ever looked mighty right until it collapsed, and then turned out to be entirely Potemkin.

            “They have eleventy-bazillion tanks and everyone in the country is a soldier!”

            Yeah, but most of the tanks don’t run, the spare parts were stolen and sold for vodka and potatos, the military are mostly all conscripts with no desire to fight, take more real warfighters than they are worth to babysit them. Ask any volunteer army if they want conscripts back – hell no. More harm than help.

            Remember, Iraq was considered a military power. We killed so many so quick we started to worry it would look bad in the first gulf war.

            It was, in both wars we were told, full of crazy fanatical kamikaze jihadists who wanted to die in battle and go to Allah. Outside of a few elite units, most of them surrendered without seeing combat.

            1. Yeah people have always bought into the bullshit propaganda that totalitarian regimes make Ubermensch soldaten.

              It’s not true, and never has been. Going back to Xerxes invading Greece, free men make better soldiers then slaves.

              1. Going back to Xerxes invading Greece, free men make better soldiers then slaves

                Heh. One of my favorite lines from 300: “You have many slaves, Xerxes, but few warriors. It won’t be long before they fear my spears more than your whips.”

                1. I’m considering getting a MOLON LABE tattoo. But it would clearly mark me as a dangerous rightwing terrorist.

              2. You have to define ‘slaves’ for your example to hold up. As opposing points, I’d bring up the German Army and the IJA. The IJA had abysmal logistical support and poor strategic leadership and understanding of combined arms doctrine, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with their soldiers. I forget who was doing the statistical modeling and war-gaming analysis—Trevor DuPuy rings a bell—but his findings were that a given Wehrmacht unit had about 40 percent more combat effectiveness than the same sized US unit. I don’t remember how much that waxed or waned as the war went on, or at what time period in the war he was talking about.

                So, totalitarianism had nothing to do with how effective of a soldier the average German or Japanese was. It did prevent the economic power needed to lavishly equip and supply those soldiers according to US norms though.

                All that said, my opinion on the DPRK army mirrors that of the comments BrettL has been making the last few days: that the DPRK readiness and effectiveness might be grossly exaggerated. I think they’ll be disciplined, right up until they start receiving fire and have their communications and control cut. Then? Who knows? The standing joke is that the DPRK would have an army only until they actually got to Seoul and saw all of the food and goodies of a Western society.

                I hope we don’t find out.

              3. Eh. I’d be willing to try either Hitler’s or the Kaiser’s conscripted Wehrmacht against any free army in history?given equal sizes, equal materiel support, and the generals being allowed to make the decisions.

                But then again, the Germans were the people who came closest to making Stalinist Communism work. Even with paranoid Russian interference and leeching, East Germany managed to do better than anyone else in the Bloc.

    2. Take the hardcore loyalists underground (who will be told “See? See the Yankee aggression?”) and let the rest die in the retaliatory strikes.

      Are they planning on staying underground forever? They’re not going to be in charge anymore when they try to resurface.

  9. So I bet Kim Jong the Younger is in to 7 Up because….IT’S THE UN-COLA!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Try the chicken fingers dog meat flied lice, I’ll be here all week!

  10. What is the most depressing is the attitude of our ‘leadership’ in the face of this idiocy

    Much like the ‘Apologies’ to Pakistan for the Innocence of Muslims video, or the admins waffling on Syria for 2 years, this ‘measured, cautious, muted’ reaction to the hysterical shrieks of the NORKs is completely wrongheaded, and actually encourages NK through passivity.

    The correct response is to laugh at them. Taking them seriously is giving them too much credit. They should show people in Hawaii surfing and sunbathing and dancing at Luaus, with a voice over saying, “The people of Hawaii are cowering in their bunkers in fear of a potential North Korean nuclear strike…”

    1. The eating of the birds has been postponed until Wednesday due to war with North Korea.

      1. Jesus, for real?!

        Dang.

        I hope I can find a cup of snow and a place to sleep among the poor, the lonely, the cold and the homosexual at the train station.

        1. Oh yeah, well, I am awaiting heroin!

          1. The heroin line is always the longest…

            I sure could go for some People’s coffee while I wait.

            1. Well what are you waiting for? You have your plastic cup don’t you? Scoop up some snow and pretend it’s coffee!

        1. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That’s fucking hilarious!

          I suppose it makes sense that their state propoganda would have to make their people here believe that life everywhere is at least as shitty if not more so than it is there. If they knew how shitty their lives were, the NK leaders would be swinging from lampposts.

  11. Read an article today that claimed the current Nork braying isn’t for our benefit but for beijing.

    Lately China has been inching away from NorK and people are getting sick of the bullshit, and calling for decreasing aid and support. Soooo…

    What NK does is ramp up the rhetoric, practically begging for strengthened relations between the US and asian nations not china or NK, and an increased US military presence. Thus throwing China back into the arms of NK. The evidence of this was that some state media in china that called out NK have been sacked and the rhetoric in China has quieted down considerably.

    If we had anyone else as president, I’d laugh at someone claiming that Kim is playing chess to the POTUS’s checkers, but Obama seems to have an endless supply of stupidity.

    1. That’s entirely possible. Most Chinese probably regard N Korea as being like that uncle who gets drunker and more racist as the family reunion goes on.

      1. From what I’ve read in the past that is the man on the street view of NK in china; you can get clues to what is going on between the two nations by how much of that view is allowed to surface. Recently this sentiment was all over the place, but even more recently it’s getting sparse.

        One thing to consider about NK is that the leader’s legitimacy is derived from the lie that NK is a strong and independent country. There is a lot of worry in the party that the illusion will be shattered and they’ll end up like Quadaffie et al. Which explains a measure of the bellicosity.

        Also, when they’ve been good in the past they get nothing but ‘talks’, acting out brings aid. I bet in a month or two there will be some trilateral talks and there will be a new round of aid.

        Or kim’s actually batshit cray and is really gonna bomb Alaska. I’d say the chances for this are near nil. People in power, especially absolute power, are loathe to give that up and the NK generals know for a fact that any overt aggression will be met with annihilation. The upper party member sure as hell know this as well.

        1. I think that it is finally dawning on most people in the West that giving the Kim Dynasty aid is futile.

          The best thing to do with the NK government is to refuse to respond, no matter what they say, while making it plain that, if they attack anybody, it will be the NK government and not the people who will be the targets.

    2. That is possible. But that further antagonizes China. The last thing China wants is South Korea and Japan running into the arms of the US.

      1. Kim’s gonna need to take the risk that China will look at a stronger SK-Amer-Japan alliance and have no choice to re-embrace NK to keep the power hungry away. It could go either way, but in international nuclear diplomacy you don’t get shit without rolling the dice, especially from a position as weak as NKs.

        Right now, Kim is hanging on by a thread and the generals are chomping at the bit to show some weakness in him so that they can get a measure of his power and legitimacy. He’s gonna have to buck for a bit.

        1. I think all of this is a sign of his weakness. I think he is either going to no shit attack or the military and the Chinese will grow tired of him and he will end up with a bullet in his head in a shallow grave somewhere.

          1. They still need him, to a degree. They’ve been selling the infallibility of the Kims for so long he can’t gotten rid of quite yet.

            I think he’ll (if he isn’t already) become NK’s version of Ahmadinejad, a face for the proles and a guy to say crazy stuff at the UN, but lacking in any real power.

            1. That or maybe you shoot him, start to open the place up a bit and blame him for all of the problems. Everything was great until Dear Leader died and his evil son took over.

              1. That’s assuming that any of the high party officials or generals want to open things up. Life for them is great and can only go to shit with a freer population.

              2. Actually, there’s no reason he can’t take a bullet to the head and still be the face of the govt. Like Big Brother or the “Leader” in Sleeper.

            2. The thing is, Ahminejad knows his place in the power structure and has apparently accepted it. Not sure that KJU does, or ever will in that scenario.

          2. Based upon China’s top six trade partners list, I think China would look to a stronger SK-Amer-Japan partnership and want in on it. North Korea doesn’t stand a chance on earth. It already accepted the condemnation of NK at the UN. If NK attacks, we will know that they are truly suicidal or extremely delusional.

            Why on earth would China sabotage a good thing just because their crazy little brother wants to murder their best business associates?

  12. It’s hard not to like the hacking of Lil Kim’s picture, but I got to admit to some sympathy for the (former) director of IT and his/her family. Dogmeat.

    1. It would be even better if they posted fake gay porn starring Kim Jong Un. I doubt most North Koreans know what Photoshop is.

  13. I know how the people of Seoul must feel. As a matter of fact, I’ve felt exactly the same way they do ever since 9/11.

    1. Serious question: why does that have you concerned? Barring the existence of the largest rubber-band n the world, NorKo doesn’t have a delivery system to get a nuke to the US.

      1. You don’t have to get it to the US, you just have to get it about 200 miles in the air.

        If I were China, Russia, Iran, etc. I would have already refit a civilian jet airliner to carry a small nuclear payload .

        1. Oh, I see your point now.

          That said, if a NorKo civilian airliner got so much as within 1000 miles of the US, it would end up in the Pacific.

          1. I doubt the plane’s livery will include “North Korea” in neon paint.

            Nevertheless, looking at Air Koryo’s destinations, I would assume that some of their planes fly the Polar route.

            1. So we shoot them down somewhere over Quebec instead. I call that a win-win.

        2. I don’t there are too many civilian airliners that fly at 200 miles, so we should OK.

      2. They have demonstrated the ability to put small payloads into LEO (very low) which is probably all that would be needed for an EMP attack.

        1. Indeed. Though my point was more, “Gee, wouldn’t it have been nice if some of that stimulus money went into hardening our infrastructure against an EMP instead of building the 1,000,000th public park located in the ghetto and named after a corrupt politician?

          1. Hardening infrastructure against EMP would be incredibly expensive.

      3. I had a long talk a while back with some guys for DOE about EMP. They made a couple of points.

        First, to get a real nightmare scenario, you would need a fusion bomb of around 10 MT. No one but the Russians have such a thing. A 15 KT or so fission bomb is not going to have anywhere near the effect.

        Two, even if you had a fusion weapon, you would have to detonate it over the middle of the country at about 200 miles up. That would require missiles no one but the Russians and Chinese have.

        Three, no one is really sure what the full effect of it would be. Chances are it would not knock out near as much stuff as we think.

        The most realistic worst case scenario is a 15 KT bomb going off over say the NE corridor. That would probably knock out power and such from about say Hartford to Washington DC and inland to Philly. Bad. But not that bad.

        1. The most realistic worst case scenario is a 15 KT bomb going off over say the NE corridor. That would probably knock out power and such from about say Hartford to Washington DC and inland to Philly. Bad. But not that bad.

          Maybe not bad for you down in Texas, but that would suck for me. Could you imagine the rioting and looting?

          1. I am not in Texas. It would suck for me too. Although, I have a car made in 1966. I could take the gas out of my other cars and drive out of here.

            And yeah there would be some looting. But the Army and the NG would in all over the place very quickly. Aid would come. It would suck. But it wouldn’t be the nightmare of losing the whole country and having no aid to come from anywhere.

          2. You mean like we had in 2003?

        2. I saw some doom and gloomers on youtube talking about EMP and how NK was gonna fuck us up with it.

          So I looked into it, and found nearly the identical info that John just posted.

          Shoulda just waited.

          1. If he destroys their X-Boxes a generation of young americans will rise up and smite him. Slackers no more.

            1. Not just that, but a generation of young Americans who have been conditioned to kill without mercy by violent video games.

              1. Yeah well remember SOPA…someone made a great meme of Mel Gibson in Braveheart saying “They can imprison us without trial….they can take our money….they can touch our balls at the airport….but they will NEVER TAKE OUR INTERNET!”

            2. Yeah.. I’m thinking if Kimmie wants to knock out all our mass communications and media, whatever LIV’s don’t kill themselves rioting over the TV outage might clue up to reality.

  14. I said this in PM links yesterday, but I think it bears repeating:

    Kim Jong-Un may very well be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet. He does realize it was almost exactly 10 years ago that we invaded Iraq because we thought they MIGHT try to develop a nuke someday, and had WMDs that they MIGHT want to use against us or our interests, right? And we fucked up Sadam Hussein’s shit for that. Is threatening us really a very smart thing to do? If he is bluffing in order to extract concessions, he ought to be careful that we don’t call his bluff.

    Not that I’m advocating a pre-emptive war against NK or anything like that, but seriously??? What a dipshit.

    1. We attacked Saddam because it was easy to do and his military capability was both known and weak. NorKo can get away with the bluster because their capabilities are not exactly known and they will level one of the 10 largest industrial centers in the world before we could defeat them.

      Using Iraq as an example for why NorKo should tone down the rhetoric is not a good analogy.

      1. True. If the NORKs were as weak as Saddam, Clinton would have taken them out in 1994.

        But that said, he might be stupid enough to think he could get away with attacking us. And that is a problem.

        1. Realistically, there is zero good intelligence on the true readiness of the North Korean Army. We do not know the condition of their artillery, how well it was made or the true degree of training of their troops.

          We can count all the tanks we want from orbit, but that does not tell us whether they are operational or, if they are operational, how well the troops can use them.

          The North Koreans have not fought a war for 60 years now. Their officer corps is made up of people who are politically reliable; there is no actual measure of their competence.

          I suspect the North Korean army is more like the Red Army of June 1941 than the the Wehrmacht of that year.

          1. Personally, I think the NK army would crumble under a full up confrontation with the US.

            I hate the wars the US has engaged in as much as anybody here but one thing that the US has is a truly battle hardened standing army. Any army in the world will be playing catch up in a confrontation with the US.

  15. Meanwhile in China: New Bird flu strain outbreak reported with 37% mortality.

      1. Has this video been featured on Tosh.0 yet? I think my favorite part is the fact that there’s a Bud Light bottle in the foreground with its label conspicuosly facing the camera. I wonder if Coors or Michelob have considering using this footage in one of their commercials?

      2. You don’t see that in North Korea. I’m definitely doing that this summer.

    1. Very small sample and not contagious person-to-person.

    2. Ebola is deadlier and more contagious.

      FSM help us if it Ebola mutates into an airborne form.

      1. Yeah, but Ebola is so contagious and so deadly that it burns itself out before it can become pandemic. The worst you will get is a few thousand dead.

  16. A pre-emptive nuclear strike on NK’s artillery might be wise. To prevent Seoul from being rubbled.

    1. Their artillery is semi-mobile, small and scattered throughout the country.

      1. Except for the big-ass conventional artillery pointed at Seoul that’s dug into the mountains so well we have no idea how much there really is.

        Face it: a pre-emptive strike on NorKo would be a really, really bad thing.

        1. That’s another reason not to preemptively strike.

          What I meant was that the shit’s all over the place, there isn’t some giant field with a sign that says “artillery” easily seen from google maps that we could just nuke.

          Not only that, but any artillery of strategic importance will be protected by anti-aircraft missiles as well.

          And as to why cyto thinks nuclear would be a good choice for a first strike, I have no idea. Chalk that up to letting his war boner do his thinking for him.

          1. Yeah. We can’t attack them. We just have to wait and hope for the best.

        2. Serves those South Koreans right for choosing a terrible location for their capital.

          At least we made the Redcoats do some work to burn ours down.

  17. North Korea is a cult with twenty-five million members. Kim Jung Un is their Jim Jones. Crazy is as crazy does and if Kim Jung Un says, “Attack” his countrymen will not question him.

    1. We have no idea how much or little the people of North Korea believe their leaders. Even if they think Kim Jong Un should be burnt at the stake, they would be absolute fools to say anything except what the government tells them to say.

      When the “Dear Leader” finally died, people were arrested for not mourning convincingly enough.

      I am not going to sit safely in North America and dismiss them for being terrorized into submission.

      When people talk of pre-emptive strikes against North Korea they forget that, even if they were 100% successful and prevented the North Korean armed forces from getting off a single shot, tens of thousands of North Koreans would die. And most of them would be innocent of anything but being born in the wrong place.

      1. All true, but… Would the liberated survivors of NK make it worth while? It’s hard to imagine a liberation that would not be worth the cost.

      2. A clarification: “It’s hard to imagine a liberation that would not be worth the cost”, to North Koreans.

        I don’t want to see a single American spill any blood over there.

        My adopted son is in the US Army infantry. I don’t want him sent to NK or Afghanistan.

  18. Again, I think KJU is bluffing. China would mercilessly snuff their sorry ass out if they actually did anything. All the countries they are provoking are China’s biggest trade partners, including South Korea.

  19. There is a dude talking all kinds of smack. Wow.

    http://www.GoPrivacy.tk

  20. I honestly think this new guy just doesn’t have a realistic understanding of much of anything, and with North Korea’s military being about the only vocation that even promises a full career, the general corps are just stringing him along.

  21. I wonder if KJ Un is the one instigating this, or is there some NK General pulling his strings?

    It’s hard to believe he is crazy enough to provoke a war with the US/SK. I doubt the ChiComs will save NK this go round.

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