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Politics

Los Angeles--Los Angeles!--No Longer Attracting Immigrants

Matt Welch | 3.28.2013 11:43 AM

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In the public policy basket case that is my native state of California, one of the most underrated of the many mind-blowing statistical measures of decline is the fact that–for the first time in recorded history–a majority of the Golden State's residents were born there. Which helps explain, among other things, why California in 2010, again for the first time, failed to pick up a seat in the House of Representatives. A state whose very identity and economic engine were founded on attracting dreamers from elsewhere has not really come to grips with the fact that it is no longer doing that anymore.

Well, here comes an even ruder shock: Not only are a majority of residents native-born across the entire state, a majority of residents are native-born in that immigration-destination-within-an-immigration-destination, Los Angeles:

By the end of the year, the majority of residents in Los Angeles County will be native Californians for the first time in recorded history, according to a recent report. And the share of residents who are native Californians is expected to increase to nearly two-thirds by 2030.

The report, released by University of Southern California's Population and Dynamics Research Group, shows a reversal of the long-running influx of immigrants into the city. […]

"It's an extraordinary moment in Los Angeles history--everything we know about L.A. will change," said report co-author Dowell Myers in a statement. […]

Chapman University urban theorist Joel Kotkin – on a panel that discussed the recent findings – said the decline in the number of immigrants is connected to the suffering local economy, which has been stagnant for about a decade. That decline, he believes, will undoubtedly have ramifications for the city.

"You can go back to Athens, Baghdad, London, Berlin in 1900, New York in the early part of the century and L.A. more recently, they were made and recreated from someplace else," Kotkin said. "When you lose that and in such a dramatic way, I think it's going to have some effect on the dynamism."

Researchers also found that – as with immigrants – fewer people from other U.S. states are drawn to California, prompting concerns that the Golden State will be unable to meet its needs in the future for labor.

Reason on California here. Link via the Twitter feed of Joseph Mailander.

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  1. Brett L   12 years ago

    I guess the Angelinos finally got what they wanted.

    1. JohnD   12 years ago

      As my grandpa used to say.... The chickens have come home to roost.

  2. Lord Humungus   12 years ago

    As a teenager - in the 1980s - California was _the place_ we wanted to move to. Now? Ha.

  3. Tim   12 years ago

    We've reached peak California?

    1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

      I though Peak California was like Peak Derp - always approachable, but never attained?

  4. HazelMeade   12 years ago

    Duh. Nobody can afford to live there.

  5. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

    Just a matter of time before all the leeches and fags leave California to come ruin your state.

    1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

      Illinois?! We are ruining ourselves just fine.

      Oh, and what gives with the "fags" ruining a state - American is that you?

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        According to his comment below, he recently bailed from CA. I'm not sure if he's a leech or a fag though.

        1. Ted S.   12 years ago

          Why can't he be both? After all, they both suck.

      2. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

        He's actually a British emigre worried about cigarettes running for office.

        1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

          That comment is so full of win, I am going to need a win take home container for the leftovers.

      3. JohnD   12 years ago

        Did he strike a nerve, LCT?

        1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

          A nerve - heck no, Illinois is way worse off than CA, but to try to blame it on "fags" is kind of strange.

          We are ruined because of a listless populace that consents to being looted by corrupt politicians. Throw in a bad business climate and we cannot see our way out of the hole.

        2. Jordan   12 years ago

          Fuck off. It's not as if straight people voted overwhelmingly for Gary Johnson.

        3. AD-RtR/OS!   12 years ago

          It was a Lucky Strike!

      4. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

        Oh, and what gives with the "fags" ruining a state

        Beware! Our gentrification is coming to eat your CHILDRUNZ.

        1. Irish   12 years ago

          Jesse, Reason used to be a good magazine until you queers came and drove Virginia Postrel away. I hear it's your fault Lucy left, too.

          Is there nothing you can't ruin with your homo ways? Thank God IronSheik was here to speak truth to power.

          1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

            Jesse, Reason used to be a good magazine until you queers came and drove Virginia Postrel away. I hear it's your fault Lucy left, too.

            All of that is true, but now Reason has quaint sidewalk cafes, brewpubs, the best drugs and lower crime rates.

            1. $park?   12 years ago

              Is it willing to meet someone in a visitor's center bathroom for a quicky too?

              1. Irish   12 years ago

                Only if it's a Republican Senator.

              2. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

                It depends, is there a glory hole? Understall action is beneath Reason now.

                1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                  reason's stance isn't wide enough for understall action?

                  1. jesse.in.mb   12 years ago

                    +1 Larry Craig, well played KK.

    2. califernian   12 years ago

      If anything the "fags" who vote are mostly wealthy fiscally conservative types.

  6. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

    Call me Snake.

    1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

      I heard you were dead.

      1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

        I got better.

        1. $park?   12 years ago

          The ghost of Mark Twain has a sad.

          1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

            What, Ghost of Mark Twain doesn't like Python? I find that unlikely.

            1. $park?   12 years ago

              Ghost of Mark Twain insists on being first in everyone's hearts and minds.

              1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                Hey, I love Twain. That's why I keep his frozen corpse around for parties.

            2. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

              What ghost wouldn't love Mounty Python's signature dish Python-on-a-Stick! Mmmmmm!

              1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                Yes, indeed, mmmmmmmm.

              2. $park?   12 years ago

                You mean Mounty Pythoun? Or are they Canadian now?

                1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                  He means Mountie Python. Hasn't one opened near you yet?

                  1. $park?   12 years ago

                    What was the point of the north winning the war if you southerner are going to persist with your bizarre behaviors?

                    1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                      We're one of those nations that won by losing.

    2. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

      The name's Plissken.

  7. John   12 years ago

    The progrards have managed to fuck California up so badly that people would rather move to North Dakota than California. Think about that for a while.

    1. JohnD   12 years ago

      I used to fly to California every other weekend (I worked for a major airline, so my flights were free). I loved Napa Valley and the theaters in San Francisco.

      I no longer have any desire to do that and I haven't been back in 4-5 years. Don't plan to ever go back.

      1. califernian   12 years ago

        Hell, VISITING is the way to go. It's living here under the govt that is the main problem.

        Napa Valley? It's amazing. To visit. Don't live there.

  8. Brandon   12 years ago

    They'll still want to put up walls around the state, but with some subtle differences now.

    1. Ted S.   12 years ago

      They can't do currency controls like Cyprus is doing.

      1. Brandon   12 years ago

        I just meant having the barb wire facing in instead of out.

        1. Agammamon   12 years ago

          The barb wire is always facing in.

  9. Tman   12 years ago

    I was in Cali for a funeral last year and I talked to some libertarian leaning folks for a while who were native Californians. To a man they all hated the state government with a passion for obvious reasons, but each of them would then go on and on about all the great stuff you can do in California, which admittedly is pretty amazing. They all defended their decisions to remain in Cali simply because they said that they couldn't imagine not living near the beach and the mountains at the same time. They all admit that the state is fucked beyond repair but they weren't leaving.

    1. John   12 years ago

      They sound like those white farmers who refused to leave Rhodesia.

    2. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

      Honestly, yes, the state government is fucked. But my interactions with them is limited to filing my taxes (which I pay someone else to do), renewing my car registration (which I can do through my insurer), and dodging the LAPD and their hail of bullets.

      1. Almanian!   12 years ago

        So you look nothing like that Dorer fellow? Good to know.

        1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

          I'm actually an 4'11" elderly korean woman, so yes the LAPD did mistake me for Dorner.

          1. Almanian!   12 years ago

            And you drive a Fiat 500, which looks almost EXACTLY like a Ford pickup.

            I can see how this could happen.

      2. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

        Wait until they have to seize your bank account.

        1. Question of Auban   12 years ago

          +99999

          1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

            That is too many pluses...I am going to need you to fill out this IRS form.

            1. $park?   12 years ago

              IT'S OVER 9000!

    3. Question of Auban   12 years ago

      They really should all leave just long enough for the state government to finally and truly collapse. In other words, they need to shrug - at least for a while. Leave the state to the proles and their Ingsoc masters to screw up even further. When they realize they need to stop punishing productivity then they can go back.

      1. Tman   12 years ago

        That's the thing though, these guys were all successful entrepreneurs (mostly in IT and related fields) and despite the terrible Cali economy and ridiculous business tax and regulations they were making enough money to justify staying. They all said they would rather makes less money and live in Cali than make more and live somewhere where they didn't have what Cali does.

        I think they are all insane because I would prefer to just visit places like that but then again I don't live there.

  10. Almanian!   12 years ago

    Interesting - I JUST turned down a job in NoCal because of - as I told the headhunter - "...California's current regulatory, tax and legal climate, given our interests."

    Kind of everything I like to do is WAY more heavily restricted, taxed and/or regulated than it is in MI and OH. Did my research - "looks like a great job - too bad that state's laws suck and would either prevent me from doing what I like or make it prohibitively expensive."

    So add me as a data point. And fuck California.

    1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

      Fuck Michigan!

      Also, fried chicken.

      1. Almanian!   12 years ago

        America: FUCK YEAH!

        Also, hiyo.

      2. JohnD   12 years ago

        Hey, leave fried chicken alone.

  11. Almanian!   12 years ago

    When you've lost Korean grocers and Chinese laborers...

    1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

      You know who else lost Koreans and Chinese?

      1. WTF   12 years ago

        Hideki Tojo?

        1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

          Correct!

  12. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

    As someone who grew up in the California upper(ish) class and only recently left, I can say that there is still a lot of opportunity to be had there. If you have an electrical engineering degree or computer science degree from a reputable school, you can still make a ton of money in SV and the Bay even at entry level jobs (which are plentiful). I had tons of friends who went to work in entertainment tech jobs after college too in LA and went into Finance in SF. I left because I wanted to work in a different industry, but California is only dead to the lower class these days, and they dug their own grave anyway. The death of California is greatly overstated by libertarians and republicans and their perverse wishful thinking that it will fail.

    1. $park?   12 years ago

      Are you one of the leeches or one of the fags? Both?

    2. Matt Welch   12 years ago

      I do not remotely wish failure upon California, FWIW.

      1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

        Just the Dodgers.

        1. John   12 years ago

          And the Lakers.

          1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

            And the Raiders.

            Fuck the Raiders.

            1. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

              The Raiders can fail just fine on their own. They don't need your help. 🙁

      2. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

        So wish failure upon California manually?

      3. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

        I do.

      4. Spiny Norman   12 years ago

        Neither do I. I do fantasize about wandering through the capitol building punching everyone I see, but I suppose they have guards and stuff.

    3. John   12 years ago

      but California is only dead to the lower class these days,

      Its persistently high unemployment and bankrupt state and local governments would argue otherwise. It is dead to anyone but the rich and the young childless.

      All those friends you have who are doing so well, will be leaving for other states just as soon as they get married and want to live anything but the the 20 something single lifestyle.

    4. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

      If you have an electrical engineering degree or computer science degree from a reputable school, you can still make a ton of money in SV and the Bay even at entry level jobs (which are plentiful).

      How far does a "ton of money" go in those areas?

      1. John   12 years ago

        Not far. I have a friend whose sister is some kind of savant in languages. She has a PHD in Linguistics and was good enough to get a tenured track job teaching at Stanford. She left after a couple of years and took a similar position at the University of Iowa because she couldn't afford even a small house in Palo Alto.

        If a tenured tracked prof at Standford can't afford to raise a family in the bay area, few people can.

        1. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

          Palo Alto is an enclave of extreme wealth. I imagine most professors who didn't buy their houses in the 60s can afford to live in the non student parts of the city.

          1. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

            can't afford, that is

          2. Spiny Norman   12 years ago

            There's always East Palo Alto.

        2. Heroic Mulatto   12 years ago

          She has a PHD in Linguistics and was good enough to get a tenured track job teaching at Stanford. She left after a couple of years and took a similar position at the University of Iowa because she couldn't afford even a small house in Palo Alto.

          Sometimes it's better to be a big fish in a small pond.

      2. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

        Not as far as in Idaho, but many people are willing to pay a premium not to live there. Being middle class in San Jose or San Ramon or the Valley is for a lot of people preferable to being upper middle class in Dallas.

        1. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

          Idaho was the second best place I've ever lived. A close second.

        2. John   12 years ago

          Either that, or being middle class in California is the only choice because their job is there or their family is there. Relocating is hard, even if it does make economic sense. And you can't build an economy on "well we make it really hard but not so hard everyone wants to leave".

          And regardless of how good or bad California actually is, the fact that it is so much less than it should be given its incredible natural gifts is a tragedy.

          1. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

            That's probably true, but it's the path the US has chosen over the past few decades. I guess my view is that California isn't really any worse than the rest of the US. Might as well have decent weather while it burns.

            1. Zeb   12 years ago

              Decent weather is so boring.

        3. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

          Being middle class in San Jose or San Ramon or the Valley is for a lot of people preferable to being upper middle class in Dallas.

          Which I don't have a problem with at all. On the other hand, if a "ton of money" gets you more taxes, house poor, and less disposable/savable income, and a lower standard of living (depending on how you weigh intangibles) it might not be that great of a deal.

          I chose upper middle class in DFW, but I can see the attraction of San Jose, etc., especially when you're younger and likely to be pissing away every dollar you make, regardless of where you live.

        4. Spoonman.   12 years ago

          Being upper middle class in Dallas was pretty awesome from what I remember as a kid.

          1. Brett L   12 years ago

            Being upper middle class in Dallas was pretty awesome

            Yeah. Plenty of gas money to drive to a good city in Texas.

            1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

              The City of San Antonio approves of your comment.

    5. JohnD   12 years ago

      So how are they going to pay the public worker pensions? I've already heard of about 3 cities that are bankrupt.

      You sound like you are in denial.

      1. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

        The bankruptcy process will work like its supposed to. Or they just won't get paid.

        1. Heroic Mulatto   12 years ago

          Yes, but when are you going to break California and make it humble?

        2. califernian   12 years ago

          None of the california pensions are getting paid. It was NEVER going to happen. Just like Social Security, NONE of the so-called "promises" will be kept because the numbers were always a fantasy .

    6. Irish   12 years ago

      So California, in contrast to what progressives claim, actually proves that big governments help rich people and only hurt the poor?

      Thanks, I've been saying that for years.

      1. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

        Duh. San Francisco is one of the most ghettoized places in the US. That's the way people like my family like it. Rich white people rarely have to deal with homos, hippies, and the assorted minorities in California.

        1. Irish   12 years ago

          Why do you keep bringing up gay people? I'm confused as to what gay people have to do with low income people, and you're coming off like a massive asshole.

          I also don't know what precludes gay people from also being rich white people, if you'd like to enlighten me.

          1. Calidissident   12 years ago

            Why am I getting a sense of deja vu?

          2. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

            The rich gay is a rara avis; 98% of them are underclasslings who lack any sense of self control, which is why people in polite society don't generally associate with them.

            My point was that California's policy is designed around protecting the rich parts of the state from the nastiness of the lower class. Which it does quite successfully.

            1. Calidissident   12 years ago

              "98% of them are underclasslings"

              Source?

              http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/0.....index.html

              "who lack any sense of self control"

              Because being with people you're actually attracted to means you lack self control?

              "which is why people in polite society don't generally associate with them."

              Define "polite society"

              1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                Define "polite society"

                Bud Light-drinking WWE fans who like to watch sweaty, half-naked men rolling around on top of each other? Like this!

                1. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

                  The Iron Sheik is the greatest troll of all time. He trolled basically the whole country, which maybe two other people have ever done (Bill Clinton and the guy who shot the guy who shot JFK are also amazing trolls). Total legend.

              2. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

                If you have ever been to gay pride parade stuff in San Francisco, you know that as a group gays have no self control. There are exceptions of course.

                "Polite society" is the group of people who have money and conduct themselves in a manner in keeping with the traditions of hard working protestants who build the state. WASPs if you like.

                1. Calidissident   12 years ago

                  "If you have ever been to gay pride parade stuff in San Francisco, you know that as a group gays have no self control."

                  Because (some) people at gay pride parades in SF represent all (or even most) gay people?

                  "Polite society" is the group of people who have money and conduct themselves in a manner in keeping with the traditions of hard working protestants who build the state. WASPs if you like."

                  That's quite a self-serving definition. And in urban areas of California, the term "polite society" is going to conjure images of limousine liberals a lot more than it is religious conservatives.

                  1. TheIronSheik   12 years ago

                    WASP is not equivalent with religious conservatives or even conservative.

    7. Libertarius   12 years ago

      California is going to fail, as all light timbers must collapse under their own dead weight. It's debt and future liabilities are already far beyond the point of absurdity, and now you have unadulterated rule of the looters via a democratic supermajority. "It's arithmetic".

      It is deliciously ironic that the golden age of California coincided with its political era as a bastion of Republicanism, no matter how far-fetched that might seem today.

    8. phandaal   12 years ago

      I wish for it to fail, for very perverted - I mean perverse - reasons. When it does I can finally open my own lettuce farm to supply the unmet vegetable needs that Steinbeck Country can no longer deliver on.

  13. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

    I joke about hating some of the places I've lived. PA, OH, TX, CO... They were okay places, just not where I would prefer to live.

    BUT...

    And I know this is probably wrong of me, but I truly despise the state of California. I mean to the point I won't step foot in it. It exemplifies the antithesis of everything I believe in.

    FUCK CALIFORNIA! And I mean that from the bottom of my black little heart.

    1. Zeb   12 years ago

      I'd go to California. Just not the places where there are many people.

    2. Emmerson Biggins   12 years ago

      I can at least understand why some people like the San Francisco greater region. And I've never been to San Diego.

      But LA is really the worst place ever. And I was just visiting. I could feel my soul decaying just from being there.

  14. Paul.   12 years ago

    A state whose very identity and economic engine were founded on attracting dreamers from elsewhere has not really come to grips with the fact that it is no longer doing that anymore

    I suggested that once and was taken to task for it.

    1. $park?   12 years ago

      That's because you're not Matt Fucking Welch!

      1. Paul.   12 years ago

        Isn't that the truth!

  15. Old Johnnie Goggabie   12 years ago

    The Ultimate Cosmotarian

  16. H. Protagonist   12 years ago

    Because, seriously, who wants to live in a place where the taxpayers shell out money to pay for condom inspectors?

    If the wifey's family weren't here, we'd be transferring through my work to CO Springs, though it looks like CO is being Californicated pretty quickly already...

    1. Francisco d Anconia   12 years ago

      I lived there 95-98. It was nearly unbearable then. I can only imagine now. C-Springs The front range is New LA.

      1. H. Protagonist   12 years ago

        Been here from 95-05, then 09 till now. The decline in that 4-year gap was staggering.

  17. yonemoto   12 years ago

    I'm leaving california. Moving to texas. I'm starting a nonprofit corp, and I'd really rather not the FTB try to get their grubby hands on the money and send swarms of officers to harass me and eat out my substance. Texas has an 8B surplus, so I figure that's not a bad place to be to be left alone.

    1. yonemoto   12 years ago

      also, fuck retroactive taxes.

    2. Spoonman.   12 years ago

      Where in TX?

      1. yonemoto   12 years ago

        Austin (almost wrote Autism, go figure) or Houston. Leaning towards Austin.

        Here's my nonprofit, for reference, if you'd like to make a suggestion:

        http://indysci.org/

        1. yonemoto   12 years ago

          the board loves the idea that I move to texas.

          1. Spoonman.   12 years ago

            Houston is a worldwide center of cancer research, I would definitely recommend it.

            1. Emmerson Biggins   12 years ago

              I normally tell people not to move to Austin. But we need as many libertarian imports as we can get here, even if they are Californian. So please move here.

              1. yonemoto   12 years ago

                That's exactly why I'm hesitant to go to austin. Houston has a huge chem-eng labor supply (could be good OR bad, depending on how the competing "can pay more" petrochem labor market looks down the line), and one of the projects I'd like to do in the future is to develop a rocket-fuel producing bacteria. I know "green" is annoyingly trendy, but let's just say you basically can't produce this rocket fuel unless it's built in bacteria, *and* it should be about 1.5x more density-energetic than kerosene, with none of the cryogenic overhead of liquid methane or hydrogen.

              2. yonemoto   12 years ago

                ...and I was libertarian before I moved to california, think I inherited the kernel from my Dad (who flip flopped between registered (R) and registered (D) and is suing the federal government, no shit), compounded by a highly anti-authoritarian high school education (rare, for a public school, I know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-B_Woodlawn). One of my best friends in college was a gay republican objectivist from Houston, and the nail in the coffin was watching federally supplied grant money get abused in grad school, followed by living one year back in the DC area surrounded by federal bureaucrats and overly political types.

  18. kinnath   12 years ago

    Back in the 90's when I worked in Phoenix, one of my coworkers interviewed for a "good" engineering job in SoCal. It came with a substantial raise over what he was making in Phoenix, so he accepted the job offer and submitted his resignation BEFORE he took the house-hunting trip to SoCal.

    The Monday morning he got back from the trip, he tried to un-resign but was told is was too late.

    He never did move his family to SoCal. He just commuted to SoCal for nearly a year until he found another job in Phoenix.

  19. MamaLiberty   12 years ago

    "prompting concerns that the Golden State will be unable to meet its needs in the future for labor.'

    Since California seems dead set on the destruction of all liberty and private business, not to mention the rest of their economy, I'm wondering what need they might have for workers of any kind... at least until the people remaining there get smart enough to end the state government war on people and their property.

    I got out nearly 10 years ago... and I wouldn't go back.

  20. John   12 years ago

    Matt,

    You missed a great opportunity here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW704NwL8iU

  21. waffles   12 years ago

    I moved to Sacramento from Pittsburgh, PA against my will. I am now trapped in the "heart of darkness" when it comes to libertarian thought. All of my neighbors yearn for state jobs, agitated for prop 30, and seem to fundamentally believe that their entire way of life is only made possible by government.

  22. AD-RtR/OS!   12 years ago

    It sounds like the "immigrating" has finally been surpassed by the "procreating".
    Demographics are Destiny, after all.

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