Gun Control

Piers Morgan's Argument for Gun Control: 'You're an Unbelievably Stupid Man, Aren't You?'

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CNN talk show host Piers Morgan recently debated Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, about the proper response to the Sandy Hook massacre. A sampling of Morgan's arguments:

You are talking complete and utter nonsense….

What you just said, Mr. Pratt, was an absolute lie…. 

You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?…

What a ridiculous argument. You have absolutely no coherent argument whatsoever. You don't give a damn, do you, about the gun murder rate in America. You don't actually care….

It's complete nonsense….

I know why sales of these weapons have been soaring in the last few days. It's down to idiots like you….

You are a dangerous man espousing dangerous nonsense, and you shame your country.

The exchange, during which Pratt remains admirably calm, pretty accurately reflects the general tenor of the current gun control debate, with raw emotionalism and invective pitted against skepticism and an attempt at rational argument. I am not saying that every supporter of gun control is a raving bully on the order of Piers Morgan, or even that Pratt is right. (You can judge that for yourself.) But proponents of new gun restrictions are counting on emotional appeals for victory, which is why they insist that action must be taken immediately, before the grief and outrage provoked by Adam Lanza's crimes starts to fade. 

[Thanks to Michael Geoghegan for the link.]

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  1. I am not saying that every supporter of gun control is a raving bully on the order of Piers Morgan

    That would be a pretty fucking tall order. Shiver.

    1. They usually are bullies, only without the sense of entitlement and ego that comes with being British and a sucessful media personality like Morgan.

      Why does he even have his own show anyway? Has CNN not filled its smugness quotient with its other lineup?

      1. Jake Tapper is going to CNN in an anchor position it sounds like. Maybe Morgan is getting the push off giving it looks like scandal Murdoch is heating back up in Merry Old England. I fondly hope it utterly destroys him.

        If the majority of reporters were of JT’s quality I’d have little to complain about the profession, but he’s an exception to the rule of mediocrity and the lack of critical thinking that makes up the men and women of the MSM.

      2. Piers got fired from his last job for being an asshole – he’s failing upward.

        http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012…..ly-mirror/

  2. I don’t normally wish ill upon people, but I really fucking hope that Morgan gets knifed one day while walking the streets of London. Of course I want him to survive knowing the reality of what happens when you disarm law-abiding people.

    1. He won’t realize a thing.

    2. Haha… man, I had the exact same thought. Aren’t we diabolical.

    3. Wouldn’t it be funnier if he were shot? In a country where guns are illegal?

    4. the UK recently had a run on baseball bats. I think instead of a knifing, someone going all Bear Jew on him would be more ironic.

      1. Baseball bats in the UK? Now that’s a weapon and everyone should know it, since they don’t play baseball there. Cricket bats, on the other hand…

    5. I really fucking hope that Morgan gets knifed one day while walking the streets of London. Of course I want him to survive knowing the reality of what happens when you disarm law-abiding people.

      Won’t work. His bodyguard will protect him.

    6. He will have the epiphany that they also need to ban knives.

      1. They are working on it already.

        1. The British Knives Act (1997) already bans assault-knives.

          http://www.legislation.gov.uk/…..1/contents

    7. Of course I want him to survive knowing the reality of what happens when you disarm law-abiding people.

      He’ll call for a ban on knives.

  3. But proponents of new gun restrictions are counting on emotional appeals for victory, which is why they insist that action must be taken immediately, before the grief and outrage provoked by Adam Lanza’s crimes starts to fade.

    Yep. And that’s exactly why the institutional checks built into the Constitution are so important. And that’s why they hate them so much.

    A waiting period for guns? I think we need a waiting period for laws.

    1. I think we need a waiting period for laws.

      Thousand years? More?

    2. I’ve said before that there needs to be a significant gap between a piece of legislation and the tragedy it’s riding in on. Nothing good comes from mindless hysterics or the exploitation of mindless hysterics.

      1. I actually had a friend who said yesterday, “I’m eagerly awaiting new gun control legislation. Clearly we need it, and I have no doubt that whatever they come up with with be well thought out and reasonable.”

        What fucking planet do some people live on?

        1. Ceti Alpha V?

            1. Let me put a big in your ear about something.

            2. You lie! On Ceti Alpha V there was rationality, critical thinking! A fair chance…

            3. Piers, although your abilities intrigue me, you are quite honestly inferior. Mentally, physically.

              1. You fled Britain. Why? Were you afraid?

                1. I think it’s pretty obvious why the former editor of the Daily Mirror fled Britain:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N…..ng_scandal

            4. Fist of Etiquette|12.20.12 @ 7:59PM|#

              THIS IS CETI ALPHA FIVE!

              This should be screamed every time someone suggests that the legislature will produce well though-out and reasonable work.

              Because obviously that person doesn’t know what planet they’re on.

          1. We think it’s been found

            1. Tau Ceti 6 exploded six months after we were left here…

              1. Do you mean he never told you the tale? To amuse your Captain, no?

                1. Piers Morgan was your host. You repaid his hospitality by trying to steal his bully pulpit and murder children!

                2. Never told you how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space from the year 1996 with myself and the ship’s company in cryogenic freeze? “

                  1. 1996

                    Figures Clinton would let genetic super men slip through his fingers just like he let bin Laden.

    3. “A waiting period for guns? I think we need a waiting period for laws.”

      This, a thousand times this.

  4. Am I the only one that finds Piers Morgan’s authority fellating even more enraging than usual because he’s a fucking Brit that wants to impose his will on a country he isn’t even a citizen of?

    1. No you’re not. Morgan is a British subject. British subject of rightful ridicule, that is. I suspect he’s just desperate for ratings.

      1. Every time we click, he gets ’em.

        1. YouTube hits are attention, granted, but he’s looking for commercial TV success. Hits don’t qualify for that so far as I know.

    2. Needs moar hyphen. “Authority-fellating”

  5. Piers Morgan: “Could you please stop laughing?”

    My answer: “No, I’ll keep laughing until you stop being an idiot.”

  6. Cnn has pretty much given up any pretense on unbiased reporting. I linked the video of Soledad O’Brien nearly breaking down in tears, well hear is another CNN “reporter” giving in to his personal bias because of emotional stress.

    1. Oh my god, that is beyond parody. “I have been on the verge of tears every second.”

      When did having no control of your emotions become a defining progressive trait? It is like they are proud of their ability to break down and throw tantrums.

      1. I don’t know, but its infuriating. Maybe we should counter their emotional response by popping them in the mouth? That would at least be satisfying.

      2. Cart before Mule, Dagny.

      3. Remember, Dagny, they’re the adults, and libertarians and anti-statists are the children.

        Note, once again, how they are utterly defined by projection.

        1. Someone who uses “I’m srsly about to cry guys!” in place of an actual argument doesn’t get to sit at the grownup table.

          I’m with RightNut, non-initiation of force aside, someone ought to give that loser something to cry about.

          1. It’s self defense.

      4. When did having no control of your emotions become a defining progressive trait?

        Not the right question. The right question: When was it not a defining progressive trait.

        1. Pretty sure Teddy Roosevelt didn’t weep his wee little eyes out every time some kid got killed.

          If you’re gonna be a prog, at least spare us the fucking tears.

      5. Where do you get off calling John Boehner a progressive?

        1. Progressively more orange?

      6. It is like they are proud of their ability to break down and throw tantrums.

        It proves their childlike innocence.

      7. ^This. Thanks, Dagny.

      8. Oh my god, that is beyond parody. “I have been on the verge of tears every second.”

        Funny, I’ve just been annoyed that they won’t STFU about this. How come no tears for the 20 or so inner city kids who get murdered every day?

      9. Oh the humanity!!!

        At least Herbert Morrison had an excuse of personally witnessing a horrific tragedy.

  7. The gun banners think they have the ticket to severe gun control right now, and it’s dead children. That’s the ticket they were waiting for.

    These people are disgusting beyond any proportionate sense of the word. They are utterly transparent ghouls. Hopefully, their absolutely repulsive and frantic scrambling atop the mound of dead children will start to turn people off. It’s not the first time banners of all types went too far and lost.

    1. Yeah, when you wake up one day and get excited about the opportunity a bunch of dead children gives you to advance your cause then you are seriously fucked.

      1. Why am I the one with the sore asshole?

    2. Well, let’s be honest. If there were undead children walking the streets, gun rights proponents would totally take advantage of that to push their agenda too.

      1. Fucking opportunists!

    3. It fucking depresses me that every time I hear about some high-profile shooting – EVEN IN AN AREA WITH STRICT GUN CONTROL- I have to sigh and lament the fact that we will all have to defend out 2nd amendment freedoms AGAIN against these fucking moron statists.

      Did ANYONE on this thread honestly believe on the day that this happened that they would be able to honestly, solemnly and soberly be able to mourn and say a prayer for these poor children… or were every one of us already anticipating with dread the coming media/ prog assault on our liberty. Goddamn I fucking HATE these fucking vultures…

  8. Totally OT, but:

    The wife’s preggers!

    1. Slipped one by the goalie eh?

    2. Totally OT, but: The wife’s preggers!

      YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

      As someone else told me decades ago, The announcement that you can crossbreed with humans is never off topic!

    3. Another potential burden on the state’s resources! Boo!

      1. So I take it you won’t be the child’s godfather, Fist?

    4. If it’s a boy he’ll be expected to mate with Reason Sophia. How else are we going to engineer a race of libertarian supermen?

      1. “Oh, yeah, they say madness runs in our family. Some even call me mad. And why? Because I dared to dream of my own race of atomic monsters, atomic supermen with octagonal shaped bodies that suck blood…”

      2. well if that is going to be the case, the only appropriate name for the boy is Logic.

    5. So they still have milk delivery in your neighborhood?

      1. Mailmen work too, Hugh. I mean, being gov’t employees they don’t work all that hard or anything…

        Also OT, but where is the Typical Libertarian’s Festivus Message? How will I know how to properly celebrate/oppress the holiday season?

        1. “I got a lot of problems with you people!” followed by a list of grievances should suffice.

          1. Stop crying and fight your father!

        2. “we find tinsel distracting”

        3. I don’t know how they do things in Canada, but since when are milkmen government employees?

    6. Congratulations cw!

    7. Have you found the guy responsible?

    8. Congrats, cw. Wishing you and the missus all the best.

  9. Who can we thank for the awesome alt-text? I’m guessing Scottie.

  10. the response by morgan and his ilk is exactly what I expect from overly emotional women, who are the target demo of anyone who watches Piers Morgan in the first place. Seriously, who the fuck watches CNN?

  11. One wonders why Pratt even bothered to go on the show.

    Yes, I understand the urge to go out and convince people on the other side… but it’s not going to happen on their turf. All Pratt accomplished was providing Morgan with a punching bag to rile up his viewers with, and they’ve already made up their minds on this issue anyway.

    If the gun grabbers offered a neutrally-moderated debate, sure. But they’re not going to.

    1. I think Morgan made a plausible presentation of the idea teachers should not be entrusted with the safety of our children. /snide

    2. One wonders why Pratt even bothered to go on the show

      Because if you don’t, you’re scurred.

    3. Apropos of this, why doesn’t Nick Gillespie, or one of Reason’s interns– or the guy who fills the Reason coke machine offer to do a debate with Morgan on Reason.tv?

      1. Cuz Morgan would never appear on a show where he is not in complete control.

      2. Because that would be beneath him. But really, because he would get his limey ass kicked if he stepped outside his ivory tower.

        1. Pratt kicked the shit out of him in his own house.

          I heard the whole exchange on the Opie and Anthony Show yesterday. Even the guys on the fence about guns agreed that Pratt destroyed him. And Morgan came off like a complete fool. With a real moderator, he wouldn’t have a chance.

      3. Look, coke machine guy is a busy man, he can’t be seen hanging around with that sort of riff-raff, he has much more important things to do.

  12. But proponents of new gun restrictions are counting on emotional appeals for victory, which is why they insist that action must be taken immediately, before the grief and outrage provoked by Adam Lanza’s crimes starts to fade because it’s the only play in their wheelhouse.

    Facts and figures be damned! Piers Morgan feels hurt, and that absolutely trumps reality!

    Math is for ingrates and idiots Feelings for the enlightened.

    1. I sure hope we reach Peak Feelings soon. It is getting exhausting.

  13. I doubt Morgan will be asked up to shoot much this season, but face it- Pratt is a complete and utter pratt.

  14. Where’s Jeremy Clarkson when you need him?

    1. are you referring to this recent row?

      1. Specifically I was referring to the time Jeremy punched Piers in the face. He also threw a glass of water on Piers on the Concorde’s final flight.

  15. urge to kill rising. rising

  16. I love when people tell me, “I just feel that…”, because then I get to tell them that adults don’t feel, they think. START THINKING PIERS YOU IDIOT

  17. If gun owners were to a man as stupid, violent, and uncontrolled as Morgan claims, Pratt would have shot him by now…

  18. “or even that Pratt is right.”

    This is a libertarian site, right?

    But hell, if somebody says we shouldn’t have open borders when we have a welfare state, they’re deemed not a libertarian..

    1. The last sentence is just about how cosmotarian Reason writers are considering the pet topics they deem have no room for any libertarian debate….the “set in stone libertarian” position……but chose to leave “the libertarian position” open on gun control.

      1. There are issues on which reasonable libertarians can disagree. That’s the great thing about being libertarian–since we all more or less agree that people should be free to choose for themselves, there’s no reason why we should all have to agree on a lot of issues.

        Anyway, the short list of issues reasonable libertarians disagree on include various foreign policy issues and abortion, too.

        I suppose you might put immigration on that list…although there isn’t anything libertarian about sending the cops after me becasue of whom I choose to hire to mow my lawn.

        If the government gives immigrants free money, that doesn’t mean you get to make my choices for me. Our president thinks the government spending money on the roads I use, for instance, means he should be the one to make my choices for me–and he’s definitely not a libertarian.

        1. although there isn’t anything libertarian about sending the cops after me becasue of whom I choose to hire to mow my lawn.

          Except that I’m also expected to pay 2% of my property value to educate their crotchfruit and 2.5% of my income to help pay for their food/housing/cellphones etc.

          Pay your fucking help a living wage.

          1. living wage? next you’ll be suggesting that there be some sort of minimum below which no one may pay another for labor.

          2. Mission failed you have been spotted.

      2. It must be nice to be so stupid. You don’t even know the pain of reading people like you.

      3. Refusing to address who is correct is a rhetorical strategy to place more emphasis on the decorum and strength of the debaters, rather than which of them “won”.

        It is neither complicated nor uncommon.

        1. Refusing to address who is correct is a rhetorical strategy to place more emphasis on the decorum and strength of the debaters, rather than which of them “won”.

          It is neither complicated nor uncommon.

          Yokeltarians aren’t known for their in depth study of Classical rhetoric. They think “Ethos” is the name of their cousin-brother.

      4. I love it when the cosmotarians call the other cosmotarians cosmotarians.

        1. That’s because you cosmotarians are all alike, with your disdain for cosmotarians and your snotty cosmotarian dismissals. You just need to agree with the Hit&Runpublicans; on everything without debate to be shown the True Way.

          1. You guys are the ones who try to shut down debate by insulting and filtering people.

            1. I only insult you win you deserve it. Like the other day when you gave yourself a Bestest Rhetorician Against The AnCaps At The Gate achievement award. Most days you make a pretty decent argument or two and I leave you alone.

              1. AnCaps Rule ALL!

    2. “But hell, if somebody says we shouldn’t have open borders when we have a welfare state, they’re deemed not a libertarian..”

      Somehow, I’m betting there’s a bit of conflation in that statement.

      1. This is a guy who doesn’t think Brian Doherty is a libertarian.

    3. I think he’s just saying that Morgan being a glib asshole doesn’t imply Pratt is right.

      1. Yeah, that seems like about it. I’m pretty sure Sullum agrees with Pratt.

  19. Props to Governer Kasich for signing pro-gun House Bill 495 today in the current environment. Nothing major here but it’s more the principle of the thing.

    http://www.fox19.com/story/203…..s-for-veto

    A little weaker than it could have been thanks to statist cow f*cker Mike DeWine. I hate guy.

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8681

  20. “The exchange, during which Pratt remains admirably calm, pretty accurately reflects the general tenor of the current gun control debate, with raw emotionalism and invective pitted against skepticism and an attempt at rational argument.”

    It reads like a standard exchange with Tony.

    THIS is why having Tony around is valuable: it’s because, unfortunately, being impervious to reason isn’t unusual.

    We need practice dealing with such people. ’cause reasoning with ’em isn’t about accomplish anything–and yet that’s at least half of America.

    We’re firing rational arguments at people who can’t tell the difference between a rational argument and a hole in the ground.

    Jesus said something about this:

    “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.”

    —-Matthew 7:6

    Of course, if we followed his advice exactly, we might end up getting crucified by the heathen like he was–regardless, I think he was on to somethin’ there!

    Maybe instead of reasoning with then, we just go with ridicule.

    1. Or the earlier version in the Gospel of Thomas, Saying 93.

      1) “Do not give what is holy to the dogs, lest they throw it upon the dunghill.
      (2) Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they turn into [mud].”

      1. Yeah, that’s a good translation, too. Jesus was pretty hostile to scoffers, though, and maybe he shouldn’t have been.

        Scoffing, that’s my strategy with the post-rational progressive contingent now. Two point strategy:

        1) Shock and Awe

        Ask them how many children Obama has killed with missile strikes over the past few years. Obama’s hands are covered with the blood of innocent children!

        2) Merciless ridicule:

        When they say something stoopid, we need to point and laugh. Treat ’em like a dog that shit on the rug. Look what you did! Bad dog!

        1. Thanks for this, Ken — I was going to post the same thought, but figured it would be here already… and then I had to get 3/4 of the way to find yours. Hmm… but that is EXACTLY what I’ve been telling people. Screw O’Bomber, he’s a goddamn child-killing war criminal. Another poster’s point about the 20+ inner-city (read: black or brown) children killed every day is well taken, too — and another smack to O’Bomber’s face. You should have seen the Santa Cruz lady lefties freak out at their Dem registration table when I told them the war criminal line a couple months back. Of course, they had NO riposte whatever. What was that old one about “60 million Germans can’t be wrong”? — how many voted for O’Bomber again?

        2. Excellent points from Ken.

  21. Props to Governor Kasich for signing pro-gun Ohio House Bill 495 today given the current environment. Screw you to Statist ahole AG Mike Dewine for slighlty weakening it before it got to that point. I’ve always hated that guy.

    1. DeWine has always been a RINO.

      1. So he’s a typical modern Republican then.

    2. It should be a stated policy of the Ohio Tea Party to get rid of DeWine the Weasel.

    3. Just goes to show Team Red has a few pearls in its Sea of Shit.

  22. I can see it now: The Piers Morgan Logical Fallacy Drinking Game. You won’t last a minute.

  23. http://espn.go.com/olympics/tr…..ked-escort

    Olympian by day, hooker by night. Wow.

    1. http://bumpshack.com/2012/12/2…..-photos-3/

      And of course, pictures.

    2. Only pictures? I was hoping for a sex tape set to this music.

  24. Sometimes I wonder if we actually need an extremist compliment to the NRA, some group to to issue decrees of death against people like Piers Morgan. You know, to create the same “moderate versus extremist” dynamic that gets people so jumpy about publishing cartoons of the treaty-breaking genocidal pedophile warmonger Mohammad.

    1. That would be really stupid.

      1. So stupid that only a Moby would even suggest it.

    2. While it’s certainly true that feat is a big role in lefties not wanting to anger Muslims, bear in mind, they also simply like them, because they view them an oppressed minority. Violent jihadists are cute and cuddly, while peaceful Christians are pure evil.

      The left absolutely hates the right (or anything they associate with it). Any excuse to use the crushing police state against them will be gleefully applied.

      Which is Republicans are so stupid, they never realize all the police powers can and probably will eventually be used against them.

      1. fear, not feat

      2. ” they also simply like them, because they view them an oppressed minority. Violent jihadists are cute and cuddly, while peaceful Christians are pure evil.”

        I really don’t think that is true.

  25. Asian Markets down on news of impending end of world.

    1. This is monumentally stupid. If the world ends the markets end with it. If the world doesn’t end, there’s no need for the market to drop.

      Perhaps the markets are down because the world isn’t ending and we all have to depressingly roll out of bed again tomorrow.

  26. Hey remember when Piers made fun of George Bush for falling off a segway and then fell off one a few months later?

  27. Yes Feinstein has said her staff has been working on an assault weapons ban for over a year. She was probably hoping to sneak it in with all the hub-bub over “weapons going to Mexico” until Fast and Furious broke. I have no doubt she was privy to that plan to use Mexican deaths to bolster the calls for gun bans here and she was told to have legislation ready while slime like the Washington Post blasted out articles every day about “our” guns going to Mexico.

    Because of F&F she was put on ice and back under her rock. Now the ghoul is back out since there are dead bodies to sniff.

    1. The tinfoil hat folk (full disclosure, proud member here)are saying that the Giffords/Roll killings were in response to their uncovering of F&F and that Loughner was a Manchurian Candidate, ie, MK-ULTRA’d

  28. Piers Morgan is the “stupid man”. I happened to catch that interview, and it was disgraceful.

  29. Anyone else see that CNN town hall yesterday with Morgan as host for a “conversation” about guns? It went about like this did. I seriously wanted to reach through my TV and slap the guy. He basically just kept shouting down the pro gun guy he had, and using his favorite strawman “So why do you believe the answer is MORE guns?!”

  30. You don’t actually care…

    This is his entire argument. Piers cares, and you don’t, you big jerky mcjerk.

    1. Actually, Morgan doesn’t care. Which is why projection is the domain of the Left.

  31. An appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy. It is not an obscure fallacy either, but one of the most famous, one that anyone even remotely familiar with rhetoric understands to be fundamentally invalid. If someone is playing to your emotions, especially when those emotions are embroiled, they are attempting to screw you….hard.

    If someone has to resort to such a fallacy, it means they are either intellectually incapable of putting forward a valid argument, or there is no valid argument to be made.

    Given the length of time that the “gun debate” has persisted in American politics, I’m putting all my money on the latter.

    Remember folks, those who would disarm you are those who would disenfranchise you. Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.

  32. Enemies of liberty like Piers Morgan tend to be a bit dim.

  33. The no guns allowed mindset is pretty common with the Brits, including the softer side of their military. I remember entering the control room of a USAF fighter bomber wing bunker, to inspect the nuclear command and control system, and the RAF policeman that was accompanying us was aghast that there were a handful of M16s in an open rack, with magazines inserted, alongside several loaded 12 ga shotguns. And the duty staff all had sidearms. I guess they expected to defend their bunker against Spetsnaz with their fists.

  34. Morgan is obviously auditioning for a show on MSNBC. Journalists on CNN do not make a habit of shouting down their guests. Many of them do have a liberal bias, but they do at least make an effort to allow their interview subjects to say their piece.

  35. When you can’t articulate a logical argument, resort to the name calling and the insults, eh Piers?

  36. This picture is so funny, haha

  37. Piers Morgan should be deported. Not for his idiotic views on the gun issue, to which he is certainly entitled. He should be deported because he is a crashing bore as a commentator…

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