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Politics

Hungarian Parliamentarian Wants Government to Draw up List of Dangerous Jews

Matt Welch | 11.27.2012 11:36 AM

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Hungary, long considered one of post-communist Central Europe's biggest success stories, has been backsliding fast since the rancidly populist Fidesz–Hungarian Civic Union party headed by Viktor Orbán won a two-thirds parliamentary majority in 2010. Among the many illiberal developments has been an alarming resurgence in government-sanctioned anti-Semitism.

Now Reuters is reporting on an appalling new development:

A Hungarian far-right politician urged the government to draw up lists of Jews who pose a "national security risk", stirring outrage among Jewish leaders who saw echoes of fascist policies that led to the Holocaust.

Marton Gyongyosi, a leader of Hungary's third-strongest political party Jobbik, said the list was necessary because of heightened tensions following the brief conflict in Gaza and should include members of parliament. […]

Gyongyosi, who leads Jobbik's foreign policy cabinet, told Parliament: "I know how many people with Hungarian ancestry live in Israel, and how many Israeli Jews live in Hungary," according to a video posted on Jobbik's website late on Monday.

"I think such a conflict makes it timely to tally up people of Jewish ancestry who live here, especially in the Hungarian Parliament and the Hungarian government, who, indeed, pose a national security risk to Hungary."

Jobbik holds 44 of 386 seats in the Hungarian Parliament, according to the Reuters report. Fidesz and the government condemned Gyongyosi's statement.

A half-million Hungarian Jews died during the Holocaust, often with the enthusiastic participation of their non-Jewish countrymen.

Link via the Twitter feed of Nick Denton.

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  1. Almanian.   12 years ago

    You know who else drew up lists of Jews who posed a "national security risk"...

    1. Almanian.   12 years ago

      Und erst, meine Freunden!!

    2. Tulpa Doom   12 years ago

      Pontius Pilate?

      1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

        WINNING#

    3. JW   12 years ago

      Nixon?

    4. RyanXXX   12 years ago

      Joe McCarthy?

    5. Episiarch   12 years ago

      Your mom?

    6. Joe M   12 years ago

      Are we even allowed to discuss this article? We'll surely descend into a Godwin singularity.

      1. Rich   12 years ago

        You know who else descended into a Godwin singularity ....

        1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

          Godwin?

      2. Heroic Mulatto   12 years ago

        IT'S NOT GODWIN IF THE NAZI REFERENCE IS GERMANE TO THE TOPIC AT HAND!

        Jus' sayin'

    7. Rich   12 years ago

      Woody Allen?

  2. JW   12 years ago

    Hungary, long considered one of post-communist Central Europe's biggest success stories, has been backsliding fast since the rancidly populist Fidesz?Hungarian Civic Union party headed by Viktor Orb?n won a two-thirds parliamentary majority in 2010.

    I used to hope otherwise, but the older I get, the more I'm convinced that mankind doesn't like being off the leash.

    1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

      Fucked we are, yes, hmmmm.

    2. Tulpa Doom   12 years ago

      Just wait till the Magyar Brotherhood gets hold of the rains of power.

      1. Brandybuck   12 years ago

        It will be a very wet day indeed when that happens.

    3. Cytotoxic   12 years ago

      Hungary was backsliding well before Fidesz got into power. Fisdesz was preceded by a rancidly socialist government.

      1. Ted S.   12 years ago

        Yeah, but the rancid socialists are OK in the eyes of the chattering classes in Brussels.

    4. Episiarch   12 years ago

      The worst human emotions--hate, envy, jealousy--are some of the most powerful. Unfortunately.

      1. Warty   12 years ago

        The worst human emotions are whatever you have, dickweed.

        1. Episiarch   12 years ago

          Contempt and boredom?

          1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

            Spite and ennui?

      2. JW   12 years ago

        Fucking Dark Side and their hate cookies.

        1. Loki   12 years ago

          Mmmmm, hate cookies...

          It's the fear and anger that really make them good.

      3. Tulpa Doom   12 years ago

        "Feelings aren't positive and negative, they simply exist. It's what we do with those feelings that becomes good or bad. For example, feeling angry about an injustice could lead someone to take a positive action to correct it."

        -- Counselor Troi

        1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

          Why was she on the show again?

          1. Drake   12 years ago

            Tits

            1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

              Yeah, but why did she have dialogue? Lt. Uhura, for instance, only spoke more than a handful of words on occasion. And she was an okay character, anyway.

              1. JW   12 years ago

                Wasn't she the ship's Sex Counselor?

                1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                  Oh, was that it? Then why was she on the bridge? It's not like Picard was having much sex.

                  1. Loki   12 years ago

                    It's not like Picard was having much sex.

                    Riker, OTOH...

                2. Loki   12 years ago

                  There were times, especially during the earlier seasons, when based on her wardrobe I had to kind of wonder just what kind of "counselor" she was.

                  It's just too bad that she wasn't more attractive. I never really thought she was that hot. In fact a lot of those more revealing outfits were really not flattering on her at all.

                  1. Episiarch   12 years ago

                    TNG literally had the worst women on it. TOS had a bunch of hot women, even VOY had Jeri Ryan and ENT had Jolene Blalock. Just another crime TNG is responsible for.

                    1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                      The big difference between TOS and most Star Trek that followed were the characters. They were very well done in the original and only sporadically well done in the later shows.

                    2. Episiarch   12 years ago

                      That's because Gene created the ultimate trinity in Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. The captain superhero, his brilliant first officer, and the curmudgeonly doctor with their corresponding conflicts was a brilliant creation. In TNG, they tried to split Kirk into Picard plus Riker, and it didn't work. They couldn't do a Vulcan-human hybrid again, so all of Spock's internal conflicts became unavailable to any subsequent characters. Basically, Gene's first formulation was so comprehensive it made it impossible to do another good cast.

                    3. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                      Not impossible. Just difficult. The guys running the show just couldn't hack it.

          2. Tulpa Doom   12 years ago

            One of the best moments in TNG history was when Ro Laren and O'Brien realized that Troi was the highest-ranking officer on the bridge when it was cut off from the rest of the ship and was thus in command. The sense of "we're fucked" was palpable.

            1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

              Quickly ruined by her not being incompetent.

              Want a woman to be competent in command? Then bring her on the show as someone with that experience. Instead, they threw her and Crusher into situations they couldn't possibly be qualified for, and they did just peachy. Picard should go perform some surgery.

              When McCoy had command moments, he was clearly out of his element and acted that way.

              1. Loki   12 years ago

                It did kind of cheapen the whole mystique of being "The Captain" didn't it? I mean, if it's so easy to command a starship that the designated vapid pseudo eye-candy can do it, then that means there's really nothing special about Picard.

                1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

                  Exactly. The show was terrible with stuff like that.

          3. Killazontherun   12 years ago

            Alt-Universe Troi on Six action soft porn novels.

  3. Pound. Head. On. Desk.   12 years ago

    I got a clear view of anti-semitic irrationality since going online back in the FIDOnet days. My last name is very WASP. It's so English it shows up in the A&E Hornblower series. Yet I can't count the number of times I've been "accused" of being a Jew on FIDOnet and Internet.

    1. Pound. Head. On. Desk.   12 years ago

      Hey, the ampersands work again!

      1. Tulpa Doom   12 years ago

        Only a Jew would use ampersands. You're a convert, aren't you!

      2. Episiarch   12 years ago

        Ampersands are for goyim only!

  4. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

    Say, is that some sort of chocolate statue?

    1. JW   12 years ago

      Yeah, but it looks all hazel-nutty. Yech.

      1. Pro Libertate   12 years ago

        Some sort of Hungarian chocolate?

        1. T   12 years ago

          With paprika!

    2. neoteny   12 years ago

      That's a wooden statue of Admiral Horthy, Regent of the Kingdom of Hungary 1920-44 ("a kingdom without a king, a country which had no coastline led by an admiral").

      This statute was erected recently, then not long afterward a Hungarian-Jewish lawyer poured red paint on it while shouting "mass murderer!" (AFAIK)

      The charge is debatable: on the one hand, Hungary was under German military occupation by the time the deportations started, the Prime Minister was forced on Horthy by the Germans, Horthy claimed that he thought that the deportations were for the purpose of providing manpower for the German war industry, the Western Allies refused to prosecute him as a war criminal or hand him over to the Russians/Hungarians.

      On the other hand, he did not resign; he did put an end to the deportations once Hungary was heavily bombed by the Americans, and even if he had a good-faith belief that the purpose of the deportations was work in the Reich, he allowed Hungarian citizens to be taken for essentially slave labor.

  5. toolkien   12 years ago

    Reuters needs to get writers a little better schooled in history. It was Nazism, and its particular brand of fascism, that was anti-Semitic as a basic policy (which they exported to conquered nations). There were Jews involved in Italian fascism until Hitler attained the upper hand in the relationship and forced their expulsion. Fascism, per se, isn't anti-Semitic. Look at the USA, there are plenty of Jews involved with our brand of fascism. And there are plenty of Jews who are communists, and of course there are plenty who are free marketeers. To say that fascism and anti-semitism are co-joined only fuels semantic breakdown that when you properly label the US economic system as fascistic people guffaw because there aren't Jews being marched off to camps so it can't be fascism.

    1. Spoonman.   12 years ago

      Mises helpfully points out that many of the philosophical tenets of Nazism were first propounded by Jews - Nazism is just socialism + anti-Semitism.

      1. Loki   12 years ago

        + Nationalism. Don't forget about that. It's even in the name: National Socialism.

        1. CE   12 years ago

          Sort of like the modern day "Republican" and "Democrat" parties in the United States of America, both of which are nationalist and socialist, to different degrees.

    2. Gojira   12 years ago

      A good point, and one I've made before.

      If you try to tell people that the US is sliding towards fascism, they just point out that the Gestapo didn't arrest you for saying there, and there aren't Jews in camps, so therefore, it must not be a dictatorship.

      Hitler did the world an even larger disservice than anyone thought - he permanently set the bar. Anything less than full-on Nazi Germany is now considered "not so bad".

      1. Gojira   12 years ago

        ...Gestapo didn't arrest you for saying that...

        fixed

      2. Warty   12 years ago

        Hitler wasn't all bad, though. I mean, he built roads, right?

      3. CE   12 years ago

        You know who else set the bar for being an evil authoritarian leader?

  6. Joe M   12 years ago

    *rubs eyes*

    What year is it again?

  7. Loki   12 years ago

    I don't think anti-semitism ever really disappeared from Europe. As the holocaust becomes more and more of a distant memory, we're going to see more of this shit in the years to come. There are days when I honestly hope that the Mayan apocalypse really does happen next month. Goddammit people fucking suck.

    1. Tulpa Doom   12 years ago

      At least the Gypsies are safe.

      1. Loki   12 years ago

        There are advantages to being transients. You can pack up and leave whenever you need to.

      2. Redmanfms   12 years ago

        Honestly, Gypsies deserve the hate. Gypsies, regardless of ethnicity are a culture of career traveling grifters, murderers, and slavers. Roma play a HUGE role in the sex-slave trade throughout Europe.

        And yeah, Europe is lousy with Jew-hate. It has no small bearing on why they lap up all the Palestinian agitprop theater.

        1. CE   12 years ago

          So much for the gypsies being safe....

        2. Ted S.   12 years ago

          My friends in Finland bitch about Gypsy "culture", and how all the multiculturalism types are just enablers.

    2. Seanin   12 years ago

      Exactly right. Anyone with eyes the last 10-12 years can see this. Anti-Jewish terrorism has only licensed public expressions of 'intellectual' anti-Semitism in Europe. It's the 'defining deviancy down' problem referenced above WRT to Hitler as the only standard for dictatorship.

      The way I look at it: Europe was openly anti-Jewish for hundreds of years. The last 70 years anti-Semitism has been dormant, largely because of Holocaust shame. But people get tired of being ashamed of their history, and then turn their negative emotions on what they perceive to be the source of that shame. Hence, European anti-Israelism and growing anti-Jewish sentiment generally.

  8. Killazontherun   12 years ago

    If it makes you feel any better, Jews, Central Europe doesn't like vampires either.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....rning.html

    Some super special someone linked to this this morning, but without that browser window being open I can't give them the proper credit due to them for their hard work and perseverance in the face of adversity.

  9. SugarFree   12 years ago

    Slappy's beloved A3P:

    Movies like Lincoln are thus mainly intended to further the cause of the suicide of White America?to be an object lesson on the necessity of multiculturalism and the moral imperative of the displacement and disempowerment of Whites.

    Lots of Jewish involvement: Produced and directed by Jewish ethnic activist Stephen Spielberg (Schindler's List; see also here), starring Daniel Day-Lewis (half Jewish), based on a biography of Lincoln by plagiarist Doris Kearns Goodwin (married to a Jew), screenplay by gay activist Tony Kushner, who says he decided not to portray Lincoln as gay. One doesn't want to get too far out ahead of the cultural zeitgeist. Maybe in a few years.

    Kushner is proud of bringing his Jewish sensibilities to the project. Wikipedia: "Kushner said Lincoln's abolitionist ideals made him appealing to a Jewish writer, and although he felt Lincoln was Christian, he noted the president rarely quoted the New Testament and that his 'thinking and his ethical deliberation seem very talmudic'".

    American history through Jewish eyes, as a morality play where Lincoln's moral standing derives from his acceptance of Jewish values. I guess if Lincoln quoted the New Testament more, he could never have become an icon of multicultural virtue.

    1. Killazontherun   12 years ago

      Kushner said Lincoln's abolitionist ideals made him appealing to a Jewish writer

      Er -- idealistic abolitionist hated the guy.

    2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

      Lincoln was no abolitionist. Circumstance lead him to offer the Emancipation Declaration, not a great love of black folk.

      Same way as Obama is no gay rights activist. Circumstance and a loud-mouthed Veep forced his hand, and now everyone thinks he's some champion of gays.

  10. Robert   12 years ago

    It was hear that I learned of Fidesz's strange metamorphosis from mostly libertarian to...uh...this. Interesting case of ideologic drift.

    1. Robert   12 years ago

      "hear", not "hear". I got hung up between that and "heard" instead of "learned".

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