Credit to The Awl for hosting an election discussion that ignores all the talking points dominating the discourse on cable right now. The panelists are Whitney Phillips, a folklorist who studies trolls, and Kate Miltner, who wrote her thesis on LOLcats. Their topic is political memes, but they branch out into related areas of Internet culture fairly frequently.
Here's Phillips:
The Awl
For some, political memes represent an EPIC WIN for CROWDSOURCED DEMOCRACY. For others, they are a sign of the intellectual apocalypse…There's always been the highbrow/lowbrow divide; people have been weeping over how stupid everyone else is and how much worse everything is getting since humans learned how to whine about the good old days (back in my day being a Neanderthal really meant something; now it's just a pickup line). So those concerns are expected, almost trite. But the political purists, who apparently only ever have Deep Important Thoughts, aren't the only people in the facepalm camp. A large swath of early meme/ROFL/internet culture whatever-adopters (a category that has existed for years, but still doesn't have an agreed-upon name) have long been wary of the mainstreaming of internet culture, and see the onslaught of poppy political memes as further proof that meme/ROFL/internet whatever culture has gone corporate. Think punks walking past a Hot Topic store.
Here's Miltner:
I can't help but feel that this is a little too Frankfurt School for my taste (i.e., the only art is High Art and that pop culture is going to destroy us all because we the General Public are a bunch of brainless zombies who do whatever the puppetmaster advertisers tell us to). The fact that a distinction is developing between high-meme culture/low-meme culture is pretty hilarious, simply because most people consider memes to be the lowest of low culture—and anyone who tries to persuade people otherwise usuallygetsmocked outside of internetty circles. Or at least, that was my experience with my LOLCats thesis—most of the comments on the mainstream news sites that covered it were hilariously outraged that me and my waste-of-time degree even existed.
Anyway, the whole SOME MEMES ARE GOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL AND SOME ARE JUST COPIES just seems like of the modern-day equivalent of Adorno and Horkheimer being all, "Classical music and Renaissance paintings are TRUE art and jazz and movies are CRAP for MORONS," which, LOL.
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"Anyway, the whole SOME MEMES ARE GOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL AND SOME ARE JUST COPIES just seems like of the modern-day equivalent of Adorno and Horkheimer being all, "Classical music and Renaissance paintings are TRUE art and jazz and movies are CRAP for MORONS," which, LOL."
DOES URKOBOLD PAY THESE INTELLECTUALS BY THE POST OR BY THE HOUR?
I'm feeling better now. Reading those two was reminiscent of listening to middle school girls while they paint their nails. Lots of words, very low content.
I find this hilarious and mockable, yet oddly true and intriguing.
I mean, I actually think both of these people are saying things that are interesting and relevant. Yet, I can help but find it amusing that someone wrote an academic thesis on LOLCats. Yet, I actually think the LOLCats phenomenon is interesting and relevant and worthy of commentary and anlysis.
Someone wrote a dissertation on LOLCats--AND RESPONDS TO QUESTIONS USING ALL CAPS.
The internet trolls that are the most interesting aren't the ones that call themselves trolls; the internet trolls that are really interesting are the ones who are trolls and don't even know it!
...and it looks like one of them might be able to learn something about that by studying the other.
CLAP.
CLAP.
CLAP.
That is for the alt-text.
For some reason I thought there was a much smaller char limit for alt-text.
I am a fan. I just hope Jesse doesn't think they boosts his average up enough to skip on the next few.
Everyone who agrees with me is smart, and everyone else is dumb.
If you're smart enough to have countered my rebuttal before I even make it, I guess I have no choice but to agree with you.
Wrong!
You're dumb.
You're a cantaloupe.
You're a towel.
Anybody wanna get high?
What if I agree that we disagree? HUH MR SMARTY PANTS!?
I don't agree that we disagree. I just write you off as dumb. Dummy.
Donkey and elephant are just pre-Photoshop era memes. There's not much new under the sun.
Yes, trying to solve the great mystery as to why people like shiny things.
Because they're shiny?
Phillips' answer almost reads like a troll post.
She's either spent so much time reading troll posts that she's subconsciously become one of them? Or she's trolling the journalists!
"Anyway, the whole SOME MEMES ARE GOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL AND SOME ARE JUST COPIES just seems like of the modern-day equivalent of Adorno and Horkheimer being all, "Classical music and Renaissance paintings are TRUE art and jazz and movies are CRAP for MORONS," which, LOL."
DOES URKOBOLD PAY THESE INTELLECTUALS BY THE POST OR BY THE HOUR?
I'm feeling better now. Reading those two was reminiscent of listening to middle school girls while they paint their nails. Lots of words, very low content.
I read that as "Derp Important Thoughts". It improved the content.
No beer and no TV makes Homer...something something.
Theodor Adorno sucks LOL!!!11
(And he does, too.)
I find this hilarious and mockable, yet oddly true and intriguing.
I mean, I actually think both of these people are saying things that are interesting and relevant. Yet, I can help but find it amusing that someone wrote an academic thesis on LOLCats. Yet, I actually think the LOLCats phenomenon is interesting and relevant and worthy of commentary and anlysis.
Help. Me.
Someone wrote a dissertation on LOLCats--AND RESPONDS TO QUESTIONS USING ALL CAPS.
The internet trolls that are the most interesting aren't the ones that call themselves trolls; the internet trolls that are really interesting are the ones who are trolls and don't even know it!
...and it looks like one of them might be able to learn something about that by studying the other.
Are they more or less interesting than the spoof trolls?
Can you be a spoof troll without knowing it?
If only the Ceiling Cat would get down to business and engage in some serious smiting.
CEILING CAT IS WATCHING YOU MENTALLY MASTURBATE
Just remember kitty heaven is mousy hell!
Those whom Ceiling Cat would destroy he first deems kitty toys.
That entire article is pure gold from beginning to end.