Superstorm Sandy

Worm Beginning to Turn on Big Apple's Love Affair With Post-Sandy Government

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Big government losing its luster

Yesterday I mentioned some policy grumbling that was beginning to percolate underneath the otherwise happy notices about the Tri-State area's official handling of Superstorm Sandy. Well, this morning that has elevated to a dull but growing roar. The lowlights:

* Residents of Staten Island, where a lot of first-responder types live, are absolutely livid about the slow pace of relief and even rescue. People are pretty grumpy in similarly non-mediagenic Long Island as well.

* Public sentiment is turning sharply against Mayor Michael Bloomberg's decision to allow the New York Marathon to run on Sunday, at a time when rescuers are still looking for bodies, hundreds of thousands are still waiting for electricity, a scattering of looters are plaguing some communities, temperatures are plummeting toward the freezing level, and survivors are doing desperate things for food. The New York Post is hammering Bloomberg for diverting generators to the marathon that could (needless to say) be better used elsewhere.

* Hours-long gas lines in New Jersey are prompting non-libertarians to criticize Gov. Chris Christie's misguided campaign against "price gouging."

* Jason Sheftell of the Democrat-supporting Daily News goes ballistic against the power company: "The greatest city in the world has been brought to its knees not by Hurricane Sandy, but by Con Ed….Someone has to say it: Con Edison is to us what FEMA was to New Orleans after Katrina."

* Rescue crews are reportedly being turned away from New Jersey due to being non-union. UPDATE: That story is now reportedly a misunderstanding

No one says this stuff is easy, and a handful of valid complaints do not indict the entirety of the massive government response here. But they do render even more ridiculous the knee-jerk impulse to uncritically and immediately cheer on big government and pillory those who have different ideas about more effectively delivering services.

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  1. Only 5 days till it started devolving. A little faster than I expected.

  2. Public sentiment is turning sharply against Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s decision to allow the New York Marathon to run on Sunday, at a time when rescuers are still looking for bodies, hundreds of thousands are still waiting for electricity, a scattering of looters are plaguing some communities, temperatures are plummeting toward the freezing level, and survivors are doing desperate things for food. The New York Post is hammering Bloomberg for diverting generators to the marathon that could (needless to say) be better used elsewhere.

    You just don’t understand how essential the NY Marathon is to the self image and psychic well being of rich New Yorkers.

    1. This complaint is all over talk radio, seemingly unanimous, but what none of them ever answer is, how does the marathon interfere with recovery operations? AFAICT, the complaint is like, how can you have fun when there are people in trouble? I just got electricity back last night here in the Bronx, but I don’t begrudge them their race. Hell, tomorrow we’re playing pee wee football in Pelham Bay Park. OK, in that case it’s a park, don’t have to temporarily close streets for it, but seriously, do you think they’d route the road race thru a street they’ll have to clear Con Ed crews out of?

      1. Indeed, there’s hardly anything gov’t does or needs to do for recovery ops, as opposed to rescue ops. Fixing things is the biz of the utility cos. y construction firms y contractors. I hardly see that a road race has anything to do with that, so AFAICT it’s all envy talking.

  3. It was just a matter of time, before reality caught up to all those encomiums to the efficiency and efficacy of Big Gov.

    I hadn’t really thought about it, but I guess 3 – 4 days sounds about right.

  4. I don’t understand why it can be so hard to accept that rebuilding electrical interconnects, and ensuring that they won’t fail massively when turned on due to salt water contamination, is a tremendous task.

    I say this as one who was out of power for 15 total days over the last 4 years due to ice storms, wind storms, and freak snow storms in the Northeast (and not in north butt-fuck either). It’s a lot of work with limited (and very stressed and tired) manpower.

    Suck it up. You wanted city life. Now you’re paying the price for all of this wonderful centralization.

    1. Or maybe buy a generator to run your fridge and plan a bit. Do things like fill your car up with gas before the storm. Buy some non perishable food and bottled water. Get extra gas for your generator. Run your generator only ten or so hours a day to save on gas and cool down your fridge. It is not that hard.

      1. The failure to fill up with gas ahead of time is just astounding to me.

        1. Well, to be fair Matt, you know how these mega-storms can just sneak up on a person.

        2. Matt, I live in Westchester and I see it everytime there is a snowstorm. People DON’T fill up, discover they need gas to get to point X to stay with family/friends after they lose power, and BOOM! No gas at the gas station.

        3. The failure to fill up with gas ahead of time is just astounding to me.

          Considering that I just saw this “hearty” New Yorker screaming over and over that “we’re all gonna die, it shouldn’t be that surprising. I firmly believe that 47% number might not be off after all.

        4. I’m astounded at people’s inability to plan ahead at all for disasters. I filled up both cars, bought canned food and prepped for storing water (water was cleaned out in most places). hell, I even bough some Underwood deviled ham spread. I haven’t had that since I was a kid.

          Being in MD, we got lots of wind and rain, but that was about it. My area wasn’t affected by any power outages that we could find and my planning was for naught. Still, better to have it and not need it…

          Ah well, live by Big Mama, suffer by Big Mama. Maybe this will snap a few people in NYC out of their dependency on the state for all things, by I suspect that most will just demand better from Mama, instead of looking for actual change.

        5. I was on the Jersey Shore sunday b4 the storm. There were very long lines at all gas stations.

          1. Same here in Pgh, even though the biggest threat was flooding. It was kind of funny watching fatties waddling around Walmart carrying cases of bottled water in their arms because all the shopping carts were taken.

      2. Apparently it is that hard. I’ve sold my share of generators to the public in times of emergency and you would be shocked at the lack of preparedness.

        I had a woman call me after the power went out during a forecasted hurricane and said she needed a generator because her child was on mandatory nebulizer treatments that could not be administered without power. Your average hunter that wants to keep his venison frozen is better prepared.

        1. Hunters, because they hunt, understand the precariously thin veneer of civilization. It’s part of the reason they hunt.

          Everyone else just assumes they will always have the things that they have, and more.

        2. I heard a similar lament on the radio from some bonehead father about his special snowflake needing power for something similar.

          Spend 500 bucks on a basic generator to meet this need? Crazy talk, that is.

          1. You can get a good one for about $350

      3. I would suspect that having generators handy in the city is somewhat difficult. I suspect that very few renters anywhere own generators due to lack of storage space. Additionally, you need a deck and some sort of coverage for weather issues.

        And then there’s transportation issues. Many cityfolk don’t even own cars. They have no ready way to GTFO in an emergency.

        Single family homes FTW when it comes to disaster preparedness ability.

        1. Statan Island is almost all single family homes. Not all of NYC looks like the upper east side.

          1. Well aware.

            There are other considerations too. Having a genny just for your refrigerator isn’t very cost effective. A $500 expense + gas for maybe $100 worth of food? Not really worth it. In general, you’re better off with a good stock of non-perishable food. Canned milk. Bottled water. Beef jerky. You name it.

            Now where a genny really helps is for heat (or more importantly, for water when you’re on a well pump). But for that, you typically need to put in a transfer switch. Yeah, you can hack directly into your electrical panel, but I don’t advise that.

            I have a gas genny for the house. I also stock a week’s worth of non-perishable food. And I have a hand crank radio. I just need a pistol and some ammo stock.

            Bring it.

            1. But for that, you typically need to put in a transfer switch.

              Huh?

              Dude just go to the well head. Should be two wires connected with a couple of those screw wire connectors. (they will probably be under the plastic cover)

              get a three tooth power cable (you know the orange ones). Cut the cable, strip the wire ends, and connect it to the well head wires then plug it into your generator. You might have to look up on the internet which wire to which wire (something you do before you lose power) or simply experiment.

              Well pumps are not complex pieces of electronics…just a propeller connected to an electric motor. So i would not worry about breakers and voltage….if you connect it wrong it might make the propeller go in the wrong direction….which probably will not break anything.

            2. Canned food wont power outdoor recreational equipment like a gas generator.

    2. You wanted city life. Now you’re paying the price for all of this wonderful centralization.

      Isn’t the point of cities to create the economies-of-scale necessary to make living cheaper for people? Doesn’t it make sense that a densely populated area can be more easily and efficiently – and therefore more economically – served by public necessities?

      Why then is the cost of living always higher in cities than in the suburbs, which in turn are a more expensive place to live than rural areas?

      Seriously – can anybody explain to me why the most densely populated areas of the country are also the most expensive areas to live in while the cheapest places to live are out in the boonies?

      I understand market forces – people are willing to pay big bucks to live in Manhattan and nobody wants to live in East Armpit, Idaho – but why is that so? Shouldn’t it be cheaper to live in a shoebox stacked on top of a thousand of your neighbors rather than on 20 acres out in the middle of nowhere?

      1. Seriously – can anybody explain to me why the most densely populated areas of the country are also the most expensive areas to live in while the cheapest places to live are out in the boonies?

        Demand is what makes the nicer places densely populated. The reason why Armpit, Idaho is empty is because few want or can live there. They pack tons of people into Manhattan because there is a big demand to live there.

        1. Hey! /Armput, Idaho resident

      2. I understand market forces – people are willing to pay big bucks to live in Manhattan and nobody wants to live in East Armpit, Idaho

        And… that’s it.

        1. Not entirely.

          Another part is government created scarcity.

          And a third part is government subsidization increasing consumer prices.

        2. I can see real estate prices reflecting the supply/demand – but what about the price of everything else? Why are taxes higher? If the cost of government is spread over more people, shouldn’t taxes be lower per capita in the cities? And the same thing for goods and servics – shouldn’t economies of scale dictate lower prices in the city?

          Back in the olden days, people congregated together because living together was more efficent in terms of building fortifications, having a common water supply, a central market for goods and services, etc. Living out in the wilderness where you had to supply every single thing for yourself was a hard way to live, it was cheaper and easier to share the work.

          But what purpose do cities serve now? Is living in a city somehow more efficient than living in the suburbs? And if living in the city is more efficient, why does it cost more?

          1. There are other costs of suburbian life you are missing.

            NYCers probably spend less per year on transportation costs, thanks to required car insurance for those of us who drive.

            NYCers have smaller living areas, which means lower utility bills, and many times things like water are included in the rent.

            Taxes are higher because they can be. New York City can afford to lose out on a couple hundred thousand who move out or don’t move in because of the high demand to live there, so you can keep taking from the goose without killing it.

          2. “But what purpose do cities serve now?”

            Easier to meet chicks and find good alcohol?

            Everybody is doing it!

            [beats me, I live in the burbs and love it].

          3. The main point of concentrating the popul’n is to save xport’n costs for the people y things you need to coordinate. At least that’s what I told my Environmental Science students.

            I put to them the following hypothetic: Suppose teleport’n was developed, and it was cheap. You’d step into the booth, put in a quarter, and be at whatever other booth you dialed up, in the blink of an eye; and the booths were cheap enough that they were everywhere — one in every home or office, always one within a short walk or anyplace a significant no. of persons would ever want to be. What would happen to cities? The cost y delay of xporting goods y persons would nearly vanish, so that pressure would be off.

            There’d still be a little cost savings to bldg. with shared walls. Save a pinch on heating y AC. Any other reasons to concentrate?

            1. Really consider the teleport thing for a moment. You got a business that requires several rooms of offices? No need for them to be contiguous, you could lease rooms individually in any parts of the world; the need for a waiting room vanishes completely. A patient could be teleported from a hospital bed to an operating room y back; maybe you wouldn’t even need the hospital room. Assembly lines become virtual chains of teleporter-connected ops. All the Kentucky Fried Chicken in the world delivered hot from one kitchen, or any number of kitchens, to anyplace people feel like eating.

              OTOH, nothing to stop super-concentr’n of bldgs. y rooms. No need for hallways or roadways between them, so things could be on top of each other, except for difficulties in construction. But probably not how you’d want to live.

              1. City life has more to do with culture than efficiency.

                Many people appreciate the energy and dynamism of cities, and don’t appreciate or even understand the suburb dwellers love of personal space.

      3. Well to be fair, if you want to live life as a rugged individualist you need to move to West Armpit, Idaho.

        We all laugh at the misery of the effete eastern liberals in East Armpit when disaster hits.

  5. Politicians were scrambling Thursday to increase the supply of fuel ? the Port of New York and New Jersey opened just enough to allow boats carrying gas to move, and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey waived restrictions that make it harder for stations to buy gas from out-of-state suppliers. Mr. Christie’s office had warned that price gougers would be prosecuted, but drivers were reporting that some stations were charging more than $4 a gallon, even though the state had set gas prices at $3.59 on the highways last week.

    So the politicians shut down the ports, won’t allow gas stations to buy from out-of-state suppliers, and make it illegal to use the market to ration gas supplies – but they are ‘scrambling’ to get more gas to the area. Yeah.

    1. My brothers’ mother-in-law has a house just off the beach in Panama City Beach. When hurricanes threaten, a couple of us ride down from Atlanta to secure the house. We used to throw 30 or 40 sheets of plywood on the trucks knowing we could sell them at a premium price and make enough to pay for the trip down there. Since Florida enacted the anti-price-gouging law, guess who hauls a couple of pickup truck loads of plywood sheets down to Panama City Beach in order to sell them at the exact same price they paid for them in Atlanta? That’s right – nobody.

        1. Hey…this is no time for name calling!

          Wait! It’s always time for name calling at reason.com!

          Carry on then!

        2. Since I was providing a luxury service at a luxury price, I preferred to think of myself as a prostitute.

          1. “Yeah, you like my wood, don’t you, you dirty little bitch.”
            “There’s no need for name calling, just put it in the back of my pick-up, please.”

            1. Thanks for that, cat – I smiled and laughed!

          2. a prostitute with plywood sheets, sounds like a splinter waiting to happen.

  6. It happened in the aftermath of hurricane Hugo.

    It happened in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.

    It’ll happen in the aftermath of this storm, too!

    The federal dollars haven’t even really started rolling out yet, but when they do? A ton of them will to things that really piss people off…

    Just as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

  7. More on price gouging from Matt Yglesias:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/mon…..icity.html

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/mon…..uging.html

    1. Don’t make fun the retarded kid Hazel. it is not nice.

      1. You are the idiot in this one.

        1. Yglesias is still retarded or at least on the aspy scale. But yeah, Hazel wasn’t picking on him.

          1. Also he was defending price gouging.

          2. for all the girls I’ve gouged before…

        2. Give John some credit for knowing what he doesn’t need to read before making a retarded comment on. It’s so much easier when you can just see an author’s name and assume what he wrote is retarded.

          1. When it is Ygelias, yes the name says it all. Have you ever read him? His is a moron even if he does apparently in this case have a rudementary understanding of supply and demand.

            1. Before these two articles, which I skimmed, I never read anything by them. That being the case, I don’t just automatically assume that something a person writes is retarded. That’s a curse that keeps me reading posts from Tony, Cytotoxic, Shreek, and you.

            2. Yglesias has been known to oppose things like occupational licensing, in addition to laws against price gouging, on economic grounds. He’s not a total ignoramus.

              Ironically, he supports price controls in the health care market. Someone is going to have to explain to him why market pricing working for gasoline, but not cancer treatment.

              1. The comments in response to him are idiotic. Yours is one of the only sane ones.

                1. Read the comments by “Soccer78”. He’s smacking that statists silly.

  8. What really sandpapers my taint is all these people who had days of warning, didn’t evacuate, didn’t do a single goddam thing to prepare, and are now bitching because they are stuck in a disaster zone without having done one goddam thing to prepare.

    1. We had a saying during Katrina that anytime an American misses a meal, they are starving. The weather is nice. It is not like it is a blizzard and you are going to freeze to death. Calm the fuck down and let them fix the things.

      That said, I would be pretty pissed if I were a New Yorker and the city were wasting time and resources running a stupid marathon. But they keep electing that idiot. It is not like this is a surprise. He totally screwed up the response to the snow storm two years ago. Bloomberg is a fanatical moron.

      1. Running the marathon is brilliant.

        To the outside world, it will look like Obama & Co. got everything in working order. Hail Obama, Christie, Bloomie!

        Of course, to New Yorkers/Jerseyans, things will look different. But what are they gonna do…vote Republican? Come on.

        1. If you have a one party state, that is what you get. They should have impeached Bloomberg after the snow storm where it turned out the trucks were plowing the streets of city and union officials at the expense of everyone else. But they didn’t and this is what they get.

      2. I saw Guilliani on CNBC yesterday saying he’d do the same thing–because it’s important to show the world that the City of New York’s spirit can’t be broken. He cited what they kept doing after 9/11 as an example…

        But the storm wasn’t a terrorist attack perpetrated by terrorists with the express purpose of breaking the spirit of New Yorkers.

        That’s what 9/11 was–the storm wasn’t that at all.

        1. I don’t think the Atlantic ocean really gives a shit if they run the marathon or not. And you show New York can’t be broken by turning the power back on.

          1. That’s what I’m sayin’.

        2. That was the excuse when FEMA gave $150 million+ to rebuild the Superdome after Katrina, despite the city’s actual infrastructure being in ruins.

          How convenient for the owners.

        3. Defying Mother Nature? What’s the point of that?

          1. I suggest you do not try succumbing to mother nature….

            You would not last very long.

        4. Bread and circuses

          1. Not even a good circus. Is there any sporting event more boring than a marathon?

            1. Fishing tournaments

              1. A guy catching a big bass is more exciting than watching some Kenyan dude stroll through the city at four and a half minutes a mile.

            2. My God. It’s not a marathon. It’s the Long Walk.

                1. How about the Long March?

                  http://www.history.com/this-da…..long-march

                  Or the Anabasis?

                  http://www.fordham.edu/halsall…..abasis.asp

                  1. Look, I have spoken. It’s a Stephen King joint.

                    1. You try telling that to hard bitten Bronze Age Greek mercs and armed and desperate Chicoms!

            3. Is there any sporting event more boring than a marathon?

              The NBA.

            4. It’s not a sporting event. Bloomberg is going to by-God make you quit eating Cheetos and swilling Coke and GET YOUR ASS OUT THERE AND RUN! you lazy-ass fat bastard.

              1. So will Christie be waddling in it?

              2. It would be even more hilarious if supposedly fit and trim Bloomberg joined in on the marathon, and suffered a heart attack while doing so, with only Christie able to carry him to the closest emergency services.

                1. I think you have a script there, Killaz!

        5. I saw Guilliani on CNBC yesterday saying he’d do the same thing–because it’s important to show the world that the City of New York’s spirit can’t be broken.

          Nothing says spirit like a Kenyan winning a marathon.

        6. The stupid, it drowns.

          Ghoul and Bloomberg should hold a joint press conference where they show off their collection of sea shells obtained from conquering Neptune.

  9. Cry me a fucking river.

    These people WILLINGLY CHOOSE big government. Let them suffer for it.

  10. Report that non-union utility crews from Alabama turned away in NJ

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com…..49061.html

    1. * Rescue crews are reportedly being turned away from New Jersey due to being non-union.

      CUE MY MASSIVE EPI LIKE GUFFAW AT THIS!

      1. Not to pat myself on the back, but I “AM linked” this as well.

  11. Someone left the TV on last night and I heard Rock Center come on over my shoulder as I was on my computer. The first story they did was about Sandy with Brian Williams walking around talking to people. The first person he talked to was a woman from Staten Island who was HOWLING about how the government needed to be there NOW fixing things. I got a good chuckle out of the idiocy of the lady seeing what the government she wanted is capable of.

    1. A couple of cold nights will turn them feral.

      1. It’s statements like this that make me appreciate a world in which there is a “YouTube”!

      2. They’re Staten Islanders. Aren’t they already feral?

    2. Amazed she wasn’t howling that Romney should be rolling up his sleeves and fixing things.

  12. There are parts of New York I wouldn’t advise Bloomberg to invade.

  13. After Isabel, we had a line of people out the door and down the street waiting to buy generators. In the middle of it all, two guys from FEMA show up, walk to the front of the line and demand to buy a generator at a reduced price because they didn’t have power for their outfit.

    My father told them to get to the back of the line and forget about any discounts (in not so nice terms).

    1. Now THAT is something I was had been “YouTubed”.

  14. Those generators are not owned by the city. You guys aren’t advocating government seizure of private property just because you hate ‘big government’ New York, are you?

    1. No, I think you missed the point – ala the NYT, BIG GOVERNMENT was the Alpha and Omega…and now, people see it is clumsy, non-responsive and isn’t going to tuck them safely in at night. The reactions vary from “you made your bed, lie in it!” to “maybe this will wake some people up”. With bonus points for media and campaign knob-slobbing to show how glorious Bloomberg and Christie and O! have made it all better!

    2. Those are most likely rented by the city for the marathon. They could just as easily be rented for some other use.

  15. Schadenfreude is such an ugly color on you, reason.

    1. Huh? I live and pay taxes in New York, and am rooting for it to get better soon.

      1. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT. Enjoying, deep down, that people are seeing their faith in government dependency shaken by reality. No one is enjoying the storm’s effects, except maybe the professional glaziers. Doy.

      2. Matt, don’t make him angry. You won’t like him when he’s angry.

        1. Really, though, who likes anyone when they’re angry? Except maybe Sam Kinison. Doy.

          1. According to some here, gingers in bed but AFTER the angry part…

    2. Really? I’ve always found it quite pleasing.

  16. “This is America, not a third world nation. We need food, we need clothing,” Staten Island Borough President Jim Molinaro said today. “My advice to the people of Staten Island is: Don’t donate the American Red Cross. Put their money elsewhere.”

    This right here, this is fucking classic. Red Cross isn’t here right now helping so don’t give anything to Red Cross that will allow them to get in and help people. Makes me wonder if he pulled a gun and shot himself in the foot right after he said that.

    1. Better the Salvation Army than the Red Cross – in my disaster experience. The Red Cross puts plenty of commercials out showing people at the scene with blankets, soup etc, but they are sclerotic and slow. By the time the ARC gets into action, someone else will have stepped in first.

      1. I agree with you on the points about the Red Cross. I donate to them regularly, but only blood. I’ve heard plenty of stories about their colossal money fuck-ups. That being said, I’m sure that wasn’t anywhere near the thoughts of Mr Molinaro.

        1. Oh, to be sure – he wanted some there fixing his ward RIGHT NOW, DAMMIT!!! Slaver can’t understand why nobody is DOING SOMETHING!!!

          But in terms of efficency, speed and effectiveness, it is still better that any money go to the Salvation Army.

        2. I was reading an article yesterday where someone New York City politician was complaining and in one paragraph went from complaining that they seemed to be placing a priority draining the tunnels to complaining that the Red Cross hadn’t shown up yet.

          Hmmm, you think maybe that’s because it’s hard to get people and supplies to the island owing to all the tunnels in being flooded and THAT’S why opening the tunnels is such a priority?

          1. If food and such really is short, I suspect that not every boat, ship and watercraft in the greater NYC area sank. Yes, the tunnels do need to be cleared, and arguing that is not important is foolish.

          2. The bridges are open.

            1. And clogged with the people who normally come into the city via the tunnels and subways. The fact that increasing the flow of goods into the Island is a priority should not be a suprise.

              1. I am sure closing Verrazano-Narrows for the vaunted Marathon will help congestion immensely.

                1. I agree, they should reroute that first leg to stay out of Staaten Island.

              2. The Lincoln Tunnel is also open. I went into Manhattan across the GWB yesterday and it was no more traffic than usual.

      2. Fuck the Salvation Army AND The Red Cross.

        When in need, turn to Waffle House.

        When a hurricane makes landfall, the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency relies on a couple of metrics to assess its destructive power.

        First, there is the well-known Saffir-Simpson Wind Scale. Then there is what he calls the “Waffle House Index.”

        Green means the restaurant is serving a full menu, a signal that damage in an area is limited and the lights are on. Yellow means a limited menu, indicating power from a generator, at best, and low food supplies. Red means the restaurant is closed, a sign of severe damage in the area or unsafe conditions.

        [. . .]

        Waffle House Inc. has 1,600 restaurants stretching from the mid-Atlantic to Florida and across the Gulf Coast, leaving it particularly vulnerable to hurricanes. Other businesses, of course, strive to reopen as quickly as possible after disasters. But the Waffle House, which spends almost nothing on advertising, has built a marketing strategy around the goodwill gained from being open when customers are most desperate.

        1. More Waffle House brilliance.

          Waffle House is serious about being a 24-hour establishment.
          It does everything it can to keep its stores open, even during natural disasters, reports K. Annabelle Smith at Smithsonian Food & Think.
          For example, Waffle House has a social media “war room.” From the room in Waffle House’s Atlanta HQ, specialists monitor local news and government reports and then tweet out disaster information.
          “We started incorporating the social media last year with Irene and what we found was that people not only in the affected area but people who have family in these cities and haven’t heard from anybody look to that as another source of information about the storm.” Waffle House spokesperson and vice president of culture Pat Warner tells Food & Think.
          “We did it mainly to let our folks know which restaurants were open at first, but after Irene we realized what people were using it for so we really have paid attention to that,” she added.

          Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com…..z2B4vsepHA

          I’d take Waffle House help over FEMA any day.

          1. What happens when the Wafflebot puts Waffle House out of business?

            1. now who will make Bender waffles the way he likes them?

        2. Wal Mart and Waffle House could open a logistics school that all should attend.

          But the Salvation Army helps with a bit more than tasty sausage, biscuits and gravy 🙂

          1. Sausage, biscuits, and gravy. That’s the problem with Southern cuisine, you are hungry all over again forty eight hours later.

    2. Maybe it’s motivated in part by the Red Cross’s criticism of Mitt Romney’s campaign gathering food and clothing – and cash- for those affected by Sandy. They wanted cash and blood donations only!

  17. Just as long as Stop and Frisk continues uninterrupted.

    1. Of course. There are procedures to be followed, after all!

    2. Oh, it just occurred to me – how many “looters” will end up shot whilst fleeing?

      1. how many “looters” will end up shot whilst fleeing?

        Uniformed, or otherwise?

  18. The New York Post is hammering Bloomberg for diverting generators to the marathon that could (needless to say) be better used elsewhere.

    Perhaps they could, but that doesn’t mean they would be if the marathon were cancelled. This reeks of knee-jerk socialism (“if I don’t have power, it’s not fair that anyone else does!”).

    1. You’re right of course, Stormy. The generators would just go to some other purpose, which couldn’t POSSIBLY be better than a disaster-area marathon.

      1. Yes, clearly the city needs to be seizing all generators so that the Emergency Generator Agency can make sure they’re all distributed to the right uses. Right now, there could be evil people all over new york engaged in frivilous electricification!

        1. They were already rented, just being used for the marathon, yes? Therefore you agree that this is the best use for them?

          1. From the New York Post:

            The New York Road Runners Club, which organizes the world-famous race, is paying for the generators, which were supplied by Long Island-based On Site Energy for the massive, 80-yard-long tent, which also will be used by runners carbo-loading during a pre-race pasta dinner tomorrow.

            They’re not my generators, so what I think should be done with them doesn’t count for squat. If you’re so desperate for people in Staaten Island to have one, why don’t YOU go buy them one instead of demanding the government steal them from other people?

            1. What we’re “demanding” the government do is stop using them for a stupid marathon. None of us ever said they should be “seized” at all. You’re either being willfully obtuse or your trolling. Either way you’re being stupid.

            2. Uh, I’m pretty sure people were commenting under the assumption that the generators were rented by the government, based on the summary here, so chill. I think everybody pretty much agrees with you.

              1. Whoa there Jordan, you need to stop stirring the pot. I’ve got this. I’ve learned how to convince from the best: T o n y, Derider, Buttplug, you name it, I’ve studied their technique. We’ll be back to our usual hivemind in no time.

            3. If you think there are no city resources going into this marathon, I have some lovely Water Street property to sell you.

              1. Then by all means, cut off the city funding, but that’s not what this situation is about. I just checked the website for the company providing the generators and they are right this minute still offering other generators for rent. This is about the people in Staten Island expecting the government in New York City to swoop in, sieze up all the privately owned generators and makes sure they’re being distributed “fairly”. Because even though the marathon renting one is not preventing them from renting one, dammit it’s not fair they can afford a generator unless I get one too!

                1. Then you aren’t reading the articles I’m reading. The one Reason links to is one of the few that say government should just take them (with compensation). A lot of other articles say Bloomberg should just cancel the marathon period so those resources will go elsewhere (which is part of the article Reason links as well).

                  1. It’s not a government event, who is Bloomberg to be shutting it down? Can he shut down other private enterprises to make sure their resources go elsewhere? The NYSE has generators after all. Maybe he should shut them down until the power is back on in New Jersey. After all, it’s so unseemly to have all those wealthy stock traders making money while people huddle in the dark without even food. Maybe close all the cities restaurants so the food will be available to the neddy.

                2. Bullshit. As I said downthread, but for the massive amount of public resources required, the NYC Marathon would not be a ‘thing’ and those resources would be freed for disaster relief.

            4. I don’t want them taken from anyone, I had, incorrectly, assumed the City had rented them – the runners club can do whatever they like with them.

              1. To be fair, I assumed that as well. If they’re private goods, they shouldn’t simply be “seized”.

        2. Uh, to my knowledge those generators weren’t “seized”, they were rented. So your point is invalid.

          1. They were owned by a private company, which chose to rent them to another private organization. The people demanding they be used elsewhere are arguing the government should swoop in and start telling the private owners what to do with their property. That would be seizing them.

            1. Except that the organization running the marathon is the government. If they canceled the event, which is what many are calling for, those generators would be freed up for another purpose. Which isn’t “seizing” them.

              1. No, the marathon is run by a priavte organization, The New York Road Runners club. Most of the funding is provided by the corporate sponsor ING and the fees paid by participant. Now yes, there is probably some public funding and that should be eliminated, but that’s not the actual complaint here. The complaint is that the private market in generators continues to operate and this is resulting in “unfair” allocation to the “wrong” people. It’s socialism plain and simple.

                1. This is absolutely asinine.

                  There is massive police support for the marathon. The bridges and streets have to be closed and blocked off.

                  And yes, committing city resources to this is the actual complaint. The generators, desperately needed in a crisis situation, are a symbol of that despite the relatively uninteresting detail that they are privately owned. But for the massive government intervention required to pull this thing off, those generators would be rented out for thousands of dollars an hour.

                  1. Who is paying for that police support? I don’t know the details of the New York City budget, but I know that for similar events in Philadelphia, the organization running the event has to pay for all the police support.

                    1. What is it about “they’re closing the bridges and roads” escapes you?

                      And oh hey, now there are reports that those people without homes have no place to stay, because they normally would check into a hotel, but guess what?

                    2. How does closing bridges and roads in Manhattan for a few hours prevent storm cleanup in New Jersey?

                    3. Is New Jersey the only place that needs cleaning up?

                      I sure am glad that everything is back to normal and we can get on with clearing the marathon route. I am sure there isn’t more pressing clean up or anything that could go on in its stead.

                    4. So on one hand you’re bitching that the marathon route is in the storm affected areas, and on the other hand you’re upset that they’re clearing the marathon route instead of cleaning the storm affected areas.

                      So they’re clearing the roads you want cleared, but how dare they be clearing with the wrong motivation!

                    5. What? I said neither of those things. You are a total clown on this issue.

                    6. The race organizers pay for the police overtime.

                    7. Are they paying the market rate that oh, say, someone trapped on their roof on the Lower East Side or on Long Island would pay?

                    8. Beat’s me. I also couldn’t find a source on whether it’s officers that would normally not be working anyway.

                      I think having the marathon is silly.

                    9. “Beats me.” Need drugs to keep going…

                2. The government could simply PAY the marathon organizers to use the generators to supply (say) gas depots that are out of service due to lack of power.

                  You know, just compensation and all that.

                  One of the things that I hate most about progressives is that they routinely embrace the socialist notion of just seizing shit because the public needs it. When it’s eminently more politically palatable to get exactly what they want just by offering private parties just competition instead of simply seizing shit.

                  This is one of the reason why I think progressives are more motivated by envy than by concern for the common good. If they weren’t motivated by envy against the better off they would simply advocate that the government PAY FOR the resources they wish to redistribute.

    2. No.

      It’s not a knee jerk reatcion.

      It’s assessing the situation realistically.

      People need power, which right now is a limited resource, and that resource is being used on a tent for marathon runners.

      Dumb fuck.

      1. I don’t think, if those generators are being rented by a private group, they should be “seized”. Buy I DO think Bloomberg could cancel the marathon, leaving them free to be used for something more useful. Heck, the government could go ahead and rent them itself if it thought it could put them somewhere useful.

        1. Buy I DO think Bloomberg could cancel the marathon, leaving them free to be used for something more useful.

          As I said, the supplier still has generators available, so even if the marathon were cancelled, there’s no reason to think they’d be going someplace “more useful”. Everyone who want to rent one at the price they are charging has apparently already done so. If they weren’t at the marathon, they’d just be sitting in storage waiting for a customer like the other unrented generators.

          1. Uh, yes there is. Because if those were available, then the supplier would lower its prices due to an overabundance of supply.

            1. I think he’s saying that there ALREADY IS an “overabundance”, or surplus, since there are still surplus generators sitting around not being bought.

          2. Come one Stormy, why do you have to bring logic and economics into this?

            1. The New York Marathon offers the perfect oppurtunity for the Galitans supermen to gambol through the lower east side in their gold-dollar-sign running shoes, laughing at the poor as they huddle, starving, in their fridged hovels. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR ME!

  19. My advice to the people of Staten Island is: Don’t donate the American Red Cross.

    Fuck the Red Cross. NOBODY should give them money.

  20. Well, if civilization is only 3 meals away from anarchy, I guess we learned that it is only 3 days without power as well.

  21. Also, this morning in NPR, NPR was so disquieted by the very concept of legalizing price gouging that thye managed to tell an entire story about how economists are saying that government should let prices rise, without ever explaining said economists arguments. No mention, for example, of how higher prices might incentivize people to transport more gasoline to the area to manually supply people with red five-gallon gas jugs. The closest they came was saying people would “consume less” if prices were higher. It’s like they couldn’t bear to actually have to think through the logic of how the price mechanism works. On the air especially. What would people think of them if they dared to publicly understand the profit motive?

    1. A robust explanation of supply and demand, market pricing, and the like doesn’t exactly mesh with their “We need MOAR TAX MONEY NOW!” mantra.

      1. They spend most of the segment arguing that if government forced people to pay for gas with cash that would limit how much gas people were able to hoard.

    2. That profit is evil?

  22. Has anyone seen a ConEd crew in Westchester? Last I checked there were more “customers” without power there than any single boro in NYC. Seems it is the forgotten location in this Sandymess

    1. No, haven’t seen one. Been trying to stay off the roads though.

  23. While the generators provide a very visceral image, they aren’t the real issue. The marathon will require lots of city services (police, amubulance, traffic control, trash collection) that could better be utilized elsewhere at this time.

    1. Sort of like BO and Christie visiting wreckage in NJ.

      Do you have any idea how many first responders have to babysit President Photo-Op when he ventures beyond the golf course?

  24. By the way, I really disappointed that so many people who ought to know better turn into Wesley Mouch after one measly hurricane. All you (literal) fair-weather libertarians can turn in your top hats and monocles now!

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