Anarchists Are Planning Lots of Violent, Extremist Things for the Conventions, Warns Law Enforcement
The FBI and police warn, in a vague, but ominous sort of way, that anarchists and other "extremist" folks are planning scary things for the upcoming Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida.
Now, is there a good chance that when thousands of people, including some of the radical political persuasion, gather, some not okay property damage will happen? Of course. However, is there an even bigger chance that the rumored threats, which this time 'round include anarchists using improvised explosive devices and "acid-filled eggs" are wildly overhyped? Definitely.
as of March, the FBI had intelligence indicating individuals from New York "planned to travel to Tampa and attempt to close" all of the Tampa Bay-area bridges during the Republican National Convention next week.
According to the document, the FBI's information as of March showed that anarchist extremists proposed "engaging in potentially destructive criminal activities against critical infrastructure outside the security perimeter throughout the Tampa Bay region because they expected access to the main RNC venue to be tightly controlled."
Now seems like a great time to point out what kind of "critical infrastructure" the RNC has. It includes A $50 million tax payer-funded"security perimeter" and other safety measure such as an eight-foot security fence, a $273,000 SWAT truck, and drones overhead. "Suspicious" bricks and pipes were recently seized by nervous Tampa Police, as were 16 prostitutes, for some reason.
Also, as the Tampa Bay Times reports:
Fox News reported that the bulletin, titled "Potential For Violent or Criminal Action By Anarchist Extremists During The 2012 National Political Conventions," says extremists probably can't get past the high fences, roadblocks and other tight security that will surround the convention itself.
So instead, the network reported, the bulletin said extremists could target nearby infrastructure outside the convention's secure perimeter, including businesses and transit systems and could use tactics that include throwing Molotov cocktails or acid-filled eggs.
CNN reported the bulletin notes that anarchists have a history of trying to disrupt major events by blocking streets, intersections and bridges, interfering with business or public transportation and in some instances have "initiated violent confrontations with police." At the 2008 RNC in St. Paul, Minn., the bulletin said, anarchists discussed blocking bridges and skywalks, taking over a radio station, targeting corporations and identifying hotels where delegates were staying.
Do you know who else has a history of disrupting movement and blocking bridges and roadways? The planners and the police during every single G20, WTO, or RNC or DNC summit or conference. Not to condone violence, or even blocking average people's progress around the city, but it's hard to keep a straight face when there are dire Law Enforcement warnings of violations of "public safety" and "public transportation" when for three days, these events impede, harass, and stifle normal people from going about their business.
And public safety is undoubtedly violated when police use violent tactics against protesters who pose no threat to anyone, even those with the audacity to trespass past the insane security lockdowns. So are the pre-emptive raids on anarchist gatherings, most notably pre-2008 RNC, but also most recently the FBI's search for "anarchist literature" in the homes of Occupy activists. That does not make me feel safe. Nor does this soothing PSA from the Tampa Police, even if they admit that anarchists are not particularly dangerous, just disruptive. It is good PR to say that you support, or understand, legitimate protest, but the extent that law enforcement will be controlling this event means that it's not really free speech.
Pittsburgh G-20, which I witnessed, was of course a perfect storm of law enforcement excess that mostly flew under the radar. A few black-clad protesters rolled a dumpster or two, the LRAD sound weapon was tested on said dumper-rollers, some more black-clad folks on the next night caused $50,000 in damages. But 200 people, mostly college students in their own neighborhoods, were arrested, pepper-gassed, and chased by hundreds of riot cops, with most arrested on the night after the conference was completed.
The chance that a rogue protester at the RNC or DNC will do something worse than break a few windows is not zero, but the chance that cops will crack down on legitimate protest is much, much higher. It's pretty much a guarantee.
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Wouldn't acid in an egg dissolve the egg?
Not if it is a plastic egg.
Won't most acids dissolve most plastic eggs?
Not if it is a glass egg.
Paint stripper in a regular old chicken egg works well.
Not if it is a Faberge egg
I don't think most plastics are particularly susceptible to most acids.
You are thinking of Polyethylene.
Most plastics are not Polyethylene...though it is the largest minority. =)
A quick check on plastic easter eggs yields this.
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The good bit:
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You'd know the answer if you'd watched Breaking Bad.
Walter did tell Jesse to get Polyethylene tubs.
Jesse never listens.
That stupid kid.
"Suspicious" bricks and pipes were recently seized by nervous Tampa Police, as were 16 prostitutes, for some reason.
It's not too hard to think of several reasons. Too bad the RNC convention wasn't in Columbia. US hookers are pretty sub-par. Except for some of the ones in Nevada, if the HBO show Cathouse is to be believed.
Yes, several reasons:
http://www.theonion.com/video/tampa-b.....-of,29263/
Cathouse hos are mostly nastoids.
STOP CALLING THEM ANARCHISTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
That is what my horrible anarchist best friends tells me whenever I mention anarcho-capitalism. Sniff.
You need better best friends. Luckily, you have us!
But he is my cousin and I lurrrrrvee him. And I actually respect his views more than mainstream political ones.
Still, I like y'all, too.
Lucy, all of us of the anarchist persuasion here at HitUndRun would like you to refer to these non-anarchist "anarchists" as something else. I suggest Chaosists, Generals Disarray, or Dipshits.
Griefists?
Assholes.
Well, since they're coming to Tampa, how about flanarchists? Or flamencoarchists?
How about your mom?
Momarchists?
Flaming tampans.
Ya know, at least at the '68 democratic convention, they threatened to put acid in the water supply. Now, that would have been an awesome party!
all of us of the anarchist persuasion here at HitUndRun = Epi
And me.
Balaclavaists.
Balaclavaists?
How about Balaclavaists?
How about your mom?
Calling them "refusals" has both cache and govt endorsement.
How about we call them what they are. Statist Slavers, which is the opposite of Anarchist. They don't know what Anarchy means buts they think it makes them sound edgy 'cause they're idiots.
I usually refer to them as "nihilists" to distinguish them from the anarcho-capitalists on the right and the various flavors of anarcho-socialists on the left. Anarchists don't want government, nihilists don't want any order, not even the emergent order of voluntary social interactions.
True anarchist don't want any government which is not what these a**holes are.
commie fucksticks
I like General Disarray.
They're not real nihilists either. Every true nihilist that ever existed immediately killed them self upon becoming one.
Big-government anarchists.
Xaositects.
+1 Tony DiTerlizzi-drawn woman for you
Only if you stop calling leftists "liberals" first.
See, everybody stole everybody else's words, so it gets all complicated.
I can just call my BF an Occutard, if you all prefer.
He is not. Really? Come on.
He is seriously one of my favorite people in the universe.
These things happen!
One of my other favorite people is almost a neo-confederate Virginian.
At least neo-confederatism is an ethos.
I can just call my BF an Occutard....He is seriously one of my favorite people in the universe.
So you are saying that while his brain is seriously lacking he is hung like a horse? I see.
Ugh, I forgot that BF doesn't stand for best friend.
Also, see the word cousin above.
That's a little better. Dating a Stupefier would affect your writing, I fear.
Also, see the word cousin above
But aren't you one of those homeschooled hillbillies? I did see the word cousin and that is what made me think what I did.
"Also, see the word cousin above."
What state?
Oh, that's much better. Still, I'm always available to punch your friends until they become smarter.
Thank you. I may take you up on that someday.
Are they exclusive in Western PA?
"He is seriously one of my favorite people in the universe.
These things happen!"
Some chicks dig the dirty boys.
True story.
One of my other favorite people is almost a neo-confederate Virginian.
I would sleep with a racist if she was hot.
I feel you Lucy. My BF is a cop...
Are you joking?
...Do you want me to punch him until he gets smarter?
I like weirdos who believe stupid things but are good people.
I mean, I talk to guys, don't I?
(And the Virginian is really just a libertarian history nerd when it comes down to it.)
Your forgetting of the "you" there makes you sound like a magnificent misandrist, Lucy. Is that RC's Law?
I don't think it's quite RC's law, because it just sounds like I am going to go shoot Andy Warhol.
Let's call it a Freudian slip.
The SCUM Manifesto 2: The Wrath Of Lucy
I like weirdos who believe stupid things but are good people.
I'm a square who believes stupid things and am somewhat of an asshole.
1 out of 3 ain't bad??
Libertarian history nerd Virginian? There's two of us?
Unless your name is Steve, yes, there are two.
Today Virginia, tomorrow....well why the hell would I want to leave Virginia? It's the nicest state in the country.
Especially for a history nerd.
Don't worry. The other one's first name is West.
Libertarian neo-confederate history nerd
Lucy, Lew Rockwell is way too old for you.
I, too, am disturbed. Perhaps my contempt for the Stupefy movement has been too understated?
In fairness i think the communists got a hold of anarchist before the Episiarchs of the world ever wanted it.
Epi, what have I told you about smashing up buildings with your Black Bloc friends?
Because I broke the windows! Anarchist, bitches! YEEEEEHAAAAWWWW!"
Shouldn't that be "neo-Keynesian, bitches!"?
Yes, could you guys just give Tampa a pass? Charlotte's much easier to loot. Tampa's all spread out and stuff.
Meh. Amateurs. They ain't got nothing on hockey fans.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/308017
Ok who keeps shuffling the order of the stories?!?!
I am looking at you Steigerwald!
I posted too early, dang it!
Anarchist?
Florida has pretty liberal gun laws. And they are also a castle doctrine state. I would just let the Florida property owners take care of their own.
You are correct about Florida and guns BUT we are talking about Tampa and the level of wiennieness in Tampa never ceases to amaze. As soon as you leave the city limits you'll find people who are willing and able to take care of their own but they mainly avoid Tampa unless they have some urgent reason to be there.
Would it kill these anarchists to send out a memo so we're all on the same page?
What are you talking about? Acid-filled eggs are an excellent way for extremist law enforcement nutwits to pull in millions from pathetically weak-kneed and mentally impotent governance.
Remember:
It's only okay to be an anarchist if you're the kind that protests at G8 summits and Occupy events.
Say, that reminds me... Right before the NATO summit in Chicago earlier this year, police arrested a would-be protestor and confiscated his homebrewing equipment. Now, three months later, we learn that Obama keeps his tour bus stocked with homebrew. Am I suggesting that Obama's campaign is fueled by beer brewed with confiscated anarchist equipment? I'm not NOT suggesting it.
Let's let V remind everyone what anarchy really means:
Anarchy means "without leaders", not "without order". With anarchy comes an age of ordnung, of true order, which is to say voluntary order... this age of ordung will begin when the mad and incoherent cycle of verwirrung that these bulletins reveal has run its course... This is not anarchy, Eve. This is chaos.
Yes, that puts it rather nicely.
It is just a retarded for of Marxism. Marxist utopia is anarchy. You finally get everyone to the proper political consciousness and you don't need government anymore. Same thing here.
you don't need government anymore
Nope. Just a few of these:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rRFM.....nicorn.jpg
Amazingly I used "unicorn farts" to describe why we had to vote for a change in our local government yesterday. Most people voted against the proposal but I for one will miss the chance to pay higher taxes and see magical unicorn farts.
Not really, Marxism is impractical for economic reasons and reasons pertaining to human nature.
An-caps like Rothbard look at how to best dismantle the state while maintaining the capitalist system of private ownership and freedom of contract. If you're a minarchist you should become an anarchist first and, if you are correct about the impractability of anarchy, wait for a minarchy to form.
I am perfectly willing to ride the anarchist train and get off when it passes by the minarchist station. But the anarchists won't let me on the train because I am a FUCKING STATIST TOOL!!!11!
Greek, anarch?a lawlessness, literally, lack of a leader.
I am not an anarchist, yet it still annoys me that people use "anarchy" and "chaos" as interchangeable words.
It can mean civil disorder, but I think it's a little risky to use the term about the people practicing it, because it confuses rabble-rousers with political anarchists.
IIRC, lawlessness would be anomia.
How does nemocracy sound? Too DnD?
Without rulers.
There's a difference between leaders and rulers. Rulers have divine rights, or special rights granted by a consensus of the people.
Leaders have the same rights as everyone else.
Is that just the foot-long rulers or all lengths of measuring sticks?
Just the ones that are the distance between Henry I's tip of his nose and the end of his thumb.
I was thinking the same thing. A leader is a person that others choose to follow. A ruler compels obedience through forcible domination. It's the difference between a lover and a rapist.
Anarchy
This about sums it up.
Were the Republicans smart enough to pick Tampa because it will either be hotter than hell or a hurricane? Either way, I can't imagine too many protestors enduring it for long.
It's blazing hot today. Tampa hasn't been hit by a hurricane in nearly 90 years, so that's not that much of a gamble. The storm looks like it's missing us, maybe completely.
Yeah after a day or two of "Hurricane warning" crap at Drudge i got around to clicking on the map of the Hurricane path...
The hurricane has to travel though Cuba and Haiti to get to Tampa.
Last I check when hurricanes hit land they quickly stop being hurricanes.
This whole thing is just another Drudge hyper-alarms based on nothing of substance.
Yeah, my sister is in Bradenton just south of Tampa and there are always hurricanes headed toward there and they always change direction or peter out before hitting the coast.
all of us of the anarchist persuasion here at HitUndRun would like you to refer to these non-anarchist "anarchists" as something else. I suggest Chaosists, Generals Disarray, or Dipshits.
How about vandals? That's pretty much all they are.
They're Spartacists, really, when you get down to it.
"God bless their hearts." -Nancy Pelosi
"I believe some of the deligates will be staying at the local Meriott."
Hey, look Ma! i'm a anarchist!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....27981.html
Tony will lap this shit right up.
It's a good thing that I keep a large bucket next to my desk for just such an emergency.
I've got yer anarchy right here *grabs crotch suggestively*.
De minimis non curat lex.
Entra tutto
En vino veritas.
Don't tempt me, JJ.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....27981.html
Tony will lap this shit right up.
during WTO in seattle (and N30 and...) it became pretty clear early on that the VAST majority of the protesters were there to have their voices heard, not to break window glass at niketown to strike a blow against corporashuns (while wearing nike shoes), not to throw bottles at cops etc.
the eugene contingent was well organized. they made training videos. not videos on how to engage in conscientious objection and passive resistance, but training videos on how to break shit, while hiding identity and get away with it.
on the whole, they are a bunch of children, intent on breaking shit that is not their own because they feel that society isn't listening to their (moronic) demands.
over and over i saw legitimate protesters get frustrated and try to prevent the anarchist assmunches from breaking shit (ditto in oakland, but unlike oakland i saw this shit firsthand in seattle and tacoma) and to prevent them from turning a peaceful protest into a battle royale.
these fucksticks aren;'t about accomplishing anything, they are just about trying to drag others down to a baser level and to be a modern criminal monkeywrench gang
i am sure some cops were more than happy the anarchists were there, since it gave them an excuse to go into full bore RIOT COP MODE (tm). let's be honest about that.
but over and over i saw peaceful protest, and the initial goading would start verbally (hooded anarchist standing in front of my partner and calling him a "fucking N***er" over and over to try to get a reaction. when that didn't work, they devolved and as always it ended up with them throwing shit , breaking shit, and acting like the children that they are.
they aren't interested in discourse. they are interested in fucking shit up
heck, our chief made it clear that any officers who wanted leave to PARTICIPATE in the protests would be allowed to do so. protest if fine. breaking shit is not
Yeah the only time I'm okay with cops in riot gear throwing tear gas and swinging billy clubs is when they are actually protecting private property, ie storefronts and parked cars, from rioters and looters.
You mean, protecting insurance companies.
Since private entities will almost certainly pay a deductible for any damage and definitely higher premiums for years as a result of the rioters' lawless acts, is there a difference?
Not necessarily. I guess it varies from policy to policy and state to state. My property damage and theft is written into my general liability which has no deductible. And in my state, they will, generally, not raise your rates for one incident. However, if there's a second incident within the same year, there's a good chance they will drop you, and then you can find it difficult, or expensive to get another policy.
That's a great photo of Lucy.
I do greatly covet that aviator cap!
That looks like Doherty crouching in the background.
And it must be a LEAP guy looking backwards for someone on horseback to start trouble.
Hmm, they are on to me.....
I mean I consider myself to be a rational anarchist and I know that during the conventions I've got tons of violence planned.
I mean I know several dozen orcs on Zek that need killing and we won't even talk about those damn centaurs in Thundering Steppes. Plus I might even get some more time to explore Skyrim some more and we all know how much violence that will lead to. Course that all pales in comparison to the closed Beta I am participating in where I get to pilot an 80 ton walking death machine and destroy entire cities.
One thing is for sure, Its gonna take a LOT more than some silly, useless protest to get any real results!
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I would have paid cash money if Lucy had placed only the words "fried chicken" on page 2.
If by "anarchists" you mean various offshoots of that Pro-government pep-rally, also known as "The Occupy Movement" then I know who you're talking about.
Otherwise, are there people out there who really believe in less government? Where do I sign up?