Are Rape Jokes Funny?

Daniel Tosh isn't the first comedian to have told a controversial rape joke.


Abortion was still illegal in 1970. At the time, as both an underground abortion referral service and a stand-up satirist, I faced an undefined paradox. Irreverence was my only sacred cow, yet I wouldn't allow victims to become the target of my humor. There was one particular routine I did that called for a "rape-in" of legislators' wives in order to impregnate them so that they would then convince their husbands to decriminalize abortion.

But my feminist friends objected. I resisted at first, because it was such a well-intentioned joke. And then I reconsidered. Even in a joke, why should women be assaulted because men made the laws? Legislators' wives were the victims in that joke, but the legislators themselves were the oppressors, and their hypocrisy was really my target. But for me to stop doing that bit of comedy wasn't self-censorship. Rather, it was, I rationalized, a matter of conscious evolution.

* * *

Now, in July 2012, more than four decades later, rape-joking triggered a widespread controversy when a woman who prefers to remain anonymous went to a comedy club, expecting to be entertained. She chose the Laugh Factory in Hollywood because Dane Cook was on the bill, but he was followed by Daniel Tosh, and she had never heard of him.

In an email to her Tumblr blogger friend, she accused Tosh of saying that "rape jokes are always funny, how can a rape joke not be funny, rape jokes are hilarious." She was so offended that she felt morally compelled to shout, "Actually, rape jokes are never funny!" Tosh paused and then seized the opportunity, responding, "Wouldn't it be funny if that girl got raped by like five guys? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her?"

The audience laughed raucously. After all, isn't anyone who yells at a comedian practically asking to become an immediate target? But this woman was stunned and humiliated, and she left. In the lobby, she demanded to see the manager, who apologized profusely and gave her free tickets for another night—admitting, however, that she understood if this woman never wanted to return.

In her email, she concluded that, "having to basically flee while Tosh was enthusing about how hilarious it would be if I was gang-raped in that small, claustrophobic room was pretty viscerally terrifying and threatening all the same, even if the actual scenario was unlikely to take place. The suggestion of it is violent enough and was meant to put me in my place."

She added, "Please reblog and spread the word." And indeed, it went viral.

Coincidentally, on the same night that Tosh, in his signature sarcastic approach to reality, provoked the woman, Sarah Silverman was performing at Foxwords Casino and she touched upon the same taboo subject:

"We need more rape jokes. We really do. Needless to say, rape, the most heinous crime imaginable, seems it's a comic's dream, though. It's because it seems when you do rape jokes, that the material is so dangerous and edgy, and the truth is, it's like the safest area to talk about in comedy, 'cause who's gonna complain about a rape joke? Rape victims? They don't even report rape. They're just traditionally not complainers."

Ironically, in The Aristocrats, a documentary entirely about a classic joke of the same name, Silverman complained that she was once raped by show-biz legend Joe Franklin.

* * *

In the fall of 1981, I booked myself for a cross-country tour, from New York to Chicago, Minneapolis, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.

While I was in New York, a nun was raped. When I got to Chicago, the rapist was also there. He had given himself up to the police. On stage I explained the true reason why: "He heard that the Mafia, in a rush of Christian compassion, put a $25,000 contract out on his life." That part was true. "So now I'm asking the Mafia to use their clout to end the war in El Salvador since four nuns were raped and killed there." They must've heard my request. By the time I got to Los Angeles, the Herald-Examiner was reporting that the Mafia was "probably the largest source of arms for the rebels in El Salvador."

In the spring of 1982, there was a Radical Humor Festival at New York University. That weekend, the festival sponsored an evening of radical comedy. The next day, my performance was analyzed by an unofficial women's caucus. Robin Tyler ("I am not a lesbian comic—I am a comic who is a lesbian") served as the spokesperson for their conclusions. What had caused a stir was my reference to the use of turkey basters by single mothers-to-be who were attempting to impregnate themselves by artificial insemination.

Tyler explained to me, "You have to understand, some women still have a hang-up about penetration."

Well, I must have been suffering from Delayed Punchline Syndrome, because it wasn't until I was on a plane, contemplating the notion that freedom of absurdity transcends gender difference, that I finally did respond, in absentia: "Yeah, but you have to understand, some men still feel threatened by turkey basters."

* * *

Although Tosh is a consistently unapologetic performer for the sardonic material he exudes on his Comedy Central series—which features a running theme of rape jokes, even including one about his sister—for this occasion he decided to go the Twitter route: "All the out of context misquotes aside, I'd like to sincerely apologize." He also tweeted, "The point I was making before I was heckled is there are awful things in the world but you can still make jokes about them."

According to Jamie Masada, owner of the Laugh Factory, Tosh asked the audience, "What you guys wanna talk about?" Someone called out "Rape," and a woman in the audience started screaming, "No, rape is painful, don't talk about it." Then, says Masada, "Daniel came in, and he said, 'Well, it sounds like she's been raped by five guys'—something like that. I didn't hear properly. It was a comment—it wasn't a joke at the expense of this girl." Masada claims that she sat through the rest of Tosh's performance, which received a standing ovation, before she complained to the manager.

Fellow comedians defended Tosh with their own tweets. Dane Cook: "If you journey through this life easily offended by other peoples words I think it's best for everyone if you just kill yourself." Doug Stanhope: "You're hilarious. If you ever apologize to a heckler again I will rape you." Louis C.K.: "your show makes me laugh every time I watch it. And you have pretty eyes"—except that he wrote it after watching Tosh on TV, but before he learned about the Laugh Factory incident. Nevertheless, he was excoriated and accused of being a "rape apologist."

But C.K. himself is no stranger to sexual-assault jokes. Onstage, he has said that he's against rape—"unless you have a reason, like you wanna fuck someone and they won't let you, in which case what other option do you have?"

Conversely, on the second episode of his series, Louie, on the FX channel, he reversed such roles. After leaving a bar with an especially aggressive woman, Laurie (played by Melissa Leo), he had inadvertently met earlier, she performs fellatio on him in her pickup truck, then insists that he in turn perform cunnilingus on her. And he refuses.

So, she attacks him physically with unabashed viciousness, mounts him, and he gives in to her demand. In other words, Laurie rapes Louie. No joke. To watch this scene was positively jaw-dropping. It served as a reminder of how often comedians—and their jaded audiences—find prison-rape jokes not only to be funny, but also, as in the case of Jerry Sandusky, an act of delayed justice resulting in laughter that morphs into applause.

Meanwhile, reacting to the Tosh tirade, Julie Burton, president of the Women's Media Center, stated:

"If free speech permits a comedian to suggest a woman in his audience should be gang-raped, then it certainly permits us to object, and to ask what message this sends to survivors or to perpetuators. Tosh's comment was just one extreme example of pop culture's dismissive treatment of sexualized violence, which desensitizes audiences to enormous human suffering. Internet outcry is encouraging, but popular media needs to push back too."

And the original blogger posted another message:

"My friend and I wanted to thank everyone for there [sic] support and for getting this story out there. We just wanted everyone to know what Daniel Tosh had done and if you didn't agree then to stop following him. My friend is surprised to have gotten any form of an apology and doesn't wish to press any further charges against [him]." What? Press charges? Rape is a crime. Rape jokes aren't. They are the risk of free speech. The blog post concluded, "She does plan on returning to comedy shows in the future, but to see comedians that she's seen before or to at least look up artists before going to their shows."

Wait till she finds out Dane Cook suggested that she kill herself.

* * *

What's funny is always subjective but not incapable of alteration. Now, over 40 years since I stopped presenting my concept about a rape-in of legislators' wives, I have changed my mind about that decision in the process of writing this piece. I sent the first draft around to several friends, and I was particularly touched by a response from Emma Cofod, production manager at my publisher, Counterpoint/Soft Skull Press:

"Thank you for sharing this! I truly appreciate your thoughts here. I read about this woman's complaint last week, and the whole event turned my stomach. What Tosh did was personally threatening, which is not OK. But even though I fall neatly into the feminist camp, I think your original joke is hilarious—within context, and coming from a comedian whose philosophy I identify with. Color me conflicted."

I think that kind of conflict is healthy. And then the other shoe of my epiphany dropped when I saw Louis C.K.'s appearance on The Daily Show. This is what he told Jon Stewart between interruptions:

"If this [controversy about Tosh] is like a fight between comedians and bloggers—hyperbole and garbage comes out of those two places, just uneducated, unfettered—it's also a fight between comedians and feminists, because they're natural enemies, because, stereotypically speaking, feminists can't take a joke, and on the other side, comedians can't take criticism. Comedians are big pussies. So to one side you say, 'If you don't like a joke, stay out of the comedy clubs.' To the other side you say, 'If you don't like criticism, stop Googling yourself every ten seconds, because nobody's making you read it.' It's positive. To me, all dialogue is positive. I think you should listen.

"If somebody has the opposite feeling from me, I wanna hear it so I can add to mine. I don't wanna obliterate theirs with mine, that's how I feel. Now, a lot of people don't feel that way. For me, any joke about anything bad is great, that's how I feel. Any joke about rape, a Holocaust, the Mets—aarrgghh, whatever—any joke about something bad is a positive thing. But now I've read some blogs during this whole that made me enlightened at things I didn't know. This woman said how rape is something that polices women's lives, they have a narrow corridor, they can't go out late, they can't go to certain neighborhoods, they can't dress a certain way, because they might—I never—that's part of me now that wasn't before, and I can still enjoy the rape jokes.

"But this is also about men and women, because a lot of people are trading blogs with each other, couples are fighting about Daniel Tosh and rape jokes—that's what I've been reading in blogs—but they're both making a classic gender mistake, because the women are saying, 'Here's how I feel about this,' but they're also saying, 'My feelings should be everyone's primary concern.' Now the men are making this mistake, they're saying, 'Your feelings don't matter, your feelings are wrong and your feelings are stupid.' If you've ever lived with a woman, you can't step in shit worse than that, than to tell a woman that her feelings don't matter. So, to the men I say, 'Listen to what the women are saying about this.' To the women I say, "Now that we heard you, shut the fuck up for a minute, and let's all get back together and kill the Jews.' That's all I have to say about it."

The audience laughed and applauded, as they did fifty years ago when Lenny Bruce ended a riff on prejudice: "Randy, it won't matter any more even if you are colored and I'm Jewish, and even if Fritz is Japanese, and Wong is Greek, because then we're all gonna stick together—and beat up the Polacks."

My notion of a rape-in of legislators' wives in order to impregnate them was no more to be taken literally than C.K.'s killing the Jews or Lenny's beating up the Polacks. Rape-in was a misunderstood metaphor; a pro-choice parable that, unfortunately, has become timely again.

Paul Krassner publishes the infamous Disneyland Memorial Orgy poster. Two of his books, both expanded and updated, have just been published: a collection, Pot Stories for the Soul; and his autobiography, Confessions of a Raving, Unconfined Nut: Misadventures in the Counterculture. All three items are available at paulkrassner.com.

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  1. Taking offense is play-acting at victimhood. You’re not really a victim of anything but your own different sensibilities.

    Are rape jokes funny? Obviously, there are as many different answers as there are different comedy consumers, because nothing is universally funny. Except Leslie Nielsen and nut shots.

    1. Are rape jokes funny?

      Humor is based in dropping defense mechanisms against pain and confusion. People who cannot ever drop their defense mechanisms about something will never find that thing funny… which I find hilarious.

    2. “Tossed salad man” wasn’t funny?

      1. “Tossed salad man” wasn’t funny?

          1. Hahahahahaaa!!!! It’s funny because it’s true!

  2. how many rape victims does it take to screw in a lightbulb?


    Knock Knock

    whose there

    Your rapist!

    Yeah I am pretty sure there are no good rape jokes.

    1. Knock knock

      whose there


      therapst who?

      The rapist who will rape you.

      Yup still not funny.

      1. So the other night I was sitting on the couch and my wife comes in and starts yelling at me “get off the couch” i just ignore her and she starts yelling more “get up” “do something” “I am sick of you not getting up”

        Anyway she goes into the bedroom and i am pissed. So after a bit i go in and just rip off her cloths and rape her cuz i am sick of her crap.

        After i am laying there and i lean into to kiss her but i get a good look at her and yell “you are not my wife”

        Still not funny.

        1. A rabbi, Obama, Santa Clause and a rapist are on the Titanic while it is sinking discussing what they should do with the last life raft.

          The rabbi is the first to speak and says “Save the children!”

          The rapist speaks next and says “remember the Alamo” and throws Santa Clause overboard.

          Obama says “We cannot return to the failed polices of the past” then goes below deck and rapes all the children.

          Not funny.

          1. Okay okay. I get it. “Rape” rape is not funny. But prison rape is still funny, right?

          2. A child rapist is walking a six year old through a dark forest. The child say to him “It’s scary out here.” The rapist replies “How do you think I’m going feel walking out of here alone?”

            1. Is it bad that I laughed at all of these?

          3. I thought it was kind of funny.

    2. You moron! It’s “to be screwed in a light bulb”.

  3. Are rape jokes funny?

    If people laugh, then they are funny.

    1. That’s kinda what I think, too. All I can think of is Sam Kinison making (really funny) jokes back in the 1980s about the Ethiopian famine. Tasteless, but a complete riot.

      Comedy almost always has a hard edge to it. Rape, like famine, is horrible. That doesn’t mean both can’t have funny or ironic ways to be described.

      1. It’s very libertarian, really. There is a free market for jokes. If the audience doesn’t laugh at a joke, the comedian will stop telling that joke.

        Comedy almost always has a hard edge to it.

        Yeah. Sometimes we can’t bear to look the monster in the face. Describing the monster in comic terms can help us all have the courage to look the monster in it’s face. Comedy does serve a purpose for humanity.

      2. You see what we have here, that’s right sand. Do you know what it will be in 100 years, SAND!!!

        1. The late, great, hilarious Sam Kinison.

          1. Exactly the routine I was thinking of. He’s only saying what people are, at the core, thinking. That’s what makes it gold.

        2. Move where the fucking food grows!!!!!

      3. What do you call an Ethiopian with diarrhea?


        1. What does STEVE SMITH call an Ethiopian with diarrhea?


    2. As Mel Brooks said, “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.”

  4. I’ve always taken them as not so much jokes about rape or the holocaust or whatever, but more As jokes about joking about rape or the holocaust. People generally see it as absurd that someone woul think an actual rape was funny, and that’s the joke. It’s absurd, and some people don’t get that, but that’s where most comedy is these days and that’s what makes me laugh. Everyone else can go watch blue collar comedy for the wholesome, unfunny jokes.

    1. jokes about joking about rape or the holocaust


  5. OT: I was flipping through Olympics channels and caught a second of the (guest hosted) Rachel Maddow show where they were comparing Romney to W. They were saying Romney’s Olympic “gaffes” must have been on purpose to seem folksy because he has all that worldly experience from his mission trips and apparently has overseas bank accounts, so they’ve heard. Really, this is what they’re resorting too? They really have no arguments.

    1. Certainly the voting base his entire campaign is focused on doesn’t care whether he offends some frenchies and their olympics.

      But he’s not gonna watch his wife’s own horse compete in the olympics? How do you even explain that crap?

      1. Lilly’s father then told a story that has stuck with me ever since. As she lay dying in a pool of her own blood and vomit, the overpoweringly putrid scent of death wafting in the air as her father cupped the intestines spilling out her mangled abdomen, the littlest Ledbetter faintly breathed her final words. And like columnist Ezra Klein, she was laudably on message.

        “It’s so cruel,” she said, whimpering as tears fell from her bloodshot eyes to her blood-smeared cheek, “what Mitt Romney did to that dog.”


        1. I read that, it was hard to laugh, but I’ll admit I did. It was kind of a guilty giggle, like I shouldn’t be.

    2. Yawn on that. Meanwhile, the O-hole’s “you didn’t build that” has grown a shitpile of legs. I really do love it.

    3. I getting tired of her stupid ad in front of that damn that we couldn’t build again in a 100 years with a trillion dollars.

      1. You din’ do dat.

  6. If your joke doesn’t offend someone, it wasn’t very funny. Fuck you, easily offended people.


    1. I didn’t even think this whole show was that funny.

      1. It’s moderately witty and funny. For me, its problem was…that it wasn’t offensive enough.

        1. Still, it had a rapid fire dialogue and talented cast like no other on TV. Some episodes were clunkers, but most of the time it was 23 minutes of consistent laughs.

          That’s why I love Archer, it’s the show’s spiritual successor and manages to be more offensive and funny than what Arrested Development could get away with on Fox.

        2. Well that explains why you’re such an enthusiastic fan of ATHF: because you’re retarded.

          1. Don’t make me rape you, Hugh.

            1. If he makes you do it, isn’t he doing the raping?

              1. You think too much, sage. You should rape more.

                “All I know is ball…and good…and rape.”

                1. Hedley Lamar: State your crimes.
                  Henchman: Rape, murder, arson, and rape.
                  Hedley Lamar: You said rape already.
                  Henchman: I like rape!

                  1. Damn, sorry

                  2. Blazing Saddles- proof that anything can be funny.

                    1. blazing saddles sucked, now on the other hand Space Balls was hilarious, merchandizing…we’re going plaid.

                  3. Taggart: I got it, I got it!
                    Hedley Lamarr: You do?
                    Taggart: We’ll work up a “Number 6” on ’em!
                    Hedley Lamarr: “Number 6”? I’m afraid I’m not familiar with that one…
                    Taggart: Well, that’s where we go a-ridin’ into town, a whampin’ and whompin’ every livin’ thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
                    Hedley Lamarr: You spare the women?
                    Taggart: Naw–We rape the shit out of them at the Number 6 Dance later on!
                    Hedley Lamarr: Marvelous!

      2. I didn’t even think this whole show was that funny.


      3. Best comedy ever.

  7. Listen- the feminists who are getting pissy over Tosh or Eddie Griffin aren’t being pissed because it is or isn’t funny. It’s because, for them, funny is the enemy.

    The stand up mic, where everything is fair game, is the inherent enemy of the PC crowd which increasingly tries to make every topic sancrosect- because to them that means that it is being taken seriously. If people are laughing about rape or famine or race, they clearly are not taking those issues seriously enough.

    1. Nothing worse for a tyrant than being laughed at.

    2. Jokes have been called “little revolutions” and, because the scowling feminist faction has a lot of power right now, they are threatened by those revolutions.

  8. “My notion of a rape-in of legislators’ wives in order to impregnate them was no more to be taken literally than C.K.’s killing the Jews or Lenny’s beating up the Polacks. Rape-in was a misunderstood metaphor; a pro-choice parable that, unfortunately, has become timely again.”

    Speaking of which, what do you call a 99th trimester abortion?

    Give up?

    A 24-year-old woman dying after a botched abortion at a Chicago Planned Parenthood clinic!


    1. Jesus Christ, dude, does everything have to be about abortion?

  9. The problem isn’t that rape jokes aren’t funny. The problem is that Daniel Tosh isn’t funny.

    1. You sir, are an imbecile.

      1. Spoken like a true librarian.

  10. “I think your original joke is hilarious?within context, and coming from a comedian whose philosophy I identify with. Color me conflicted.”

    That’s not conflicted. You agreed so you say its ok. That’s called double standard, not conflicted.

    1. So true.

  11. Why does Krassner think the rape-in joke is timely again?

    1. Because ultrasounds are taking better pictures and the fetuses are starting to look human. Coincidentally, states are passing more prolife laws.

      Or in other words, freedom of choice is under siege.

      Some legislatures are requiring proof that when a woman asks for an abortion she’s doing it of her own free will, not out of coercion from the man who raped her.

      In other words, time for more rape jokes!

      1. Hmm. Haven’t really payed attention to recent state laws. Heard plenty of uproar from the left but assumed it was just overreaction war on women/pay for my abortion shit.

        1. Then there are the informed consent laws by which the abortionist must try and show the pregnant woman an ultrasound picture.

          This is the highly galling to the choice crowd, since it’s harder to kill something once you’ve actually looked at it.

          1. And the limits on government aid to abortion providers. This is probably what you’re referring to.

            1. Round and round the culture war wheel we go, where it stops nobody knows.

              Hint: It never stops.

              1. translation: I don’t like the people who care about this issue, so I get to pretend that it doesn’t matter.

                Why not apply this same reasoning to, say, libertarianism?

                1. I am personally opposed to the practice of abortion. I think it is morally repulsive to willfully conceive a child and then terminate it.

                  However, if you propose a law to limit its practice, you will find me standing on the other side.

                  If you propose a law that interferes with the interactions of private actors, such as between a doctor and his patient, you will find me standing on the other side.

                  In fact, if you propose any law that seeks to limit an individual’s ability to exercise his rights, you will find me standing on the other side.

                  The culture war is not about what is right or wrong, it is about getting back at the “other side.” I categorically refuse to play games with people’s rights just to spite my opponents.

                  1. “I categorically refuse to play games with people’s rights just to spite my opponents.”

                    You might want to talk to actual prolifers (not politicians seeking their votes) to find out if their motives meet your stereotypes.

                    1. And just to be clear, do you define the “culture war” to include marijuana legalization? Because it’s included in most standard definitions.

                    2. I did not invent a pro-life strawman, I was responding to you. These are your words:

                      Because ultrasounds are taking better pictures and the fetuses are starting to look human. Coincidentally, states are passing more prolife laws.

                      Then there are the informed consent laws by which the abortionist must try and show the pregnant woman an ultrasound picture.

                      Some legislatures are requiring proof that when a woman asks for an abortion she’s doing it of her own free will, not out of coercion from the man who raped her.

                      I think it’s safe to assume from your attitude that you support these measures.

                      You have a first amendment right to picket and protest in public spaces. However, that right ends at the property line of a clinic, so you want to use the law to circumvent that limitation and insert yourself into a private conversation, in which you would otherwise have no right to participate.

                    3. Taking a position on a culture war issue does not make one a culture warrior. You become a culture warrior when your principles take a back seat to the thrill of besting your opponents.

                      And I quote again:

                      Or in other words, freedom of choice is under siege.

                      This is the highly galling to the choice crowd, since it’s harder to kill something once you’ve actually looked at it.

                      You want to rub people’s noses in it, to convince them of your superiority, and you want to use the power of the government to do it.

                      This has nothing to do with which side of the argument you’re on (there’s no shortage of pro-choice culture warriors, just see people who would take Krassner’s joke seriously as an example). It is entirely about your motives and the lengths to which you are willing to go to fulfill them.

                    4. “You want to rub people’s noses in it, to convince them of your superiority, and you want to use the power of the government to do it.”

                      The quote you highlighted is about saving lives by making the mother get a look at her child and make her change her mind. The object is not to rub anyone’s nose in anything, but to avoid a tragedy and get the mother to find some alternative destiny for her child which doesn’t involve killing it.

                      That way, the mother is less likely to end up in front of the abortion clinic several years later with a poster proclaiming “I regret my abortion,” while explaining (to an uninterested media) that she wishes she knew then what she knows now – that the fetus is a developing human being.

                      But even if she goes through with her abortion, who is there for her to deal with her grief? Not the choicers, who hold that there’s nothing to grieve over. The prolifers have post-abortive healing ministries where mothers can genuninely grieve their lost children, as opposed to the choicers who use these women as political props without giving a damn about their welfare.

                    5. Why did I mention that these laws are “galling to the choice crowd?”

                      Read Krassner’s article and you’ll see – he thinks these laws are so awful as to justify joke about reping legislators’ wives.

                      He basically apologizes for his timidity in backing down from his rape jokes – now he says that it’s perfectly OK to talk about raping women because their husbands voted to extend legal protection to unborn human beings. (and incidentally, female children in the womb are more likely to be aborted than male children, a fact which Krassner doesn’t seem to register).

                    6. I notice that you haven’t commented on the laws requiring abortionists to make sure the woman/girl isn’t being coerced before performing the abortion.

                      Should the abortionist perform due diligence to make sure that (for example) the teenage client’s boyfriend or soccer coach isn’t coercing her into performing an abortion?

                    7. I sincerely apologize. I have clearly made my definition of a culture warrior too strict. I humbly submit that the following is an equivalent qualification:

                      Someone who holds that people do not, and should not be expected to, possess the faculty of reason about their own choices, and instead should be guided by the benevolent hand of government into making the “responsible” choices.

                      Also, you get extra qualifying points for saying that you have only their best interests at heart, because you want to make sure they don’t regret their choice later.

                    8. Although, around here, I think we use the term “statist” instead.

                    9. Should the abortionist perform due diligence to make sure that (for example) the teenage client’s boyfriend or soccer coach isn’t coercing her into performing an abortion?


                      You seem to forget that I am not some pro-choice caricature (although you were quick to accuse me of treating you like a pro-life one). I’m not going around screaming “OMG COAT HANGERS” like a chicken with its head cut off.

                      Your case presupposes that my support for legal abortion is predicated on some notion that if it’s made illegal, men will start forcibly maiming women and aborting babies in back alleys with blunt instruments. I don’t give two shits about some feminist claptrap from the 1970s.

                      If a doctor wishes to inquire about his patient’s condition and circumstances, then he ought to be able to. If he also wishes to refuse to perform an elective service as a consequence of her answers, then that ought to be his right too.

                      Equivalently, if a doctor wants to take a “no questions asked” attitude, so be it. His “due diligence” extends to answering her questions honestly, not abusing her while sedated, and cashing her check promptly.

          2. It’s highly galling because:

            1. If I make a decision to engage in a legal activity, I should not be required to spend time allowing people who think it’s a bad idea trying to persuade me not to.
            2. In a number of cases, the laws are written in a way that requires transvaginal ultrasounds for early term abortions, and people are rightly enraged in requiring women submit to a rape as a requirement to obtain an abortion.

            1. It’s odd that #2 got so many people’s goat. Those ultrasounds are performed the majority of the time anyway. To characterize it as rape is bound to complicate matters for both the doctor and the patient, and may in fact lead to negative outcomes.

              1. Consenual sex occurs a lot too; that doesn’t mean it’s not rape when someone forces sex on you. A law requiring you to submit to having a foreign objected shoved into your genitalia against your will is rape law, no matter how many other people have agreed to it.

                1. Not saying I agree with it, as it’s government inteference between the patient and the doctor. Just wondering at the rape component. They don’t call a mandatory hernia check during a yearly physical as a component of government insurance rape, yet the action also involves sticking a probe into the vagina.

                  1. It’s amazing how long-lived these bizarre talking points turned out to be. The only ones insisting on vaginal probes are the abortionists themselves – the Va legislature (for instance) responded to the talking points by saying that a noninvasive exam is sufficient.

                    I sincerely doubt that this talking-point was originated in good faith; a focus group was in all likelihood involved here.

                    1. They didn’t need a focus group, as this is their standard tactic. Most people don’t agree with them on anything but the equal rights bit. Since pretty much everyone that’s not insane agrees that is rape is bad, they link as much as possible to it. If they can’t contort something they don’t like into the the physical act or threat thereof, they just say that its part of “rape culture”.

                    2. It’s long-lived because it’s true. The version of the bill the Virginia house passed did require the transvaginal ultrasound in many cases. It was only AFTER the resulting uproar that the Virginia senate ammended the bill to only require the transabdominal one.

                    3. After the outcry, the Va legislature added language that there was no intent to require the vaginal ultrasounds which the abortionists were already doing without any legal requirement. This amendment was basically declaratory, it was not legally necessary and articulated the bill’s pre-existing meaning.

                    4. Not that I necessarily support the legislation, but don’t the histrionics over the vaginal probe seem a little overblown considering that the ABORTION involves a “foreign objected shoved into your genitalia”?

  12. “having to basically flee while Tosh was enthusing about how hilarious it would be if I was gang-raped…”

    Actually, hon, you didn’t have to flee at all.

    “Needless to say, rape, the most heinous crime imaginable,…”

    No, babe, it is far from the most heinous crime imaginable.

    These two hyperbolic claims alone give the reader a good hint of what he’s dealing with here and essentially beg the reader to not take anything said by either of these women particularly seriously. Sorry.

    1. I mean you’re in a comedy club, there’s an entire comedian culture that says you can screw with the audience since it enhances the show and audience experience. What was she expecting?

    2. I guess keeping her stupid mouth shut and not interrupting the show didn’t occur to her? I’ve never seen it work out well for a heckler with a high-end comic.

    3. You bring up a point that prompted this thought a while ago.
      From a purely analytical, detached standpoint, rape is different than most crimes.
      No one wants to get murdered.
      No one wants to get mugged.
      No one wants to get burglarized.

      But, unless a minor, or celibate, most women want to have sex. It becomes rape when it isn’t the person they want to have sex with.

      It’s one of the only crimes that is a crime, not because of the act, but because of who is committing it.

      1. It’s one of the only crimes that is a crime, not because of the act, but because of who is committing it.

        Someone comes over to you and beats the crap out of you. Assault and battery, right?
        What if it’s in a boxing ring? (A dojo, fighting pit, whatever.)

        What’s the difference? One person has your permission. The other doesn’t. It’s about owning what others can do to your body.

        1. Well, for one,a boxing match is regulated, requires protective equipment, etc.
          But, I see what you mean.

          I understand that rape is a heinous crime and a violent assault.

          It was just a thought. Nothing else implied.

          1. Yeah, like if a woman bought a dildo tied you up and raped you with it, you might not like it, I mean it’s not like men don’t like to have sex, it’s just who they’re having sex with. 🙂

        2. Well, for one,a boxing match is regulated, requires protective equipment, etc.
          But, I see what you mean.

          I understand that rape is a heinous crime and a violent assault.

          It was just a thought. Nothing else implied.

  13. Also, the funny thing about that Louie episode where he was raped was how Slate’s Double X blog thought it was totally okay, and a great commentary on male-female relationships:


    1. You mean feminism involves egregious double standards? Color me shocked. My thoughts on that episode is that beyond basic concepts of personal space there is no universal standard of sexual conduct that two relative strangers should instantly know, each individual has his/her own boundaries. So Louie was right when he said that he has no obligation to reciprocate after fellatio when that was not understood when it was offered. It makes me wonder if the writers intended the woman to be a caricature of an angry feminist. I wouldn’t be surprised that the Double X people and the Jezzies missed the joke.

  14. Jeselnik had the best response.

    “This Daniel Tosh rape joke controversy really has me second guessing some of my rapes.”

  15. So how does this compare to Michael Richards’ infamy for using the n-word when he heckled back at some hecklers? In both cases I think the stage is the comedian’s domain he and has an obligation to make the audience laugh even if it involves edgy humor.

  16. Comedy and tragedy are paired opposites and as such can have extremes. Stubbing your toe is not funny, but people laugh at it because usually what precedes or follows the action. Rape isn’t funny but the rediculousness of the violence and absurdity that leads and follows can make for humor. Without tragedy, there is no comedy because why would we laugh at everything normal? We laugh because we live in a ridiculous world and it helps us cope with it. If we’re laughing at murder (how many jokes are about wanting to kill your kids or spouse) then what is the difference about jokes about another kind of violence, rape? Laughter doesn’t mean an idea isn’t recognized as tragedy. Often it signals the opposite.

    1. Don’t remember who said it, but it rings true:

      “Tragedy is me stubbing my toe. Comedy is you falling down a well and dying.”

      1. Truth in joking. There is loads of truth in comedy.

    2. I was always of the line from Heinlein’s Stranger in a Strange Land “We laugh when it hurts too much to cry.”

  17. The late, great Patrice O’Neal defends comics better than I ever could.

    1. And destroys a feminists while cracking up the Fox crew. Funniest thing I’ve ever seen on the news.

      1. One of my all-time favorite clips.
        Right up there with the ‘cheetah heels bit’.

        Rip Patrice

        1. The first Patrice bit I ever heard was this with Joe Derosa bashing Lady Gaga on Opie and Anthony. Funny guy.

    2. Man, she is struggling for words. It’s like she thought she was going to get into a policy debate where she could speak her well rehearsed phrases and her opponent would speak their well rehearsed phrases and she had no idea had to respond to O’Neal when he didn’t play the game she was expecting.

    3. Wow, he’s a great arguer. Well thought out argument and didn’t get dragged down to the hack’s level.

  18. Dane Cook? Really? Going to a Dane Cook show for comedy is like going to Dane Cook for financial management advice,

    1. So don’t go.

    2. Someone should rape some sense in to that bitch for desiring to patronize a Dane Cook act. I would personally forcefully impregnate her with one intelligent baby, but she wouldn’t properly nurture it in my absence, and it would end up stupid like her.

  19. If you insist on dissecting the humor, or telling the joke deadpan and out of context, NO jokes are funny.

    The real question is “is there a subject too offensive to be the subject of humor?”. I would argue that, no, there isn’t. On the other hand, if a comic’s routine offends you, feel free to kick up a fuss. Just keep in mind that if the world does not largely disagree with you, the Streisand Effect kicks in.

    1. If you insist on dissecting the humor, or telling the joke deadpan and out of context, NO jokes are funny.

      Not a Steven Wright fan, huh?

    2. How many Jews can fit in Hitler’s car?

      Three in the back seat, two in the trunk, and six million in the ashtray.

      1. Fuck you squirrels, I was replying to Tony.

  20. Not as funny as holocaust jokes.

    1. There are even fewer of those that are funny. Not sure I remember hearing one …….

    2. My grandfather died in Auschwitz…

      He fell off the guard tower.

      1. Mine did too. He locked the door from the inside.

    3. Mel Brooks has made a career out of making Nazis funny.

      1. And Mel Gibson.

  21. As the late, great Max Eastman wrote in the under-appreciated classic Enjoyment of Laughter, in order to find something funny, you have to be in the spirit of fun. If there is a subject you take very seriously, you can’t be in fun about it, so you won’t laugh at jokes about it.

    What’s interesting to me is how the culture has changed in the last few generations. From (roughly) Lenny Bruce into the mid-’70s or so, the possible subjects for comedy greatly expanded. Then political correctness took hold, and more and more topics (women, blacks, gays, the mentally ill, the handicapped, Muslims, etc.) became minefields for any comic who wasn’t in one of those categories. Now some people are practically Victorian about being offended. It can be hard to make the self-righteous laugh.

  22. Disclaimer– I am a woman.
    I don’t tell a rape joke per se, but I make this humorous comment about The Lifetime Channel (which I fuckin’ hate.) I think a woman joking about rape has more latitude than a man joking about rape, but I tend to be careful about to whom I make this comment, which means I don’t say it to old women. Men, no problem, young women–depends. The comment is that I always describe the Lifetime channel as “The Eating Disorder and Oops, I Got Raped Again” Network. Men tend to find this comment hilarious, and so do some women. Other women, not so much.

    1. On the other hand, it is so easy and so fun to laugh at the self-righteous. That is why feminists and PC people are such delicious targets.

    2. “The Eating Disorder and Oops, I Got Raped Again” Network.

      That’s funny. I’m a (non-rapey) man.

    3. +1 Funny.

    4. I’m a woman too but I think that joke would be funny coming from a man or a woman. The Tosh joke just creeps me out. There is a difference between making a funny joke that involves rape and implying that rape is funny. I genuinely believe that many of Tosh’s audience members think that the act of rape is funny.

      1. Then I’m sorry, but you’re genuinely an idiot.

        Oh, and I am shamelessly stealing sailshonan’s description of Lifetime.

        1. So she is an idiot huh, for her opinion.
          So let’s put it to a test.
          A man attacks you, bashes all your teeth in so you can’t bite his penis but only gum it and the blood from your gums acts as lube
          Is this funny?

          1. No, not funny. But it’s not the content that brings the unfunny, it’s the actual lack of humor, set-up, and punchline.

            1. But what I wrote constitutes rape doesn’t it? What would make what I wrote funny?

          2. Just to be clear, my very concerned amigo, I called her an idiot because she said this:

            I genuinely believe that many of Tosh’s audience members think that the act of rape is funny.

            Anyone who thinks that statement is true is an idiot.

            1. So you like the comedian you just don’t laugh when he tells rape jokes?

          3. Uh, you’re supposed to leave all the gore and horror out of the joke.

            So here’s another test: Are prison rape jokes funny? Fuck yeah, and nobody thinks otherwise.

            Test conclusion:

            What we’re talking about here has nothing to do with rape, and everything to do with victim worship, and the political favor that can be leveraged into.

            1. So here’s another test: Are prison rape jokes funny? Fuck yeah, and nobody thinks otherwise.

              I don’t. I think it’s disgusting that we laugh about it. Are we to assume that sodomy is now a part of our criminal justice system?

              1. Sodomy is a fundamental part of all levels of American government. The absurdity of it is hilarious.

            2. Could what I wrote have ever happened in prison?

              Anyway, my other point being, that whether you thought what I wrote was funny or not, no one prevented me from writing it. And what is funny, I used a grotesque act to defend her opinion. 🙂

    5. I laughed and I’m a man.

      I refer to Lifetime as “Deathtime: Television Against Men”.

      1. We always called it the “Crying Women Channel”.

    6. I think that you can tell that joke to any man but only to a few women speaks to why there are more men in comedy.

      I don’t think it is because “men are funnier” I think it is because men hold much less sacred, and the less you hold sacred, the easier it is to come up with funny. When you cordon off whole ideas from your act, it becomes much harder to find an original, funny angle.

    7. As a woman, I didn’t find it very funny, maybe because I have never watched that channel, but if men find it funny, well that is telling about men. I guess there are lots of men watching the Lifetime channel.

      1. Lots of pussy men are whipped in to watching it with their unstable mates. Not me though, I have only seen many parodies of Lifetime on sketch shows.

        1. What was it they say about women and rational hamsters? I can’t remember, I read it somewhere on one of those, menenist,(yes, I made that word up) sites. giggles all around.

  23. Fuck. I hadn’t heard about this.

    1) Fuck that bitch
    2) Daniel Tosh is funny as hell
    3) Dane fucking Cook? Stupid bitch deserved to get run out if she went there to see Cook instead of Tosh.
    4) Everything is funny and subject to being joked about. EVERYTHING.

    Fuck your senstitive sensibilities, sensitive people.

  24. Rape is never funny. Unless you’re raping a clown.

  25. Also, I find it truly ASTOUNDING that STEVE SMITH has not yet made an appearance.

  26. I agree with George Carlin. It is possible to exaggerate or apply context to anything, even rape, to make it funny.

    However, was Tosh’s joke funny? Not unless you’re a frat boy.
    Come on, he didn’t even try to make it clever. It was just a mean, literal description of a rape scene. But that, in and of itself, is a joke that is well-targeted to the Tosh demographic.

    1. I didn’t think it was funny either, but hecklers are scum and I don’t mind if comics make them cry all night long.

      1. sticks|7.28.12 @ 7:06PM|#
        “I didn’t think it was funny either, but hecklers are scum and I don’t mind if comics make them cry all night long.”

        Hecklers are part of the paying audience. If the act sucks, as Tosh does, the supposed comic deserves every bit of heckle anyone can deliver.
        Ever boo at a bad act?

        1. “Ever boo at a bad act?”

          No. I usually just leave or if waiting for headliner I head to the bar.

          1. sticks|7.28.12 @ 10:56PM|#
            “Ever boo at a bad act?”
            No. I usually just leave or if waiting for headliner I head to the bar.

            Your choice, but if ‘entertainers’ expect applause for a good act, it’s hypocritical at least to gripe at hecklers.
            Can’t stand the audience making a statement? Go wash dishes.

            1. It my choice. And if a comedian is interrupted by an heckler it is his choice to do his best to make that person feel like a miserable twat for the next week.

              1. sticks|7.28.12 @ 11:49PM|#
                “And if a comedian is interrupted by an heckler it is his choice to do his best to make that person feel like a miserable twat for the next week.”

                For making a comment on the supposed ‘comedian’s’ talent? Sorry, the supposed ‘comedian’ should feel like a twit.
                Bad acts deserve boos. The ‘comedian’ is welcome to respond, and with any luck the rest of the audience will tell him/her what they think.

                1. What do you mean by respond? It sounds like you are saying you’re free to express your opinions about the performance, but the comic should show restraint in expressing his opinion about the heckler?

                  What if a heckler was ruining or attempting to ruin a routine by some comic you find funny. Wouldn’t you want the comic to get that person to shut up or feel so bad that they leave the room so you can get back to enjoying what you paid for?

                  1. What if the heckler was funnier? 🙂

                    1. “What if the heckler was funner?”

                      He’d be on stage next week?

        2. Hecklers are part of the paying audience.

          You say this like it confers upon them special rights. Payment only grants them admittance to the owner’s property. It does not give them the right to interfere with others enjoyment I the performance. In fact, the opposite is usually part of the contract. That’s why they can and do remove hecklers.

          1. mr simple|7.28.12 @ 11:17PM|#
            “It does not give them the right to interfere with others enjoyment I the performance.”

            Is response limited to approval? Does applause “interfere with others enjoyment”?
            Nope. If the act sucks, it gets noise. I paid for entertainment, not stupidity.

            1. Poorly timed applause can certainly ruin the enjoyment of a performance. Would you attend a symphony and clap in the middle of a movement?

              Booing loudly while everyone else in the room is enjoying some folly acoustic shit will ruin the performance. Interrupting a comic and not letting him get a punchline out ruins the performance.
              Just b/c you’re having a bad time why do you want to make everyone else in the room have a bad time? You can, but it seems an ass of a thing to do and like I’v said people such people deserve to be forced to tears.

              1. heh, the heckler in this case actually made a performance for a dire comic who would have otherwise drowned. I wouldn’t even know his name if this subject had not been brought up. pfffft

                1. Drowning? One person (publicly) took offense. The rest of the audience laughed. At a well-known comic. For whom they’d paid to see tell jokes. I’d say that, in the marketplace of funny ideas, they’re all buyers.

  27. I’m glad the question of whether Tosh is funny is more controversial here then the question of whether rape jokes are funny.

    For the record Tosh is not funny, unless he is being raped.

    1. OK, I loled at that.

      1. Hence, rape jokes are funny.

        1. Correction: Rape jokes are funny, when the victim is male.

          Now we’re getting to the bottom of this.

    2. dang wish I read your comment before posting mine. yup, funny.

    1. That’s the one thing which would make Bob Saget more irritating.

      1. Gilbert Godfrey?

  28. Also, a rape joke or bit as part of a comedy act is ok. Now, if Tosh was basing his entire career on, “You miiight be a rapist if you…” jokes; not funny. Tosh particularly has few limits, and tries to be offensive. He’s funny.

    1. He’d be even funnier if he were gang raped on stage. Imagine the laughs. 🙂

  29. It’s interesting to me, there seems to be a requirement for comics to sell their soul a bit in the course of their work…or maybe the requirement is staying eternally at the 13 year old maturity level. Normally, you only witness that level of social suicide for the sake of making people laugh in the 8th grade. Most people at some point decide they would rather have certain relationships than temporarily amuse themselves.

    1. You’re digging pretty deep, for what is really just seems to be a social entertainment board, you notice by the responses. If you really want to dig into the phsyci of the fruitloop try those metaphysical boards, or maybe some monks or shamans, most of the librarians are just well really laid back dope smokin folk. I mean most of us can’t tell Madeleine Albright from Hillary Clinton.

  30. I shall follow this fascinating story while eating some popcorn and consensual-adult-relationship seeds.

  31. too long; didn’t rape

    1. Enjoyed, would rape again.

      1. Rape, arson, murder and rape.

        Waait, you said rape twice.

        I like rape.

        Totally unfunny….hahahahaha!

  32. Here’s a joke on a different subject:

    NYPD officers trying to crack a kidnapping.

    The kidnappers use a cell phone to demand $75k in ransom, but the police trace the call.

    They follow the trace to a house in Queens.

    The guy who owns the house comes out and they grab him. Then they bust in to the house and find the kidnap victim with a bunch of guys holding him captive.

    The NYPD discovers that the guy they grabbed at the door is another NYPD cop. So they let him go. The guys inside the house with the kidnap victim are the cop’s cousin and the cousin’s friends. They’re all arrested.

    So the cop owns the house; the cop was just inside the house while the kidnapping was in progress; the cop’s relative and friends are the kidnappers. But the cop is let go and only the non-cops are arrested.

    OK, here’s the joke:

    Dunphy says cops are held to the same standard everyone else is.


    1. Not funny. Now I has a sad.

  33. I find Tosh funny enough that Tosh.0 is one of the handful of things I might occasionally watch on TV.

    This joke was not meant to be, “LOL!”, it was meant to antagonistic to a dumb bitch who went to a butcher and got upset that he served red meat.
    The joke was not to her, it was on her, as in, “you think you can shame me with your bitching? Let me show you how much I respect your attempt.”

    I loved it.

    1. I’ve seen it a few times after Futurama. I find it tedious and don’t get why people find Tosh funny.

      1. Yeah, especially for a clip show, Tosh.0 is pretty bad.

  34. A 14 year old boy comes home and tells his mom that he just had sex with his teacher. The mom is horrified and calls her husband. The husband comes running home, asks his son if it’s true, and, upon receiving confirmation, says, “Son, this is fantastic! I love you! In fact, let’s go out and buy that new bike you want!”
    So they go buy the bike, and when they get home the father tells the boy to go for a ride.
    “Not now”, says the boy. “My ass still hurts.”

    1. And a +1 Funny for you, too.

    2. This is how a father properly gets his son bedded:

      “He sent the girl away?”
      “He did better than that,” Tyrion said. “First he made my brother tell me the truth. The girl was a whore, you see. Jaime arranged the whole affair, the road, the outlaws, all of it. He thought it was time I had a woman. He paid double for a maiden, knowing it would be my first time.
      “After Jaime had made his confession, to drive home the lesson, Lord Tywin brought my wife in and gave her to his guards. They paid her fair enough. A silver for each man, how many whores command that high a price? He sat me down in the corner of the barracks and bade me watch, and at the end she had so many silvers the coins were slipping through her fingers and rolling on the floor, she…” The smoke was stinging his eyes. Tyrion cleared his throat and turned away from the fire, to gaze out into darkness. “Lord Tywin had me go last,” he said in a quiet voice. “And he gave me a gold coin to pay her, because I was a Lannister, and worth more.”
      After a time he heard the noise again, the rasp of steel on stone as Bronn sharpened his sword. “Thirteen or thirty or three, I would have killed the man who did that to me.”
      Tyrion swung around to face him. “You may get that chance one day. Remember what I told you. A Lannister always pays his debts.” He yawned. “I think I will try and sleep. Wake me if we’re about to die.”

  35. There is a rape joke in Candide (the operetta). It is funny.

    1. If there is a horror that Candide and friends don’t experience, I don’t know of it. Worth reading again.

  36. Maybe woman don’t find it funny because they don’t have anything to rape anyone with. What she’s gonna rape someone with a broomhandle? “Oh yeah baby how do like that, my broomhandle”, okay that’s not funny, although I’m cracking myself up. I gotta stop now.

    1. +some women+

      1. Can’t process ampersands inside of links either? This madness has to stop squirrels.

  37. OT: Phelps doesn’t even medal in the 400 IM, an event he set the world record in 4 years ago. I was a Phelps fan then, but after the hubris he’s displayed the last four years, I think it’s good Lochte is the new swimming star.

    1. That’s not surprising, he said after Beijing that he would never do the 400 IM again, and he didn’t train for it enough this time.

  38. No they never are. Unless of course the subject is a politician being cornholed in prison. Particularly, no, exclusively, if the politician is a Republican

    1. KTEL60|7.28.12 @ 10:14PM|#
      “No they never are. Unless of course the subject is a politician being cornholed in prison. Particularly, no, exclusively, if the politician is a Republican”

      Sarc or stupidity?

    2. Yeah that’s because Democrats like it.

  39. “Daniel Tosh isn’t the first comedian to have told a controversial rape joke.”

    Problem is Tosh isn’t a comedian.
    Sorta like Ed Sullivan of whom it was said ‘as long as other people have talent, he’ll have a show’, Tosh will have a show as long as other people make stupid videos.
    He’s Sacha Baron Cohen, minus even a hint of humor or talent.

    1. What, are you 80? Tosh’s standup is funny. Admittedly, his show is just a gross-out version of America’s Funniest Home Videos.

      Also, I don’t know how funny Cohen is, but he’s a pretty talented actor. His characters might not be humorous, but, from Ali G to his character in Hugo, they’re all unique and believable.

      1. mr simple|7.28.12 @ 11:24PM|#
        “Admittedly, his show is just a gross-out version of America’s Funniest Home Videos.”

        ‘Nuff said.

      2. He got Tosh.0 precisely because he’s a popular comedian. I think he’s a good one. His stand-up is far more interesting and conceptual and far less fratt-y than Tosh.0. But that’s basically how Comedy Central works. If your stand-up specials get a lot of viewers after repeated showings, you get a development deal. Granted, like 1 out of 10 of those make it past 6 or 8 episodes. My source for that info? Some podcast or something.

  40. You trying to cut out half of Andy Breckman’s repertoir? I (and WFMU mgr. y co-host Ken Freedman) just don’t like it when Andy tells rape jokes if we know children are in the audience.

  41. I’ve been quieted by a few jokes that made me uncomfortable and laughed at many a joke that made others uncomfortable. I just don’t see the connection between prohibition and personal discomfort unless one is a controlling tyrant.

  42. I was thinking a chihuahua trying to rape a mastiff would be funny: “hey baby, hold still. You got a step ladder or something?”

  43. She was so offended that she felt morally compelled to shout, “Actually, rape jokes are never funny!” Tosh paused and then seized the opportunity, responding, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like five guys? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her?”

  44. “But my feminist friends objected.”

    That’s certainly a shock.

    Ollie and Lena are asleep in bed and Ollie hears someone messing with the front door, and discovers a masked man trying to break in. Ollie says “Are you a bugler?” and the guy says “No, I’m a rapist” and Ollie yells out “Lena, it’s for you!”

  45. Rape jokes wouldn’t be so funny if there weren’t people who are offended by them.

  46. Rape can only be made light of when it is referring to men getting raped in prison. Then it is real funny.

  47. In all seriousness, you all wouldn’t be laughing about rape jokes, if there were no such thing as rape victims.

  48. Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like five guys? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her?

    You know what would be even funnier, if someone in the audience proceeded to sodomize Tosh with his own microphone. In front of the whole audience. Yeah, that would be a regular laugh riot.

    1. Maybe we agree.

      The part you quoted is where I think he definitely crossed the line.

      Not hilarious to “in jest” threaten a woman with gang rape.

  49. There’s a lesson we should take from this and the Michael Richards incident.

    If you (a white guy) call some a nigger, you deserve to be removed from our cultural radar after showing up in sackcloth and ashes to our racial confessors.
    If you wish someone would be gangbanged, that’s just hilarious.

  50. Everyone should get raped. Then we could all play the victim card.

    1. Only if we get to choose our rapists.

    2. Only if we get to choose our rapists.

  51. When watching the Anime classic Metropolis with my daughter (about 6 or 7 at the time), she asked why they suddenly started playing pretty music (Ray Charles performing I Can’t Stop Loving You)when the all the explosions started going off.

    I explained to her that in cinema, often times beautiful music is used as a counterpoint to something very violent or terrible.

  52. Wow, somehow I’m the “sensitive man” in this crowd.

    Just not appropriate to “in jest” suggest that a woman alone in a crowd be gang raped. I expect that a number of gang rapes start with just “a little joking around.”

    Part of the “ha ha” aspect of the joke is that a woman can’t be 100% sure that it is a joke.

    Isn’t it a jolly good time to terrorize a woman with rape, just a little, and be able to get away with it, because, hey, “it’s just a joke”.

    Once you’ve gotten away with threatening violation, won’t it be fun to start “play acting” the scene? Just a little? Maybe crowd her in. Maybe just a little pinch here. Or there. And maybe there. Ha ha! Look at her jump!

    I expect the the tailhook assaults started off as a little joke too.

    The joke isn’t funny, and not just because of where it might lead, but because a woman *can’t know* that it’s just a joke, even if you think you do.

    1. Then every single joke about a violent act is a “threat”. Is that what you’re saying? Or is it just rape. Cause if he told a male heckler “it would be funny if you got your ass kicked”, you know damn well we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

  53. A joke about any subject can be funny, given the right context and framing. Always Sunny makes jokes about far more appalling subject matter on a regular basis, and it’s hilarious.

    The problem with Tosh’s “joke” directed at the heckler isn’t that it’s about rape; it’s that it’s mean-spirited, tasteless bullying passed off as a joke. Saying something to the effect of, “Wouldn’t it be awesome if that person who made fun of me got gang-raped” without any context isn’t a joke, even if the person saying it is a comedian and even if it’s being said in a comedy club.

    1. The context was: she said “rape is never funny”. He said “It would be funny if you got raped by like 5 or 6 guys right now”. He didn’t just say it cause she booed.

      1. Ha, ha?

        1. You said “without any context” when there was indeed context. So yes, it was obviously a joke. Feminists warp everything they don’t like into a threat, in order to justify government intrusion. Don’t help them. Whether you find it funny or not is a different matter.

  54. Did you hear about the performer who raped Holocaust victims on stage? It’s called…The Aristocrats!

  55. Rape jokes are to comedy what ‘Piss Christ’ is to art: more about shock and provocation than content and creativity.

    1. Yep, and it takes a true dumbfuck to go see Tosh and then get offended by a shocking and provocational joke.

      You don’t go to a live action performance of 2 Girls 1 Cup and then scream out, “Coprophagia is never sexy!”

  56. It depends on how they do construct the jokes. There are some jokes that might offend some feelings.

  57. Rape’s never funny…

    Unless you’re raping a clown.

  58. w can a rape joke not be funny, rape jokes are hilarious.” She was so offended that she felt morally compelled to shout, http://shoxpascher.blogage.de/ “Actually, rape jokes are never funny!” Tosh paused and then seized the opportunity, responding, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like five guy

  59. Either everything can be joked about or nothing can be joked about. The minute we start carving out exceptions for the offended the exceptions will swallow the rule.

  60. I think the saddest part of all this is that no one seems to realise that the bit in question is about the fact that rape jokes really aren’t funny. I’ve heard the whole thing.

    It’s one of those ‘nervous laughter’ bits

  61. She should have yelled – it would be funnier if five women castrated you. Hee heee heee heee heee… Bad Gandhian!!

  62. I don’t think your joke was funny. It was the rabid dream of a Stalinist. Kill and rape anyone who disagrees with you. Tosh is funny, but I don’t think his response to the heckler or complainer was funny either. However at least he had an excuse, someone interrupting his act, but you are just a Stalinist.

  63. No one has a right not to be offended, especially at a comedy show. So rape jokes, while not always funny, are definitely permissible. Had I been in the managers shoes I would not have given any consolation to the woman who complained. Nor do I think that Tosh needed to apologize for what he did, though I will not go as far as to chastise him for doing so.

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