As I noted over the weekend, the actual process by which delegates are selected in the Iowa caucus process (misunderstood completely by the media, including the Associated Press and New York Times which had been issuing authoritative and totally wrong "official delegate counts" about Iowa for months--and still are today!) is over, and Ron Paul won--alas, a bit late for that campaign-season momentum boost.
Here's some reportorial and pundit reaction. First, Seema Mehta at the Los Angeles Times on what Paul's Iowa victory, and similar victories elsewhere, might mean in Tampa. Maybe….chaos!:
"We want to influence the direction of the party more than anything else," said Joel Kurtinitis, who was Paul's state director in Iowa until the congressman effectively ended his presidential bid in May. He said efforts by followers of Paul, a 76-year-old who will retire when his current term ends, are about more than him or his son Rand, a senator from Kentucky.
"We're going to hold up our values and we're going to bring conservatism back to the mainline of the Republican Party," Kurtinitis said.
But others say the move by the Iowa GOP is a black eye for the state's first-in-the-nation voting status and for Romney.
"Embarrassment is the word that comes to my mind," said Jamie Johnson, who served as Santorum's state coalitions director in Iowa. The former Pennsylvania senator, who endorsed Romney after ending his presidential bid in April, appears to have a solitary Iowa delegate heading into the convention…..
"Where their leverage is going to be is in how smoothly the convention plays out. They hold the wild card. They can delay events taking place in Tampa with parliamentary procedure," said Josh Putnam, a professor at Davidson College in North Carolina who has studied political conventions.
He said it would be a mistake to assume the Paul delegates are monolithic. Some are focused on long-term goals of remaking the GOP, but others are focused on creating instant change, such as trying to block Romney's nomination.
"Romney's going to be the nominee," Putnam said. "It's just a question of how much of a headache are these folks going to make for Romney or the RNC."….
"If they don't give Ron Paul or Rand Paul prime time, they will turn Tampa 2012 into Chicago '68," said conservative Iowa radio host Steve Deace, referring to a Democratic National Convention that was beset with riots and violence. "They will lose their minds."
Paul's idled candidacy didn't slow the hunt for delegate slots on the ballot at Saturday's Iowa GOP convention in Des Moines. The majority of delegates to the national convention elected by Iowa Republicans will be Paul backers.
Paul's following argues that the campaign has always been about more than electing a president.
"It's never been about a man. It's about liberty, and turning the tide," said Marianne Stebbins, Paul's Minnesota state director. She was elected a national delegate on May 18.
Although Romney seldom attacked Paul during the primary campaign, Paul supporters remain cool to him. Many consider Romney part of the GOP establishment's complicity in the soaring federal debt, another top concern for Paul.
Ken Walsh at U.S. News notes interestingly that the Democratic National Committee seems to be trying to stir up a "let's you and him fight" between Romney and Paul, quoting the above AP report:
A DNC spokesman sent an e-mail to reporters quoting an AP story that said, "Paul backers have taken over state Republican conventions in Nevadai and Maine, and had a strong showing this weekend in Iowa, aiming to increase their voice and clout at the nominating convention in Tampa, Fla." The DNC e-mail also referred to AP reporting that, "Although Romney seldom attacked Paul during the primary campaign, Paul supporters remain cool to him….
*Tim Carney at Examiner notes that he saw this coming (as did I) all the way back in the caucus, though he strangely underplays what happens by saying "Ron Paul Won Iowa…in a sense." Yes, in the sense that the delegates from the state support him. That's what "winning a state" means in a system of state delegates going to a national convention to vote for president.
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There are kids being born as we speak who would be the elders in "2112." (Presuming the story has 100-year-olds, which I think is a safe assumption given medicine, etc.)
They'd probably ignore him even if he became President.
"And now, our special correspondent Progressive McDumbass brings us the latest from the White House. Are you there, McDumbass?"
"LALALLALALALALALALALALAALALALAL
LALALALAALAL NOTHING TO SEE HERE."
"And now, soccer news, which nobody gives a fuck about, but we've introduced it into our regular sports reportage because mimicking European tastes is stylish among the more red-oriented and hipsterish among us."
They learned a couple of World Cups ago that soccer ratings in the U.S. now outdo stuff like the World Series and NBA Finals. (And no, it's not Hispanics -- we're talking about the English-language broadcasts.)
This summer's European championship has been doing blockbuster business for ESPN, for instance. MLS games now have higher average attendance than the NBA and NHL. You don't have to like it, but "nobody watches soccer" doesn't work anymore...
The corporate media would do what they did in Wisconsin: pretend it didn't happen and go to stories about Queen Elizabeth or a cute gaggle of ducklings.
You mean if some nutty fringe candidate that has never actually "won" anything approaching a popular vote managed to weasel his way into a delegate lead by trickery and deceit?
Yeah, they'd probably do the right thing and respect the will of the people and give the nomination to the candidate supported by the vast majority of voters.
So, it's an "embarrassment" for Iowa Republicans to hand their national convention delegation over to Ron Paul supporters when Ron Paul finished third in Iowa, but it's "shrewd political maneuvering" for North Dakota Republicans to hand their national convention delegation over to Mitt Romney when Mitt Romney finished third in North Dakota.
Yes, he "won" in the sense that even though the people of the State of Iowa overwhelmingly rejected him and his message and did not actually vote for him, a small group of die-hard zealots have gamed the system to try and secure him delegates.
Hardly what I would call a win. But then hey, I'm one of those crazy kooks that actually respects the democratic process and the will of the people.
Generally, taking the vast majority of delegates is called "winning" the state. If that's not a win, I don't know what is. If the people didn't give enough of a damn to get their chosen guy delegates, that's their fault.
Rush 2112!
I was thinking about this today, in fact:
There are kids being born as we speak who would be the elders in "2112." (Presuming the story has 100-year-olds, which I think is a safe assumption given medicine, etc.)
Kooky!
In the future old people will have tramp stamps and body piercings.
Another toy will help destroy the elder race of man.
Rush 2112!
Canadian POTUS?
What HERESY is this?!
We've got a Kenyan, why not a Canuck?
shat-NER, shat-NER, shat-NER!
This is all pretty awesome.
The world reacts
"Who?"
I thought I was going to make it all the way through an RP article and not see a plug for the book.
You got me at the end you bastard...
Wouldn't it be great if it turned out that Paul netted more delegates than Romney? Can you imagine the fantastical clusterfuck that would take place?
They'd make Romney the nominee anyway.
The Paul crowd would literally lynch the RNC.
The police response would be swift and violent. I'd think the cops would be itching for an excuse to rough of these stoned anarchists.
In that case, all the Paul crowds should always travel armed, especially when demonstrating.
But if they do that, Obama will probably just drone-nuke them from semi-orbit.
I'm with Res. What a wonderful bit of chaos that would be! Tear back the curtain.
Assuming it would be reported outside of fringe outlets such as Reason.
Remember when Romney came in first, Santorum second, and Perry fourth?
They'd announce that Romney, with a second place finish, has become the nominee.
Who came in first? Who cares?
They'd probably ignore him even if he became President.
"And now, our special correspondent Progressive McDumbass brings us the latest from the White House. Are you there, McDumbass?"
"LALALLALALALALALALALALAALALALAL
LALALALAALAL NOTHING TO SEE HERE."
"And now, soccer news, which nobody gives a fuck about, but we've introduced it into our regular sports reportage because mimicking European tastes is stylish among the more red-oriented and hipsterish among us."
They learned a couple of World Cups ago that soccer ratings in the U.S. now outdo stuff like the World Series and NBA Finals. (And no, it's not Hispanics -- we're talking about the English-language broadcasts.)
This summer's European championship has been doing blockbuster business for ESPN, for instance. MLS games now have higher average attendance than the NBA and NHL. You don't have to like it, but "nobody watches soccer" doesn't work anymore...
The corporate media would do what they did in Wisconsin: pretend it didn't happen and go to stories about Queen Elizabeth or a cute gaggle of ducklings.
You mean if some nutty fringe candidate that has never actually "won" anything approaching a popular vote managed to weasel his way into a delegate lead by trickery and deceit?
Yeah, they'd probably do the right thing and respect the will of the people and give the nomination to the candidate supported by the vast majority of voters.
It's called Democracy.
Except this is the internal process of a private group and they have their own rules that have nothing to do with the state-run beauty contest.
So, it's an "embarrassment" for Iowa Republicans to hand their national convention delegation over to Ron Paul supporters when Ron Paul finished third in Iowa, but it's "shrewd political maneuvering" for North Dakota Republicans to hand their national convention delegation over to Mitt Romney when Mitt Romney finished third in North Dakota.
Got it.
Double standards only apply to libertards, you see.
Romniacs are probably freaking out that Paul is trying to hijack the convention.
"It's never been about a man. It's about liberty, and turning the tide," said Marianne Stebbins, Paul's Minnesota state director.
We've obviously met different Paul supporters.
If it was about liberty, I think they'd be supporting Johnson right about now.
Yup. If your primary is over, and there isn't a RP delegate in sight, you ought to be backing Johnson 100%. Instead of calling him a traitor.
"Embarrassment is the word that comes to my mind," said Jamie Johnson, who served as Santorum's state coalitions director in Iowa.
That word would come to my mind 24/7 if I were part of the Santorum campaign.
Yes, he "won" in the sense that even though the people of the State of Iowa overwhelmingly rejected him and his message and did not actually vote for him, a small group of die-hard zealots have gamed the system to try and secure him delegates.
Hardly what I would call a win. But then hey, I'm one of those crazy kooks that actually respects the democratic process and the will of the people.
Generally, taking the vast majority of delegates is called "winning" the state. If that's not a win, I don't know what is. If the people didn't give enough of a damn to get their chosen guy delegates, that's their fault.
What were the results again?
Santorum 29,839
Romney 29,805
Paul 26,219
Doesn't look so overwhelming after all. Why couldn't Romney supporters be bothered to follow through?
a small group of die-hard zealots have gamed the system to try and secure him delegates.
Fuck Off!