No Good Cops Go Unpunished When They Stop a Beatdown
Whenever I read a news report about police assaulting a homeless guy or unleashing a stream of pepper spray on peaceful protesters, I always wonder where the good cops are. I mean, we're constantly assured that most police officers are good cops, and that their reputation is being besmirched by a few bad apples. So why aren't those good cops busy tasering their off-base colleagues? Or at least giving them a good thumping?
The answer, it appears is "Regina Tasca." She's a Bogota, New Jersey, police officer who responded to a medical call to transport an emotionally disturbed young man to the hospital. As per protocol, she called for backup. Two officers from Ridgefield arrived on the scene, and proceeded to whomp on Kyle, the guy they were supposedly helping. According to WPIX:
Tasca described what we see on the videotape: "The Ridgefield Park officer automatically charges and takes him down to the ground. I was quite shocked. As he's doing that, another Ridgefield Park officer flies to the scene in his car, jumps out and starts punching him in the head."
On the tape you can hear Tara, the mother, and Kyle, her son, screaming, "Why are you punching him?" and "Stop punching me!"
The two Ridgefield Park Sergeants are never heard refuting the claims that they punched the 22 year-old man as he was waiting for an ambulance.
Even worse, Kyle was never charged, nor arrested, for any offense. Tasca says it's because he never threatened, did not have a weapon, and indeed never resisted and was not violent. Eventually Tasca was able to pry the punching Ridgefield Park officer off Kyle, as seen in a picture taken by the Kyle's mother, who also later commended Tasca in a phone call.
You know what comes next, right? Yeah. After physically intervening against two violent colleagues-in-blue, Tasca'a job is at stake. She faces a departmental trial on charges that she's "psychologically unfit" to be a police officer.
I suppose that could be true. It all depends on what you're looking for in your police officers — and what kind of cops you're trying to screen out.
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Wait for the investigation.
why bother? reetard did something like spittle or roll an eyeball
Tasca is courageous, I love her.
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*please answer the white courtesy phone*
I defused a fight before it started a couple weeks ago at a bar. Someone said to me you know you should be a cop. I said huh? She says "you know that's what they look for, people who can stop conflicts before they get out of hand"
I just smiled and thanked her for the thought. Who am I to shatter people's delusions?
At which point, you should have asked her to step back. When she looks at quixotically, punch her in the gut and throw her on the ground. When she cries out in confusion, you call four of your buddies over to continue to demand she stop resisting, drop it, and to step back. After the cries of pain and shock wear off, dust her off and ask her "How was that?".
The "good" cops are the same as the "good" Germans. To afraid of the jackboots in their midst to do anything about. Oh, and pensions.
There were more "good Germans" in Nazi Germany than "good Americans" in police-state-America. God bless Tasca.
Weeding out a certain type of LEO.
It's systematic. The few "good" cops are relentlessly eliminated by the rest of the pigs. It's been going on for years, and will continue to go on, resulting in worse and worse police departments.
You are correct. Good cops are indeed weeded out. A friend of mine went through police academy and couldn't wait to be a cop. So he gets hired at one city, and on his first day he was told to knock a suspect off of his bicycle by opening the police car door while it was driving past the bike. They then told him to write up his report as "suspect resisting arrest".
He quit the next day out of disgust, and got a job in the neighboring city. Several of his new colleagues had also left that other city for the same reason. It's an initiation to see if you'll rat out the other cops or not.
I have a friend who became a cop in my town, and he's a big, fit, and intimidating guy but he's really nice. He says he gets a hard time from his supervisor and colleagues because of his refusal to write stupid tickets (rolling through a stop at an empty intersection, 4mph over in a 45, etc.), and for approaching people and situations with "too soft of an attitude". Those are things that should be applauded, if you ask me. The people that always move up quickly in the force according to him are the "young, militant and thug-like guys".
This is why there are no good cops.
There are several reasons why "good" cops seldom step in when "bad" cops engage in brutality. Fear of punishment is probably secondary. Of more immediate concern is the likelihood that bad cop is an armed psychopath. A cop can't shoot another cop like he could a civilian.
Of more immediate concern is the likelihood certainty that bad cop is an armed psychopath.
The whole bad apples thing has never made sense to me. "A few bad apples" comes from "A bad apple ruins the bunch." It came from when they would preserve apples by sealing them in barrels and sinking them into a lake or other cold place. A "bad" apple, wormy or with some blight, when sealed in the barrel would cause all the others to rot. The point is to make sure to catch the bad apples before mixing them with the rest, because the rest would be ruined.
for the phrasing to be correct, if there are a few "bad apples" in the police department, then you must consider the entire police department corrupted, wormy and moldy and vile.
Eliminationist rhetoric!
So based on your last sentence, why is it that the saying never made sense to you?
Because its current usage is "Oh it's a few bad apples, most of them are good! Therefore you shouldn't be worried! We'll root out th ebad apples and then continue to a land of milk and honey!"
Sugarfree is right. Bad apples that aren't weeded out ruthlessly and urgently will ruin the whole barrel
Because the "few bad apples" argument is that there are just a few individuals here and there that are the problem, rather than a systemic rot that can only be solved by throwing the whole barrel away.
See, I tried to use the humor tags but then reason kept marking my post as invalid.
Well, it is a bit of a convoluted sentence. I thought you might have been confused. And I often leave out entire words when I type.
If only we had a preview function!
SugarFree's got it. The end of the phrase is "spoils the bunch", meaning that the whole batch is spoiled already. The purpose of the phrase is to encourage ruthless rooting out of "bad apples" before the blight spreads.
for the phrasing to be correct, if there are a few "bad apples" in the police department, then you must consider the entire police department corrupted, wormy and moldy and vile.
Pretty much the consensus in these parts.
Saying "In order for X to be true then you must consider X to be true" is just a bit strange. Besides, aren't you supposed to be in a corner with a dunce cap on?
Which is precisely why police unions are anathema to a free society.
Police unions exist to assure job security.
Dying metaphors. A newly invented metaphor assists thought by evoking a visual image, while on the other hand a metaphor which is technically "dead" (e.g. iron resolution) has in effect reverted to being an ordinary word and can generally be used without loss of vividness. But in between these two classes there is a huge dump of worn-out metaphors which have lost all evocative power and are merely used because they save people the trouble of inventing phrases for themselves. Examples are: Ring the changes on, take up the cudgel for, toe the line, ride roughshod over, stand shoulder to shoulder with, play into the hands of, no axe to grind, grist to the mill, fishing in troubled waters, on the order of the day, Achilles' heel, swan song, hotbed.
Many of these are used without knowledge of their meaning (what is a "rift," for instance?), and incompatible metaphors are frequently mixed, a sure sign that the writer is not interested in what he is saying. Some metaphors now current have been twisted out of their original meaning without those who use them even being aware of the fact. For example, toe the line is sometimes written as tow the line. Another example is the hammer and the anvil, now always used with the implication that the anvil gets the worst of it. In real life it is always the anvil that breaks the hammer, never the other way about: a writer who stopped to think what he was saying would avoid perverting the original phrase.
Which begs the question: Is the "one bad apple" metaphor the exception that proves the rule? Because my head literally explodes when I hear people mis-using words and phrases like that.
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Yes, very good indeed!
Yes. Their use of language is egregious.
Did you head explode when you used beg the question incorrectly?
Apparently I have been using it incorrectly for years.
Thank you for alerting me to this.
I hate people like me..
Is that the ONLY thing you saw used incorrectly in that post? If so, you may want to re-read it a bit more carefully.
If we're gonna be all anal about this shit, you misused "begs the question". Evidently English & Rhetoric snobs have defined that phrase in a very narrow way.
It looks like a few people missed the point flying way over their heads.
Is that the ONLY thing you saw used incorrectly in that post? If so, you may want to re-read it a bit more carefully.
Words have meaning. When people use metaphors, it confirms that I am more intelligent because I can say exactly what I mean and I have no use for metaphors. Saying that something is "on steroids" is a most obnoxious metaphor.
All meaning is contextual, use-driven, and to a certain extent metaphoric. I do agree that "on steroids" is really, really annoying.
For example, toe the line is sometimes written as tow the line.
Its sad when a scholarly article goes wrong like this.
In Orwell's defense, the practice of lion-towing was not yet common in 1948.
WW2 interrupted lion shipments from africa.
I don't understand how people screw up toe the line. Although, my first exposure to the phrase was in BCT in the Army where it was used literally.
People who talk in metaphors oughta shampoo my crotch.
Short answer: because the people saying it are morons.
J.D. Tuccille is NOT EXEMPTED.
Am so!
Sorry. It's science.
Don't mess with science. You know what happens when you mess with science.
Oh, good, my slow clap generator is still working.
It's not just being wormy or moldy. Ripening apples (and other fruits) naturally produce ethylene, which encourages ripening in fruits. It's a positive-feedback cycle.
So one bad overripe apple also spoils the entire barrel.
Yes, that too. Ethylene is how they turn easy to ship under-ripe tomatoes red for the grocery store. Which is why homegrown or farmer's market tomatoes are usually light-years better; it's about the only time you are eating a ripe fresh tomato.
You can't play baseball with a vine ripened tomato the way you can with an ethylenated one.
Alton Brown says individually wrapping them in paper and storing them about an inch apart will keep them fresh much longer.
I think it comes from the stupid Osmonds song that asserts the opposite. I thought Mormons understood food preservation techniques.
You're supposed to make people suffer by including the link. :-p
I just want to be sure I understand you correctly, Sugarfree. Are you saying we should put cops in barrels, and sink them to the bottom of a lake? If so, then I see no flaw in this plan.
It sounds like Bogota taxpayers are about to be cutting a big check. (Not big enough to get their police department's leaders terminated, though, I'm sure.)
"I'm the only female--the first female ever--and the first and only gay female also."
Like the department said: "psychologically unfit" to be a police officer.
/sarc
This is absolutely horrible. Nothing else to say.
I almost don't believe it.
I'm so glad my town doesn't have a police department. The state cops show up eventually if you have a real emergency - and I've never seen them bother with regular ambulance calls.
Actually, a mental health call is typically responded to by police just about everywhere.
I grew-up in a town without cops. It was awesome!
This is what you reap when you screen out nothing but the goons and hairless apes.
But those are the only kinds willing to violate everyone's rights.
Clearly, she's not a violent sociopath and therefore isn't suited for the job of jack-booted thug police officer.
She's standing there with a taser, pepper spray, and a nightstick.
So why does she allow the beating to go on until she can pry the bad typical cop off?
Come on, RC, let's deal with reality here. How much worse would it have been if she had just started wailing on a fellow officer? She probably would have been arrested if she had actually done what should have been done.
Her vs two armed pychopaths with their blood up? She would have been dead and the kid would be headed for life in prison with a throwdown gun in his hand.
pepper spray is a pretty good deterrent, granted, now the thugs would be blind and with a gun.
Give 'em both a good dose of spray, then see which one is doing better and give him the juice.
Don't forget to chant "stop resisting."
Goose, gander, you know the drill.
She should have called for backup to undo the original backup.
but then who do you call to backup the backups backup?
(Ghostbusters)
(If you answered "Ghostbusters", you win.)
If she were smart, she would institute a big discrimination lawsuit, settle for six figures, and go into private security, where those firms actually care about not beating the hell out of and killing people and actually providing, you know, security.
I'd hire her.
She isn't interested in being smart. She is interested in being honorable.
When in Bogota.
...don't call Ridgefield Park.
Police talk translated:
"call for help" = good thumping
"urgent request for assistance" = urgent thumping
"call to police" - investigatory beatdown
"no calls" = random abuse
Gore Vidal said that if there was a videotape of Nixon strangling his wife, 25% (or was it 50%) of the people would not be convinced that he was strangling her.
Americans are no longer citizens - they simply refuse to think about the responsibility of overseeing government, including police.
Liberalism has succeeded in convincing a great many people that government is the only force for good in society, and therefore all government agencies are also only good.
yeah, because liberals are *so* pro-cop.
They certainly seem to be.
One Democrat in Texas is not representative of 'liberals'. Sorry.
How many examples do you need? Do you need to see a list of who voted in favor of the patriot act? Both sides are authoritarian. They just talk a good game. The guiding philosophy of of the so-called liberals is "government needs to do everything". That slides perfectly into a police state.
The Repubs are just as bad in the policies they push, but the neocons are hypocrites about it. However, many people still believe in the things that they give lip service to but ignore. Some of them even walk the walk (Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Rand Paul). So you can't really blame conservative thought for the current authoritarian overreach. Small government doesn't lead to this.
The overreach started with Bush's kneejerk creation of DHS, Patriot Act, etc. More legislators should have not caved to the 'you're with us or with the terrorists' mantra that was used to gain compliance.
If you think that the overreach started there, then you haven't read enough recent history. The bottom line is that both sides push and vote for this crap. But only one party's philosophy supports their actions. Small government philosophies have nothing to do with this shit. "The government should really do something about this" philosophy, however, leads us directly here.
Wow, that situation is sickening.
"You're obviously psychologically unfit, because that dude could have had a weapon. I mean I thought he might have had a weapon and I had a chance for a kill there; you stopped me. Cunt."
I guess they thought she called for backup because somebody needed an ass whooping.
Reminds me of a similar situation that was linked here a while back, where a cop showed up and immediately took a guy down from behind for no reason. Is that it? Is a call for backup cop code for "I need help kicking somebody's ass?"
That's a rhetorical question right?
Although it might be more along the lines of "I've got somebody that needs an ass kicking, anybody else want in?"
fucking pedantry.
Why has the DA not brought the attacking officers up to the grand jury?
I get the "blue line". Its horrible, but its understandable. But why would the DA participate. I know they do, but I dont understand why.
It's tit for tat. The DA gets good testimony in order to get more convictions.
He can get that anyone. Thats what subpoenas are for.
Subpoenas won't get cops who hate your guts to testily for you.
They're on the same team, members of the same tribe.
District Attorneys are elected, not appointed. To be re-elected, they need convictions. If a DA messes with a cop, all his buddies conveniently misplace vital evidence in high profile cases.
The pepper spray thing from OWS (CA) is a canard - if you look at the full video, the protesters had the cops surrounded. I don't think they shoulda been there in the first place, but once they were there, I don't know what else they could have done.
not pepper sprayed them?
You block an officer's path with the intent of preventing him or her from transporting an arrestee to a detention place, you invite force to be used upon you. Period. And that intention was made explicit as seen in the full video.
Uh, force wasn't used on the blockers. It was used on the ones being arrested. Looks like you're seeing what you want to see.
If your going to distort facts in your effort to defend police brutality, you might want to cruise over to Fox, because Reason is obviously not for you.
Licked their boots...
I'm sure the Bogota, NJ chapter of the Libertarian Party is all over this as part of their community outreach service.
I used to work in Ridgefield Park, and I had never heard of Bogota, NJ.
I grew up in Bergen Co and didn't know Bogota existed until I was in my early 20s when I dated a chick from work who lived there. I also got yelled at for pronouncing it like the capitol of Columbia.
How do you pronounce it? Boh-got-ah?
It sounds like Abe Vigoda
Seems easy enough to miss. From Google maps it looks like it's less than 1 sq mi.
You guys forgot the first rule of society. Never interfere with official police business, even if you're a cop.
My first rule is don't call the cops.
So this is what is protecting us from anarchy? Thanks.
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Why do you hate freedom-omelets served with apple pie on the side, you child-rapist?
Yesterday, the taxpayers forked over more cash in our town after tha cops beat and tased a fully-compliant dude who was playing loud music at his backyard BBQ.
jesusfuckingchristonacrapcrackerwtf.
Noise ordinances can eat some motherfucking hobodickcheese.
"Don't invite me to your BBQ huh, somebody is gettin fucking tased!"
Did she yell "stop resisting" when trying to pry the other officers off of the man? If not, then no wonder she is being investigated. She has to say that. It's more important to say that when physically confronting people than reading an arrestee's miranda rights.
Goddamnit!
You guys are just bigots. What about all the times a cop stops another cop from beating someone for no reason, and they just get ostracized and called names in the shower? That never makes the news. No, instead you guys find the one time that they make the punishment public. It's just confirmation bias.
u shower with other dudes?
How did you manage to miss both the sarcasm and the pronouns?
Probably my confirmation bias.
Phil Zimbardo who ran the infamous Stanford Prison Experiment didn't like the "one bad apple" saying. His observation from that and cases like Abu Ghraib is summed up "You can't be a sweet cucumber in a vinegar barrel".
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Even worse, Kyle was never charged, nor arrested, for any offense.
They were so distracted by this officer stopping their beat down that they forgot to plant the drugs on him?
+1
Serve and protect. Unless you're trying to protect an officer's prey. Then you don't get to serve and protect anymore.
That's the american way.
It's frightening to see how often police hurt or kill the people they were called to help. There was a case earlier this year where White Plains police killed a man (Kenneth Chamberlain) who activated his Life Allert pendant. Before that, there was a case in Florida where police beat a young man to death for "resisting arrest" because he was having an epileptic seizure.
A forum with several cops defending this conduct.
Excuse me attacking a diseased person or even a homeless bum, DOES NOT make you a good police officer. It makes you BAD. Bad cop no donut. Hahaha. So no donut for you. Prick. =) I'm watching you.
I spend a lot of time in Tampa, FL, and the TPD has an openly gay female chief who rose through the ranks. The citizens and the cops praise and respect her. Maybe Ofc Tasca can relocate to a bigger department where experience, good judgement and compassion are valued.
The bad cops give the other 5% a bad reputation. . .
The citizens of Bogota, New Jersey should give Officer Tasca a medal - and do it publicly, while *not* allowing any other cops to attend the ceremony.
And the cops who beat this kid? Someone(s) should catch them late at night and give them a large dose of their own medicine.