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Ron Paul Roundup: Missouri Caucus Chaos (with arrests!), The Delegate March Continues, Fundraising Slows in February

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Many of the upstream GOP meetings in which actual delegates are selected from precinct to county to state (in those caucus states where the hyped straw poll totals do not define how delegates will vote for candidates in Tampa, on which the Ron Paul campaign places so much emphasis) are happening now, and interesting results are arising.

A survey far and wide, from both news sources and Paul fans own accounts:

*The biggest excitement was in Missouri, where (in echoes of what happened at Nevada's state convention back in 2008) a St. Charles County GOP meeting was actually shut down (with arrests of two Paul supporters and police choppers on the scene) in response to parliamentary challenges from Paul people.

ABC has a good collection of links and anecdotes from that state. Some highlights:

  • The Kansas City Star reports that things got contentious in Clay County, too: "In Clay County, arguments between Paul supporters and others became so intense that the caucus chairman threatened to have voters removed by force. … [Paul supporter:] 'We raised a number of points of order, points of information, points of parliamentary inquiry, many of which have been ignored.'" http://bit.ly/zV6X

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  • Boone County, which encompasses Columbia and the University of Missouri, elected a slate of Ron Paul-backing delegates, after Paul supporters succeeded in electing their own caucus chair. (That's a normal part of caucus procedure: the first vote taken is on who will chair the meeting.) One GOP member described the Paul supporters as "loud, boisterous," and "obnoxious" at the meeting — although the local GOP chairman said things were civil and that GOP officials get along fine with the Paul people there. The caucus elected 48 Ron Paul delegates and 5 Mitt Romney delegates, according to a local GOP official.
  • Greene County (a large GOP county in Southwest Missouri, encompassing Springfield) elected a mixed slate of 65 Ron Paul delegates, 40 Mitt Romney delegates, and six Rick Santorum delegates. "A few [caucus attendees] got a little loud," said Danette Proctor, the county GOP chair who presided over the caucus. "But I just said, 'Be quiet.'"
  • In keeping with what seems to be a trend, a Ron Paul supporter in Lincoln County alleged that GOP officials violated caucus rules in an attempt to silence Paul supporters. Quote from a Ron Paul supporter, as posted on a blog: "They practically ignored the State GOP guidelines and rules. The severely butchered Robert's Rules of Order." Note: GOP caucuses (in Missouri, as well as in Iowa) are governed by Robert's Rules of Order, although Missouri counties can use their own rules … and then adopt new rules after electing a caucus chairman. http://bit.ly/xmimXP

*CNBC on the St. Charles GOP caucus madness:

Before even the opening prayer, police were called in to the caucus in St. Charles County to remove a video camera set up by a Paul supporter against the local rules, said Eugene Dokes, the country Republican chairman. Things went downhill from there. Caucus participants "started to become verbally aggressive with event organizers and police officers," said St. Peters Police Officer Melissa Doss.

"It definitely got wild," Dokes said. "I had to tell a number of people not to approach me, not to come from behind me and not to scream at me. I think there was the possibility of someone trying to inflict personal injury or harm to me."

A couple of minutes of video from the St. Charles scene:

*Brent Stafford, one of the Paul folk arrested at St. Charles, has his own account, with a parliamentarian-riffic batch of details:

I was trying to reconvene the meeting in the gymnasium, according to the rules, and was told I have the leave the gym along with everyone else or I would be trespassing. I went outside and tried to let everyone know we were going to try to reconvene. Some people we trying to go to a nearby park to do so, but the rules are clear the the caucus may only be held in the location printed in the Call to Caucus printed in a newspaper 15 days prior. The ONLY place we could reconvene was at the high school.

I stood on a chair to address the crowd to let them know we were going to reconvene and what we needed to do. At that point I was approached by told I was under arrest….

Eugene Dokes [St. Charles County Republican Committee Chairman] started the meeting by immediately declaring there would be no video or audio recording allowed, and that if anyone refused to stop, they would be removed by police. The entire room of what has been reported as over 2,500 people began booing and demanding that recording be allowed. It was not just Ron Paul people.

Eugene Dokes then refused to commence the meeting until everyone stopped recording. I made multiple attempts to make a point of order to address the situation, but he refused to acknowledge me. He then left the podium and called the police.

There were St. Peters Police, St. Charles Police, St. Charles County Sheriffs, and Missouri Highway Patrol that eventually came into the gymnasium and through threat of arrest made everyone turn off their cameras. Of course many did not.

Eugene Dokes then started to convene the meeting a second time.

Let me digress a moment. We had prepared very well ahead of time. I won't get into all of the details, but the Mitt Romney people agreed to support me for Chairman. This was an incredible vote of confidence in my ability to chair and to convene a fair process. I had also hire the President of the Missouri Association of Parliamentarians who I intended to appoint for that role. I never got that chance.

Eugene Dokes appoint the Creditial Committee, Rules Committee, and Parliamentarian. These are all appointments made by the elected Chairman, not the temporary Chair which is what Eugene Dokes was acting as. The body loudly booed and started making all kinds of points of order and other declarations of disgust at the blatant disregard for the proper process.

He then opened the floor for nominations. I immediately started nominating myself multiple times. He recognized a woman, who was obviously preselected, who nominated Matt Ehlen. At that point about 2,000 people started chanting my name to be appointed. Eugene Dokes ignored that and called a hasty voice vote and declared the one nominee, Matt Ehlen, as the Chair.

Hundreds of people started calling for Division of the vote. Eugene Dokes ignored them all.

Matt Ehlen took the podium and tried to regain order. After anout 20 seconds he declared that St. Charles County would not send any delegates to the CD and State Conventions. He quickly found motions to adjourn and closed the meeting….

*ABC's Jason Volack has a good piece summing up some GOP county brouhahas involving Paul people outside Missouri as well:

In Iowa, a half dozen counties reported disruptions during conventions. The most egregious example occurred in Polk County, where Paul supporters illegally tried to become delegates.

"They were abrasive, offensive, and self-centered," said Kevin McLaughlin, GOP chairman in Polk County.

In Colorado, Ron Paul supporters shouted down Denver County GOP Chairman Danny Stroud, demanding rule changes in favor of their candidate.

"A small, loud group attempted to hijack the assembly and trample on the rights of those who took time out of their busy lives to participate in the political process," Stroud said in a statement to the Denver Post….

However, Iowa's McLaughlin said Paul supporters were attempting to become delegates illegally.

State law clearly defines the manner in which delegates are elected, at precinct caucuses, yet some Paul supporters argued for a rule change that would allow them to be seated.

They were eventually voted down, but not before some protesters were thrown out because of repeated disruptions, including sneaking around backstage. Some were caught rifling through delegate packets trying to find precincts where people did not show up so they could claim those seats….

*The indispensable Paul fan news and commentary site Daily Paul has a useful and long open thread on Missouri shenanigans.

*In Athens-Clarke County, Georgia, Paul fans claim their slate of delegates is real while the "official" one is illegal.

*In fundraising terms, while Paul continues to pull in pretty big bucks minus any outright wins, his February take of $3.3 million was smaller than his January take of $4.5 million, and he's sitting on around $1.6 million right now, as ABC reports.

*In other Pauliana: Take the Ron Paul Supporter Quiz, and find out if you be Ronulan, Paultard, Paulite, Paulista, just Paul-Curious, or an enemy of liberty.

*Paul Data-mining: Very helpful compilations of a 2008-2012 campaign comparisons on Paul's performance in percentage terms state-by-state, and in raw vote number terms.

Some highlights: Paul has done better in percentage terms in every state except Mississippi, with the largest percentage point increases in Virginia (36), Wyoming (21), Vermont (18), Maine and Washington (both 17).

In raw vote terms, again doubling and more his total very common, with the best increases in Vermont (5.8x), Virginia (4.9x), South Carolina (4.85x) Washington (4.73x), and New Hampshire (3.11x).

My April Reason magazine cover story on Paul's campaign, and my forthcoming book, Ron Paul's Revolution: The Man and the Movement He Inspired.

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  1. See? 500,000 words as I predicted this AM.

    1. The ‘rules’ posted on the wall had not been and never were adopted. They held an illegal (under state rules) straw poll as people checked in to find out who you were voting for (overwhelmingly for Paul) then never brought anything to a vote, the couple of ‘votes’ they called and pretended to win had ‘point of order’ and ‘division’ calls multiple times. They purported to adjourn with no business and the caucus tried to continue but the organizers turned off the mic and asked police to clear the gym. The caucus then tried to continue outside but the person acclaimed by the crowd in the gym (by chants) to be chair was taken off his chair where he was standing to explain procedure to the crowd, and took him in handcuffs, arrested for tresspass. They couldn’t leave the location because it HAD to be at the place notice had been given for 15 days in advance.

      1. As for the ‘physical’ threat, we have lots and lots of video of the whole thing and it is lovely when lies are put on the record and you have clear proof they are lies.

        This is just the beginning. The reason there were hired police there is this was a Ron Paul win even in 2008. In a state where you do not have to register by party, apparently some 2008 delegates were Libertarian and first banned, then taken back as the challenge was overturned based on state law. The ‘rules’ posted not only would have banned cameras but would have let the organizers ban delegates for any reason at all, and specified they be ‘strong and true’ (or some wording like that) Republicans. BEcause they are the only judge of who is a strong and true Republican apparently.

        This is going to be interesting.

  2. As a non-American looking in, almost none of this article made any sense.

    1. Don’t waste too much of your time worrying about it and trying to decipher it all. It’s much ado about nothing.

  3. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ti…..10979.html

    Words fail me.

  4. Also, if that guys account is true and verifiable, that is pretty much the exact opposite of what the media was saying over the weekend. That temporary chairman was clearly in violation of multiple rules and the Paul people were in the right.

    1. The RonPaulFlix website has a collection of videos from youtube confirming Stafford’s story.

  5. So why do they bother with all of this complicated caucus shit if they are just going to ignore the rules (or fail to send any delegates) when it is convenient?

    1. how can you arrest anybody then?

  6. police choppers on the scene
    Cops on bikes increases the jackboot factor!

  7. …parliamentary challenges from Paul people.

    Code for lighting up the marijuana cigarettes.

  8. From the data mining link:

    Eric Dondero says:
    March 15, 2012 at 8:30 am
    Please note Ron Paul DOES NOT represent the libertarian movement. He is a pale-leftist. His views on foreign policy are entirely anti-liberty.

    We libertarians oppose Islamo-Fascism. We don’t want our wives/girlfriends forced to wear ugly black burkas from head to toe. Ron Paul appeases Islamism.

    In the future I’d ask you please do not apply our libertarian label to Ron Paul.

    DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    1. our libertarian label

      So Eric managed to obtain copyright and trademark on the word “libertarian”. I didn’t think he had it in him.

      1. More like a label maker. He is probably a regifter too.

      2. I tried that with Objectivism but I didn’t get very far.

        1. If you’re objective was to wreck Objectivism I’d say you did a heck of a job!

      3. Just out of curiosity, I did a quick search of the PTO trademark database. Exactly two live marks incorporating “libertarian”: “Libertarian Law Review” and “Libertarian Party.” Only a few other dead marks, the most interesting of which is “Hip Hop Libertarian.”

        I’m somewhat surprised at the paucity of “libertarian” marks.

        1. IP is theft, ProL. Why are you surprised?

    2. Re: Eric Dondero,

      We libertarians oppose Islamo-Fascism.

      THIS libertarian opposes Stato-Fascism, Eric.

    3. Dondero: Bed-wetter extraordinaire.

      Still wearing the pin of The One True Libertarian Rick Perry, Ewik? Moron.

      1. Who is he supporting this time? Obama?

        1. Considering how consistent he is in supporting the least libertarian candidate possible, I assume he’s a Santorum fan, in both senses of the word.

          1. santorum is only his backup pick, pending the failure of his attempt to make a chimera out of a combination of hitler, stalin, and mao’s DNA (that he collected personally by sucking them off.)

            1. And Giuliani.

              1. with a splash of bloomberg.

      2. Eric Dondero: the joe of TEAM RED.

        1. Not even joe would support that pathetic of a mustache.

          1. He would if he thought it made him look taller or more like an ACORN volunteer.

            1. They do Zod’s work.

              Kneel before Zod.

            2. If joe wants to be taller, he should stand on Ewik’s fat neck.

              1. I cannot even imagine the hilarity that would ensue if you got those two together after a few beers and got them arguing about politics. How many minutes before one challenged the other to a fight? I say about 3.

                1. IN PERSON? never.

                  On line, 3 tops.

                  1. I would like to point out to the newer posters that I have the distinction of being the only person who ever got joe pissed enough for him to threaten physical violence if we met in real life.

                    1. So what’s your secret?

  9. Before even the opening prayer, police were called in to the caucus in St. Charles County to remove a video camera set up by a Paul supporter against the local rules, said Eugene Dokes, the country Republican chairman.

    “Now, I’m just a simple country Republican, and I don’t claim to know all the fancy ways of you city folk, but what I do know is that – DO NOT APPROACH ME DO NOT COME AT ME FROM BEHIND DO NOT SCREAM AT ME. I just saw the season finale of The Walking Dead last night and I’m still a little jumpy.”

    1. The rules were optimistically posted on the wall by the organizers but since the vast majority was clearly opposed to the organisers’ agenda, they were never voted in and were never in effect. And there is a ton of video. Apparently the natural reaction when ordered to turn off one camera is for everyone with a cell phone to take it out and start filming.

      1. Apparently the natural reaction when ordered to turn off one camera is for everyone with a cell phone to take it out and start filming.

        hope for humanity rising…

  10. I got anarcho-capitalist on that quiz.

    Some of the answers were pretty clever.

    1. Which one? What is the link?

      Thanks

    2. I lol’d heartily when one of the options for “3 items you never leave home without?” was “monocle, top hat, and cane”.

      I got an-cap as well.

  11. In Athens County, Georgia, Paul fans claim their slate of delegates is real while the “official” one is illegal.

    There is no Athens County in Georgia. Athens, Ga is my hometown and I am proud of it. REM, B-52s, Widespread Panic, Drive-by-Truckers, Kim Basinger and others call it home as well.

    We are surrounded by Georgia Rednecks but have never surrendered.

    1. Christ. I wish I say that my hometown were not home to your whack-a-lunacy, but there it is.

      1. Doherty fixed it. He is a good guy. I disagree about the Fed but he is 90% spot on.

        As for you? You have nothing.

        1. Doherty? The Gator?

    2. Athens unified with Clarke County over twenty years ago to form Athens-Clarke County.

      So you’re half right, which for you is absolutely astounding.

      1. Its still Clarke County.

        Where are you from? Auburn? Waycross? Albany, Ga?

        I have a vague recollection but don’t remember.

        I’ll crush you in debate anytime. Remember I am a secular capitalist. You will have to argue as what you are for real.

        1. Meet me at the next All-Night Meeting at Demosthenian. You’d be hard-pressed to crush velvet.

          1. Is it still there? Its about four buildings down from College Ave.

            I’d love to debate the entire Demosthenian Society. I am not shy at all.

            Remember I am a secular capitalist. You will might find opposition difficult.

          2. btw, you should look into the Peabody Awards.

            Who do you like who has won one (sponsored by UGA)?

            Really, lets test your mettle now.

            I would fucking crush you Ralph Reed little bastards.

            He is your goddamn hero, I know it. The fucker lied while at UGA and lies as a goddamn conservative every fucking day.

            John loves him.

            1. I knew Ralph. A really good speaker and a pretty funny guy – until he found God on a bar stool. I never figured out who was on the bar stool.

              1. OK. I accept that.

                I am still going to beat you into pulp in a debate.

                And any one of you little GOP prawns as well.

            2. The Master Debater TuffGai act is the perfect cherry on top of your insane retarded mind Shriek.

              1. I have not lost yet.

                Granted, as a secular capitalist I stake out the high ground.

              2. btw, Like the great Hitch, I won’t lose.

                Never.

                Ever.

                Especially to some Ralph Reed cumstain from the Demosthenian Love Shack.

                1. If you were a REAL capitalist, shrike, you’d drop Obama like [insert metaphor for something unpleasant}.

                  Doesn’t mean you have to go Team Red, as they suck as well. But, really… Team Blue??

                2. I’M CHOKING ON MY OWN SHIT.

      2. Huh. The Athens-Clarke County Unified Government. Sounds oddly totalitarian to me.

        1. They’re working towards it.

  12. On the quiz. Question 14 had me loling

    14. What three items do you never leave home without?

    Communist Party membership card, beret, Molotov cocktail.

    Canvas shopping bag, reusable water bottle, solar charger.

    Keys, wallet or purse, cell phone.

    Top hat, monocle, cane.

    Copy of the constitution, a gun, bag of gold.

    1. Beat me to it! Must scroll down to the bottom of threads from now on.

  13. Paul continues to pull in pretty big bucks minus any outright wins

    From the excerpts above, it sounds like he might have won Missouri.

    And what about USVI?

  14. *cough*blowjob*cough*

  15. Should that be “Ron Paul’s REVOlution”?
    The republican party is no place for limited government and more freedom.

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  17. Hey, look! The corpse is twitching!

  18. Keep humping, Brian!

  19. The video evidence of what happened (multiple sources) clearly indicate that Mr Dokes and company violated party protocol, rules and – frankly – common sense. He should step down and the rescheduled event should be broadcast on live TV.

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    1. I know all of you wonder just how I’m able to juggle pointless commentary, navel gazing, AND licking windows. Well, the answer is simple: semen. That’s right, semen. It’s the power drink that keeps me going day in, day out. When I’m fagged and shagged after an evening of virtual ultratrolling on the Intartubes, I just grab the nearest cock and start gobbling. Sure, there are substitutes, but ? given the cleanliness of my fellow fellators ? rim jobs just aren’t an option. Semen, that pearly power straight from the penis. Try it ? it works for me.

      1. I’m wondering if that was a Max spoof.

  21. Dude is making no sense at all man, Im talking zero!

    http://www.Anon-Planet.tk

  22. At some point, there will likely be a deal. Ron Paul gets to make a midnight speech at the Nat convention. Then he goes away quietly and promises to not keep runing or formally endorse some third party guy like Gary Johnson.

    1. Jesus Christ, who besides Doherty, who’s trying to sell his stupid book, gives a flying fuck who Ron Paul endorses? Let’s see, what has less value than bat shit?

    2. NO deals that is the Point of having Principals and Morals when faced with evil little worms.

  23. Guys, regardless of who you support, the stories about these caucus meetings are important and very disturbing. It is not a trivial matter.

    Watch the videos of the Missouri event. The only point of those running the meeting was to install their people.

    And, the most important thing is that police forces from multiple jurisdictions were doing the Republican insiders’ bidding. If you’re in my house with a camera, and I don’t want that, and you don’t leave, then you’re trespassing.

    Having a camera at a public meeting, with an illegitimate rule banning cameras that hadn’t been approved by the caucus, is not trespassing. Yet, the cops threatened arrest and in one case did arrest a guy. Then, they simply arrested Brent Stafford while he was talking outside.

    This is the police state in the open for all to see. And many of you joke about it.

    1. You wouldn’t know an actual police state from a pile of dog shit, idiot.

    2. This is the police state in the open for all to see. And many of you joke about it.

      Of course we joke about it. Most of us have known things were this fucked up since we were old enough to critically read the news. Keeping up the appropiate level of outrage to this shit would put you in a grave by 30. The sad thing is that people usually get the government they deserve. Most people in this country want the police state. It’s fucking pathetic. So pathetic, in fact that it makes you want to cry.

      So which do you choose? Laugh or cry?

      1. Coeus,

        I agree with what you say. I’ve been thinking about this stuff for decades, and the level of fuckedupedness is not surprising to me.

        Yet, when I see it in such plain view, and realize how little people care about it, it burns me up inside. Yeah, heart damage.

        So, sure, laugh. But I never want the “cry”, the outrage, the heart-hurting to fully go away.

  24. Please consider going to AmerincansElect.org and voting to give Ron Paul a second window of Opportunity to get in the Presidential Race 2012!

  25. Your idea of a fun day includes:

    Arguing about the capital gains tax with Occupy protesters and then going to a shooting range.

    HOW DID THEY KNOW?

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