Regulation

One Woman Is Fighting Back Against Bloomington's Taxi Cartels

Julie Crowe's dream of starting her own business was stifled when a group of potential competitors pressured City Hall not to give her a taxi license.

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BLOOMINGTON, ILL – Julie Crowe's dream of starting her own business was stifled when a group of potential competitors pressured City Hall not to give her a taxi license.

In this small central-Illinois college town, Crowe perceived there is a need for the services she could provide driving drunken college students from downtown bars to dormitories, fraternities and sororities.

She had been doing this as an employee for an existing shuttle bus service but wanted to start her own business.

"These girls come out of the bars inebriated in these skimpy little outfits and the last thing they want is to get in a van with some guy who they don't know," she said. "I want to make sure they get home safe and take them right to their doors."

Last year, Bloomington rejected Crowe's request to add a 15-seat van to the city's mix of cabs and buses after competitors said the market was saturated. While Crowe's situation may seem unique, it's a common predicament faced by folks wanting to enter the heavily regulated taxicab industry.

"The regulations exist to protect people already in the industry—not consumers. The people who generally use taxis are out-of-towners who aren't organized and don't have much political clout in a given community where a service is offered, Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, said. "The taxicab owners, on the other hand, are a concentrated industry in most communities with just a few owners who have political influence."

The economic barriers to starting a taxi business vary depending on the city.

"In New York a taxi medallion costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. In a town like Bloomington, the upfront fee may be $20 but if you are looking at a hearing where your competitors are going to testify against you—you are going to feel you are going to have to hire an attorney—and suddenly the cost of entry becomes quite a bit higher," Olson said.

Last year, Crowe didn't hire a lawyer when her hearing was held. Her efforts to start her own business began unraveling then.

"I had a hearing before the city manager and all of my potential competitors showed up to testify against me or wrote letters against my application," Crowe said.

Crowe's application was denied on the grounds that her business was "not in the public interest."

A later appeal to the full Bloomington City Council was also rejected on the grounds that the community didn't need another shuttle service. 

But not all of those using the shuttles see it that way.

"These buses provide a valuable service because the alternative is some college students will drive drunk," said ISU student Michael Kasper, a business administration major. "And there aren't enough buses out there. I've left bars at closing time and there wasn't a bus available to take me home. Then you end up calling friends and try to find someone who is sober and willing to get out of bed at 2 a.m. to give you a ride. That's not easy"

With students like Kasper expressing a desire for more buses, Crowe is perplexed by her denial.

"You want competition. Competition raises the standards. You want someone there engaging the kids, providing a friendly ride home because the others will have to do that—because they are competing with me," Crowe said.

In February, she filed a lawsuit against the city of Bloomington.

"Why they would want to limit people's ability to earn in favor of other people's ability to earn is I don't know. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense," she said.

Crowe will be represented at no cost by the Liberty Justice Center, a new law firm funded by the Illinois Policy Institute, a free-market think tank based in Chicago. Her case is the organization's first.

The Liberty Justice Center hopes the case can establish a legal precedent that can be used in similar cases throughout Illinois.

Jacob Huebert, a lawyer for Liberty Justice Center, said the only way to know if the market is saturated is to "let the market work."

"City planners have no way to know what the 'right number' of taxis in a community are any more than they have an idea on the 'right number' of restaurants or grocery stores," Huebert said. "Obviously, food and gasoline are critical services to be offered in a community but you don't have any cities saying how many grocery stores or gas stations are needed. And yet with taxis they handle things differently. That's not right."

The lawsuit filed by Huebert said the city's ordinance restricting competition violates the Illinois Constitution's guarantee of due process of law.

The situation in Bloomington is hardly unique.

"What we are dealing with are controlled monopolies. The focus shifts away from consumers and is all about protecting the economic interests of those in the industry. The fares are set by the city so there is no negotiating for a better rate. And the number of taxi licenses is restricted so there is absolutely no incentive to offer better service," said Sam Staley, a researcher at the Reason Foundation.

But many of those already in the industry see things differently. Alfred Lagasse, CEO of the Taxicab, Limousine & Paratransit Association, said restricted entry into the marketplace actually benefits the consumer.

"Service suffers when you open up a city to more taxi competition. You have more drivers chasing the same number of fares, so they avoid the runs that take the most time—like helping an elderly person get in to a car," he said. "If an industry is perceived as unstable, it is harder for cab owners to get financing to buy newer vehicles, purchase a dispatching system or make other improvements that also benefit the consumer. Deregulation is bad for the owners, it's bad for the drivers and its bad for the consumer."

George Lutfallah, publisher of the Taxicab Times, added the public views cabs as a commodity.

"It's not like when someone flags down a cab, they pick one because they think it is better than another," he said.

But that's not always the case, said Julie Crowe, the would-be Bloomington shuttle bus owner.

"Right now, the bars are served by these 'party buses' which are just old school buses. The women on there are drunk, guys, who also drunk, are hitting on them. Fights are breaking out. People are vomiting on the bus and drivers don't even drop the girls off at their front door. They drop them off at drop off point and make them walk.

"I think I can compete by driving a smaller shuttle where I have better control and can keep a fight from breaking out. Women will feel more comfortable riding with me because I'm a woman who will take them right to their front door and make sure they get home safely. "

Kiley Beck, an ISU nursing major, said she doesn't mind the raucous behavior on the party buses but added, "If this woman would drive me my front door that would be awesome. It would be a great service. That's just sweet."

Scott Reeder is National Investigative Reporter for the Franklin Center.

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  1. “Service suffers when you open up a city to more taxi competition. You have more drivers chasing the same number of fares, so they avoid the runs that take the most time?like helping an elderly person get in to a car,”

    Instead of “think of the kids” it’s “think of the old people”. Like most of the “think of the kids” arguments, the point is exactly the opposite. If you have more taxis chasing the same number of fares why would a driver be more likely to avoid a fare of any kind? Even if the driver did avoid the fare, it would be more likely that another driver would be willing to take it. It’s the times when there are fewer cabs when the drivers have an incentive to pick and choose.

    1. You’re right dave; look at it this way:
      “Service suffers when you open up a city to more taxi competition.”
      So if we had one taxi, service would be pretty good, and zero taxis, why, those no-taxis would be right there!

      1. Big government Land-EnTITLEment is a cartel of agricultural city-Statism to restrict the free movement of people to hunt and gather a free lunch.

        Why?

        To starve people into working in the capitalist cartel’s fields, factories, offices, and armies.

        They call it a “free market.” Yeah, and “slavery is freedom,” too.

        1. At least not the way you put it, you damned Enemy of the city-State.

        2. O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma!

          1. Watch Fibertard try to distract from the truth that Gambol Lockdown’s Privation Property = a CARTEL of Land enTITLEments!

            1. Join me, and vote BARACK OBAMA 2012!

              He’ll end economic growth and tear down evil civilization in no time!

              1. he’ll fuck it all up faster than any of them

      2. Exactly, if there were no taxis then no taxi would be waiting at your front door every time you wanted no taxi.

    2. Just like any other big-government enTITLEment like Land Titles.

      It’s what capitalism is all about.

      What part of private property don’t you get, reason?

      1. YOU ARE!

        1. Are you talking about me, Julie Crowe, the Taxi Forager?

          And what do you have against people who do lose against big-government capitalist privation property lockdowns on gamboling and taxi driving and stuff?

          1. YOU ARE!

            1. …how much Schadenfreude is property libertarian?

              1. “and not a loser.”

                HOLY SHIT YOU’RE MAD ABOUT THAT!!!

                AHAHAHAAHHA I WAS FUCKING WITH YOU< BUT YOU REALLY ARE PISSED

                AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

                1. you’re like Nancy Pelosi as a girlfriend during a break-up

                  batshit crazy obsessed

                  1. “batshit crazy obsessed”

                    Like last time when you were so pissed about losing you brought it up in a different thread THREE DAYS LATER?

                    AHAHAHAHAAHHHA

                    YOU’RE BUTTHURT BECAUSE YOU LOST

                    1. “batshit crazy obsessed”

                      Like last time when you were so pissed about losing you brought it up in a different thread THREE DAYS LATER?

                      AHAHAHAHAAHHHA

                      YOU’RE BUTTHURT BECAUSE YOU LOST

                    2. Siding with the LOCKOUT-minded Taxi Union Monopoly. Of course — lack of control is threatening.

                    3. Siding against the PRIVATE PROPERTY that Medallions represent. Of course — Medallion PRIVATE PROPERTY is threatening.

                      ~More libertarian than thou
                      Logic PWND

                    4. Sign on forehead of Nature Mystic says, “MIND CLOSED, Out of Service”…..

                    5. Why do you love city-Statism (civilization) so much, with it’s well documented initiation-of-aggression, Randroid?

                      I know. You’re just a murderous killer.

                      “Civilization [city-Statism] originates in conquest abroad and repression at home.”
                      Stanley Diamond, In Search of the Primitive: A Critique of Civilization, page 1, first sentence

      2. They hate private property so much because a union is involved.

        If farmers became unionized, reason would KOCHswallow eliminating Land itself as private property.

        They’ll argue whatever it takes, whichever side is convenient for the day. Zero principles, save one: anti-union.

        1. Which union would that be? Cause I didn’t see a mention of unions in the article

        2. Unions are fine as long as they don’t use force or have the government use force for them. You can bargain but can’t force a deal.

    3. That quote pretty much sums up how ignorant of the market people in these entrenched industries are. If taxis were reluctant to pick up the elderly, very shortly, someone would start a service to cater to that niche market. They would likely then build their taxi fleet around services the elderly would need: just a few off the top of my head would be fewer seats to accommodate wheelchairs, automated wheelchair lifts, and hydraulic system to drop the right side lower to the ground at stops to make for a shorter step up. As a result, all customers get better service, the elderly get specialized services and the fleets that decide to forgo that small part of the market can take care of the other customers faster. Imagine that!

  2. I was debating this with a usually free-market Swedish friend of mine. He said the problem with taxis in Sweden is that they aren’t regulated and pointed to the London taxi system as superior.

    I asked if anyone was able to act as a taxi or if the state licensed it. He brought up drivers licenses and hijincks ensued.

    1. If one has problems with Swedish taxis, one could: drive, take public transportation, walk, ride a bike, use a jetpack, et alia.

      See, problem solved with no need for the onerous hand of government!

      1. Yes, but this is rather disingenuous. I think that the problem with Swedish taxis is not that they are unregulated but that they are heavily licensed.

        1. All Private Property in the agricultural city-STATE (cvilization) is stuff that is TAKEN by force, and that taking is enforced by government.

          Even the house you live it. You pay property taxes, right? ADMIT IT.

          And get used to it, numbskull.

          RIGHT TO TAKE = FREEDOM!

          “[The Native Americans] didn’t have any rights to the land … Any white person who brought the element of civilization had THE RIGHT TO TAKE over this continent.” ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974

    2. In London they have taxis, the traditional black ones, and cabs, which are ordinary passenger cars. Cabs are cheaper but there is an issue with unlicensed cabs that are alleged to be more dangerous because they’re harder to trace and the drivers sometimes assault and/or rob their fares. I offer this only as a point of information. Don’t have any stats about crime by unlicensed cab drivers.

      1. it’s london. you’re gonna get assaulted/robbed no matter what you do.

        1. and in London, the cops will arrest you if you resist the muggers.

          -jcr

          1. Well, if you resist too hard they will.

      2. “unlicensed cabs that are alleged to be more dangerous because they’re harder to trace and the drivers sometimes assault and/or rob their fares.”

        This ‘argument’ is pretty standard fare (!) in the protectionist racket. It’s certainly possible, but any victims would have a pretty good description of the robber, so it sounds far-fetched.
        I’ve also *never* seen evidence, just claims.

        1. Since taxi medallions are privation property, just like Land enTITLEments for which you pay the government property taxes to prevent gamboling about plain and forest, do you favor unregulated gamboling, Sevo?

          If so, you too might be a White Indian.

          Welcome to the tribe, Sevo.

          1. Become Brother with White Indian.

            We gambol about plain, forest, and NYC canyons long time.

        2. I don’t think it’s far-fetched, but I don’t have stats either. I’d think a shit-faced woman who needs to get home after a night of clubbing is probably at least marginally better off with someone licensed.

      3. In case it wasn’t clear, most of the cabs are licensed too.

  3. Crowe’s application was denied on the grounds that her business was “not in the public interest.”

    Why the fuck must a business be ‘in the public interest”? The only ‘interest’ a business should be concerned about is its potential customers’.

    1. Yeah, getting drunk college students home safely is generally perceived to be in the public interest. Prohibitionists would argue her proposal is a bandaid and condones binge drinking and should therefore be denied.

  4. It sounds like the City Council is not in the public’s interest.

    1. this*10^26

  5. competitors said the market was saturated.

    Case closed.

  6. City Planners are a tribe of delusional buttinskis, with a long and miserable record. I’m continually amazed that anybody listens to them at all.

    1. Raging against the city-state?

      City-Statism (civiliation) certainly does have a long and miserable record.

  7. “Crowe’s application was denied on the grounds that her business was “not in the public interest.”

    Welcome to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Glory be unto Great October.

    Ura! Ura! Ura!

  8. Crowe didn’t hire a lawyer when her hearing was held.

    That’s impressive; she pissed *all* the rent-seekers off.

    1. You’re right; not even a lowly ambulance-chaser got his cut.

    2. Crowe didn’t hire a lawyer when her hearing was held.

      Unfortunately, when you start a business, there are two things that you are going to need: a good lawyer and a good accountant. If you are putting together a business plan, you must consider their fees in your initial start-up costs. Otherwise, in today’s climate, you are setting yourself up for failure. The lawyer knows exactly whose palm(s) to grease, and will do it for you…for a fee, of course. In fact, the bribe(s) are figured right into the lawyers fees. You need not know a thing. What? You think the lawyer wants you to know who is getting bribed?

  9. Big government Land-EnTITLEment is a cartel of agricultural city-Statism to restrict the free movement of people to hunt and gather a free lunch.

    Why?

    To starve people into working in the capitalist cartel’s fields, factories, offices, and armies.

    They call it a “free market.” Yeah, and “slavery is freedom,” too.

    1. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

      1. “You’ll know you’re among the people of your culture if the food is all owned, if it’s all under lock and key. But food was once no more owned than the air or the sunshine are owned. No other culture in history has ever put food under lock and key?and putting it there is the cornerstone of your economy, because if the food wasn’t under lock and key, who would work? If it’s all owned, if you want some, you’ll have to buy it.

        “There’s only one way you can force people to accept an intolerable lifestyle. You have to lock up the food.”

        FOOD UNDER LOCK AND KEY
        A Condensation of Daniel Quinn Thought
        http://www.lejournalmural.be/e…..a-1.html#7

        1. Why is food under lock & key?

          Because primitives like me will selfishly steal it in raiding parties.

          “Fully developed adults grow beyond primitive selfishness.”

          ~Jason Godesky

          https://reason.com/blog/2012/03…..nt_2920833

          1. ? Is any white person‘s right an individual or collective right?
            ? Is the right to take a negative or positive right?

            “[The Native Americans] didn’t have any rights to the land … Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent.” ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974

            1. …and you should too. She’s all about freedom.

              1. But of course. As long as you’re on the right side, and not a loser.

                1. “and not a loser.”

                  HOLY SHIT YOU’RE MAD ABOUT THAT!!!

                  AHAHAHAAHHA I WAS FUCKING WITH YOU< BUT YOU REALLY ARE PISSED

                  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

        2. FREE THE GODESKY BURGERS!!!!!!!

          1. …and you should too. He’s all about freedom.

            The way we choose to live has consequences…The future promises us lives as humans were meant to live them?free, respected as persons, respected as peers, subject to none.

            Thesis #30: The future will be what we make of it.
            22 January 2006
            The Thirty Theses
            by Jason Godesky
            http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/index.html

            1. “Libertarians luv Godesky”

              When I’m right I’m right, like when I said the following

              “Fully developed adults grow beyond primitive selfishness.”

              ~Jason Godesky

              https://reason.com/blog/2012/03…..nt_2920833

              1. go for 500 cut and pastes today, Fibertard

    2. Man cross cabbage and radish, create evil agricultural city state!!

      1. don’t even get me started on the wickedness that is The Loganberry.

        1. It created the city state!!

          1. Botany Bay? Oh, no!

            1. “Agriculture creates government.”

              ~Richard Manning
              Against the Grain, p. 73
              http://www.amazon.com/Against-Grain-A…..0865476225

          2. “Agriculture creates government.”

            ~Richard Manning (this guy)
            Against the Grain, p. 73

            1. “meant to be”?!

              Liked the fat gold signet ring on his hand.

      2. Agricultural intensification meant more warfare. Submission to this pattern requires that all aspects of society form an integrated whole from which there is little or no escape. With domestication, division of labor now produces full-time specialists in coercion: for example,definitive evidence shows a soldier class established in the Near East by 4500 B.C.

        Domestication erects the rigid boundaries of surplus and private property, with concomitant possessiveness, enmity, and struggle for ownership. Even conscious mechanisms aimed at mitigating the new realities cannot remove their ever-present, dynamic force.

        The Origins of War
        John Zerzan
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/20298938/Ze…..ins-of-War

        1. “Now we can see that life before domestication/agriculture was in fact largely one of leisure, intimacy with nature, sensual wisdom, sexual equality, and health.” — John Zerzan

          Even Pigmentally Challenged Native would have gotten laid. Or not… observe the “largely” disclaimer.

          1. Yeah, it was so much fun that pretty much the whole damn world just laid about, fucked, and picked fruit of the trees.

            Oh wait a minute, they didn’t. Everyone who could started farming.

            Hmm, is it possible that that means that the hunter/gathereer lifestyle isn’t all its cracked up to be?

  10. George Lutfallah, publisher of the Taxicab Times, added the public views cabs as a commodity.

    “It’s not like when someone flags down a cab, they pick one because they think it is better than another,” he said.

    That would be horrible, wouldn’t it? Imagine how hurtful it would be if a cab stopped and the passenger refused to get in, because a better one was coming right behind it.

    1. the free market doesn’t allow gamboling

      it’s not capitalist

  11. Like Brandon Lee, Crowe should put on white clowne makeup and prowl the city in defiance of permits, avenging herself upon the night by stalking drunk sorority girls and shuttling them to their doors in her minivan.

    1. I see what you did there.

    2. I don’t think driving around looking like the Joker would help her business.

  12. I used to think it would be nice to have some weekend topics, but now all that happens on any weekend is the pseudo intellectual of the wild shits all over the living room.

    1. HOLY SHIT YOU’RE MAD ABOUT THAT!!!

      AHAHAHAAHHA I WAS FUCKING WITH YOU< BUT YOU REALLY ARE PISSED

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

      1. Like last time when you were so pissed about losing you brought it up in a different thread THREE DAYS LATER?

        AHAHAHAHAAHHHA

        YOU’RE BUTTHURT BECAUSE YOU LOST

      2. ~The Fibertarian Shit All Over Crew

        1. Like last time when you were so pissed about losing you brought it up in a different thread THREE DAYS LATER?

          AHAHAHAHAAHHHA

          YOU’RE BUTTHURT BECAUSE YOU LOST

        2. BWAAAA

  13. I like how the libertarians talk to the trolls.
    They never learn!
    Funny.

    1. on the one hand, it encourages the troll.

      on the other hand, the more encouragement the troll receives, the more retarded it reveals itself to be.

      1. There is nothing you can do. He is going to shit all over the threads no matter what. You can’t him seriously or try to argue with him. He is too stupid and irrational for that. So, his posts are just a warning of what happens when a board refuses to police its posters.

  14. states rights? city rights?

    1. The freedom of people to make a living?

      1. Ya think?

    2. States don’t have rights in relation to citizens, only obligations and restrictions.

  15. While Crowe’s situation may seem unique

    If you’ve never read anything from Reason before, maybe. From your house under a rock that hasn’t moved since the the 1920’s

  16. I can’t deny, I think the phrase “gambol lockdown” is a comedy classic.

    1. It is all comedy classic. But it is what Reason gets for being the last place on the net that does nothing to police its threads. You end up with the bottom of the barrel trolls who have been banned from every forum from Kos to Free Republic and have nowhere else to go.

        1. You preach it brother.

          1. haven’t you seen?

            1. Rational like believing that man will voluntarily go back to living in a pre civilized state. Really rational things like that.

              1. I preach for War and Famine rather than botany.

                1. Better than spoofing any argument we don’t have an answer to.

                  1. PeeWee.

                  2. can’t handle mockers

                    1. Tries to cover his tracks like his butt-buddy Stalin.

                    2. Off the scientists!

                    3. Pol Pot wanted to:?
                      (a) “restart civilization”?
                      (b) by cleansing civilization of liberal influences?
                      (c) and punishing and starving out people he regarded as subhumans?
                      (d) at Year Zero.

                      Ayn Rand wanted also to:?
                      (a) restart civilization?
                      (b) by cleansing civilization of liberal influences?
                      (c) and punishing and starving out people she regarded as subhumans?
                      (d) with a wave of the dollar brand cigarette.

                      Not much difference! But what else would you expect from a philosophical movement inspired by a serial child killer?

  17. At least this time.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/…..vis-hanson

    Why, then, is he asking us to believe that putting off limits vast areas of known oil and gas reserves in Alaska, offshore, in the West, and in the Gulf of Mexico will not have much effect on gasoline prices? Vast new production of natural gas on private lands has helped radically lower natural-gas prices. But drilling for new oil is again caricatured as it was in 2008 (when candidate Obama advised us instead to inflate our tires and tune up our cars; this time he is touting algae), as if newly pumped oil from a freshly discovered field were not as efficacious as previously pumped oil from a reserve.

  18. Weather at Indian wells permitted Azerenka to decisively beat Sharipova for the Women’s trophy. Now the American giant, Isner, faces Djokovic. Hope the weather holds.

    Djokovic is a big guy but 6’9″ Isner makes him look small.

    1. Be nice if there was one American who could compete in the top ten.

    2. Correctly no JOKAVICH, rather Federer faces Isner. Idiot!

      1. booooo, Novak is my fave.

    3. Looked like a rain-out but cleared and the sunshine returned. 4-4 first set.

  19. Wow you gotta give theat old geezer credit. Amazing.

    http://www.Anon-World.tk

  20. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G…..Cigarettes

    “What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”

    In addition, he reported, he had asked the local school board to make the anti-gun message a part of “every day, every school, and every level.”

    1. That’s pretty rich for a guy who recently explained to us proles that the American government can use sophisticated military firepower to execute American citizens without trial.

  21. Bored not same as mad.

    Just so you know.

    1. Neither is annoyed.

      1. Bornnoyed.

  22. “Service suffers when you open up a city to more taxi competition.”

    This can be easily translated to: “I might have to try harder if someone else is doing it better than me, and we can’t have that.”

    Untranslated, it makes zero sense. He seems to be saying that people will do a worse job of providing service in order to make more money, more quickly. Um, what?

    1. He seems to be saying that people will do a worse job of providing service in order to make more money, more quickly. Um, what?

      Hey, it’s good enough for gov’t work…

  23. If the Trumps weren’t disgusting enough already:

    Camping World, one of the show’s sponsors this season, has vowed not to work with Celebrity Apprentice in the future following the release earlier this week of photos of Donald Trump Jr. and younger brother Eric posing with a dead elephant, a crocodile and other animals they killed while on safari in Zimbabwe last year.

    […]

    Papa Trump appeared to be in his boys’ court as late as yesterday, telling Extra, that Don Jr. and Eric are “expert hunters.”

    Yeah, experts at getting out of their air conditioned Jeep and shooting a penned-in endangered animal from hundreds of feet away.

    1. You have to be a real fucking pig bastard to shoot an elephant.

    2. Yeah, experts at getting out of their air conditioned Jeep and shooting a penned-in endangered animal from hundreds of feet away.

      Are there any reports that state that’s what they did, or are you making an assumption?

    3. Hahahaha

      You clearly have no fucking clue how hunting in Africa works.

      1. Or hunting in general, for that matter.

        1. Plenty of hunting techniques that would be illegal in the US are legal in some African countries.

      2. Please enlighten me.

        That’s what safari hunters quite often do.

      3. Ever heard of canned hunting? Quite popular in Africa, especially in cash-desperate nations such as Zimbabwe (or do we automatically side with Mugabe-donors when PETA is on the other side?).

        Mugabe got a pretty hefty donation from this trip. The Daily Mail reports the trophy fees for the waterbuck and kudu were $4790 and who knows how much the elephant, croc, and leopard netted the wonderful state of Zimbabwe.

        1. It took you a while to come up with an excuse besides “teh poor elephants!” didn’t you?

  24. I think someone should design an AI bot to crawl the Reason threads and figure out what is NOT intelligence through a process of elimination.

    1. In other words:

      Fibertards want strict Political Conformity with Market Fundamentalist Orthodoxy.

      1. And sad, retarded primitivists want to come and preach irrational shit. No one here loses but you. You are only here because Reason’s staff are lazy and won’t police their boards like everyone else.

        1. …and you’re all for it, Fibertard.

          1. Guilt purveyin’ fevered loon.

            1. Those who initiate force will often feel guilty.

              “Civilization [agricultural-city-statism] originates in conquest abroad and repression at home.” ~Stanley Diamond, In Search of the Primitive: A Critique of Civilization, page 1, first sentence

  25. CHOO-CHOOS

    Promising “improvements” to the state’s controversial bullet train plan, the new head of the project told a Senate hearing in Silicon Valley on Tuesday he now believes building high-speed rail would cost less than the alarming estimate of nearly $100 billion.

    “I believe the number’s coming down,” Dan Richard told a packed auditorium Tuesday night. “Obviously the $98 billion was sticker shock for a lot of people.”

    1. The original budget was nothing other than a dart-throw, so I’m guessing they’ll simply invent a lower number.
      There does seem to be some sort of oversight in that the earlier guess was called as bullshit by LAO.

      1. The original budget was nothing other than a dart-throw

        How much is the center spot worth?

        *off to practice my darts*

  26. Why do reasonoids hate PRIVATE PROPERTY so much?

    1. They hate private property so much because a union is involved.

      If farmers became unionized, reason would KOCHswallow eliminating Land itself as private property.

      They’ll argue whatever it takes, whichever side is convenient for the day. Zero principles, save one: anti-union.

      1. Someone has very poor reading comprehension. There is one principle, freedom. And Unions, since they nearly always restrict freedom, are never popular with libertarians.

        1. …why are you for Big Goverment regulation of the land that grants Land enTITLEments to create artificial borders that restrict the free movement of people?

          I’ll tell you why: freedom is a masquerade word for your support of agricultural city-STATISM (civilization,) statist boi.

      2. They hate private property so much because a union is involved.

        Are you retarded?

        1. Yes. Isn’t that obvious?

          1. Isn’t it obvious?

        2. Son of a bitch. I should have known that was it. It’s pretty amazing that it talks to itself.

      3. Unions are fine as long as they don’t use force or have the government use force for them. You can bargain but can’t force a deal.

  27. Richard did not shed light on the fact that California does not have about 85 percent of the funding needed to build the train.

    “I don’t think we’ll be able to look (the Legislature) or the public in the eye and tell them that we have any greater clarity about the funding today,” Richard said. He did, however, defend estimates that enough passengers will ride the train to turn a profit.

    We need to get our misinformation back on track, and stop listening to all those spoilsports.

    1. Some 43Bn is supposed to be ‘private investment’, but:
      “Investors may not be willing to back the state’s bullet train project until after it begins operating, the California High-Speed Rail Authority said in a letter to key legislators”
      http://articles.latimes.com/20…..s-20111018
      For that matter, they may also not be willing to back it at all.

  28. McCain tells the GOP to give up on contraception limitations/bans.

    “I think we have to fix that,” McCain said. “I think that there is a perception out there, because of the way that this whole contraception issue played out. We need to get off of that issue, in my view. I think we ought to respect the right of women to make choices in their lives, and make that clear, and get back on to what the American people really care about: jobs and the economy.”

    1. SO that means we should force people to pay for it? You are either making up the quote, taking it out of context, or McCain is as dumb as you are.

      1. You are either making up the quote, taking it out of context, or McCain is as dumb as you are.

        Yes.

  29. If A=Yes, then Ban B

    Paradoxically, Village Voice began as an alternative newspaper to speak truth to power. It publishes some superb journalism. So it’s sad to see it accept business from pimps in the greediest and most depraved kind of exploitation.

    True, many prostitution ads on Backpage are placed by adult women acting on their own without coercion; they’re not my concern. Other ads are placed by pimps: the Brooklyn district attorney’s office says that the great majority of the sex trafficking cases it prosecutes involve girls marketed on Backpage.

  30. The GOP has been on this since ‘Griswold’ was decided in 1964. They have never gotten over that case.

    1. No one but the voices inside your head has argued for banning contraception.

      1. McCain: GOP needs to move away from birth control debate
        http://thehill.com/blogs/healt…..rol-debate

        1. So what? No one is arguing to ban contraception but the gamboling voices in your head.

          1. A regular birth control pill acts as an abortifacient and many of Team Red want it banned or refuse to dispense them.

            1. That is why you have so many links showing that. We only talk about real people here. The people in your head don’t count.

              1. Birth Control Pill: Abortifacient and Contraceptive
                By William F. Colliton, Jr., M.D., FACOG

                The author is Clinical Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at George Washington University Medical Center.
                http://www.epm.org/resources/2…..raceptive/

                There ya go, city-Statist loser boi.

                1. Not a politician. Just a single doctor. Try again retard.

                  1. jeeesh, you complain I don’t have a link.

                    Then you complain the link is from a doctor.

                    Are all Fibertards as fucking retarded as you? You’re one pissant example of mentation.

      2. Bullshit. Plan B is an example. Most SoCons want it banned. Another is RU-486. Many want ESCR banned.

        1. That is abortion not contraception dipshit. No one wants the pill or condoms banned.

          You don’t change anyone’s opinion on here Shreek. And no one is going to let you get away with lying.

          1. A regular birth control pill acts as an abortifacient and many SoCons want it banned or refuse to dispense them.

            1. Only the ones in your head Skreek.

              1. Birth Control Pill: Abortifacient and Contraceptive
                By William F. Colliton, Jr., M.D., FACOG

                The author is Clinical Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at George Washington University Medical Center.

                http://www.epm.org/resources/2…..raceptive/

                1. So what? show me any politician who in the last 15 years has advocated banning the pill. No one wants to ban the pill. So shut the fuck up.

                  1. Surprise! Personhood Mississippi Does Want to Ban the Pill!
                    by Robin Marty | November 2, 2011
                    http://www.care2.com/causes/surprise-…..-pill.html

                    1. One bunch of nuts in Mississippi. Wooo Hoo.

                    2. I bet you’re the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around.

                    3. Ridin’ the whip is the only way!

                    4. “He’d like more than anything else to boss me around, and then WHIP me every time I displeased him. He values this opportunity…would never shell out the cold cash if, after he paid, I could haul him into court on assault and battery charges when he WHIPPED me.”

                      Voluntary Slave Contracts
                      by Walter Block, Austrian Economist
                      lewrockwell.com/block/block134.html

                      White Indian counts coup on you and pulls away the masquerade of non-aggression from your capitalist city-Statism.

  31. …about plain and forest and NYC street canyons?

    Down with the Privation Property of Medallions and artificial borders on the land, both meant to restrict free movement of free people!

    1. We have to. You might plant a crop or settle. And we can’t have that. If you don’t force people to gambol, no one can gambol.

      1. …who likes domestication? (Which is basically bondage play with other animals, Genesis 1:26-28 domination-submission husband-husbandry style.)

        “With domestication, division of labor now produces full-time specialists in coercion: for example,definitive evidence shows a soldier class established in the Near East by 4500 B.C.

        “Domestication erects the rigid boundaries of surplus and private property, with concomitant possessiveness, enmity, and struggle for ownership. Even conscious mechanisms aimed at mitigating the new realities cannot remove their ever-present, dynamic force.”

        The Origins of War
        John Zerzan
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/20298938/Ze…..ins-of-War

        1. What are we plants, succotash?

          I guess not!

        2. And the only way to get rid of the boundries of domestication is by force. Once someone stops gamboling and starts farming or so much as domesticates a single chicken, the whole process starts all over again.

          So you either have to create a system whereby the penalty for that is death. Or you have to magically transform and evangelize all of mankind to resist the temptation of civilization.

          Since you constantly claim you don’t mean to kill anyone, I will assume you think of yourself as the latter. And that makes you nothing but a primitivist version of the evangelicals you so claim to hate.

          1. And the only way to get rid of the boundries of domestication is by force.

            Wrong. But even if so, self-defense against your initiation-of-aggression is ok, isn’t it?

            1. You have to force people to give up civilization. They are not going to do that willingly. You either have to someone convince them to do it or you have to force them. And even if you force them, you have to have a system that continues with that threat of force until they are transformed into something they are not.

              That is why you advocate mass murder, even though you are not smart enough to know you are doing it. Taken to their logical conclusion, your system ends up with people being murdered for wanting civilization.

              And of course, only a nation state can engage in that kind of killing. Which leaves you once again, back at the nation state. Forget it, your entire system of beliefs is insane.

              1. You have to force rapists to not rape when they enter your house too.

                Are you against self-defense of those who initiate aggression?

                1. You are finally admitting what you are. You are a killer who advocates force. Glad to see the mask finally slip. Now kindly spare us in the future any claims that primitivism is in any way a peaceful philosophy.

                  1. I only advocate force against initiation-of-aggression.

                    There ya go, killa!

                    1. Yeah, planting a row of crops or domesticating a chicken is real aggression. Just like the communists only advocated killing “enemies of the people”.

                      You are a killer. And you would, if ever given the opportunity kill by millions. We can all be thankful you are too stupid and incompetent ever to get such a chance.

                    2. And now you’re trying to whitewash your aggression.

                      White Indian keeps pouring water on that whitewash, and revealing the agricultural city-STATIST ugliness of your being.

                      You and Stalin are butt-buddies who think slaughtering Non-State tribal people is just fine.

                    3. Yes, tell us about how other people do it too and you have no other choice but to murder.

                      This has actually been a very instructive thread. We finally have you on record admitting who you are and what you plan to do. From now on we can just post

                      she blinded me with science!|3.18.12 @ 5:37PM|#

                      You have to force rapists to not rape when they enter your house too.

                      Are you against self-defense of those who initiate aggression?

                      Anytime you post on here so that anyone dropping by will have no doing what a nut and homicidal maniac you are. So post away dipshit. But you are never going to be known here as anything other than the person who would like to kill most of the human race.

                    4. And you’re against self-defense.

                      Funny watching Fibertards drop their so-called principles like hot potatoes.

                    5. Worshipping the TRIBE as infallible GOD and the Tribal Chiefs as infallible POPEs. Tribal POPE needs to usurp VIDA from indiVIDuals.

                      IndiVIDual is Life. Tribe wants control of indiVIDual’s life-energy.

                      Fucking Papist!!

                    6. Historically, people in non-state societies are relatively autonomous and sovereign. They generate their own subsistence with little or no assistance from outside sources. They bow to no external political leaders.

                      Elman R. Service (1975), Origins of the State and Civilization: The Process of Cultural Evolution. New York: Norton.
                      * NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES
                      http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper…..ieties.pdf

                      Your RANDROID CARICATURES of tribal life are as anti-intellectual as taking the Genesis creation story as literal.

                    7. Smelly, intolerant and intolerable.

                    8. CIVILIZATION IS GOD.

                    9. What happened?

                      From your links, “primitives” are healthier, longer lived, happier, more productive(2 hours “work” a day), less diseased, etc. ad nauseum.

                      Yet, you lose!

                      Each and every time you encounter “civilization”, you lose.

                      You LOSE!

                      How? Why?

                      Please explain how such a superior lifestyle is only practiced among backwards people in marginal territories. And, why they have never managed to defend themselves from the “inferior” “agri-statists”.

                    10. Victims of aggression are just losers to be mocked.

                    11. Now it really comes out!

                      ? The mockery of victims of initiation of force.
                      ? The taunting, humiliation, and dehumanization of such victims as “losers.”

                      You’re just a TAKER, aren’t you, you pissant little shit?

                      Got some questions for you, murderer:

                      ? Is any white person‘s right an individual or collective right?
                      ? Is the right to take a negative or positive right?

                      “[The Native Americans] didn’t have any rights to the land … Any white person who brought the element of civilization had THE RIGHT TO TAKE over this continent.” ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974

  32. We need to get off of that issue,

    because it distracts the rubes from the drums of WAR.

  33. Botony is the original sin|3.18.12 @ 5:36PM|#
    “You have to force people to give up civilization.”

    The inconsistencies and stupidity of vermin shit’s ‘points’ have been made clear many times.
    Either vermin shit is:
    A) too stupid to understand
    or
    B) a troll who simply loves to crap up threads.
    Either way, your wasting your time if you think logic will have any effect at all.

    1. He finally admits above what he is. Note all of the rationalizations about aggression. With these kinds of people, it always comes back to killing everyone who won’t buy the gospel.

      1. And now you’re trying to whitewash your aggression.

        White Indian keeps pouring water on that whitewash, and revealing the agricultural city-STATIST ugliness of your being.

        You and Stalin are butt-buddies who think slaughtering Non-State tribal people is just fine.

        1. she blinded me with science!|3.18.12 @ 5:37PM|#

          You have to force rapists to not rape when they enter your house too.

          Are you against self-defense of those who initiate aggression?

          The city state forced you to want to murder millions. Got it.

          1. Defending against initiation-of-aggression isn’t murder.

            It’s funny watching Fibetards drop their so-called “principles” like a hot potatoe, but then you’re that imbicilic.

      2. Botony is the original sin|3.18.12 @ 5:44PM|#
        “He finally admits above what he is.”

        Doesn’t matter. You’re presuming that some admission or other will affect its activity or claims. Won’t happen; you may as well argue with a slug.

        1. And you’re against self-defense.

          Funny watching Fibertards drop their so-called principles like hot potatoes.

          1. again, what is wrong with fiber? You obviously don’t get enough.

            1. Sometimes I wonder why I reply to 2nd grade taunts with 2nd grade taunts, but it seems so Fibertarian.

  34. takes sevo one day to forget about his promise.

    1. The KOCH Kremlin is calling you on the white courtesy phone.

      1. George must love that you take no pay. Leaves him more $$ to finance his war-profiteering undertakings.

        Primiturd = poor fertilizer, yet stinks when uncovered.

        1. Are lies your only refuge? I guess so!

          White Indian has counted coup on you and stripped your masquerade of liberty from your aggressive city-STATIST fuckface.

    2. weekend, alcohol, etc.

    3. “takes sevo one day to forget about his promise.”

      Didn’t promise not to respond to Botony; you need to learn to read.

      1. It’s the same asshat

        1. “It’s the same asshat”

          Sorry, from the posts Botony /= vermin shit.

          1. Takes another brave shot at Enemies of the city-State!

            Comrade KOCH will be by with a medal he brought back from the USSR.

            A People’s History of Koch Industries: How Stalin Funded the Tea Party Movement
            http://exiledonline.com/a-peop…..-movement/

            This post has been brought to you by asshats against Stalin. That sure ain’t the KOCHsuckers!

          2. You’re still encouraging it.

            1. Send him to the Gulag, fred.

            2. “You’re still encouraging it.”

              *IF* that were true, you’d be doing the same.
              Pointing out the futility of arguing with a garden slug may or may not encourage a garden slug; I can’t be bothered with those sorts of questions.

              1. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

      2. Takes another brave shot at Enemies of the city-State!

        Comrade KOCH will be by with a medal he brought back from the USSR.

        A People’s History of Koch Industries: How Stalin Funded the Tea Party Movement
        http://exiledonline.com/a-peop…..-movement/

        1. The story of the $OROS financed present OBAMA/CLINTON Fascist Welfare/Warfare state is being written now. With Obama having a couple of hundred billion to spend on his victorious campaign, and the Primiturd Nation not able to fund much of that. Where’s the Money? Casino Chiefs NO they will wise up and change their mind, where is that $$$ coming from? China (not any more, they figured out that they are the future military target of the USA if only by proxy wars). Saudis YES, Soros YES, ProWar Silicone Valley Billionaires YES, ProWar Hollywood Stars YES, GeneralMotors YES, GoldmanSachs YES, BofA YES, #OWS NO they can’t afford it and a lot of them are depending on Obomba for handouts. Big corporate donors will fund much of primiturd candidate’s campaign. Rethuglicans can’t match.

          Stalin died in 1953, dumb ass.

          1. unpaid of course, but we’ll leave the dollar sign in anyway, because that’s how FIBertards do it

          2. …Herc? Is that you?

  35. This is not mere rent seeking. Rather, it’s an extension of public utility regulation to a type of business that has different characteristics.

    The theory with public utilities is that we protect your monopoly, and in return you make a huge investment that really wouldn’t make sense broken down into little pieces, and serve everyone equally at regulated rates.

    Taxis and jitneys are different. It’s not as if someone in the business has to build the road! Rather, there’s room for a number of much smaller investors to enter or exit the field, providing a little more, or a little less, service as they do. There’s also the differentiation factor as brought out in the article that makes personal transportation different from, say, electricity.

  36. competitors said the market was saturated.

    And they would know, wouldn’t they?

    Incidentally, I’ve got an idea for a constitutional amendment to vastly improve the business climate in this country. Check it out:

    Neither Congress, nor any State or Locality, shall make any law or regulation to limit the entry of any Person or organization into any lawful business endeavor, nor impose onerous licensing fees, nor impose any regulation of prices, nor act in any way to grant a monopoly or privilege to any business to favor them over their competitors.

    -jcr

  37. Press prohibited while NYPD brutally attack OWS Protestors

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2…..rests.html

    1. Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment…unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares? ~Murray Rothbard

      Especially if they’re nigra.

      In short; RACIALIST SCIENCE is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors. ~Murray Rothbard

  38. Until and unless the customers for taxi services pay the politicians more than the cab cartels do, this bullshit will continue.

    -jcr

  39. Crowe’s application was denied on the grounds that her business was “not in the public interest.”

    Blood = Boiling

    1. Are you against city-Statism now? Or still going both ways on it?

      1. Moar undistributed middle, pl0x.

        What do you breathe?

        MARX: AIR!
        MISES: AIR!

        1. “Weaseling out of things is important to learn. Its what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.” ~Homer Simpson

          1. At least it has improved its source validity from Godesky.

            1. Don’t like science and good references that destroy their mystical world view.

              1. When you find any, let us know.

  40. Have you ever seen that attention-whore reality show Big Rich Texas? I watched a few minutes of it this morning. Those people aren’t even interesting enough to hate. They’re just pathetic.

    I wonder what made me think of that.

    1. Subtlety: this is how is works.

      1. (i KNEW i should’ve gone with a more direct phrasing of the magnets meme. fucking “is”)

  41. Another reason why we are infinitely better than our fucking retarded limey cousins.

    I mean., I sure hope the guy pulls through and isn’t retarded after he collapsed, but to arrest someone for saying something racially insensitive about it on twitter? What a bunch of cunts.

    1. A better thread on the subject, because it doesn’t have comments blocked like the cowardly BBC.

      1. It’s the nanny state. What else would you expect?

        1. …from those savages and scary stuff outside the walls of the nanny state.

          The Fear-of-Wilderness FUD-ster told me so.

          1. We don’t fear the wilderness, fuckface. We’ve already conquered it by way of technology.

            1. Going to gloat over victims of initiation-of-violence and call them losers next, city-Statist genocide boi?

              1. Hey, buttplug, I guess you haven’s seen the chart that completely blasts your idiotic theories in the balls, have you?

                1. Interesting!
                  Especially the last three. I’m presuming the Soviets are not included in Europe 20th C numbers, and the spike in the world numbers reflect the communist ‘concern for the common man’.

                2. And it’s city-Statist apologetics. He’s only right if you consider murder rates singularly, and exclude all other forms of violence recognized by libertarian theory.

                  But even his murder rate data is wrong. He picked tribes already deep into domestication.

                  It’s widely recognized in anthropology that domestication was the start of human violence.

                  oops

                  Even Psychology Today put the lie to his data, also used by this fellow:

                  Steven Pinker’s Stinker on the Origins of War
                  Did Steven Pinker knowingly mislead his audience at TED?
                  http://www.psychologytoday.com…..rigins-war

                  1. “…a theodicy ? a tract intended to validate the redemptive power of the Leviathan State.”

                    Steven Pinker’s Statist Gospel
                    http://freedominourtime.blogsp…..ospel.html

                    Go for it Libertard, if you want. You’re proving yourself just another city-Statist PROGRESSIVE. Hell you may as well vote Obama.

                    1. And Godesky pretty much destroys Keeley’s “LEVIATHAN AS REDEMTIVE” city-Statist tract here:

                      Noble or Savage? Both. (Part 1)
                      by Jason Godesky | 11 January 2008
                      http://rewild.info/anthropik/2…..index.html

                      “The Savages are Truly Noble”
                      by Jason Godesky | 10 May 2007
                      http://rewild.info/anthropik/2…..index.html

                      P.S. my hat off to you for actually considering scientific data (even if it is flawed) instead of caricatures of paleolithic life from the Libertarian Canon of Scriptures.

                    2. “Hell you may as well vote Obama.”

                      Are you serious with this one, White Indian?

                      https://www.votizen.com/jason-godesky/

                      Fuck off you partisan hack.

                  2. Sweet fucking Christ. You discount a piece of data with one single piece of your own that isn’t even footnoted. Oh, I know why…because it’s an opinion piece.

                    By the way, Pinker’s chart doesn’t even approach the thoroughness of the one above, so suck on the facts, asshole.

                    1. “By the way, Pinker’s chart doesn’t even approach the thoroughness of the one above, so suck on the facts, asshole.”

                      Sloopy,
                      You gotta know as well as anyone here that providing facts and logic to vermin shit just gets self-referential word-salads in return.

                    2. What things should be included in a definition of “Violence?”

                      A. murder
                      B. all state threats of violence
                      C. nuclear weapons that threaten megadeaths in 25 minutes
                      D. All of the above.

                      If you pick only A, then you might be a Libertarian trying to out-maneuver White Indian in an argument, using the “Leviathan is Redemptive” arguments from Keeley’s (and Pinker’s) flawed data.

                      Go for it, if you think Nancy Pelosi calms down your inner savage’s sinful nature of aggression.

                    3. ” arguments from Keeley’s (and Pinker’s) flawed data.”

                      Yeah, everybody, ignore people like Steven Pinker while WI posts a garbage link to JoeSchmoPrimitivistActivist.com.

                    4. I know,and I’m a sucker for acknowledging its existence.

                      Too bad the editors at reason don’t notice it and eradicate it from their comment threads. We might actually be able to discuss shit once more.

                    5. sloopyinca|3.18.12 @ 7:49PM|#
                      “Too bad the editors at reason don’t notice it and eradicate it from their comment threads. We might actually be able to discuss shit once more.”

                      For quite a while I was opposed to the ban hammer on vermin shit, but it’s become obvious that its sole purpose is trolling in the absolute sense: There is no intent to offer a reasoned argument, just an intent to crap on any thread available. Per above, vermin shit is right since vermin shit cites vermin shit’s writing claiming vermin shit is right!
                      Even Tim C. griped about it in the Atlas Shrugged thread. Who knows? Maybe they’ll get tired of providing the only site treat vermin shit’s sewage.

                    6. offer a reasoned argument, nobody’s stopping you, shithead

                    7. I crush you every time I take 5 minutes of my life to waste arguing an irrelevant subject that I don’t care at all about yet you’ve spent your whole life obsessing over (paleolithic lifestyles).

                      All you ever respond with is something stupid like “Keep lying, fibertard” and act like you won the argument.

                3. Primitive humans behave much like our ape cousins.

                  1. …cooperative and egalitarian, as evidenced by sexual dimorphism on the level of penguins.

                    see:
                    Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior
                    Christopher Boehm
                    Harvard University Press

      2. From the link:
        …”breaching the Public Order Act,”…
        So Orwell wasn’t just a writer, he was a seer.

        1. 1984 was an instruction manual.

    2. Once upon a time, revolutionary wars were fought for less. These people collapsed into depravity a long time ago. Give us 50 years, and we’ll follow, unless something changes.

      Degenerate, disgusting sacks of totalitarian shit. Any bets on how much time it takes for the partial enclaves of non-total degeneracy (Czech Republic, Portugal) to follow suit wit the rest of Eurostopheles?

      1. “Former soccer player turned TV pundit Stan Collymore had urged followers Saturday night to report anyone tweeting racist comments about Muamba to police.”

        I think I just a coronary.

        1. I think I just a coronary.

          The London Chest Hospital is ready for you then. But you’re not a famous athlete, so you’ll have to go on their waiting list. They should be with you in about 6 months or so.

          1. If there’s a fire in the hospital, I hope the cops don’t stop me from exiting the burning building to prevent the ash on my clothing from contaminating the air outside.

            1. I’d be more concerned that the firemen wouldn’t even attempt to put out the blaze.

              Or do they just ignore people who are drowning?

              1. That is, if there ARE firemen on duty. They could all be lounging around, on strike, requesting 150% benefit increases.

                1. Too bad these firemen seem to be on duty in England all of the time. And doubly sad, the citizens subjects there love it.

            2. my kind of fireman

                1. http://desmond.imageshack.us/H…..res=medium

                  That, on the other hand, is pretty ace.

                    1. If she got all the right pairs in all the right places, I don’t see no reason fo’ no theme, bruh.

                      http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9852/999xx.jpg

      2. I can’t see the Czechs falling into that trap. They know what real oppression is, and how incrementalism lunacy like this destroys freedom.

        The Portuguese, I’m not too sure about.

        1. They’ve already been ascending to the EU standard for legal and regulatory frameworks in the last decade, and it’s getting worse and worse. What’s to stop the rabid statists from taking it to the max at this point?

        2. “I can’t see the Czechs falling into that trap. They know what real oppression is, and how incrementalism lunacy like this destroys freedom.”

          Yeah, so did my old countrymen in the Moscow of 1991. Look where they are now.

          1. Good points, both of them.

            I’m starting to think the only chance is seasteading of buying the Maldives when they all move to Fiji.

          2. Hey, if you’re not FPS Russia…then…oh God….you’re not Yakov Smirnoff, are you?

            1. So much win. +100.

    3. FOOTBALL (AMERICAN AND OTHERWISE) IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!!

      1. Shut the fuck up, yank wanker. You cunts deserved 9/11, I hope bin Laden does it again.

        /Limey soccer crowd, 2006.

        1. That’s different. They were making fun of people they view as superior. It’s only the people they view as inferior that need to be protected. The paternalistic fucks.

          1. view as inferior
            ——————————
            Everybody?

            1. Not us. They know we’re better than them, evidenced by the fact that we PWNED their ass twice. Also evidenced by the fact that their people can say whatever they want disparaging us and get away with it, but if one of our right-wing commentators wants to go over there and make fun of their nanny state, they get their panties in a bunch and ban them from their shitty little island.

                1. Jesus, when will this whiny little faggot leave us the fuck alone?

  42. Hilarious Team Radio from yesterday’s Australian GP:
    Kimi: “WHY ARE THEY SHOWING ME BLUE FLAGS?!”
    Engineer: “Flag is for cars behind you, Kim”

    Feels like you’ve never been away, huh Kimi?

    Haha

  43. “These girls come out of the bars inebriated in these skimpy little outfits and the last thing they want is to get in a van with some guy who they don’t know,” she said. “I want to make sure they get home safe and take them right to their doors.”

    Oh boy, here it comes. Flame war between the misogynist Baptists and the slutty femNazis! Begin!

  44. Like a cancerous growth on the side of your face, ignoring this shit will not make him go away.

    1. counter commenter|3.18.12 @ 7:42PM|#
      “Like a cancerous growth on the side of your face, ignoring this shit will not make him go away.”

      Not sure, but if it did, it would take universal, constant, “ignoring”, and given vermin shit’s laughable claims, that’s asking a lot.

  45. What things should be included in a definition of “Violence?”

    A. murder
    B. all state threats of violence
    C. nuclear weapons that threaten megadeaths in 25 minutes
    D. All of the above.

    If you pick only A, then you might be a Libertarian trying to out-maneuver White Indian in an argument, using the “Leviathan is Redemptive” arguments from Keeley’s (and Pinker’s) flawed data.

    Go for it, if you think Nancy Pelosi calms down your inner savage’s sinful nature of aggression.

    1. Dopey, you can’t include “potential” violence like “threats” or unused weapons sitting in silos.

      Why?

      Because potential violence is always and everywhere equal to infinity, as it’s not bound by any limit but the imagination of the individual who sees themselves as a target of potential violence.

      Also, there’s absolutely no basis for your claim that “domestication began human violence”. None. Especially with your half-ass definition that includes potential violence, since that would naturally leave no archaeological or fossil trace.

      1. If I point a gun to your head and suggest you sell me oil in my currency…hey, you’re ok with that.

        Wow. I mean WOW!

        The Iranians are about to commit an “offense” far greater than Saddam Hussein’s conversion to the euro of Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare – Iran’s upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.

        The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target:
        The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker
        by William Clark
        globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

        1. The current literature consistently reports that until the final stages of the Paleolithic Age? until just prior to the present 10,000-year era of domestication?there is no conclusive evidence that any tools or hunting weapons were used against humans at all.

          …when sedentism and the domestication of plants and animals brought changes to the outlook and cosmology of people everywhere.” It was in the Upper Paleolithic that certain strains and tensions caused by the development of specialization first became evident. Inequities can be measured by such evidence as differing amounts of goods at hearth sites…

          On the Origins of War
          by John Zerzan

          PLENTY OF SCHOLARLY REFERENCES!

          1. There’s no proof we weren’t used for sex either.

            1. Yeah, they lived in a state of Cold War:

              “This period of Paleolithic warlessness, grounded in low population density, an appreciation of the benefits of positive relations with neighbors, and a healthy respect for their defensive capabilities, lasted until the cultural development of segmental forms of organization engendered the origin of war.”

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm…..MC1266108/

              The point being that this period says nothing about man’s “intrinsic nature” the way White Indian would have you believe, only the relative state of technology and population density.

              1. But then Jefferson’s dangerous to your notions…

                “When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.” ~Thomas Jefferson

                And so is Calhoun.

                “Rats may suffer from crowding; human beings can cope…Calhoun’s research was seen not only as questionable, but also as dangerous.”

                Plumbing the ‘Behavioral Sink’
                Medical Historian Examines NIMH Experiments in Crowding
                http://nihrecord.od.nih.gov/ne…..story1.htm

                I’d say Jefferson, Calhoun, and Kelly are right on.

                1. Raymond Kelly discusses in Warless Societies & the Origins of War, marginal societies tend not to have the resources to go to war, and affluent societies (like most foragers) have no reason to go to war. So, like agriculture (see thesis #10), warfare develops not from strict scarcity or abundance, but the nerve-wracking, extreme fluctuations between them, with periods of scarcity priming a population’s fears, and following abundance providing them the resources to act on those fears.

                  “The Savages are Truly Noble”
                  by Jason Godesky | 10 May 2007
                  http://rewild.info/anthropik/2…..index.html

                  Anyway, good find, KPres. Again, I applaud your efforts to dig into empirical data, sort through it, and learn, instead of parroting Hobbesian mythology and caricatures from the Libertarian Canon of Approved Scriptures.

              2. “The point being that this period says nothing about man’s “intrinsic nature” the way White Indian would have you believe, only the relative state of technology and population density.”

                Vermin shit will obviously claim the opposite.

                1. Darth Sevo: Vermin shit will obviously claim the opposite.

                  Obi-Wan: You anger and your lust for power have already done that.

                  Anyway, take a look above, comradski numbnuts.

      2. Fluffy|3.18.12 @ 7:57PM|#
        …”there’s absolutely no basis for your claim that “domestication began human violence”. None. Especially with your half-ass definition that includes potential violence, since that would naturally leave no archaeological or fossil trace.”

        Non-falsifiable arguments are the best arguments!

        1. The sex decreased after domestication of the dog.

        2. …paleolithic nuclear weapons.

          I mean, nobody has proven they didn’t exist, right?

          Non-falsifiable arguments are teh best arguments!

          1. Aliens, but it was Aliens.

  46. I’ve got the POWAH! I’ve got the POWAH!

    I can ruin entire threads on the internet, and nobody can stop me!

    I’ve got the POWAH! I’ve got the POWAH!

    Look at me, ma. I’m on top of the world!

    1. Go on, try to be as good as White Indian with words.

  47. OT: The Danish “Draw Mohammad” cartoonist is a fucking bad ass.

      1. Safe For Even Preschool

  48. Xavier should really change their nickname to the X-Men.

    1. I’d prefer “Mousketeers.” They could get disney to give their program a ton of money if they promised to put little ears on their hoodies, baseball caps and football helmets (when they start a football program with all of Walt’s blood money).

      1. Just to clarify, we’re talking about real football here. None of that association football shit.

        1. Americans call it “Football”, the rest of us call it “Hand-Egg”

          1. I meant the American kind. Only subhuman mongoloids from north London wear helmets in soccer.

          2. You’re Canadian, right? If so, cool. Just please don’t be British.

            1. You don’t have to be British
              http://www.floatingsheep.org/2…..occer.html

              1. Was amused. Will visit again.

  49. Air Canada accuses pilots of calling in sick to disrupt operations

    “Air Canada experienced numerous delays and cancellations over the weekend. While weather, a disruption caused by a fire at our major hub in Toronto and other factors affected our operation, some impact was the result of a higher-than usual pilot book-offs,” the airline said in a statement Sunday.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com…..le2373071/

    1. “While Air Canada supports the right of its employees to book off when they are unwell or otherwise unfit to work, we cannot condone such activities as part of industrial action to disrupt our operations and we have asked the [Canada Industrial Relations Board] to intervene.”

      Hard to find the good guys there. Air Canada should say ‘you’re fired’.

      1. Read the comments. The bad guy is the Canadian Government.

  50. Yahoo’s #1 Bracket so far
    http://tournament.fantasysport…..t1/3008844

    1. That guy’s fucked. You gotta base them on their potential score after the 1st and 2nd Rounds.

      This guy’s one game back and is in a hell of a lot better position.

      Oh, and: O-H…

  51. Fluffy said:

    You can’t include “potential” violence like “threats” or unused weapons sitting in [holsters.]

    Why?

    Because potential violence is always and everywhere equal to infinity, as it’s not bound by any limit but the imagination of the individual who sees themselves as a target of potential violence.

    Who knew IRS threats of violence were Libertarian?

    And now you know, Taxes truly are voluntary. Even if they have a gun pointed at your head. Because it’s just “potential violence.”

    There has been no violence. And you paid.

    Yep, Fibertard told me so.

    1. …to best White Indian.

      It’s the new NON-PRINCIPLE Principle.

  52. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    I’m Injun Cracker, baddest assedest motherfucker on the internet.

    Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    I’ll take you all own, and take you all down with my super scientistic argumentation.

    Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    My writings is the best, and you are all lazy. Don’t even use science.

    Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    I’ll kill you all one day. Use your skins to rape my teepee.

    Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    1. Who said that? Who the fuck said that? Who’s the slimy little communist shit twinkle-toed cocksucker down here, who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh?! The fairy fucking godmother said it! Out-fucking-standing! I will P.T. you all until you fucking die! I’ll P.T. you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk.

    2. Gamboling the wild is my game.

      1. You lying fuck.

        1. Well, if it isn’t Scriptkiddy Godesky!

      2. about plain and forest and NYC street canyons?

        Fuck all this big-Government Privation Property Land and Medallion enTITLEment shit that only serves to restrict the free movement of people.

        Yeah, destroying medallions first. Incrementalism, destroying abstract gov’t enforced privation property one step at a time works.

        Warty Indian is the coolest white libertarian niggah you evah knew, see? Super Smoove!

        1. Would like to quote a word or two from you. Are you game to gambol?

          1. Gambol on!

          2. I’m Jason G. Don’t need know stinkin’ state-issued ID! Unless, you know, I have to sign for an employer issued check, or a refund, or something like that.

        2. What is your opinion of the feasibility and practicality of hovercrafts for transportation purposes once roads and urban areas are depopulated?

          1. Objection 5. Primitivists are genocidal maniacs whose planned “utopia” requires them to orchestrate the mass murder of 99% of the human population!

            I’ve saved the best for last. This is the single most common, and the single most powerful attack launched against primitivists by the progressivist camp…

            5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
            Jason Godesky
            http://theanarchistlibrary.org…..Wrong.html

            1. tl;dr
              this is the twitter generation. give it to me in 140 characters

              1. You shit in your bed, you pay. Ain’t my fault. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

            2. When urban areas and the concentrated transportation services that they bring about are no longer of use to the multitudes who have learned to appreciate the primitivists life style then what is your opinion of the feasibility and practicality of hovercrafts for transportation purposes?

              1. Don’t forget your fucking bow tie, which will replace the horizontal fashion statement of the stick through the nose piercing.

                It’s a Jetsons World
                Ludwig von Mises Institute
                Jun 22, 2011
                Primitive Miracles and city-Statist Crimes …
                http:mises.org/document/6528

  53. I don’t think I’ve seen any mention of this anywhere on H&R:

    What Everyone Should Know About Trayvon Martin (1995-2012)

    1. This isn’t getting a lot of coverage for reasons that escape me.
      From the link:
      “4. Zimmerman was carrying a a 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea”
      I was gonna snark, but some poor kid is dead here; pathetic.

  54. Is LOU FERIGNO vs. TIA CARRERRE. Dumb vs. Dumber.

  55. Jesus Christ, can we get a fucking metamoderation system or the like already?

    1. …isn’t the answer.

      Besides, WI just threw in with reason on destroying the big government privation property enTITLEments represented in medallions, which only serves to restrict the free movement of people.

      Greet him as your brother.

      Smok-um peace pipe with White Indian.

      We join-um minds, work-um big against all city-Statist privation property enTITLEments which only serves to restrict the free movement of people.

      1. Jesus is against medallions with WI!

        Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions [of medallions and privation property enTITLEments which only serves to restrict the free movement of people].

        ~Jesus
        verses 21-22, chapter 11, The Jefferson Bible

        1. Coalition of the willing.

    2. Reason.com seems to be willing to be the only plant on the web to process vermin shit’s sewage.
      Incentives tell me someone is gaining by this, but who and why are mysteries to me.

      1. Getting warmer

      2. mofo city-Statist

      3. It’s getting worse and worse. Can somebody hack the guy so we can find his home number, call his house, and ask his mom to confiscate his computer permanently?

        1. Reason knows the IP.
          They are not doing anything.
          Ask why.

          1. ? I’m on topic.

            ? And I approve of Reason’s stand to on destroy the big government privation property enTITLEments represented in medallions, which only serves to restrict the free movement of people.

            ? It’s what Jesus would do to.

            Now there’s a powerful coalition of the willing.

          2. And just trying to help the unions?

            Get a clue, throw in with:

            ? Reason
            ? Jesus
            ? White Indian

            against medallions.

            1. Did someone say medallion? Foxhead medallion?

              1. just like

                GAMBOL LOCKDOWN CARTEL = Privation Property Land enTITLEments

                Come on, Mat, throw in with

                ? Reason
                ? Jesus
                ? White Indian

                against big goverment privation property and come in for the big win.

              2. It’s probably ice cold 24/7.

  56. Toronto and other factors affected our operation, some impact was the result of a higher-than usual pilot book-offs,” the airline said in a statement Sunday.
    Taxi Service

  57. How the sweet fuck does whoever the shit is behind the WI troll have THIS much fucking time to burn screwing on a website?

    I’m starting to think it’s somebody from a mental institution.

    1. Getting Warmer

      1. Actually, we enjoy seeing you get humiliated when White Indian counts coup on your head.

        Jeeesh, he’s taggin’ and whoopin’ and hoolerin’ and they’re running around with their pajamas around their ankles, for the most part.

        Well we did have one smart one that could look up a journal article, and then WI praised him for that, proving he’s a cooperative fellow.

    2. Come on, Sevo, throw in with:

      ? Reason
      ? Jesus
      ? White Indian

      against medallions.

    3. Uh oh, now you’ve done it, expect a flood of copy-pasted attempts at Soviet psychiatry “gotchas”.

      1. …at the Psikhushka?

        1. V otchko tebya beshaniy kaban yebal, otrodye nedotrakhanoye ti.

            1. V opredilyonoye mgnovenye tvoyey smerty, chlenosos moy pereyobaniy, mir stanit namnogo lutche.

              1. Is that Latin?

              2. …others use language to play games.

                It’s very unAmerican to not speak directly.

                But then you knew that.

  58. Cool story, bro.

    1. Come on, Almanian, throw in for the big win with:

      ? Reason
      ? Jesus
      ? White Indian

      against the Taxi Cartel medallions, and the big government privation property enTITLEment that serves only to Gambol Lockdown the free movement of people.

  59. Kiley Beck, an ISU nursing major, said she doesn’t mind the raucous behavior on the party buses

    She must be suffering from false consciousness; a reeducation camp visit sponsored by NOW is in order for her.

  60. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    I got the POWAH!

    Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    I read, I write, I quote.

    Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    City-Statist fibertarians just assume what they know.

    They have no POWAH!

    Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

    I read, I write, I quote.
    I got the POWAH
    I dominates.

    1. Come on, Cracker, throw in for the big win with:

      ? Reason
      ? Jesus
      ? White Indian

      against the Taxi Cartel medallions, and the city-Statist privation property enTITLEment that serves only to Gambol Lockdown the free movement of people.

      1. And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

        ~verse 16, chapter 1, The Jefferson Bible

        1. why do you choose the Jefferson Bible?

          1. but free-wheeling free speech is over at reason.

            I’m gone. You’ve learned enough.

            ~White Indian

            1. 😉

            2. that made no sense

            3. wait, if you’re gone, does this mean I win?

            4. sorry dude|3.18.12 @ 10:50PM|#

              but free-wheeling free speech is over at reason.

              I’m gone. You’ve learned enough.

              ~White Indian

              Hundred bucks says WI was a regular or long-time lurker trolling hard in order to provoke registration and hard moderation.

              Gambol straight to hell, douchebag.

              1. So how did all those posts disappear? Anyone posting here can’t edit them out; only the reason.com squirrels can.

                1. They haven’t done any other threads

    2. White Indian debate strategy:

      -Make wildly exaggerated, but non-falsifiable claim.
      -Follow up with selective quote from wikipedia or other “soft” source.
      -Plug ears when idiocy exposed.
      -Claim to have science on your side.
      -Spam the fuck out of all comments.

      TBH, I wouldn’t mind WI if he just kept his anarcho-primivitist stuff on articles related – such as the postings about Pinker’s book, a lot of what Ron Bailey writes, stuff about nature and all that.

  61. Lou Ferigno just called Penn Jillette a condescending prick (paraphrase).

    1. Jillette gives a fuck.

      1. Men won, so this battle resumes next week.

    2. And Lou deserves it.

  62. I have slain White Indian. Bring me your hottest young virgin, and we will celebrate for 18 weeks in my teepee.

  63. I have fallen in love with coconut-almond milk.
    Go to hell, cows milk!

  64. TSA Nabs Suspected Al Queda Terrorist At O’Hare International Airport, A toddler in a wheelchair
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNO-AzPxS4U

  65. Teen girls nab potential molester; cops charge him with “disorderly conduct”
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/20…..one-wrong/

    1. If the guy had followed the idiot cop’s advice and called them, these girls’ parents could have expected CPS to show up and drag their children away.

      This is just another case of the state thinking they are the most able to raise children, good deeds or charity be damned.

      Fuck them all.

  66. Hier.
    Something that’s not shit, for yet another shit thread.

  67. sorry dude|3.18.12 @ 10:50PM|#
    “but free-wheeling free speech is over at reason.
    I’m gone. You’ve learned enough.
    ~White Indian”

    If you look up-thread, most, if not all, of vermin shit’s posts are gone (hard telling about some of them).
    There is no edit feature to allow a poster to remove comments, so those removed comments must have been removed by the reason.com squirrels. But this one remains.
    Would someone at reason.com care to comment?

    1. well, now you’re getting colder.

    2. Top. Squirrels.

  68. Have I told you rice flour is a miracle food?

  69. Goodbye, FSU

    1. Haha. If Purdue hadn’t have melted down, this would be a Big Ten-Big East Challenge (brought to you by Dr. Pepper).

      And the great state of Ohio has 1/4 of thew teams left.

      O-H…

  70. “‘Why they would want to limit people’s ability to earn in favor of other people’s ability to earn is I don’t know. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense’ she (Julie Crow)said.” It makes perfectly good sense, from the viewpoint of staying in political office. This is an example, a classic, of what’s wrong with the American economy and how it would be improved by restricting government folks to narrow limited specified powers.

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  72. They don’t want to get into a car where they don’t know the driver, even though those drivers have had an FBI security check. Baloney. I saw that picture at the top of the page and I wouldn’t want to get into your van. You look very creeepy to me. Now scram lady.

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