Did the Drug War Make it Any Easier for Whitney Houston to Seek Help For Substance Abuse?

Pop star Whitney Houston is dead at the age of 48. While the official cause of death has not yet been announced, she had a long history of drug problems and was in and out of rehab over the years and it's likely that substance abuse played some role. As USA Today reminds us

[In 2002]she did an interview with Diane Sawyer to promote her upcoming Just Whitney. She admitted using drugs in the highly watched TV interview, which included her infamous declaration, "Crack is cheap. I make too much money to ever smoke crack. Let's get that straight. OK? We don't do crack. We don't do that. Crack is wack."…

In a 2009 interview with Oprah Winfrey to promote I Look To You, Houston…confessed that she laced her marijuana with rock cocaine and revealed that she'd spent time in rehab and had undergone an intervention by her mother.

Here's a question for proponents of the drug war: Does prohibition - which demonstrably fails to keep illegal drugs out of the hands of people who want them - simply make it that much harder for people like Houston to admit and seek problems for their problems? Everyone knows that it's no easy thing for addicts or problem users of anything to admit they need help. Does criminalizing the behavior on top of everything else make it that much harder to for such people to seek the help they need?

Here's one of Houston's signature songs:

Comments

[Typical American]

Well, DUH! Drugs are wrong and immoral, so they should be illegal. What a stupid question. It's the PRINCIPLE of the thing! We shouldn't be encouraging IMMORAL behavior, libtards. That's what we have the government for - to keep people safe.

[Drug War = HyperCapitalism]

"The Real Owners" want to maintain symbolic capitalist "property" values, thus the Owners' MIDDLE MANAGMENT TEAM (GOVERNMENT) "unleashes" the War on Drugs and anything else that tends to lower property values, like homeless "bums."

"Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment...unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?" ~Murray Rothbard

George Carlin: The real owners of the country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oBo8CJxatQ

[Libertarians know it too.]

They can't refute that the lust for maintaining property values is the primary driving reason for the drug war.

[incorrect]

"They can't refute that the lust for maintaining property values is the primary driving reason for the drug war."

Wrong.

These days crack houses are well kept in an effort to hide them more effectively.

[KOCHsuckin' Libertard wrong]

Crack house
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.

[Argument by Wikipeidia AHAHAH]

http://www.thefix.com/content/.....epage=all

NOT from wikipedia, I win again.

[Look it up, Libertard]

It's there, at Wiki, with plenty of references.

You're just demonstrating, again, your total intellectual bankruptcy.

[EXACTLY]

"It's there, at Wiki"

At WIKI.

AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

And here's the WHOLE quote you mendacious fuck

"Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.[1][2][3] In response to increased community scrutiny and law enforcement activity, drug operations are moving from the inner cities to the suburbs, in an effort to blend in.

AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH EVEN YOUR OWN SOURCE SAYS YOU LIE

[Ed Zackary]

You said it wasn't there. Then you quoted it from there. So funny.

[No, I did not.]

"You said it wasn't there. "

No I didn't.

You have shitty reading comprehension.

So standard.

[Standard Libertard]

Can't google.

[standard loser]

"Standard Libertard"

goes ad hom when obviously losing.

[Goes ad hom]

LOL So funny when you can do it, but nobody else can.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

only ad hom was yours

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[only ad hom was yours]

LOL

[FarcesWannaMo]

Yeah, I'm replying to the idiot with the stupid band name in my comment name. Dave, or whatever that idiot's name was.

[Ted S.]

No, you SugarFreed the link.

[bc]

You're right. There is even a Crack House makeover show on one of the cable channels

[Mr Whipple]

Now that I would watch.

[Carlos]

this here is another dude that confuses capitalism with corporatism.

[Corporatism = Capitalism]

No confusion here.

You're like a damn communist who calls the results of communism something like "state capitalism" and remains in denial of the consequences of failed ideology.

[Jason Godesky]

I'm very fat.

[KOCHsuckin']

I get paid to do it.

[Jason Godesky]

Yeah, that's true I suck dick for money.

[KOCHsucker Libertard]

I suck rich fat cats for KOCH money. Tastes so good.

[Jason Godesky]

Yeah, I do like sucking off rich guys.

[Reason sucks off rich guys]

The Reason Foundation is a self-described "libertarian" [1] think tank. The Reason Foundation's projects include NewEnvironmentalism.org and Privatization.org, as well as Reason Magazine[2] It is part of the Atlas Economic Research Foundation network.

The Reason Foundation is funded, in part, by what are known as the "Koch Family Foundations,"[3] and David Koch serves as a Reason trustee. [4]

According to the Reason Foundation's 2009 Internal Revenue Source 990 return form, it took in $6 million in donation income against $6.7 million in expenses, with only $639,236 in subscription revenue and $113,575 in ad revenue. [5]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....Foundation

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

"SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia) is an online wiki that is a collaborative project of the liberal[1] Center for Media and Democracy (CMD)."

"The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) is a liberal[1][2] organization"

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Are the finances correct?]

Or not?

Care to address the real issue of who funds Reason?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

"SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia) is an online wiki that is a collaborative project of the liberal[1] Center for Media and Democracy (CMD)."

"The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) is a liberal[1][2] organization"

[The Pointer-Outer]

Reason gets _how much_ federal money, again?

That's what I thought, naysayer.

[Reason EARNS how much money?]

That's what I thought, naysayer. They need a sugar daddy. A big sugar daddy, with lots of federal government connections.

[wareagle]

They need a sugar daddy.
--------------------------
you mean like MoveOn and Media Matters and HuffPo prior to Arianna's cashing in and public unions and Planned Parenthood and NPR and Brookings and most universities?

[If HuffPo does it it's ok 4 me]

Nice, warmonger, nice.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

"SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia) is an online wiki that is a collaborative project of the liberal[1] Center for Media and Democracy (CMD)."

"The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) is a liberal[1][2] organization"

[Local voters = corporatism?]

LOL

Ask your mom how she votes, so the crack houses stay over in that other neighborhood. Go ahead, ask her.

[poiut]

they're more concerned about the crime and other undesirable behavior which results from crack houses due to the artificial black market. property value is only one determination.

many of the most "hip" downtown metropolitan areas which have high density of alcohol and drug use amongst yuppies, are also some of the most expensive areas to live in the US.

[kate]

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[Old Man With Candy]

Are you saying that she was bi? Wow, who knew?

[Copernicus]

I'm impressed. Topical spam.

[Jumbie]

I actually get the feeling this message is heartfelt from whoever is spamming.

Or am I projecting on a spammer?

[Scott]

Wow.

[JJJ]

The new trolling is poorly trolling.

[?]

That's not a very nice thing to say about Nick.

[WARNING]

YOU ARE ABOUT TO ENTER A QUARANTINED THREAD ZONE. READ/COMMENT AT YOUR OWN RISK.

THANK YOU
Brought to you by Reason's Infectious Thread Control

[thirtyandseven]

Why, oh why, did I not listen??

[En passant]

I really was interested to see what went on in a 1334-comment thread.

Alas, it cannot be unseen.

[RandomGermanDude]

Feature, not bug.

[MysticRhythm]

TypicalAmerican, REALLY? By that logic we should make alcohol illegal because it's FAR, FAR more devastating than drugs. Let's eliminate fatty foods, salt, sugar and cellphones while we're at it. The government's job is to defend us against foreign invasion and protect the integrity of contracts, not to keep people from making bad decisions. That's statism and THAT's "libtardism" as you so classily put it. You're the true "liberal" to think that government should be managing an individual's behavior.

[Typical American]

Fix your meter.

[Drug War=PROPERTY VALUES WAR]

CAPITALISM AT WORK

[incorrect]

"They can't refute that the lust for maintaining property values is the primary driving reason for the drug war."

Wrong.

These days crack houses are well kept in an effort to hide them more effectively.

[Idiot Libertard refuted again]

Crack house
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.

[Argument by wikipeida]

http://www.thefix.com/content/.....epage=all

NOT from wikipedia, I win again.

[EXACTLY]

"It's there, at Wiki"

At WIKI.

AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

And here's the WHOLE quote you mendacious fuck

"Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.[1][2][3] In response to increased community scrutiny and law enforcement activity, drug operations are moving from the inner cities to the suburbs, in an effort to blend in.

AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH EVEN YOUR OWN SOURCE SAYS YOU LIE

[Ed Zackary]

You said it wasn't there. Then you quoted it from there. So funny.

[No, I did not.]

"You said it wasn't there. "

No I didn't.

You have shitty reading comprehension.

So standard.

[Depends on what "not" means]

LOL

[Still upset you were wrong?]

^ Yeah, even wiki said you were wrong.

[Wiki didn't say I was wrong]

You're just psychologically projecting how upset you are with, well ... reality.

[you = wrong]

In response to increased community scrutiny and law enforcement activity, drug operations are moving from the inner cities to the suburbs, in an effort to blend in

[you=wrong]

NOT from wikipedia

But the quote was from wiki.

[except retard]

the LINK provided WAS NOT

as in "you provided a link from WIKI? AHAHAH this one refutes you and is NOT FROM WIKI I win"

In other words, fuckwit, "You have shitty reading comprehension."

So standard. And now you'll probably say something stupid about writing clearly because you shot off your idiot mouth and need an out.

However, you misread it. YOU MISREAD IT.

Shut the fuck up and slink away now.

[Slinkies away, my boys!]

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

good doggie, glad you listen better than you read

[Libertards are all pedophiles?]

Who would have known?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

my victims?

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[only ad hom was yours]

LOL

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

lol @ u

[Nique]

They're already trying to make fatty foods and soda more taxed and there's people that want them to be illegal! There's people lobbying for that right now btw. Also every single argument in favor of drug prohibition also applies to alcohol, since it too is a drug, in fact it's the most used drug in human history -- so to be for drug prohibition but against alcohol prohibition is to be a true hypocrite. They serve alcohol at DEA parties.

[F Hart]

They're already trying to make fatty foods and soda more taxed and there's people that want them to be illegal! There's people lobbying for that right now btw.

BUT THAT WILL SAVE LIVES

http://www.fakeposters.com/posters/mustache-rides/

[Brand]

Holy fuck there are a lot of comments on this post.

[spineyerik]

Blaming the "war on drugs" for her death is not rational. It is possible that her death was from "legal" drugs prescribed by hollywood doctors with no ethics. Addiction is not a political topic. Drug war or not some people refuse to get help for things they bring on themselves, or arrogantly presume they can control it. The big problem is often the people in their life that enable their behavior. Help for Whitney would only come from getting rid of the other people in her life that saw her as a stepping stone. DEA officers did not block her from treatment. The media bent over backwards to help her and her attempts at treatment are open and well documented. Your argument is completely flawed.

[db]

I think the question was "Does the drug war make it more difficult for addicts to admit their addictions and seek help?"

You haven't presented any evidence to the contrary. What you have done is assumed your model of why addicts don't seek help. You say "some people refuse to get help...or arrogantly presume they can control it." Well, the first part of that sentence is the important one. Why do they refuse to get help?

The question posed in the OP was aimed at exploring the idea that the drug war can affect people's desire to seek help. One could hypothesize that to be the case, thinking that exposing an addiction may be tantamount to admission of criminal behavior, and with the pervasiveness of our drug war today, perhaps even invite drug warriors to begin asking uncomfortable questions about one's personal associates and friends.

In the case of Ms. Houston, we know a little more about her because of her celebrity, so it was harder for her to hide her addiction.

If "the media bent over backwards to help her...", and she still succumbed to addiction (which is still pure speculation at this point) despite this help, and the drug war also failed at preventing her from acquiring the drugs, then a better question to ask is of supporters of the drug war: "What the fuck is it good for? It fails in so many ways at its core mission; where is the possible justification for continuing it?"

[dunphy]

realizing this is all speculative (i don't KNOW she was an addict, or that drugs had anything to do with her death), ime (and i have hung out with a LOT of addicts. i worked undercover a long time) many addicts do not WANT to get better, so to speak

they ENJOY doing drugs and want to keep doing drugs

why is that hard to understand

i think there's an assumption , even amongst many libertarians, that all or most addicts are unhappy with the situation

SOME are. some just want to be able to do the drugs. they'd be happy as pie to just be able to while away their time doing the drugs they enjoy doing.

a fair %age of meth addicts i know WANT to quit, but a substantial %age do not. they enjoy the high, and just wanna keep on keepin' on

the question posedin the OP is a little silly, since it was addressed to drug war proponents, which i doubt even read this blog, let alone comment, but maybe we can find one.

this is all such speculation, but fwiw, another way the drug war helps CAUSE overdoses is that it is difficult for addicts/users to get PRECISE dosing.

iow, at least if you are addicted to a pharma drug, you can know exactly the dose you are taking, so unless you are a fucking moron, you stand little chance of OD'ing, since most addicts know very well what their tolerance is.

granted, some people are just fucking morons.

had some chick call 911 the other night because she felt ill and paranoid.

eventually, she admitted to taking

60 mg of oxycodone (IR... NOT oxycontin...iow, instant release)

a bunch of whisky

some flexeril

AND

pot.

jesus fucking christ.

[robc]

at least if you are addicted to a pharma drug, you can know exactly the dose you are taking, so unless you are a fucking moron, you stand little chance of OD'ing, since most addicts know very well what their tolerance is.

Not so sure about this. A few times in my life, Ive managed to puke do to excessive alcohol. Its never been life-threatening (although, it could be argued that it was before I hurled, hence my body rejecting the booze). And while Im not an addict and Im well aware of my tolerance, it still happened.

Then again, I was much younger and maybe being a fucking moron. Then again again, the LAST (I mean that in both senses) time that happened was the night of my 40th birthday.

The point is, ODing can happen, even with a well regulated drug.

[John]

Addicts usually die after they try to clean up and then relapse. While they clean up their tolerance goes back down to normal. Then they go back to using and use the same doses they were using when they were full on addicts. Since their tolerance is gone that kills them. Once someone quits, if they ever go back, they have to use the stuff like they have never touched it before in their lives. For some reason addicts sometimes forget that and it usually costs them their lives.

[dunphy]

exactly. i have responded to a lot of OD's

note i have NEVER responded to a oxycontin OD

but TONS of heroin OD's

guess which one is not a pharma drug and thus hard to regulate dosage?

(yes, i know heroin is IV'd and oxy isn't but the point is still valid imo)

if you know the dose, you are much LESS likely to overdose.

alcohol is also a weird drug due to other issue affecting absorption, like stomach contents, that won't affect drugs that are insufflated, injcted, etc

your comment about recovering addicts, btw is spot on

they can underestimate their loss of tolerance with disastrous results.

VERY common

[John]

I would think the fact that Oxy is not IV'd would make it harder to overdose since you might throw the pills back up before they get into your system. I know from the few times I have had prescription pain pills, taking more than one or two of them make me throw the things back up.

[Mr Whipple]

I would think the fact that Oxy is not IV'd would make it harder to overdose

Oxy can, and is, injected. In fact, a big "problem" for addicts is that the generic has gelatine additives that are not water soluble and clog the syringe. There is, however, a way to deal with that, from what I understand.

[dunphy]

oxy is 60-87% orally bioavailable and is rarely injected because due to that, and it's method of action, it does not offer the instant body rush that addicts can get from injecting drugs such as heroin, morphine, or dilaudid

[Mr Whipple]

if you know the dose, you are much LESS likely to overdose.

The first thing any good heroin addict does when he hears about "killer dope" on the street, is he goes and tries to find it. There was a big problem in Philly when someone was selling Fentanyl as dope, which doesn't cure "dope sickness". Many of the addicts thought it was just really potent dope. It's funny, though. The police were very quick to locate the source and get it off the street.

[PS]

"(yes, i know heroin is IV'd and oxy isn't but the point is still valid imo)"

I know a guy who's been doing heroin for years by insufflation, never IV AFAIK. I'd classify him as a functioning addict. Is this that unusual?

[Mr Whipple]

I know a guy who's been doing heroin for years by insufflation

Snorting?

Or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzDnhqGdKMk

[BakedPenguin]

Not really. In Saying Yes, Sullum wrote about quite a few people who fell into the "functional addict" category. Also, according to the govt's own stats, only 10-20% of people who try heroin ever become addicts.

[dunphy]

not unusual. insufflation in the PAC nw must be done in a nasal SOLUTION, since we have tar, not powder

that being said, heroin is extremely orally biounavailable

so, unlike oxy, it is almost never swallowed, because that's a tremendous waste

oxy is 60-87% orally bioavailable and can be potentiated to even higher #'s via cytochrome p450 inhibitors (like grapefruit juice), and various other methods.

insufflation is quite common with heroin

heroin can be effectively taken : insufflation, rectally, subcutaneously, intramuscularly, intravenously

many users never want to make the "leap" to the needle, so avoid the needle routes

[dunphy]

oh. and btw, opioids and "functioning addict" are very common. opioids are not detrimental to health (and even have some benefits) like meth, etc. when used longterm, in any signficant way, and it is clearly very possible to use opioids over a long period of time, and function very well in society.

many longterm chronic pain patients take opioid doses that would kill you or me quite possibly and manage to function just fine.

i investigated a collision with a guy who was on 80 mg of oxycodone a day and you would never know he was anything but stone cold sober.

[Civilization is an Addiction]

Technology
Oil
Money
Power

Withdrawal is coming soon. http://dieoff.org/

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Fuck you dunphy]

"the question posedin the OP is a little silly, since it was addressed to drug war proponents"

No it wasn't.

[Copernicus]

"I think the question was "Does the drug war make it more difficult for addicts to admit their addictions and seek help?""

No, the question was "for people like Houston..." which is a terrible way to phrase the question as Houston is not a typical "people".

Obviously Houston had no qualms about admitting she used drugs and she had the means to get any treatment she needed/wanted.

[John]

"Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment," Melinda Henneberger of the Washington Post offered to Chris Matthews on MSNBC.
http://www.ocregister.com/arti.....holic.html

Words fail.

[Tulpa]

[quote not found at cite]

[John]

Yes it is. Here is the whole paragraph. Just look harder

But there's still one or two Nonconformists out there, and they have to be forced into ideological compliance. "Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment," Melinda Henneberger of the Washington Post offered to Chris Matthews on MSNBC. At the National Press Club, young Catholics argued that the overwhelming majority of their co-religionists disregard the Church's teachings on contraception, so let's bring the vox Dei into alignment with the vox populi. Get with the program, get with the Act of Uniformity.

[Tulpa]

Oops, I once again shot off my idiot mouth, boy do I really look like a fucking moron.

[Tulpa]

spoof

[Tulpa]

That quote is taken waaaaaaaaaay out of context. Henneberger was actually defending the Catholic position there. The full sentence was "Maybe the founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment, but that is what they did, and I don't think we have to choose here." (referring to choosing between religious liberty and access to contraceptives)

video here

[John]

I see that. Steyn wasn't fair to her. But even still, what a stupid way to phrase it.

[Fuck you Tulpa]

"That quote is taken waaaaaaaaaay out of context. "

You mean the quote you claimed wasn't there?

You can't even fucking READ and you expect us to give a shit about what you think?

[John]

Sorry, damned threaded comments.

[wareagle]

of course, Houston was not most people. Come on. The celebrity world is full of people who were hooked on something but cleaned up, and just as full of folks hooked on something who are now dead. Robert Downey Jr represents the former and John Belushi the latter.

These people are treated differently BECAUSE of their celebrity status. If it was Lindsay Jones the (fill in regular job) rather than Linsday Lohan the celeb, jail time would have already occurred and no media outlet would have cared.

It's a shame she died but you cannot stop a train wreck from the outside.

[silver haze]

Addiction is very political.

It has different definitions both common and supposedly scientific, and those definitions change. Some believe "all drug use is drug abuse" which leads them to believe all drug users are addicts too.

It has been my experience, that most users are not addicts. Most users will not become addicts. Becoming an addict, and staying one is hard work. Not all addicts are irrational, or helpless. Not all want to stop either.

And some people are just hopeless wrecks, drugs or not. I would bet this is the case with Whitney.

[Nique]

The media bent over backwards to help her? They bent over backwards to embarass her and tear her down into a scum of the earth drug addict to get their story and their ratings. People love it when celebs fail at anything, for whatever reason it makes people who have sad unfulfilled lives happy.
Criminalizing drugs makes it harder for people to get treatment because they have to admit to being criminals instead of just admitting they have a problem with addiction.

[Kloveniersburgwal]

Addiction is most definitely a political topic when being addicted to most substances can put you in prison for years.

[mad libertarian guy]

Even using on the very odd occasion can put you in prison for years, much less abuse.

Drugs have been co-opted in to a moral issue, and users along with them. When you're seen as morally inferior of course it makes it more difficult deal with a legitimate problem.

[Sarcomere]

If only there had been laws making drugs illegal, and if only that reduced access and if only drug "warriors" (lol) were competent and moral men!

Oh well!!

[Bill]

Can Bill O'Reilly and Obama be prosecuted for their complicity in her death?

[Darwin]

Legalize all drugs. My principle must stand!

[dunphy]

the idea that a CELEBRITY addict like whitney houston would be impeded by the drug war in seeking help (assuming she wanted it... some addicts WANT to be addicts, others want help, and we don't evne know what she died of), and getting it ... is an easy question: NO

there are a metric assload of celebrities who have sought rehab, sometimes after a precipitating negative incident, or sometimes because they just plain want to.

some are essentially forced to (robert downey) but a lot do it because they know they are going to die sooner or later.

heck, some DO die, but they get better (nikky sixx)

it's almost a badge of honor to go to rehab, for a celebrity. it didn't hurt downey's career. it helped him. a million other examples

assuming one has the money, which these celebrities have, there are great programs

the only impediment to gettign rehab for a person like houston was... not wanting to do it.

the drug war is fucking bad policy, but it wasn't preventing houston from getting help. the idea is just patently absurd.

again, i have NO idea if her addiction, assuming she had one, had anything to do with her death.

i'm not sure why you are asking this question here, addressed to "proponents of the drug war". is there ANYBODY who posts here who is a PROPONENT of the drug war?

[Drug War=PROPERTY VALUES WAR]

Capitalism's War to maintain property values.

Ask your mom why she votes how she votes. Yeah, your mom.

[incorrect]

"They can't refute that the lust for maintaining property values is the primary driving reason for the drug war."

Wrong.

These days crack houses are well kept in an effort to hide them more effectively.

[Idiot Libertard refuted again]

Crack house
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.[

[Argument by wikipeida]

http://www.thefix.com/content/.....epage=all

NOT from wikipedia, I win again.

[EXACTLY]

"It's there, at Wiki"

At WIKI.

AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

And here's the WHOLE quote you mendacious fuck

"Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.[1][2][3] In response to increased community scrutiny and law enforcement activity, drug operations are moving from the inner cities to the suburbs, in an effort to blend in.

AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH EVEN YOUR OWN SOURCE SAYS YOU LIE

[Ed Zackary]

You said it wasn't there. Then you quoted it from there. So funny.

[No, I did not.]

"You said it wasn't there. "

No I didn't.

You have shitty reading comprehension.

So standard.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[robc]

is there ANYBODY who posts here who is a PROPONENT of the drug war?

Juanita.

Okay, I think she was real at one time.

There are plenty of READERS who support the drug war. The percent of people who post is tiny.

[dunphy]

ok, fair enough. i guess you could get some readers who are here for shits and giggles, or to see how libertarians think, but are in fact pro drug war.

i mean, i read mother jones, and i disagree with almost every stance they take

yea, they are probably here.

[robc]

There seem to be a number of anti-libertarian writers/bloggers who comment on reason pieces. This site is widely read.

Like you with Mother Jones.

[robc]

"comment on" at their own blogs, not here.

[fuck you dunphy]

"there are a metric assload of celebrities who have sought rehab"

Which says nothing about the drug was influencing HER willingness to seek rehab.

You're stupid dunphy, much too stupid to discuss anything here.

[wareagle]

what the hell are you talking about? The presence of a drug war had nothing to do with Houston. She had the means to buy anything, legal or otherwise. She also had the means to fix a problem, IF she thought a problem existed. No drug influences someone to seek rehab but the cumulative effects of those drugs often do.

[darius404]

You miss the point. The MEANS to do so is not the same as the WILLINGNESS to do so. If drugs weren't illegal, and thus weren't (as) taboo, would she have seeked help sooner/more often? Could it have even made her less likely to even TELL people about her use? Perhaps, perhaps not.

[wareagle]

I don't think the legality would have made a difference. Alcohol is legal as can be, yet lots of folks have trouble with it. Same with prescription drugs.

Anyway, the celeb universe is full of people who get a pass for behavior that would land you and me in jail. How many stories of actors/singers have you seen where they cleaned up. If anything, folks riding the Whitney gravy train would have added incentive to say something since not doing so meant their meal ticket would expire.

The legal/not legal approach seems to believe the only alternatives are addiction or prohibition. Legalize it all and let adults make adult choices. I doubt rates of misuse would change much..though I could be wrong.

[Jeffersonian]

Your zeal to criticize dunphy has clouded your reason.

Houston sought treatment a number of times, and the drug war was a constant the entire time. She had precisely zero fear of being arrested or jailed for her drug use. If she shunned rehab, it was because she either enjoyed the drugs and didn't want to clean up or because she didn't think she had a problem.

[please shut the fuck up]

"She had precisely zero fear of being arrested or jailed for her drug use"

Since you have no way to know this, and since she was arrested multiple times, I'm going to point out that you're a moron.

[wareagle]

and the result of her arrest was what? Please. Houston and other celebs live on a different planet than the rest of us. What gets us tossed in jail gets them free publicity; if they do rehab and emerge sober, they do a victory tour with more publicity.

Since she was arrested more than once, it would appear that her fear of the legal system was trumped by her need to get high. If you disagree with the options jeffersonian puts forth, what is your hypothesis?

[dunphy]

and again, even for noncelebrities, mere possession usually requires a few arrests, if no priors, before any real jail time is gotten... again, USUALLY.

in my county, prosecutors won't even FILE felony for cocaine, meth, oxy, etc. for mere possession unless the defendant has a decent criminal background. that's our filing standards.

also, generally speaking (some exceptions), USING drugs isn't illegal. possessing them is. that may sound like a technicality, but generally speaking, you have to be caught with the drugs in your hands, etc. (not your body) for it to be a crime (note that california has a law agains thaving heroin in your SYSTEM, but that's a rare exception).

i've worked as a cop in WA, HI , and MA and in all 3 getting caught for personal possession of a "hard drug" (cocaine, heroin, etc.) will get you probation unless you are already on parole or something.

that being said , being a rich celebrity will USUALLY net you more lenient treatment.

imo, race has very little to do with disparate treatment. CLASS has a lot to do with it.

[Pug]

Lovely woman. Beautiful voice.

Hell of a shame.

[Hell of a shame money got her.]

Hell of a shame
Hell of a shame
Hell of a shame
Hell of a shame

As goods increase, so do those who consume them. And what benefit are they to the owner except to feast his eyes on them? ~Ecclesiastes 5:11

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You're going to have to transition vultures who make money off of the drug war into vultures who make money off of a sham rehabilitation industry in a decriminalized reality. But the fact of the matter is that treatment programs mandated by the courts make money for someone already. So bottom line I guess you'll have to outlaw money to get your drugs legalized.

[John]

^^This^^ The rehab industry is a giant cargo cult.

[Vultures who make money]

Vultures who make money
Vultures who make money
Vultures who make money
Vultures who make money

That's capitalism for ya. Thanks for the great analogy, FoE.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You set up a system, people are going to game it. You want to blame the free market, knock yourself out.

[people are going to game it]

people are going to game it
people are going to game it
people are going to game it
people are going to game it

Yeah, the gaming has economically knocked-out America.

America's "Free Trade" Disaster
http://economyincrisis.org/con.....free-trade

[no it isn't]

"That's capitalism for ya. "

No it isn't. The governments presence in the drug war removes any possibility of an informed person calling it capitalism.

Which is why you did.

[Communism, the unknown ideal]

Capitalism, the unknown ideal.

So say the True Believers.

[Still upset you were wrong?]

Nice to see you don't have any refutation for the fact that government intervention negates the claim that it's capitalism.

[no it isn't]

"That's capitalism for ya. "

No it isn't. The governments presence in the drug war removes any possibility of an informed person calling it capitalism.

Which is why you did.

[Communists deny communism's]

...consequences too. Got No True Scotsman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[Nope]

"Got No True Scotsman?"

Nope.

Nice to see you don't have any refutation for the fact that government intervention negates the claim that it's capitalism.

[Communism, the unknown ideal]

Capitalism, the unknown ideal.

So say the True Believers.

[Still upset you were wrong?]

Nice to see you don't have any refutation for the fact that government intervention negates the claim that it's capitalism.

[Vultures who make money]

Vultures who make money
Vultures who make money
Vultures who make money
Vultures who make money

That's capitalism for ya. Thanks for the great analogy, FoE.

[no it isn't]

"That's capitalism for ya. "

No it isn't. The governments presence in the drug war removes any possibility of an informed person calling it capitalism.

Which is why you did.

[Communists deny communism's]

...consequences too. Got No True Scotsman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[Argument by Wikipeidia AHAHAH]

"Got No True Scotsman?"

Nope.

Nice to see you don't have any refutation for the fact that government intervention negates the claim that it's capitalism.

[Any communism that fails]

Any communism that fails isn't communism.

Any capitalism that fails isn't capitalism.

But only in the True Believer's fevered imaginaation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

[Argument by Wikipeidia AHAHAH]

That's nice but has nothing to do with what you are wrong about.

Nice to see you don't have any refutation for the fact that government intervention negates the claim that it's capitalism.

[Capitalism requires govt force]

Ever see capitalism outside of a State society? No? QED

[Yes]

"Ever see capitalism outside of a State society? No? "

Yes.

You lose.

[By the way]

Nice to see you don't have any refutation for the fact that government intervention negates the claim that it's capitalism.

[Show me.]

[Prove YOUR point first]

[by the way]

Nice to see you don't have any refutation for the fact that government intervention negates the claim that it's capitalism.

[robc]

Even though it was stolen, fark had a great headline last night:

Whitney Houston beats Bobby Brown to death.

[robc]

The original was from the New York Post wrt Ike Turner.

[John]

I am sorry. But I have a hard time believing that a celebrity died because they didn't have access to rehab. Someone like Houston is a money maker for thousands of people. You don't think her record company, manager, or any of the other countless people who stood to make money off of her keeping her act together and making music and touring wouldn't have gladly helped her go to rehab?

Houston, like everyone else who uses drugs, used them because she liked them and she chose to. Fuck rehab and fuck her being a victim of anything but her own choices.

[robc]

Houston's problem is she made too much money. She never hit rock bottom. I think most addicts have to have consequences to their actions before they get help. Her crack comments highlight the problem.

[John]

That is probably true, although some rich addicts have managed to stop. You just have to make the choice to do it. Most people are very adept at lying to themselves. No matter how bad things get, they always think they will get another chance. It is only when there are no other chances that they finally quit, if they are ever going to.

[robc]

The consequence can be something other than running out of money.

It could be legal problems or family problems or health problems or whatever. Most people arent going to admit something is a problem until it causes a problem. Because it might not be one until then.

[John]

True. For some people it is their kids, or their career or they just get tired of living from one fix to the next. Even if you have money and fame, being an addict is a really shitty way to live.

[Global Warming]

Most people arent going to admit global warming is a problem until it causes a problem.

Any denialist, other than KOCHsuckers, still denying?

Hardiness Zones: Changes From 1990
to 2006
http://www.arborday.org/media/map_change.cfm

[Copernicus]

You're right, I'm still waiting for the "problem". When is it due?

[Global Warming = Money Problem]

Rising home insurance rates point to climate change
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo.....9812.story

[Dumfuckistan]

Sun rising in the east points to cock crowing as the cause.

[Greg F]

Rising home insurance rates point to climate change

BS. The 2011 US tornado season was an anomoly. The reality is that tornado damage has been trending down since the 1980's.

http://thegwpf.org/the-climate.....ntext.html

The LA Times pretty much follows the if it's a heat wave it's global warming, if it's a cold snap it's just weather.

[Suthenboy]

That is horseshit. I have had banana trees for twenty years. about four years ago they started dying and now I cant grow them at all. I am in central Louisiana. The banana trees only grow in the southern part of the state now. The zone warm enough for them has very visibly moved south in the last ten years.
the usda is promoting propaganda.

[Are you a creationist, Sthnprk]

[Suthenboy]

Warmist points to 'experts' and govt. agencies.

Realist points to reality.

Warmist responds with ad hominem.

[burnt]

they still do good along the TN/AL line. odd..

[Greg F]

Most people arent going to admit global warming is a problem until it causes a problem.

Most people who believe in global warming:

1. Have not looked at the science
2. Have careers where their prestige and funding rely on propgating belief in global warming.

Hardiness Zones: Changes From 1990 to 2006

This proves that the continental US has warmed. It doesn't prove why. Could have done the same thing from the 1940's to the 1970's except it would have shown the continental US had cooled. Correlation does not equal causation.

[AGW denialism debunked]

Just as easily as creationism. Isn't AGW denialism and evolution denialism basically the same thing anyway?

REAL CLIMATE
Climate Science from Climate Scientists
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/.....tart-here/

[Suthenboy]

evolution denialism is denying a phenomena that demonstrably exists.

Denying AGW is denying a phenomena that demonstrably does not exist.

Yeah, they are the same thing.

[AGW demonstrably exists]

Yeah, they're the same thing. Thanks.

[Greg F]

Just as easily as creationism. Isn't AGW denialism and evolution denialism basically the same thing anyway?

No. Creationism is the denial of evidence of evolution. In much the same way AGW believers deny evidence contrary to their belief. For example, the ice core record show that CO2 trails temperature on average by about 700 years. The convoluted reason why this is so presented by the AWG believers is without emperical evidence.

As far as realclimate goes it would of some utility for you to examine the climategate emails. The web site is nothing but a envionmentalist propoganda web site. The climategate emails confirm this as Mann states:

...but the important thing is to make sure they're (the skeptics)loosing the PR battle. That's what the site (Realclimate)is about.

Bottom line is Realclimate is a PR site. The members of that web site have a financial interest in keeping the AWG scare going.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[very adept at lying]

very adept at lying
very adept at lying
very adept at lying
very adept at lying

Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless. ~Ecclesiastes 5:10

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[made too much money]

made too much money
made too much money
made too much money
made too much money

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. ~1 Timothy 6:10

[robc]

Sigh, how about "failed to blow all her money"?

[John]

Don't feed it rob.

[robc]

didnt see all the others.

Sigh, I respect MNG, he sticks to one handle and incifs away easily.

[John]

He at least tries. I am still not convinced the griefer is Rather. Rather is pardon the pun rather odd. But she doesn't strike me as a leftist. I think all of the griefer posts going back to oh no not this again are the same, sad Kos dweller trying to screw up the board.

[rather]

I'm John

[nope]

"Sigh, I respect MNG, he sticks to one handle"

lol, no

[rather]

How dare you burst my little puppy's bubble 🙁

[rather]

And while I'm at it, fart in a jar today. Make it a big day. Visit Taco Bell first.

[*sigh*]

[Res Publica Americana]

We really shouldn't be gracing the comments of the President of Dumbfuckistan, but it's hard to resist addressing such retardation, isn't it?

[John]

I think of him more as the ambassador and first citizen of dumbfuckistan.

[*sigh*]

[Dumfuckistan]

**Double Sigh**

[Here's your sign.]

[Res Publica Americana]

No, no, John -- can't you see we're being rude here? We should refer to his country using its full name!

Ladies and gentlemen, Chief Ambassador and First Citizen of the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Dumbfuckistan!

[John]

Of PDSRD for short.

[Church Lady: could it be....]

? Satan
? Socialism

Market fundamentalists sound like an Evangelical Fundamentalist broken record.

[you hate they we make fun]

but that's all you'll get.

[rather]

I'm robc

[rather]

I'm farting in a jar.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[I]

Does criminalizing the behavior...make it that much harder to for such people to seek the help they need?

I like how Nick blames "government" for what were entirely Ms. Houston's own life choices. Granted, he doesn't actually go as far as to blame Houston's demise on the war on drugs...he asks us to do it for him. It's a stretch, and a rather slimy one at that. If "government" stigmatized anything, it was drug use, not treatment.

[John]

Of course going to treatment means admitting drug use. And yes, Houston was a celebrity who didn't live the by the rules the rest of us do. But I think for an average person, drugs being illegal makes it hard to get treatment, since getting treatment requires one to admit to being a criminal.

[Res Publica Americana]

Some people just can't seem to see the excruciatingly awful effects of prohibition, and how it exacerbates what would otherwise be manageable issues.

[Awful effects of city-Statism]

Some people just can't seem to see the excruciatingly awful effects of city-Statism (civilization,) and how it exacerbates what would otherwise be manageable issues.

[Res Publica Americana]

This just in: White Inbred spotted in Somalia

http://rulehibernia.com/wp-con.....tivist.jpg

[Somalia = Libertarian Paradise]

The Anarchy Advantage in Somalia
Brian Doherty | December 27, 2006
reason.com/blog/2006/12/27/the-anarchy-advantage-in-somal

Stateless in Somalia, and Loving It
Mises Daily: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 by Yumi Kim
mises.org/daily/2066

[Mr Whipple]

The Xeer legal system is probably the most fair and humane legal system ever created. It has existed for centuries and has survived Colonialism, Communism, Civil War, and Western interference.

http://www.legalaffairs.org/pr.....msp?id=891

In fact, a tribalist primmie like yourself should appreciate Xeer. Dumbfuck.

[Dumbfuck Whipple]

Loves him some Somalia.

[Mr Whipple]

Actually, I would prefer a Polycentric legal system, dumbfuck. Now, go do your homework.

[Dumbfuck Whipple]

Doesn't do homework, but wants others to do homework. Weird.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Mr Whipple]

That was one of Glenn Greenwald's conclusions in his report on drug decriminalization in Portugal.

By freeing its citizens from the fear of prosecution
and imprisonment for drug usage,
Portugal has dramatically improved its ability
to encourage drug addicts to avail themselves of
treatment.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpap.....epaper.pdf

[I like]

"I like how Nick blames "government" for what were entirely Ms. Houston's own life choices."

I like how you totally failed to read the article for comprehension.

[Suthenboy]

Dunphy summed it up pretty well. The WOD is really bad policy, but it didnt have anything to do with Houston's death.

I remember when Reagan ran a poll asking people if they would be willing to give up some of their civil liberties in order to combat drugs and it came back overwhelmingly in favor of the war on drugs. I was astounded at how stupid people were....but then I was younger and more naive about the average person's intelligence and unaware of how biased most polls are.

[WOD=Capitalist property values]

Crack houses lower property values. As Reagan and every Republican knows.

[Dumfuckistan]

*Sigh*

[*sigh*]

Best libertard riposte, ever.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[incorrect]

"Crack houses lower property values. "

Wrong.

These days crack houses are well kept in an effort to hide them more effectively.

[Idiot Libertard refuted again]

Crack house
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.

[Free range retard gets shut up]

http://www.thefix.com/content/.....epage=all

NOT from wikipedia, I win again.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[you're both idiots]

"Dunphy summed it up pretty well. The WOD is really bad policy, but it didnt have anything to do with Houston's death."

The question was "does the war on drugs make seeking treatment harder"

Unsurprisingly, you two, the two dumbest motherfuckers on the board, miss the point.

[Suthenboy]

I got the point shitstain.

"The question was "does the war on drugs make seeking treatment harder" "

No, it wasnt. The question is; "Did the Drug War Make it Any Easier for Whitney Houston to Seek Help For Substance Abuse?"

What I said is that the WOD has nothing to do with her death. It had no effect on her ability to seek or find 'treatment'.

"two dumbest motherfuckers on the board"....I guess we have three in the club now....welcome.

[No, liar, you didn't]

"I got the point shitstain."

Aww, look who is upset because he didn't get the point and hates that I pointed it out.

""The question was "does the war on drugs make seeking treatment harder" "

No, it wasnt. The question is; "Did the Drug War Make it Any Easier for Whitney Houston to Seek Help For Substance Abuse?"

A distinction without a difference, unless you didn't get the point (like you) and need to make a pathetic argument to pretend you understand what is being discussed.

"What I said is that the WOD has nothing to do with her death. It had no effect on her ability to seek or find 'treatment'."

And you were a moron for claiming that.

No asshole you DID NOT get the point.

[Wow]

"What I said is that the WOD has nothing to do with her death. It had no effect on her ability to seek or find 'treatment'."

Yeah the War on Drugs in NO WAY altered treatment options or social opinions toward drugs, nor did it in ANY WAY affect her ability to seek or find treatment.

Jesus Christ, you're actually stupid enough to think a multi trillion dollar "war" had "no effect"?

You're really THAT FUCKING STUPID?

[NIce of you to admit]

""two dumbest motherfuckers on the board"....I guess we"

At least you owned up to being one of the two dumbest assholes on the board.

[John]

Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment," Melinda Henneberger of the Washington Post offered to Chris Matthews on MSNBC.

http://www.ocregister.com/arti.....holic.html

Words fail.

[Res Publica Americana]

Seld-deluded pinko scum transitions to self-aware, witting statist abomination, loses right to be taken seriously.

Fuck her with a barbed cane.

[John]

No kidding. I can't believe someone would say that. What possibly could she have been thinking?

[Res Publica Americana]

The saddest thing is that she won't ever realize she's right up there in moral quality with the Ayatollah.

She crossed a line. She's not even a progressive anymore. She's literally starting to resemble a Leninist at this point, and the one thing I hate with more passion than fascism is communism.

[Marxism of the Right]

Like Marxism, libertarianism offers the fraudulent intellectual security of a complete a priori account of the political good without the effort of empirical investigation. Like Marxism, it aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics.

Marxism of the Right
By Robert Locke
The American Conservative
theamericanconservative.com/article/2005/mar/14/00017/

[Dumfuckistan]

**sigh**

[*sigh*]

Best libertard riposte, ever.

[Mr Whipple]

Yeah, that's it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N....._principle

[Privation Property=Aggression]

The capitalist invasion caused a Trail of Tears. The continued occupation requires daily violence to maintain agricultural city-Statist privation property.

[Mr Whipple]

So, what do you want? Reparations? Tax free casinos? Fuck, I wish Natives were still allowed to sell tax-free cigarettes on the internet.

[What do you think is fair?]

[fair is irrelevant]

[Justice is fair]

But yes, we know "fairness" is irrelevant to autistic Libertards.

"Libertarians are the ONLY group that scored higher on systemizing than on empathizing?and they scored a lot higher. The authors go on to suggest that systemizing is "characteristic of the male brain, with very extreme scores indicating AUTISM."

The Science of Libertarian Morality
A social psychology study explores the formation of the libertarian personality.
http://reason.com/archives/201.....tarian-mor

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Mr Whipple]

Social Science is a soft science.

[Mr Whipple = Soft Head]

[Res = City-Statist Scum]

Fuck Res Publica Americana with a tomahawk in his skull.

See how that works, Res? Is turnabout fair play, ya agricultural city-Statist wanker?

[Dumfuckistan]

**Sign**

[Res Publica Americana]

Next time, remove the sand from your vagina before inserting a studded vibrator. It won't hurt as much.

[Experience is the best teacher]

thanks, teacher

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Tulpa]

Fuck her with a barbed cane.

Maybe you should check the context of what she said before urging penetrative punishment.

She was DEFENDING the Catholic position in this interview. Shit Steyn at John's link deliberately took her out of context. He's the gaping asshole in this story (as usual).

[incorrect]

"He's the gaping asshole in this story (as usual)."

Says the giant asshole who arrogantly claimed the quote wasn't even in the story.

[sloopyinca]

Is it assholes all the way down yet?

Tulpa, is that a real e-mail address? I need to get you a wedding invitation.

And for that matter, there are a lot of you on here that need to either e-mail me or Banjos their e-mail address so we can get you your invites.

[Tulpa]

It's as real as you want it to be, baby.

[Tulpa]

I don't know if I'm giving you my mailing address, though. Last time I gave my address to someone on the Internet, the cops raided my house to shut down my ferret-breeding op.

[sloopyinca]

I'm sure Richard Gere and the rest of your clients were heartbroken.

[Tulpa]

If it's any further southwest than Kentucky, I probably won't be able to go anyway. I'll send a fruitcake though.

You might want to get some security for the wedding if you're inviting all these Internet people. Maybe dunphy is available to do Ben Rothlisberger-type bodyguard duty.

[sloopyinca]

I should ask him to be the entertainment. Apparently, he's done just about everything that could be done in the world.

Ooh, I know! He can do his sword-swallowing routine, but only if he learns the difference in his mouth and his asshole, which is almost impossible.

[Tulpa]

You know you're over the hill as an entertainer when the calls stop coming for your work as a birthday party clown and you have to start doing self-impalement.

[dunphy]

what's sad is that your life is apparently so empty and useless that my relative "normal" accomplishments seem like a big deal to you.

i am serious about this. only a complete loser would think they are that special at all.

iow, somebody who has never accomplished or done anything in their life beyond sitting in their mama's basement.

i mean, what is so surprising? nationally ranked strength athlete? big deal. i have a few guys in my dept. who are former NFL or MLB which is WAY WAY more competitive. anoother cop in another agency who just died was a former winner of the seattle marathon, according to the paper.

played in a band that was reasonably popular? i've got two guys THAT I KNOW OF, in my agency that were former television actors in some pretty popular shows (the guy who played eddie haskell btw ended up a LAPD cop).

i like to surround myself with winners. it pushes me. losers like to whine.

[sloopyinca]

Haha. And you offer not a shred of evidence that any of your "accomplishments" are anything more than your deluded fantasies.

FYI: I've completed half-Ironman's, I've ran multiple marathons, doing every single one in a Boston qualifying time, I've done long-distance ocean swims and I've coached and mentored young athletes for years. I ran track and X-C in college. I was all-state in both for 3 years in high school and started varsity basketball. I'm quite good friends with many former professional athletes and with one of the biggest recording artists in the world.

And unlike you, I'm not a laughingstock on here, notorious for spouting unverifiable accomplishments. Everybody knows my real name, where I live and what I do for a living (most know who I do it for as well). You, on the other hand, make outlandish claims and hide in a shroud of secrecy "for your safety."* No wonder I've got more credibility on here than you do, with the readers, posters, writers and editors. Have a nice day.

*LOL

[Tulpa]

There's a difference between missing a sentence fragment buried in a 1000-word essay on Henry VIII and deliberately cutting a quote mid-sentence to make it appear someone was arguing the opposite of what they were arguing.

[Tulpa=excuse making liar]

There's also a difference between arrogantly claiming something is not in the piece TWICE, and making a simple mistake.

More to the point, if you werre LOOKING FOR THE QUOTE IN THE PIECE how bad is your fucking reading comprehension that you MISSED THE QUOTE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR then INSISTED TWICE that it wasn't there.

YOU ARE A LIAR, and now your sorry lying ass is just making excuses.

[Ein Wanderer]

Everything except secular humanism, civic religion and may progressive christianity must be forbidden for the good of mankind. I thought that was obvious?

[Bee Tagger]

Strange that it came in an attempted defense of religious liberty.

http://www.theblaze.com/storie.....-religion/

[John]

Steyn didn't include the whole context. Maybe she was being ironic. But that is a really stupid way to be ironic. Imagine saying maybe the drafters of the 14th Amendment were wrong to include equal protection for all of the races. But they did.

I suppose it is a rhetorical technique. But it is a pretty stupid one.

[Tulpa]

In other words, you didn't check the context before posting that here and now you're scrambling to find an excuse to continue criticizing her so you can save face.

Shit Steyn took someone out of context to advance his talking points? My God, who could believe that would happen?

[John]

No Tulpa, I tend to generally take people at their word. And as I said above, she hardly seems to be a friend of liberty. Never once does she endorse or defend the concept. She only says we have to do it because that mean old Constitution says so.

[DK]

Is this any different than any of the other amendment rights that statists have tried to limit/abolish?

Maybe the government should have quartered a DEA agent in Whitney's home. Might as well fuck with the 3rd Amendment. Actually, this brings up a point, would a government agent be equivalent to a soldier?

[Res Publica Americana]

Absolutely. They have the power of the state behind them, and operate under the color of law.

[Privation Property=CityStatism]

Libertarians are all Statists, because without the State, there would be no privation property.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Tulpa]

1. That quote isn't at the link.

2. The quote is taken absolutely, completely, unabashedly out of context, and whoever cut that quote out of the middle of a sentence (?!) knew exactly what they were doing and should be roundly condemned rather than unthinkingly repeated. Henneberger was actually defending the Catholic position on this issue.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: There you have the ideological argument from the left, I suppose, the progressives in this country. You heard it well-spoken there, I believe, Melinda, they see it as an argument over whether you're allowed to have birth control or getting covered as part of the insurance or not. The Catholic Church and those who are looking at the interests of the, well, the First Amendment if you will, as they see it look at it differently. Explain this distinction and how you look at the interests involved, the conflicts, the rights involved here.

MELINDA HENNEBERGER (Washington Post): I just think the two sides can't hear each other, not that there is anything unusual about that. But I know in my own conversations with friends, I'm saying, "First Amendment, First Amendment, First Amendment." And what I hear back is, "Wow. I had no idea you, you didn't believe in birth control." You know, this really is seen widely among Catholics and people of other faiths as an attack on religious liberty. Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment, but that is what they did and I don't think we have to choose here. The key is that I think there are ways we can go about this where, without infringing on any concern about a woman's health, we can still guarantee religious liberty without which, I mean, there is no way this is going to stand in the court but it's also a huge political liability.

MATTHEWS: Okay. You say there is no way it's going to stand in the court. Let's assume there is no legislation that gets signed by the President. Let's assume it stands between this who's going to blink thing. Let's ask, will the Catholic Church, let's ask, blink? Can you imagine them saying we give up. We're going to provide full insurance coverage with no co-pay for everything now defined by the FDA as birth control. They're going to do it. They're going to go for this?

HENNEBERGER: That actually can never happen so they would have to literally go- I mean, what Sister Carol Keehan is saying who runs the Catholic Health association, do I really have to choose between the call that I think came from Jesus to serve the have nots in this world and the government telling me that I have to do something that goes against my faith? I mean, this really- that will never happen so what they're doing is guaranteeing people, you know, these Catholic outfits and others can't serve the populations that they were called to serve. But, it does not have to come to that.

[John]

The quote is too at the link. RTFA

http://www.ocregister.com/arti.....holic.html

And even in context Henneberger still comes off badly. It still looks to me like she thinks guaranteed free exercise is a bad thing even though she admits that we have it.

[Tulpa]

There is no way an unbiased person could read that text and think she's AGAINST religious liberty or its inclusion in the Bill of Rights.

[John]

Really?

Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment, but that is what they did and I don't think we have to choose here. The key is that I think there are ways we can go about this where, without infringing on any concern about a woman's health, we can still guarantee religious liberty without which, I mean, there is no way this is going to stand in the court but it's also a huge political liability.

She only talks about her women's health pony and getting this thing to stand in court. She never once makes the case that religious liberty is a good thing, only that it is in the Constitution and we can't get this through the courts because of it.

It is hardly an endorsement of free exercise.

[Tulpa]

But I know in my own conversations with friends, I'm saying, "First Amendment, First Amendment, First Amendment." And what I hear back is, "Wow. I had no idea you, you didn't believe in birth control."

Sounds to me like she's defending free exercise.

[John]

No. She is defending the 1st Amendment. There is a difference. But who knows what she thinks. The more I think about it, Steyn was a shit. He shouldn't have quoted it like that.

Fair enough Tulpa, you win.

[STOP LYING TULPA]

Tulpa|2.12.12 @ 10:37AM|#

[quote not found at cite]

Tulpa|2.12.12 @ 10:49AM|#

1. That quote isn't at the link.

[Tulpa]

Whoa, just found it. Had to do a search for "Henneberger" it's so deeply buried in there.

There are shitloads of news stories specifically about this quote out there; Though they all provide at least a little context, which would ruin your point here.

[John]

I am not sure. Why is it so hard for her to say "people should have the right to free exercise" instead of "the constitution requires it"? It is a small but in important difference. You can believe the latter and still think free exercise is a bad thing. That seems to be her position.

[Tulpa]

She wasn't making a Teleprompter speech, John. She was just talking. Sometimes words come together in a way that, taken out of context, can mean the exact opposite of what you were trying to say.

I'm still floored that you're devoting this much criticism to Henneberg's poor choice of words but barely any criticism to Steyn's deliberate decision to take her words out of context. Steyn is the asshole here, without question.

[John]

I am floored that you think it is okay for the government to mandate the practices of religious institutions.

And sorry, I am not giving her the benefit of the doubt. If she wants that, she can walk back and say "regardless of the constitution, people should be free to practice religion as they choose". If she can't do that, then clearly she means what Steyn implies that she meant.

[Tulpa]

I'm totally not floored that you jumped to the conclusion that I support the govt because I'm against misrepresenting what someone said to advance anti-govt talking points.

I'm opposed to the govt on this issue, but I'm also opposed to lying. Particularly considering that Mr Steyn's lie makes someone else look bad undeservingly.

[John]

I think he wasn't fair to her. Her point wasn't as obvious as she made it out to be. That said, from the full context it is not clear at all she thinks religious liberty is more important than the holy grail of free contraception and abortion. She is just honest enough to admit such is in the Constitution.

That makes her better than most. But hardly perfect.

[Maxxx]

Tulpa, you're acting like and obscurantist.

Would a quote that said:

Maybe we'd be better off if the 14th amendment had not ended slaver, but it did

be considered an argument in favor of emancipation? Or would it be the douche bag that said that be seen as sympathetic to slavery?

Same thing with the lefty douche that says "Maybe the founders made a mistake in passing the 1st amendment, but they did. It is clearly an opposition to that amendment, while recognizing that it does exist.

[Tulpa]

Maxxx, I really don't care what a sentence fragment taken out of context sounds like. (and note that Shit Steyn cut off even the "but it did" part to make it seem even more sinister) It's clear from her entire argument that she's in favor of religious liberty.

Nearly any utterance of speech contains sentence fragments that, when taken out of context, would appear to argue the exact opposite of what the speaker was arguing. This is even more likely given that she was speaking off the cuff, not from a prepared speech.

[STOP LYING TULPA]

"Whoa, just found it. Had to do a search for "Henneberger" it's so deeply buried in there"

In other words, you lied twice.

Why not just admit it?

[Tulpa]

Strange that Mark Steyn wasn't as concerned about Catholics being forced to finance the incineration of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is also against their religious beliefs. IIRC population warfare is even more of a no-no in Catholic teaching than condoms are.

[John]

By that logic Catholics should be required to pay taxes. Even they are not claiming that. But paying taxes to a government that does something is a bit different than that government telling you that you have to pay for and do something that violates your religion.

Jesus Tulpa, that is MNG level dishonesty. Are you really on the government's side on this? Do you really think it is okay for the government to tell churches that they have to pay for things that violate their religions? If so, shut up and stop claiming to give a shit about liberty.

[Tulpa]

Right, any criticism of Mark Steyn equals support of the government.

[John]

Then what was your point then? If you want to talk about other sujects, then talk about them. But Styen's opinion on the war has nothing to do with the validity of his point here. Why did you make it if not to defend the mandate?

[Tulpa]

He's "right" about the current controversy, but only because the right position happens to align with what's convenient for TEAM RED politically. Steyn is a misrepresenter of quotes and a raging hypocrite.

[John]

But your position on civilians in Iraq is ludicrous. There is a huge difference between paying taxes and having the government mandate you do something. By your logic, the 1st Amendment means pacifists have a right to opt out of paying federal taxes.

Jesus Christ is there any subject that doesn't somehow relate to your Iraq war PTSD for you people?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Journalists hate sharing the 1st Amendment. Especially with those people.

[URLs fail]

Page not found We're sorry! This page is not available.

[Realist]

Whitney Houston led a destructive life...end of story.

[Capitalism is Destructive]

There is a sore evil which I have seen under the sun, namely, riches kept for the owners thereof to their hurt. ~Ecclesiastes 5:13

[Res Publica Americana]

http://img198.imageshack.us/im.....902082.jpg

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Mr Whipple]

It all started when she divorced Randall Cunningham for that asshole Bobby Brown. Ironically, so did Cunningham's downfall.

[John]

They always say that. And maybe it is true. But what if she was the bad influence? Maybe Bobby Brown's parents are saying "our boy was just fine until he started running around with that coke head Whitney Houston".

[Mr Whipple]

Possible. She was from Newark.

[Mr Whipple]

Now that I think about it, many people did say that she was a bad influence on Randall Cunningham before she left him.

[robc]

So does the link.

[Ice Nine]

The rehab industry is a giant cargo cult.

Amen.

What a farce that racket is! I was for a short time involved, as staff, in a big hospital-based drug rehab facility. It was to a great extent a fantastical social event attended by pathetic dependent personalities most of whom were attending because of extraneous motivators (family, court, etc.) and having nothing whatsoever to do with any personal desire to clean up. Witnessing the group therapy circle jerks and watching these jokers parroting the obligatory catch-phrases and stock lines that they knew were expected of them to demonstrate "progress" was almost unbearable - as was the self-congratulation for their "courage" at the end of the program.

And then, back they came in a year or so. For many it was like old home week as they encountered druggies and boozers they had met other times and other programs. One of the first questions on the intake history form was: "How many times have you been in rehab?" It's like people who tell me, "This is the third time I've quit smoking." I always say to them, "I'm not sure you know the meaning of 'quit'."

[Techno-salvationist Cargo Cult]

I hope nobody reads Neil and Neil here. Or that nitwit Ray Kurzweil.

[Mr Whipple]

Ray Kurzweil is Darth Vader.

[John]

I am of the opinion that some people are just degenerates. And drugs are just an excuse for these people to be such. There are tons of "functional addicts". People use drink or smoke or whatever but still manage to get up every day and go to work and live a productive life. That tells me that the guy who steals his mother's wedding ring to buy drugs is not an addict, he is just a thief. And if drugs magically disappeared tomorrow, he would still be a thief.

It is the same with the people at your hospital. If drugs and booze magically disappeared tomorrow, those people would be no better off. They would still be degenerates, they would just be using another excuse.

[people are just degenerates]

people are just degenerates
people are just degenerates
people are just degenerates
people are just degenerates

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of The Invisible Hand; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Free Market: Whom Capitalism hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his rational economy, to declare his righteousness for the remission of Savages that are primitive.

[Dumfuckistan]

**Sigh**

[thank you for registering]

your ineffectual defiance of reality

[Dumbfuckistan]

**DOUBLE SIGH**

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Mr Whipple]

The first thing any good counselor will tell you is that if you are not there for yourself, it's probably not going to "work". The only way to "cure" an addict, is to allow them to hit bottom.

[mad libertarian guy]

If only the people who would try and mandate rehab instead of jail would take that logic and apply it to the economy.

The only way to "cure" a bad economy is to allow it to hit rock bottom.

[Rob McMillin]

Does prohibition - which demonstrably fails to keep illegal drugs out of the hands of people who want them - simply make it that much harder for people like Houston to admit and seek problems for their problems?

No, but maybe they want help for their problems. #copyeditfail

[Aresen]

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of ie that the Drug Warriors will use her death to proclaim how it shows that "we must increase our efforts to prevent the sale of drugs."

[John]

If drugs can kill a rich and talented person like Whitney Houston, what chance do our children have Aresen?

[Res Publica Americana]

Think of the FUCKING CHILDREN, LIBERTARDS!!!!!

/DNC

[Can't I just whip the children]

...especially if they're too sick to pay for health care?

"Here's the situation. My child is gravely ill...boss me around, and then whip me every time I displeased him. He values this opportunity...would never shell out the cold cash if, after he paid, I could haul him into court on assault and battery charges when he whipped me. Then, without this financial arrangement, I would have to witness the death of my child, probably the most devastating thing that can ever happen to a parent."

Voluntary Slave Contracts
by Walter Block, Austrian Economic Scholar
http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block134.html

[Dumbfuckistan]

SIGH

[Voluntary Slavery 4da Children]

Here's the situation. My child is gravely ill.
~Austrian "economic" LOLOL "scholar"

LOLOLOLOL

Libertards are so comical. It's only for the children when they do it.

[Res Publica Americana]

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/i.....k-1164.jpg

[Arguement by links to pics]

This is what libertardism is reduced to, so easily.

You're intellectually bankrupt, Res.

[Res Publica Americana]

No, but me and everybody else are going to be FINANCIALLY bankrupt if our economic policy isn't changed. You think you can manage going away for a few years to allow us to concentrate on defeating statism, or what?

[Resist city-Statism or die]

END:CIV
Resist or Die
http://endciv.com/

If your homeland was invaded by aliens who cut down the forests, poisoned the water and air, and contaminated the food supply, would you resist?

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Nyarlathotep]

"Avatar" is a work of fiction, Bob/Godesky. False hypothetical.

[Res Publica Americana]

Does mom's state-subsidized basement have plumbing?

[Do you pay property tax?]

Dada Dum

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Richard Lowell]

Alcohol also kills rich and talented people like Whitney Houston, so why don't you join the fight to return to alcohol prohibition?
Do your children have a chance to not become alcoholics even though it's legal?
Quit trying to use the police power of government to protect your children, the government is not daddy. Instead, YOU be the parent, YOU educate your children about the dangers of alcohol or drugs or unprotected sex or a million other things. It is NOT societies job to teach and protect your children, it is yours.

[John]

I was being sarcastic Richard. I agree with you completely. Sorry that didn't come through.

[Francisco d Anconia]

We need a sarcasm font.

I wonder if we could get the G to subsidize it?

[mad libertarian guy]

"Drugs" didn't kill Whitney any more than "guns" kill people who are shot with them.

[DrugWarrior=Property Protector]

Crack houses lower property values. You know it. I know it.

[Mr Whipple]

Yeah, but:

I tell ya, golf courses and cemeteries are the biggest wastes of prime real estate

.

- Al Czervik

[Richard Lowell]

True, but I don't see crack houses popping up in areas where the property value really matters anyway. Every crack house I've ever seen was in an area where property values were destroyed a looooong time ago.

[Res Publica Americana]

This is a left-anarchist/primitivist you you're talking with. Besides chest-thumping gorillas and organic vibrators, he doesn't understand anything. It's a lost cause.

[el Commentariosa]

you give it too much credit.

[Stalin]

I like how libertarians try to dehumanize people by calling them "it" or trying to get them to think of humans as mere property, which can easily be disposed of, with their "self-ownership" bait-and-switch bullshit. It's how I was able to do the Holodomor with a clear conscience.

[Dumbfuckistan]

**Sigh**

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Blacks destroy property values]

Drug War = War on Aggressive Melanin

"In short; RACIALIST SCIENCE is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors."

~Murray Rothbard

[Res Publica Americana]

Is your wet nurse writing this for you as you dictate, or what? Because you obviously can't read worth a fuck.

[Are you a fundamentalist, RPA?]

"In short; RACIALIST SCIENCE is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors."

~Murray Rothbard

The quote is accurate; it's copied and pasted from Rothbard's book.

Plus great commentary on covert Libertarian Racism here:

Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell and Scientific Racism
Tuesday, July 06, 2010
http://holocaustcontroversies......l-and.html

[Dumbfuckistan]

**Sigh**

[one can only hope]

that by the time next year rolls around non regular visitors like me wont have to read through your copious misleads and nonsense, anarchist thug

[Hopium and Changium]

[incorrect]

"They can't refute that the lust for maintaining property values is the primary driving reason for the drug war."

Wrong.

These days crack houses are well kept in an effort to hide them more effectively.

[incorrect]

"Crack houses lower property values. You know it. I know it."

Wrong.

These days crack houses are well kept in an effort to hide them more effectively.

[Libertard idiot refuted again]

Crack house
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crack house is a term mainly used in the United States used to describe an old, often abandoned or burnt-out building often in an inner-city neighborhood where drug dealers and drug users buy, sell, produce, and use illegal drugs, including, but not limited to, crack cocaine.

[Mr Whipple]

So, why don't you and your Mutualist friends go around and commandeer all of the abandoned and burnt out buildings and turn them into housing for the homeless?

[WIKIPEDIA?]

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

AHAHAAHAHAHAHA

I win.

[Free range retard gets shut up]

http://www.thefix.com/content/.....e?page=all

NOT from wikipedia, I win again.

[It's from wiki, with good refs]

Libertards can't even google wiki, apparently. Jeesh.

[and it says you're wrong]

In response to increased community scrutiny and law enforcement activity, drug operations are moving from the inner cities to the suburbs, in an effort to blend in.

[You cited wiki]

And it says you're wrong.

You can't even get a cite from wiki to agree with you AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

FROM WIKIPEDIA!!!!

AHAHAHAHAAH

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[glad you finally googled it]

instead of denying it existed

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile]

And it says you're wrong.

You can't even get a cite from wiki to agree with you AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

[@AgoristDon]

My take: Our attitude as a society toward drug illness contributed to Whitney's death.

The Tireless Agorist: Whitney Houston - Drug War Victim

http://tirelessagorist.blogspo.....ictim.html

[Agorism = Statism]

Agora
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Free-born male land-owners who were citizens would gather in the Agora for military duty or to hear statements of the ruling king or council.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Mr Whipple]

Free-born male land-owners who were citizens would gather in the Agora for military duty or to hear statements of the ruling king or council.

Is that what Agorism is? Wow. I guess SEK3 was wrong.

http://kopubco.com/pdf/An_Agor.....y_SEK3.pdf

[you = fucking retard]

"Agora
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

learn how to use wiki

"Agorism generally refers to a political philosophy founded by Samuel Edward Konkin III that holds as its ultimate goal the bringing about of a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics"

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ U

[Agorism = Statism]

Agora
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Free-born male land-owners who were citizens would gather in the Agora for military duty or to hear statements of the ruling king or council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora

[you=fucking retard]

"Agora
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

learn how to use wiki

"Agorism generally refers to a political philosophy founded by Samuel Edward Konkin III that holds as its ultimate goal the bringing about of a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics"

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ U

[you=fucking retard]

"The Agora (Greek: ?????, Agor?) was a central spot in ancient Greek city-states. The literal meaning of the word is "Gathering place" or "Assembly". The agora was the center of athletic, artistic, spiritual and political life of the city.[1]"

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA IT'S WHERE THEY WENT FUCKWIT AHAHAHAHAAHAH

[you=fucking retard]

"Free-born male land-owners who were citizens would gather in the Agora"

It's an assembly area you fucking twit, and you're actually stupid and illiterate enough to misread that.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

[Assembly Area for STATISTS]

That's the agora.

[LOL YOU"RE THAT STUPID]

"It's an assembly area you fucking twit, and you're actually stupid and illiterate enough to misread that."

LOL YOU TRY SO HARD AND FAIL!!!

[LOL YOU"RE THAT STUPID]

The agora was the center of athletic, artistic, spiritual and political life of the city.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

[Richard Lowell]

As I read on Reason sometime before, parts of Europe are allowing their heroin addicts to legally get their fix from certain doctors, removing the fear of arrest or other harassment from the government. From what I read, after years of this program, they are finding that the addicts are seeking treatment in greater numbers and the argument is that the relationship of trust that develops between the addict and the doctor they are seeing leads to an open communication that makes the addict more comfortable opening up and seeking the treatment they need.
So, yes, places where trial legalization is tried, there does seem to be an increase in addicts seeking treatment. Europe is not the only example.
That said, of course there are a percentage of addicts who will always refuse to quit, that is the nature of addiction.
Also, keep in mind that many people who use are not addicts, just as many people who drink are not alcoholics. Some people just enjoy a buzz - a couple of drinks, or a couple of totes from a j.

[Rather]

I don't think the drug war had agency her addiction/treatment; the speculation that she was clean for her movie but post-filming returned to her usual dose is possible but her handlers likely provided script drugs VS. street. Quantity, and not quality as the concern, I suspect an underlying condition

Dumphy addicts don't want to get well because they are addicted! Are you a television cop?

When I think of Whitney's bittersweet story of fame, her first visit to the White House comes to mind: she was there to sing, and someone asked her to get them a drink; they thought she was wait-staff. The episode comminute her confidence, and showbiz people are diffident; I wish she had the wherewithal to get the guest a drink and wink at her from the stage.

Addiction hasn't any illiberality

[Mr Whipple]

Obviously, what the Drug Warriors need to do is send out warning letters.

http://www.thedailyjournal.com.....den-camera

[Res Publica Americana]

"Dear druggie,

SWAT's on its way to shoot your dog, steal your shit, and send you to a supermax. Though I'd give you a friendly heads-up, superior being to inferior sack of drug-using scum, you know?

Best regards and rot in hell, you lowly serf,

Commissioner Ballsdeep."

[Capitalism is a Trail of Tears]

Supermax Reservations

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[John]

If they shut down the drug markets, just what money would come into Camnden? I thought getting out of towners to spend money is one of the mayor's jobs.

[Res Publica Americana]

Camden should become a byword for progressivism's obliteration of prosperity, slums, shitholes, and rotten cops.

[John]

RPA, that is all the libertarians fault. Even though no one but far left liberals have been in charge of the place for decades and no libertarian as ever so much as been dog catcher there. It is still all the evil small government types' fault. If it hadn't been for their obstructionism, Camden would be a paradise.

[Res Publica Americana]

Phew, John -- it's a total relief to hear you say that! I thought you might be one of those libertard Tea-Bagger neo-Confederates! Heh.

The problem is that the obstructionistic Republicants didn't allow the great progressives of New Jersey to go FAR ENOUGH, you see? If they'd just gone further, Camden would be the shining beacon we've all been waiting for.

It's the same with Detroit. As anybody with a Harvard degree knows, one of the greatest and most productive cities in history, being a once-extraordinary beacon of prosperity, Detroit went to shit because the Libertarian Party implanted mind-control devices into city officials' brains, and libertoid free-market fantasies were allowed to run wild.

[Mr Whipple]

Camden was a paradise, so to speak, until the unions came in and forced companies like Campbell's Soup and RCA to relocate their factories.

[John]

Places like that make me sad. They were once places of production and industry. That is until the socialist vampire sank its teeth into them.

[Capitalist Vampire]

America was once a place of production and industry. That is until the capitalist vampire sank its teeth into it.

The Great American Bubble Machine
From tech stocks to high gas prices, Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression -- and they're about to do it again

http://www.rollingstone.com/po.....e-20100405

[Mr Whipple]

Hmmm, so you think our banking system is based on Capitalism? How naive. If you don't know the difference between "Free Banking" and "Central Banking", I suggest you follow this link and educate yourself.

http://www.econlib.org/library.....Cover.html

[True Communism=True Capitalism]

Fantasy.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Richard Lowell]

People, whether Whitney or a slum crack addict, never have and never will change because there is a law.
People did NOT quit drinking because of a law against drinking, people do NOT quit smoking pot because of law, and people would NOT quit eating fried chicken if there was a law.
Trying to make people be what you want with laws is social engineering and it has NEVER worked and never will. People are who they are and neither you nor a million laws you might support will ever change that.
What you will do with social engineering is cause a million seen and un-forseen consequences, like black markets and gang retaliations.
I wonder just how many innocent by-standers have to die because of, not drugs, but your drug war, before the public gets completely fed up with it - millions have died already. After all, the drug war is a WAR, and, if you declare a war, people die.

[Res Publica Americana]

I agree. Also, I'm a rabid anti-prohibitionist.

[Hobie Hanson]

They have medicine for people like you these days.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Sad part is, we've been down this road before and failed to learn from it. All this was predictable by simply looking at the history of Prohibition.

WoD = Prohibition

The existence of the "war" killed significantly more people than the substance ever would have on its own.

[Mr. FIFY]

Still a dick, eh, Hobie?

[Richard Lowell]

Could you imagine if we legalized and cities like Camnden were able to set up legitimate businesses and to become legal businessmen that didn't have to defend their profits with a gun?
Legalization could quite possibly completely turn around economies in these cities and give them hope for a brighter future without cops swarming in on a daily basis.
One can only dream.

[Res Publica Americana]

Who gives a fuck about irrelevant crap like "brighter futures", or "freedom", or "business"? Power, tax revenue, and more power. That's the only thing their government will care about.

[Gov't=Owners Middle Management]

George Carlin The real owners of the country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oBo8CJxatQ

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[John]

That is right. What good is prosperity if the government can't control it?

[Mr Whipple]

I was thinking the same thing. Drug sales boost the local economy. Another thing, those well established drug sets are probably the safest areas in Camden.

[Res Publica Americana]

I went to an oracle for a glimpse of Max and White Indian's futures, and I got something very similar for both:

http://img545.imageshack.us/im.....andgun.jpg

[Arguement by links to pics]

Intellectually bankrupt libertardism is reduced to argumentum linkum pictorum.

So reasonable Funny. Every. Day.

[one can only hope]

Where was I attempting to argue, Ambassador? Arguing with you is like hoping to flood the Earth by pissing in the ocean.

[Res Publica Americana]

Stupid joke handles.

[Dumbfuckistan]

The intellectual bankruptcy of modern society becomes more apparent every day. Growing food makes you starve. Working makes you a slave. Curing sickness makes you sick.

The only thing left to do is sit in your mom's basement on your fat ass munching as many cheesie poofs as you can stuff into huge pie hole preparing for the day when 99% of the population finally dies off and you are free to gambol in your electric chair scooter.

[Res Publica Americana]

Of course, when his electric scooter dies for lack of gasoline and any place to acquire more, he'll willingly gambol into the nearest ravine and nourish Mother Gaia with the nutrients in his body.

Right, White Inbred?

[Argument by wikipeida]

"Intellectually bankrupt free range retard is reduced to argumentum wikipedium"

AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

yeah

[John]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/201.....ny/3821906

This is interesting. Amazing how they were able to cover shit up back then.

[Richard Lowell]

Well, I read it and don't see why it would have been that difficult to cover up. One casualty and a few wounded, a couple of machine guns fired into a tent.
Not that big a deal when you consider the many, many officers that were shot by their subordinates in many other battles. In Vietnam, it was not unusual at all for someone to take out their commanding officer because he was an idiot ordering them into dangerous situations.

[From the Who Knew? Dept.]

Are you surprised?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvoh7z548fA

[sloopyinca]

Poor Whitney Houston.

But at least she didn't get murdered like this lady did.

[John]

That case is just horrible from start to finish. She was sitting in a parking lot minding her own business. The school wondered why she was there. And rather than go ask her, they called the cops, who of course murdered her.

[Res Publica Americana]

"Personally I think it may be an overreaction, maybe excessive force, but I can only surmise that," Cook said.

It was a self-entitled, authoritarian piece of rat shit executing a woman for talking back and disobeying.

First-degree murder charges, anybody?

[sloopyinca]

Let's get dunphy on here to like the badge of the supercop who put his life on the line by reaching into someone's car he had no reason to reach into. Oh, and then he lied about it, apparently.

Question for any cops out there: if someone is shot at point blank range and there is an eyewitness who describes the event, is the person identified as the killer usually taken into custody?

Another statistic. Murdered in her own car because she rolled up a window on one of her betters. Tragic.

[John]

He is special sloopy. If he is indicted for this, he will get to turn himself in at an appointed time and be booked by an apologetic sobbing fellow officer. If he happens to be convicted of anything, he will spend a few months in protective custody living like Henry Hill in Goodfellas thanks to the support of his brother officers.

[dunphy]

there is no crime against shooting somebody at point blank range.

what specifically are you whining about? i know i know. you are so convinced (and god knows) no evidence will convince you othjerwise, that cops have some special license to kill

i already cited a case in oregon where a neighbor shot a burglar who had broken into the neighbors house with NO evidence of violence or even being armed, and shot the guy as he ran away outside the neighbors' house and was not charged

that's because , as a noncop, he was held to a LESSER standard for deadly force in arrest situations

cops are held to tenn v. garner.

it must be fun to live in your delusional world.

just like you cannot come up with ONE example in Wa state of anybody gettinga 23 yr sentence, with no felony priors for an assault indictment/conviction (but a cop did), i challenge you to come up with a case where a cop shot a fleeing burglar after he fled a residence not the shooter's own, in the back, with no evidence the burglar was armed or had made threats of vviolence (or even claims of such by the shooter) and the cop was not prosecuted

show me ONE

[John]

He should go to jail for the rest of his life. But sadly, I bet he gets off with manslaughter and does a year or two at most. And that is being optimistic. I wouldn't be shocked if he walks away a free man.

I love how they won't release his name. Any other person shoots someone and their name and picture all over the news. But the cop gets his privacy while he takes a paid vacation. Just infuriating.

[sloopyinca]

This cop will never even be charged. But take solace in the fact that this woman's murder will lead to some new training.

[John]

And two years from now we will have to read about how his life has been ruined since they have made him work a desk.

[dunphy]

lol. 'murder'.

[Suthenboy]

He asked for her ID and she unexpectedly begins rolling her window up. At what point and for what reason was he reaching into her window?
The guy is a liar and a cold blooded murderer. Lucky for him it wasnt my wife.

[sloopyinca]

Yeah, even by his account he had her door handle in one hand, which means for his arm to be caught in the window and for him to have his gun, he'd have to have three fucking arms.

It was an eyewitnessed murder, but there have been no charges, the alleged murderer has not been taken into custody. Names have not been released.

And dildo-heads on here say there is no double-standard....

[Tulpa]

Maybe she was holding her ID inside the vehicle and he was reaching for it.

[sloopyinca]

That's pretty thin justification for shooting someone in the head at point-blank range. Especially when he had her tag # and a good description of her.

[dunphy]

i love sloopy's histrionics. HEAD, point blank range, like these are somehow indiciations of illegality or impropriety.

note: my agency has no prohibiytion against reaching into a car, running or otherwise. some may. i've never worked for an agency that does. many would consider it unduly risky. i would say it's dependant on totality.

[sloopyinca]

He shot her in the head at point-blank range. That's a fact, shit head, not histrionics. And what crime was she fleeing from that justified shooting her in the head? What could have possibly justified this murder, you fucking piece of human filth?

"Totality?" As far as we can see, the cop's version of the story cannot be validated and has been contradicted by eyewitness testimony. As far as I'm concerned, he cannot be trusted to tell the truth, seeing as it's impossible to have a gun in one hand, a door handle in another hand and a third hand inside the car pinned by a window.

Cop's a liar and a murderer as well.

[Mike M.]

The Drug War is indeed stupid and to some extent evil, but please do me a favor and spare me the nonsense that the laws are to blame for the fact that another dingbat in the entertainment industry killed herself. Quit enabling this kind of stupid behavior; lovers of freedom and liberty are supposed to believe in personal responsibility first and foremost.

[Richard Lowell]

I am EXTREMELY Libertarian and a strong belief in personal responsibility does NOT negate the compassion I have for the situations of my fellow man and my personal need to try to help - through giving or talk, not laws.
And, I firmly believe that the existing laws cause far, far more harm then the few people they do help. Maybe there is one person that quits destroying their life with a drug because of the drug war, but when rationally looking at a problem, we can't look at the one victory, we have to look at the overall effect, and the overall effect, as with alcohol prohibition, is an increase in overdoses and addiction problems.

[Personal Responsibility]

Are you personally responsible for what comes out of your tailpipe?

(let the backpedaling begin)

Pollution linked to birth defects
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1731902.stm

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

yeah

[Bean Counter]

Blaming and Politicizing aside - It's a damned shame. A beautiful woman with a remarkable voice has been taken FAR too soon and I cry for her. Whatever gods may be, please let her rest.

[Nique]

There are no gods that be. I hate to be the one to break this to you...Jupiter's Cock! (spartacus reference) ;p

[HarHar]

"We don't do crack. We don't do that. Crack is wack."...

In a 2009 interview with Oprah Winfrey to promote I Look To You, Houston...confessed that she laced her marijuana with rock cocaine ...

That's hilarious because, despite the stupid rhyming slogan, "rock cocaine" is crack.

[sloopyinca]

In her defense, that second interioew was 7 years after she said she didn't do crack. Maybe she picked up the rock after the first quote.

Perhaps we should ask dunphy. I'm sure he knew Whitney Houston, too.

[dunphy]

lol. and the loser speaks. again. barely.

[sloopyinca]

The psycho-stalker rears his ugly head.

[dunphy]

right, you call ME out, i respond and I'm the stalker

your delusions continue

[sloopyinca]

Check the time-stamps, stalker. I happen to mention your name, and it was because Tulpa brought you up upthread, and like clockwork, you respond.

Ooh, and cool post downthread."Hey, everybody! Here's a video I found on YouTube of a person I claim to know, but will not substantiate and you cannot disprove. Posting it means I'm telling the truth about all of my 'accomplishments', so there!"

Here's a video of someone I used to play basketball with on a daily basis for about 4 summers. I know his brother Butch better, but you probably won't.

Enjoy, numbnuts.

[John]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne.....?track=rss

Baltimore cops say you can record them but doing so counts as loitering and still gets you arrested. Fucking pigs.

[Tulpa]

Thank God for police unions:

Union president Robert F. Cherry said the officers did nothing wrong, and the new policy is flawed if it were to find them at fault.

"Long before cameras or phones or videotaping, when you're making an arrest, you want to make sure you watch what's going on around you," Cherry said. "I don't think they did anything wrong asking him to move along. They were professional, and told the individual he was being moved because he is loitering and not because he is videotaping."

"Our officers did everything by the book and should be commended for the way they handled the situation while remaining professional," he said.

Who knows what horrors those cops would be exposed to without the union backing them up.

[Calhoun Tubbs]

Whitney died from the evils of drugs. Wrote a song about it. Like to hear it? Here it goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

[sounds real good]

Until I hear otherwise, I'm assuming that Houston died from some acute episode caused by underlying physical damage caused by her years of drug use, such as to her cardiovascular system. I don't see any reason to assume she died of an overdose. She was supposed to perform at a pre-Grammy party last night and I haven't heard any recent stories about her being off-the-hook on drugs.

[Joe M]

Whitney finally finished Crackin' Up.

[sloopyinca]

Fresno Teen exonerated when video evidence clearly contradicts officers' bullshit "facts and circs".

FTA: Fresno Police initially said they couldn't discuss the case because of the pending litigation, but late Friday, Chief Jerry Dyer issued this statement:

"The mere fact that criminal charges have been dismissed in this case does not mean wrongdoing occurred on the part of the officers. Criminal charges are frequently dismissed within the criminal justice system for a variety of reasons. The officers clearly had justification to arrest the juvenile based upon their account of the incident which has been supported by independent witnesses. Should a lawsuit be filed we are prepared to defend the actions of the officers involved."

So if "their account of the incident" said she was a terrorist and they just shot her, would that be OK too? You know, because "their account" can never be challenged , incorrect or corrupt.

[sounds real good]

I'm pretty sure cops get a special boost, so to speak, when they dominate and manhandle beautiful young women.

[Suthenboy]

In shreveport there is a restaurant just like that across the street from a high school. Before school and after there are zillions of kids hanging out in there. I am guessing this is a similar situation.
What is missing from that story is why she attracted the attention of the cops in the first place. After seeing the video I would suspect her looks drew their attention, but that is pure speculation. It is suspicious that the cops version omits that unimportant little detail.

[Suthenboy]

also omitted is the testimony from the cashier as to whether or not she did actually have an order placed.

We dont know why they approached her, or even why they were there in the first place. It seems if the restaurant had called them that might have been included in the story.

[Suthenboy]

....and what the hell was he doing carrying her like that? If he arrested her in the restaurant, why didnt he have her in handcuffs?

[The Ghost of W.H.]

(sung to the spirit of "Substance")

And I will always love you ....

[White Indian]

Pop ster Whitney Houston is dood op die ouderdom van 48. Terwyl die amptelike oorsaak van die dood is nog nie aangekondig nie, het sy 'n lang geskiedenis van dwelms probleme en was in en uit van rehab oor die jare en dit is waarskynlik dat dwelmmisbruik 'n rol gespeel het. Soos die VSA Vandag herinner ons

[In 2002 het sy 'n onderhoud met Diane Sawyer haar komende Net Whitney te bevorder. Sy het erken dat die gebruik van dwelms in die hoogs TV gekyk onderhoud, wat haar berugte verklaring, "Crack is goedkoop Ek maak te veel geld om ooit crack rook. Kom ons kry wat reguit. OK Ons? Nie doen nie kraak. Ons doen nie doen nie. Crack is klap. "...

In 'n 2009 onderhoud met Oprah Winfrey te bevorder ek kyk na jou, Houston ... gebieg het dat sy gedraai haar dagga met rock koka?en en die lig gebring dat sy tyd deurgebring het in die rehab en ondergaan het 'n ingryping deur haar moeder.

Hier is 'n vraag vir die voorstanders van die dwelm-oorlog: Is 'n verbod - wat aantoonbaar versuim om onwettige dwelms te hou uit die hande van die mense wat hulle wil h? - net maak dit baie moeiliker vir mense soos Houston probleme vir hul probleme te erken en te soek? Almal weet dat dit nie 'n maklike ding vir verslaafdes of probleem gebruikers van iets om te erken dat hulle hulp nodig het. Is criminaliseren die gedrag op die top van alles anders maak dat dit baie moeiliker om vir sulke mense die hulp wat hulle nodig het om te soek?

Hier is een van Houston se handtekening liedjies:

[White Indian]

Pop star Whitney Houston ka vdekur n? mosh?n 48. Nd?rsa shkaku zyrtar i vdekjes ende nuk ?sht? shpallur, ajo kishte nj? histori t? gjat? t? problemeve t? drog?s dhe ishte brenda dhe jasht? rehabilitimin gjat? viteve dhe kjo ?sht? e mundshme q? abuzimin e substancave luajtur nj? rol. Si SHBA Sot na kujton

[N? 2002] ajo e b?ri nj? intervist? me Diane Sawyer p?r t? nxitur e ardhshme e saj Vet?m Whitney. Ajo ka pranuar p?rdorimin e drog?s n? nj? intervist? televizive pash? shum?, e cila p?rfshiu deklarat?n e saj fam?keq, "Crack ?sht? i lir?. Kam b?r? shum? para p?r t? pir? duhan ndonj?her? plas. Le t? merrni se drejt. OK? Ne nuk e b?jm? plas. Ne nuk b?j? k?t?. Crack ?sht? Wack. "...

N? nj? intervist? t? vitit 2009 me Oprah Winfrey p?r t? promovuar I Look To You, Houston ... rr?feu se ajo laced marihuan? saj me kokain? rock dhe zbuloi se ajo do t? shpenzuar koh? n? rehabilitimin dhe kishte p?suar nj? nd?rhyrje nga n?na e saj.

Ja nj? pyetje p?r mb?shtet?sit e luft?s t? drog?s: A ndalim - i cili duksh?m d?shton p?r t? mbajtur t? drogave t? paligjshme nga duart e njer?zve q? duan ata - thjesht t? b?j? at? q? shum? e v?shtir? p?r njer?z si Hjuston t? pranojn? dhe t? k?rkojn? probleme p?r problemet e tyre? Gjithkush e di se ajo nuk ?sht? gj? e leht? p?r t? varur apo p?rdoruesit problematike dhe t? ndonj? gj? t? pranojn? se kan? nevoj? p?r ndihm?. A kriminalizimin e sjelljes n? krye t? ?do gj? tjet?r t? b?j? at? q? shum? m? t? v?shtir? p?r t? p?r njer?z t? till? q? t? k?rkoj? ndihm? q? u nevojitet?

Ja nj? nga k?ng?t e Houston-s? n?nshkrimit:

[Nique]

When you criminalize things that aren't real crimes you still create real criminals. This is the biggest problem with the drug war; drug users have been and continue to be stigmatized as the "scum of the earth" thanks to that fuckhead nixon and every other POWER JUNKIE who has come after him.

So a "scum of the earth" criminal who society says should be locked up is supposed to realize they are fucked up and need help, and then truly admit to themselves and someone else that they really are a scum of the earth criminal and go to a treatment center.

Yeah, that's how drug and alcohol treatment works today. I wonder why success rates are at 5%?

The problem is no one really cares about drug and alcohol treatment, unless they or someone they know is a junkie or a drunk.

Since only (roughly) 7% of the population worldwide abuses drugs and alcohol, the number of people who really care about the issue is not enough to change the current system.

I say make all drugs legal and regulated, taxed, and sold at pharmacies. Make 21 the age limit and make the person who wants to use have to talk to a pharmacist for 30 minutes and sign a consent form.

Then take all the money wasted on law enforcement and put it into treatment. I'm not talking about the bullshit treatment we have today (12-step nonsense, etc), I'm talking about putting it into scientific research to establish a better way of treating addicts, and then force any treatment facility that is tax funded to adhere to federal guidelines made by examining the real data by the studies.

Since Obamacare is unlikely to be repealed, make treatment available to anyone that wants it. No more waiting 3-5 months for a bed \ room \ spot in a treatment program.

Follow these steps and the drug "problem" has been solved. Thing is, there's too many other problems right now for anyone to really care about this, so it will not happen any time soon...I'd give this idea at least 100-200 years before being implimented.

[robc]

fuckhead nixon

Way too late. Not that he wasnt a fuckhead.

fuckhead roosevelt. Or fuckhead coolidge. Or fuckhead a few more guys back then.

[White Indian]

Pop star Whitney Houston hil da 48 urterekin. Heriotza-kausa ofiziala oraindik ez du iragarri, droga-arazoak historia luzea izan zuen eta izan zen eta urte baino gehiago rehab eta litekeena da, substantzien abusua eginkizuna batzuk. AEB As Gaur gogorarazten digu

[2002], Diane Sawyer elkarrizketa Just Whitney bere agerraldiak sustatzeko zuen. Drogak erabiliz telebista oso zaindua elkarrizketa, bertan bere gaiztoa adierazpena onartu zuen, "Crack merkea da. Diru gehiegi crack erretzen inoiz egin dut. Gaitezen zuzen. OK? Ez dugu egin crack. Ez egin. Crack wack da. "...

Oprah Winfrey elkarrizketa 2009 Look dizut, Houston sustatzeko ... laced aitortu duen bere marihuana rock kokaina eta litzaidake berak igarotako denbora rehab en eta bere ama zeuden esku-hartze bat jasan agerian.

Hemen droga gerra defendatzaileen galdera bat da: Ba al du debekua - demonstrably huts egin dituen legez kanpoko droga mantendu nahi dituzten pertsonen eskuetan, besterik gabe, egin Houston bezalako pertsona eta onartu nahi euren arazoak arazo askoz gogorragoa dela? Pertsona orok daki, toxikomano edo arazoa ezer lagundu behar dute aitortzen erabiltzaileek gauza erraza ez dela. Ba al du portaera guztia, bestela gainean criminalizing askoz dela gogorragoa da, pertsona behar dute laguntza bilatzen?

Hemen da Houston sinadura abesti bat:

[White Indian]

L'estrella del pop Whitney Houston ha mort a l'edat de 48. Encara que la causa oficial de mort encara no s'ha anunciat, que tenia una llarga hist?ria de problemes de drogues i va estar entrant i sortint de rehabilitaci? durant els anys i ?s probable que l'ab?s de subst?ncies exercit algun paper. Com EUA Avui en dia ens recorda

[El 2002] va fer una entrevista amb Diane Sawyer per promocionar la seva pr?xima Just Whitney. Ella va admetre l'?s de drogues en l'entrevista televisiva de gran audi?ncia, els quals inclouen la seva declaraci? infame, "El crac ?s barat. Que guanyen massa diners per a fumar s'esberli. Anem a aconseguir que la recta. D'acord? No s'esquerden. No fer aix?. El crac ?s Wack. "...

En una entrevista de 2009 amb Oprah Winfrey per promoure la I Look To You, Houston ... confessar que la marihuana barrejada amb coca?na a la seva roca i va revelar que ella havia passat temps en rehabilitaci?, i s'havien sotm?s a una intervenci? de la seva mare.

Heus aqu? una pregunta per als defensors de la guerra contra les drogues: La prohibici? - que es pugui demostrar no per mantenir les drogues il ? legals fora de les mans de persones que ho desitgin - simplement ho fan molt m?s dif?cil per a les persones com Houston per admetre i tractar els problemes dels seus problemes? Tothom sap que no ?s cosa f?cil per als addictes o consumidors problem?tics de qualsevol cosa que admetre que necessiten ajuda. Es tipifica com a delicte la conducta en la part superior de tota la resta que sigui molt m?s dif?cil per aquestes persones a buscar l'ajuda que necessiten?

Aqu? est? una de les can?ons de la signatura de Houston:

[White Indian]

Pop zvijezda Whitney Houston je umro u dobi od 48. Iako je slu?beni uzrok smrti jo? nije objavila, ona je imala dugu povijest problema s drogom i bila je i iz rehab tijekom godina i to je vjerojatno da ?e substance abuse igra neku ulogu. Kao USA Today podsje?a nas

[2002] ona je intervju s Diane Sawyer za promicanje njezin nadolaze?i Just Whitney. Ona je priznala kori?tenje droga u vrlo gledao TV intervjuu, koji je uklju?ivao svoju neslavnu izjavu: "Crack je jeftin. Sam napraviti previ?e novca za sve pu?iti crack. Idemo da ravno. OK? Mi to ne u?inite crack. Ne u?initi. Crack je Wack. "...

U 2009 razgovoru s Oprah Winfrey za promicanje Gledam To You, ... Houston je priznao da je laced joj marihuanu s rock kokaina, a otkrila je da ona bi proveo neko vrijeme na rehabilitaciji i pro?la kroz intervenciju od svoje majke.

Evo pitanje za zagovornika rata droge: Da li zabranu - koji o?igledno ne vodi ilegalne droge iz ruku ljudi koji ih ?ele - jednostavno bi se da je puno te?e za ljude poput Houston priznati i tra?iti probleme svojih problema? Svatko zna da to nije jednostavna stvar za ovisnike ili problema korisnika bilo priznati da je potrebna pomo?. Da li kriminalizaciju pona?anje na vrhu sve drugo bi se da je mnogo te?e za takve ljude da tra?e pomo? koja im je potrebna?

Ovdje je jedan od Houston potpis pjesama:

[White Indian]

Popstjerne Whitney Houston er d?d i en alder af 48. Mens den officielle d?ds?rsag endnu ikke er blevet annonceret, at hun havde en lang historie af narkotikaproblemer og var ind og ud af rehab i ?renes l?b, og det er sandsynligt, at stofmisbrug spillet en vis rolle. Da USA Today minder os

[I 2002] gjorde hun et interview med Diane Sawyer p? at fremme hendes kommende Just Whitney. Hun indr?mmede bruger stoffer i stor set tv-interview, som omfattede hendes berygtede erkl?ring, "Crack er billigt. Jeg laver for mange penge til stadig ryge crack. Lad os f? det lige. OK? Vi g?r ikke crack. Vi g?r ikke g?re det. Crack er Wack. "...

I et 2009 interview med Oprah Winfrey til at fremme I Look To You, Houston ... tilstod, at hun blandet sin hash med rock kokain og afsl?rede, at hun havde brugt tid p? afv?nningsklinikken og havde gennemg?et en intervention af sin mor.

Her er et sp?rgsm?l til fortalerne for narkokrigen: Er forbud - som bevisligt ikke til at holde illegale stoffer ud af h?nderne p? mennesker, der ?nsker dem - bare g?re det s? meget sv?rere for folk som Houston til at indr?mme og s?ge problemer for deres problemer? Alle ved, at det er nogen nem ting for narkomaner eller problematiske brugere af noget for at indr?mme, at de har brug for hj?lp. Er kriminalisere adf?rd p? toppen af ??alt det andet g?r det s? meget sv?rere at for disse mennesker til at s?ge den hj?lp, de har brug for?

Her er en af Houstons signatur sange:

[White Indian]

Popster Whitney Houston is dood op de leeftijd van 48. Terwijl de offici?le doodsoorzaak is nog niet bekend gemaakt, had ze een lange geschiedenis van drugsproblemen en was in en uit revalidatie door de jaren heen en het is waarschijnlijk dat de verslavingszorg een rol gespeeld. Als USA Today herinnert ons eraan

[In 2002] ze deed een interview met Diane Sawyer van haar aanstaande te bevorderen Gewoon Whitney. Ze gaf het gebruik van drugs in de zeer bekeken tv-interview, dat haar beruchte verklaring opgenomen, "Crack is goedkoop. Ik maak te veel geld om ooit roken crack. Laten we dat meteen. OK? We hebben geen barst te doen. Dat doen we niet dat te doen. Crack wack is. "...

In een 2009 interview met Oprah Winfrey te bevorderen I Look To You, Houston ... bekend dat ze haar marihuana doorspekt met rock coca?ne en bleek dat ze had de tijd doorgebracht in rehab en had ondergaan een interventie door haar moeder.

Hier is een vraag voor voorstanders van de oorlog tegen drugs: Is verbod - die aantoonbaar niet aan illegale drugs te houden uit de handen van mensen die willen dat ze - gewoon maken dat veel moeilijker voor mensen zoals Houston om toe te geven en zoeken problemen voor hun problemen? Iedereen weet dat het geen gemakkelijke zaak voor verslaafden of probleem gebruikers van iets toegeven dat ze hulp nodig hebben. Heeft het criminaliseren van de gedragingen op de top van al het andere te maken dat veel moeilijker om voor deze mensen de hulp die ze nodig hebben te zoeken?

Hier is een van de handtekening van Houston's songs:

[White Indian]

Pop star Whitney Houston is dead at the age of 48. While the official cause of death has not yet Announced leg, she had a long history of drug problems and was in and out of rehab over the years and it's likely That substance abuse played some role. Axis USA Today reminds us

[In 2002] she did an interview with Diane Sawyer to Promote her upcoming Just Whitney. She Admitted Using drugs in the highly watched TV interview, All which included her infamous declaration, "Crack is cheap. I make too much money to ever smoke crack. Let's get that straight. OK? We do not do crack. We do not do that. Crack is wack. "...

In a 2009 interview with Oprah Winfrey to Promote I Look To You, Houston ... That She confessed her marijuana laced with cocaine and rock revealed That she'd spent time in rehab and had under gone an intervention by her mother.

Here's a question for proponents of the drug war: Does prohibitionism - which demonstrably fails to keep illegal drugs out of the hands of people who for them - That simply make it much harder for people like Houston to admit problems and seek for Their problems? Everyone knows That it's no easy thing for addicts or problem users or anything to admit They need help. Does criminalizing the behavior on top of everything else make it much harder to That Such People to seek for the help They need?

Here's one of Houston's signature songs:

[White Indian]

Popstaar Whitney Houston on surnud vanuses 48. Kuigi ametlikku surma p?hjus ei ole veel v?lja kuulutatud, ta oli pikk ajalugu narkoprobleemid ja oli ja sealt v??rutusravi aastate jooksul ja on t?en?oline, et aine kuritarvitamise m?ngis teatud rolli. Nagu USA Today tuletab meile meelde,

[In 2002] ta tegi intervjuu Diane Sawyer edendada oma tulemas Lihtsalt Whitney. Ta tunnistas, tarbivad uimasteid v?ga vaatasin TV intervjuu, mis sisaldas tema kurikuulus deklaratsioon "Crack on odav. Ma teen liiga palju raha, et kunagi suitsetada crack. L?hme et sirge. OK? Me ei tee crack. Me ei teha. Crack on wack ". ...

Aastal 2009 intervjuu Oprah Winfrey edendada ma vaatan, et Sa, Houston ... tunnistas, et ta ?mmeldud teda marihuaana rock kokaiini ja selgus, et ta tahaks kulutada aega v??rutusravi ja oli l?binud sekkumist ema.

Siin on k?simus pooldajad narkootikumide s?da: Kas keeld -, mis ilmselt ei suuda hoida ebaseaduslike uimastite k?est inimesi, kes tahavad neid - lihtsalt see, et palju raskem inimesed nagu Houston tunnistada ja otsida probleeme nende probleeme? Iga?ks teab, et see pole lihtne asi s?ltlased v?i probleem kasutajate midagi tunnistama, et nad vajavad abi. Kas kuritegelikuks k?itumine peal k?ike muud teha, et palju raskem on selliseid inimesi otsida abi, mida nad vajavad?

Siin on ?ks Houston allkiri laulud:

[Aaron Bonn]

"[Does the war on drugs] simply make it that much harder for people like Houston to admit and seek problems for their problems?"

I think you meant to say "[does the war on drugs] simply make it that much harder for people like Houston to admit their problems and seek help?"

Please correct this.

[White Indian]

Pop bituin Whitney Houston ay namatay sa edad na 48. Habang ang mga opisyal na dahilan ng kamatayan ay hindi pa inihayag, siya ay may isang mahabang kasaysayan ng mga problema sa droga at sa at sa labas ng rehab sa mga nakaraang taon at ito ay malamang na ang pang-aabuso ng sangkap nilalaro ilang papel. Tulad ng USA Ngayon reminds sa amin

[Noong 2002] siya mismo ang isang pakikipanayam sa Diane Sawyer upang itaguyod ang kanyang nalalapit na lamang Whitney. Siya admitido paggamit ng mga gamot sa mataas na pinapanood na TV ng interbyu, na kasama ang kanyang kasumpa-sumpa deklarasyon, "mamutok ay murang. Ako makagawa ng masyadong maraming pera sa kailanman naninigarilyo pahaginitin. Natin makakuha na tuwid. OK? Hindi namin gagawin pahaginitin. Namin hindi gawin na ang ang. magpahaginit ay wack. "...

Sa isang 2009 pakikipanayam sa Oprah Winfrey upang itaguyod Hanapin ko Upang mo, Houston ... confessed na siya ay-laced kanyang marihuwana sa bato kokaina at ipinahayag na gusto niya ginugol oras sa rehab at ay undergone isang interbensyon sa pamamagitan ng kanyang ina.

Narito ang isang tanong para sa mga proponents ng bawal na gamot ang digmaan: ba pagbabawal - na demonstrably nabigo upang panatilihin ang mga bawal na gamot ng mga kamay ng mga tao na gusto ang mga ito - lamang gawin itong mas mahirap para sa mga tao tulad ng Houston sa umamin at humingi ng mga problema para sa kanilang mga problema? Ang bawat tao'y alam na ito ay hindi madaling bagay para sa mga addicts o problema ng mga gumagamit ng anumang bagay na sa umamin kailangan nila ng tulong. Ay criminalizing ang pag-uugali sa tuktok ng lahat ng iba pa gumawa ng mga ito na magkano ang mas mahirap para sa mga tao upang humingi ng tulong na kailangan nila?

Narito ang isa ng mga awit ng Houston lagda:

[White Indian]

Pop-t?hti Whitney Houston on kuollut vuoden i?ss? 48. Vaikka virallinen kuolinsyy ei ole viel? ilmoitettu, h?nell? oli pitk? historia huumeongelmien ja oli ja ulos rehab vuosien mittaan ja on todenn?k?ist?, ett? p?ihteiden ollut jokin rooli. Koska USA Today muistuttaa meit?

[Vuonna 2002] h?n teki haastattelussa Diane Sawyer edist?? h?nen tulevan Vain Whitney. H?n my?nsi huumeiden k?yt?n eritt?in katseli tv-haastattelussa, jolle h?nen pahamaineinen ilmoitus, "Crack on halpa. Teen liikaa rahaa koskaan polttaa crack. Menn??n ett? suora. OK? Emme tee crack. Emme tehd? se. Crack on wack. "...

Vuoden 2009 haastattelussa Oprah Winfrey edist?? I Look To You, Houston ... tunnustanut, ett? h?nell? ter?stetty h?nen marijuanan rock kokaiinia ja paljasti, ett? h?n oli viett?nyt aikaa rehab ja oli tehty v?liintuloa ?itins?.

T?ss? on kysymys kannattajat huumesotaa: Onko kielto - joka todistettavasti ei pid? laittomien huumeiden k?sist? ihmisi?, jotka haluavat niit? - siis ainoastaan ??se, ett? paljon vaikeampaa ihmisi? kuin Houston tunnustaa ja etsi? ongelmia heid?n ongelmiinsa? Kaikki tiet?v?t, ett? se ei ole helppoa huumeriippuvaisten tai ongelmak?ytt?jien mit??n my?nt?m??n, he tarvitsevat apua. Onko kriminalisoida k?ytt?ytyminen kaiken muun tekee se, ett? paljon vaikeampaa t?llaisia ??ihmisi? hakemaan apua he tarvitsevat?

T?ss? on yksi Houston allekirjoitus kappaleet:

[White Indian]

Star de la pop Whitney Houston est mort ? l'?ge de 48 ans. Bien que la cause officielle du d?c?s n'a pas encore ?t? annonc?, elle a eu une longue histoire de probl?mes de drogue et a ?t? dans et hors de r?adaptation au fil des ans et il est probable que la toxicomanie a jou? un certain r?le. Comme aux Etats-Unis aujourd'hui nous rappelle

[En 2002], elle fait une interview avec Diane Sawyer pour promouvoir son prochain Just Whitney. Elle a admis avoir utilis? des drogues dans l'interview t?l?vis?e tr?s regard?, qui comprenait sa d?claration c?l?bre, "Crack n'est pas cher. Je fais trop d'argent ? jamais fumer du crack. Mettons-nous que droite. OK? Nous ne faisons pas de fissure. Nous ne faisons pas le faire. crack est wack. "...

Dans une interview 2009 avec Oprah Winfrey pour promouvoir I Look To You, Houston ... avoua qu'elle lac? son marijuana ? la coca?ne rock et r?v?l? qu'elle avait pass? du temps en cure de d?sintoxication et avait subi une intervention de sa m?re.

Voici une question pour les promoteurs de la guerre contre la drogue: Est-ce l'interdiction - qui ne se d?montrer ? garder les drogues illicites hors des mains de personnes qui le souhaitent - tout simplement le rendre beaucoup plus difficile pour des gens comme Houston d'admettre et de chercher des probl?mes ? leurs probl?mes? Tout le monde sait que ce n'est pas chose facile pour les toxicomanes ou les utilisateurs des probl?mes de quoi que ce soit ? admettre qu'ils ont besoin d'aide. T criminaliser le comportement au-dessus de tout le reste font que beaucoup plus difficile ? de telles personnes de demander l'aide dont ils ont besoin?

Voici une des chansons de la signature de Houston:

[White Indian]

Star de la pop Whitney Houston est mort ? l'?ge de 48 ans. Bien que la cause officielle du d?c?s n'a pas encore ?t? annonc?, elle a eu une longue histoire de probl?mes de drogue et a ?t? dans et hors de r?adaptation au fil des ans et il est probable que la toxicomanie a jou? un certain r?le. Comme aux Etats-Unis aujourd'hui nous rappelle

[En 2002], elle fait une interview avec Diane Sawyer pour promouvoir son prochain Just Whitney. Elle a admis avoir utilis? des drogues dans l'interview t?l?vis?e tr?s regard?, qui comprenait sa d?claration c?l?bre, "Crack n'est pas cher. Je fais trop d'argent ? jamais fumer du crack. Mettons-nous que droite. OK? Nous ne faisons pas de fissure. Nous ne faisons pas le faire. crack est wack. "...

Dans une interview 2009 avec Oprah Winfrey pour promouvoir I Look To You, Houston ... avoua qu'elle lac? son marijuana ? la coca?ne rock et r?v?l? qu'elle avait pass? du temps en cure de d?sintoxication et avait subi une intervention de sa m?re.

Voici une question pour les promoteurs de la guerre contre la drogue: Est-ce l'interdiction - qui ne se d?montrer ? garder les drogues illicites hors des mains de personnes qui le souhaitent - tout simplement le rendre beaucoup plus difficile pour des gens comme Houston d'admettre et de chercher des probl?mes ? leurs probl?mes? Tout le monde sait que ce n'est pas chose facile pour les toxicomanes ou les utilisateurs des probl?mes de quoi que ce soit ? admettre qu'ils ont besoin d'aide. T criminaliser le comportement au-dessus de tout le reste font que beaucoup plus difficile ? de telles personnes de demander l'aide dont ils ont besoin?

Voici une des chansons de la signature de Houston:

[Hugh Akston]

I feel bad for people with nothing better to do than troll H&R.

[Libertarian Troll]

Libertarians are the consummate political griefers. Can't tolerate a trade in kind?

[Hugh Akston]

I said I feel bad for you and I do. It sucks that the best thing you can come up with on a Sunday morning is trolling a blog.

[I feel bad for Hugh]

I mean, really. The best thing he can do is troll people about what they do on Sundays. Because he knows something better.

[Hugh Akston]

There are plenty of better things to do. Go see a movie, go to a museum, have lunch with a friend, read a book, write a book. All of the effort you put into trying to annoy people. Think of what you could do if you directed that toward improving yourself.

[I'm Hugh, and I'm here to help]

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

ya

[Hugh Akston]

I'm really not here to help. Like I said earlier, I just feel bad for you. You have my pity.

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[White Indian]

Popstar Whitney Houston ist im Alter von 48 Toten. W?hrend die offizielle Todesursache wurde noch nicht angek?ndigt, sie hatte eine lange Geschichte der Drogenprobleme und war in und aus der Reha im Laufe der Jahre und es ist wahrscheinlich, dass Drogenmissbrauch eine Rolle gespielt. Wie USA Today erinnert uns daran,

[2002] sie hat ein Interview mit Diane Sawyer zu ihrem kommenden f?rdern Just Whitney. Sie gab zu, den Gebrauch von Drogen in der stark beobachtete TV-Interview, das sie ber?hmt-ber?chtigten Erkl?rung aufgenommen, "Crack ist billig. Ich mache zu viel Geld, um ?berhaupt rauchen Crack. Lasst uns, dass gerade. OK? Wir machen das nicht knacken. Wir tun nicht tun. Riss wack ist. "...

In einem 2009 Interview mit Oprah Winfrey zu f?rdern ich zu dir schauen, Houston ... gestand, dass sie ihren Rock mit Marihuana Kokain geschn?rt und zeigte, dass sie w?rde Zeit in der Reha verbracht und erlebt hatte eine Intervention von ihrer Mutter.

Hier ist eine Frage f?r die Bef?rworter der Drogenkrieg: Hat Verbot - die nachweislich nicht illegale Drogen halten aus den H?nden von Menschen, die sie wollen - machen es einfach, die viel schwerer f?r Leute wie Houston zugeben und versuchen Probleme f?r ihre Probleme? Jeder wei?, dass es keine leichte Sache f?r Suchtkranke oder problematischem Konsum etwas zuzugeben, dass sie Hilfe ben?tigen ist. Ist das Verhalten kriminalisiert oben auf alles andere, dass es viel schwieriger, f?r solche Leute, die Hilfe suchen, die sie ben?tigen?

Hier ist eine von Houston Unterschrift des Songs:

[White Indian]

P?p etwal Whitney Houston se mouri a laj de 48. Pandan k?z ofisy?l la nan lanm? pa gen ank? te anonse, li te gen yon istwa depi lontan nan pwobl?m dw?g, li te nan ak soti nan reyabilitasyon sou ane yo epi li posib ke abi sibstans te jwe k?k w?l. K?m USA Today f? nou sonje

[Nan lane 2002] li te f? yon ent?vyou av?k Diane Sawyer ankouraje kap vini li Jis Whitney. Li adm?t l? l s?vi av?k dw?g nan ent?vyou nan televizyon tr? ap gade, ki gen ladan deklarasyon trist li, "krak se bon mache. Mwen f? tw?p lajan janm fimen krak. Ann jwenn ki dwat. OK? Nou pa f? krak. Nou pa f? sa f? sa. krak se wack. "...

Nan yon ent?vyou 2009 ak Oprah Winfrey ankouraje mwen konte sou ou, Houston ... konfese ke li lase marigwana l 'ak kokayin w?ch epi li devwale ke li ta pase tan nan reyabilitasyon ak te sibi yon ent?vansyon pa manman li.

Men yon kesyon pou d?fenseur nan lag? a dw?g: ?ske Pwoyibisyon - ki demontre echwe kenbe dw?g ilegal soti nan men yo a moun ki vle yo - senpleman f? li ki pi difisil pou moun tankou Houston adm?t epi ch?che pwobl?m pou pwobl?m yo? Tout moun konnen ke li genyen okenn bagay fasil pou dwog? oswa itilizat? pwobl?m nan anyen adm?t yo bezwen ?d. Kriminalize konp?tman an sou t?t Tout L?t Bagay f? li ki pi difisil pou moun sa yo yo chache ?d nan yo bezwen?

Men youn nan chan ki siyati Houston a:

[White Indian]

Popszt?r Whitney Houston halott ?vesen 48. M?g a hivatalos hal?lokot m?g nem jelentette be, ? m?r r?g?ta a k?b?t?szer-probl?m?k ?s a volt ki-?s rehabilit?ci?s az ?vek, ?s akkor val?sz?n?, hogy k?b?t?szer j?tszott n?mi szerepet. P?ld?ul az USA Today eml?keztet benn?nket

[2002] is tett egy interj?ban Diane Sawyer el?mozd?t?sa ?t k?zelg? Just Whitney. Bevallotta a drogokr?l a rendk?v?l n?zett telev?zi?s interj?ban, amely mag?ban foglalta ? h?rhedt nyilatkozat?t, "Crack olcs?. ?n t?l sok p?nzt, hogy valaha doh?nyozni crack. Menj?nk, hogy egyenes. OK? Nem v?gz?nk crack. Mi nem csin?lni. Crack l?gk?rt teremteni a t?bbi. "...

Egy interj?ban 2009 Oprah Winfrey t?mogat?sa I Look To You, Houston ... bevallotta, hogy ? neki marihu?n?t tark?tott rock kokaint, ?s kider?lt, hogy ? lenne id?t t?lt?tt elvon?k?r?n esett ?t, ?s a beavatkoz?s az anyja.

Itt egy k?rd?s t?mogat?i a k?b?t?szer-h?bor?: e tilalom - amely bizony?that?an nem tartja az illeg?lis drogok k?z?l a kez?ben, akik szeretn?k ?ket - egyszer?en csak teszik, hogy sokkal nehezebb az embereknek, mint Houston, ?s megpr?b?lja bevallani probl?m?kat a probl?m?ikat? Mindenki tudja, hogy ez nem k?nny? dolog, a szenved?lybetegek, illetve a probl?ma a felhaszn?l?k b?rmit is elismerte, hogy seg?ts?gre van sz?ks?g?k. Vajon kriminaliz?l?s?nak viselked?se fel?l mindent m?st tenni, hogy sokkal nehezebb az ilyen emberek keresik a sz?ks?ges seg?ts?get?

Itt van az egyik Houston al??r?sa dalok:

[White Indian]

Poppstjarna Whitney Houston er dau?ur ? aldrinum 48. ??tt opinber d?narors?k hefur ekki enn veri? tilkynnt, haf?i h?n ? s?r langa s?gu af vanda vegna v?muefnaneyslu, og var ? og ?t ?r rehab ? gegnum ?rin og ?a? er l?klegt a? notkun v?muefna l?k nokkur hlutverk. Eins og Bandar?kjunum ? dag minnir okkur

[?ri? 2002] h?n ger?i vi?tal vi? Diane Sawyer a? kynna komandi hennar Bara Whitney. H?n vi?urkenndi a? nota f?kniefni ? mj?g horf?i TV vi?tal, ?ar sem me?al fr?gi yfirl?singu hennar, "Crack er ?d?r. ?g gera of miki? f? a? alltaf reykja sprunga. Skulum f? a? beint. Lagi? Vi? gerum ekki sprunga. Vi? gerum ekki gera ?a?. Crack er Wack. "...

? 2009 vi?tali vi? Oprah Winfrey a? stu?la a? ?g l?ta til ??n, Houston ... j?ta?i a? h?n bl?nda marij?ana hennar me? k?ka?n rokk og kom ? lj?s a? h?n haf?i eytt t?ma ? rehab og haf?i gengist undir me? ?hlutun m??ur sinni.

H?r er spurning fyrir talsmenn ? eiturlyf str??: Er bann - sem sannanlega ekki a? halda ?l?gleg f?kniefni ?r h?ndum f?lks sem vill ?? - bara gera ?a? sem mun erfi?ara fyrir f?lk eins og Houston a? vi?urkenna og leita vandam?l fyrir vandam?lum ?eirra? Allir vita a? ?a? er ekki au?velt hlutur fyrir f?kla e?a vandam?l notendur neitt til a? vi?urkenna a? ?eir ?urfa hj?lp. Er criminalizing heg?un ofan ? allt anna? gera ?a? a? miklu erfi?ara a? fyrir sl?kt f?lk a? leita a?sto? sem ?eir ?urfa?

H?r er eitt af l?gunum undirskrift Houston er:

[White Indian]

Bintang pop Whitney Houston sudah mati pada usia 48. Sedangkan penyebab resmi kematian belum diumumkan, ia memiliki sejarah panjang masalah narkoba dan keluar masuk panti rehabilitasi selama bertahun-tahun dan kemungkinan bahwa penyalahgunaan zat memainkan peran yang sama. Seperti USA Today mengingatkan kita

[Dalam 2002] ia melakukan wawancara dengan Diane Sawyer untuk mempromosikan mendatangnya Hanya Whitney. Dia mengakui menggunakan obat dalam wawancara TV yang sangat diawasi, termasuk pernyataan terkenal, "adalah Crack murah cara untuk menghasilkan uang terlalu banyak untuk pernah merokok retak.. Mari kita yang lurus. OK Kita? Tidak melakukan crack. Kami tidak melakukan itu. Crack adalah Wack. "...

Dalam sebuah wawancara 2009 dengan Oprah Winfrey untuk mempromosikan saya Look Untuk Anda, Houston ... mengaku bahwa ia dicampur ganja dengan kokain rock dan mengungkapkan bahwa ia menghabiskan waktu di rehabilitasi dan telah menjalani intervensi oleh ibunya.

Berikut adalah pertanyaan untuk para pendukung perang narkoba: Apakah larangan - yang terbukti gagal untuk menjaga obat ilegal dari tangan orang yang ingin mereka - hanya membuatnya lebih sulit bagi orang seperti Houston mengakui dan mencari masalah untuk masalah mereka? Semua orang tahu bahwa itu bukan hal yang mudah bagi pecandu atau pengguna masalah apapun untuk mengakui mereka membutuhkan bantuan. Apakah kriminalisasi perilaku di atas segala sesuatu yang lain yang membuatnya lebih sulit untuk orang-orang seperti untuk mencari bantuan yang mereka butuhkan?

Berikut ini salah satu lagu tanda tangan Houston:

[White Indian]

Pop r?alta Whitney Houston marbh ag aois 48. C? nach bhfuil an ch?is oifigi?il an bh?is f?gartha go f?ill, bh? s? ina stair fhada fadhbanna druga? agus bh? s? isteach agus amach as Rehab thar na blianta agus t? s? d?ch?il go raibh m?-?s?id substaint? ?irithe r?l. Mar St?it Aontaithe Mheirice? i gcuimhne d?inn inniu

[I 2002] a rinne s? agallamh le Diane Sawyer a chur chun cinn ? ag teacht an?os Just a Whitney. Admhaigh s? ag baint ?s?ide as druga? san agallamh teilif?se an-faire, a n-?ir?tear a dhearbh? infamous, "Is ? Crack saor. D?anaim an iomarca airgid i bhfad chun deatach riamh crack. D?anaimis a fh?il go d?reach. OK? N? chuirimid dh?anamh crack. Linn a dh?anamh n? dh?anamh go bhfuil. Crack wack. "...

In agallamh 2009 le Oprah Winfrey a chur chun cinn m? F?ach Chun t?, Houston ... confessed go laced s? marijuana le c?ic?n carraig agus le fios gur mhaith ama a chaith s? i Rehab agus go raibh dul faoi idirghabh?il ag a m?thair.

Seo ceist do proponents an chogaidh druga?: An bhfuil toirmeasc - a mhainneoidh go soil?ir a choinne?il ar druga? m?dhleathacha as l?mha na daoine ar mian leo - ach ? a dh?anamh go bhfuil i bhfad n?os deacra do dhaoine cos?il Houston a admh?il agus a lorg fadhbanna le haghaidh a gcuid fadhbanna? Fhios ag gach duine go bhfuil s? aon rud ?asca d'and?iligh n? d'?s?ideoir? le fadhb na rud ar bith a ligean isteach g? siad cabhr? leat. An bhfuil an lochta ar an iompar ar bharr gach rud eile ? a dh?anamh n?os deacra i bhfad go dt? do dhaoine den s?rt sin a lorg cuidi? de dh?th orthu?

Seo ceann de na hamhr?in sh?ni? Houston n

[White Indian]

La pop star Whitney Houston ? morto all'et? di 48. Mentre la causa ufficiale della morte non ? ancora stato annunciato, ha avuto una lunga storia di problemi di droga ed ? stato dentro e fuori di riabilitazione nel corso degli anni ed ? probabile che l'abuso di sostanze giocato un qualche ruolo. Come ci ricorda USA Today

[Nel 2002] ha fatto un'intervista con Diane Sawyer per promuovere il suo prossimo solo Whitney. Ha ammesso di aver usato droghe in un'intervista televisiva molto guardato, che comprendeva la sua dichiarazione infame, "Crack ? a buon mercato. Faccio troppi soldi per fumare dovesse incrinarsi. Andiamo quella retta. OK? Noi non facciamo crack. Noi non farlo. Crack ? wack. "...

In una intervista del 2009 con Oprah Winfrey per promuovere I Look To You, Houston ... ha confessato che ha cucita la marijuana con la cocaina rock e ha rivelato che aveva trascorso del tempo in riabilitazione e aveva subito un intervento da sua madre.

Ecco una domanda per i sostenitori della guerra alla droga: La proibizione - che evidentemente non riesce a tenere droghe illegali dalle mani di persone che vogliono loro - semplicemente lo rendono molto pi? difficile per le persone come Houston di ammettere i problemi e cercare per i loro problemi? Tutti sanno che non ? cosa facile per i tossicodipendenti o consumatori problematici di tutto ci? ad ammettere hanno bisogno di aiuto. Non criminalizzare il comportamento al di sopra di ogni altra cosa che rende molto pi? difficile per queste persone a cercare l'aiuto di cui hanno bisogno?

Ecco una delle canzoni di Houston firma:

[White Indian]

Pop stella Whitney Houston est mortuus in aetate XLVIII. Dum eunuchorum causa mortis non tamen nuntiatum, illa diu historia medicamento quaestiones et in et de RECONCINNO super annis et suus verisimile substantia abusus lusit quidam munus. Ut USA Hodie admonet

[In MMII] fecit colloquium cum Diane Sawyer promovere eius ventura Iustus Whitney. Illa admitti usura medicinae in in altus observabant TV colloquium, continetur eius infamis declarationem, "Crack est vilis. Ego quoque pecunia ad semper fumant crack. Sit scriptor adepto recta. OK? Non facere crack. Nos non facere quod. Crack est wack. "...

In MMIX colloquium cum Oprah Winfrey promovere ego Ad tu, Houston ... confessus quod quamvis tetrico tristior eius marijuana cum petram COCAINUM et revelatum quod legit consumpta tempore in RECONCINNO et perpessa interveniente per matrem.

Hic quaestionem fautores venefici bellum: Vtrum prohibitio - quae demonstrantur deficit ut illegal medicinae de manus qui volunt - simpliciter facere quod multo durius enim sicut Houston admittere et quaerere problemata eorum quaestiones? Nescit suus non facili enim addicts vel problema users de aliquid admittere sunt opus auxilium. Nec alia facit ut supra habitum est criminalizing multo durius petere auxilium necessarium pro populo?

Hic de Houston scriptor signature carmina:

[White Indian]

Popzvaigzne Vitnija Hj?stona ir miris gadu vecum? 48. Bet ofici?lais n?ves c?lonis v?l nav pazi?ots, vi?ai bija gara v?sture narkotiku probl?mu un bija un no rehab gadu gait?, un tas ir iesp?jams, ka vielu lieto?ana ir bijusi zin?ma noz?me. , ASV ?odien mums atg?dina

[2002] vi?a bija intervija ar Diane Sawyer, lai veicin?tu vi?as gaid?mo Just Whitney. Vi?a atzina, ka izmantojis narkotikas ?oti noskat?jos telev?zijas intervij?, kur? ietilpa vi?as dra???gs deklar?ciju, "Plaisa ir l?ts es p?r?k daudz naudas, lai k?dreiz sm???t kreku.. Iesim ka taisni. OK? M?s nedar?m plaisa. Mums nav dar?t. Kreka ir Wack. "...

In 2009 intervij? Oprah Winfrey, lai veicin?tu I Look To You, Houston ... atzin?s, ka vi?a sav?tas savu marihu?nu ar akmens koka?na un atkl?ja, ka vi?a grib?tu pavad?ts laiks Rehab un bija veikta iejauk?anos vi?as m?ti.

?eit ir par aizst?vji no narkotiku kara jaut?jums: Vai aizliegums - kas uzskat?mi nesp?j tur?t narkotikas no cilv?kiem, kuri v?las vi?us rok?s - vienk?r?i izteikt to, ka daudz gr?t?k, lai cilv?ki k? Houston uz?emt un mekl?t probl?mas vi?u probl?mas? Visi zina, ka tas nav viegls lieta narkom?nu vai probl?m?m lietot?ju jebko uz?emt vi?iem ir vajadz?ga pal?dz?ba. Vai kriminaliz?cija uzved?bu virs? visam citam dar?t to, ka daudz gr?t?k, lai ?ie cilv?ki mekl?t pal?dz?bu, kas vajadz?ga?

L?k, viens no Hj?stonas parakstu dziesmas:

[White Indian]

Pop ?vaig?d? Whitney Houston yra mir?s 48 met?. Nors oficiali mirties prie?astis dar nebuvo paskelbta, ji tur?jo ilg? istorij? narkotik? problem? ir buvo i? reabilitacijos per metus ir tik?tina, kad piktnaud?iavimas narkotin?mis med?iagomis suvaidino tam tikr? vaidmen?. Kaip JAV ?iandien primena mums

[2002] ji padar? interviu su Diane Sawyer skatinti jos art?jan?ius Just Whitney ". Ji pripa?ino, vartoti narkotikus, labai ?i?r?jo televizori? interviu, kuris ap?m? jos li?dnai deklaracij? ", - Krekas yra pigus. A? per daug pinig?, kad kada nors r?kyti crack. Leiskite gauti, kad tiesiai. Gerai? Mes ne padaryti crack. Mes ne tai padaryti. Krekas yra ekscentri?kas. "...

Prisipa?ino, kad 2009 m. Interviu su Oprah Winfrey, skatinti I Look To You, Houston ... ji priri?ti savo marihuan? su roko kokaino ir atskleid?, kad jai reikia laiko reabilitacijos ir patyr? savo motinos ?siki?imas.

?tai narkotik? karo ?alinink? klausimas: Ar draudimas - kuri akivaizd?iai nesugeba i?laikyti nelegalius narkotikus i? ?moni?, kurie nori juos rankose - tiesiog padaryti tai, kad daug sunkiau ?mon?ms, pavyzd?iui, Houston ?sileisti ir ie?koti problem? savo problemas? Visi ?ino, kad tai n?ra paprastas dalykas, k? prisipa?inti, jiems reikia pagalbos narkomanams ar problema naudotoj?. Ar nusikaltimu elges? ant visko tai, kad daug sunkiau tokius ?mones ie?koti pagalbos jiems reikia?

?tai vienas Hiustono para?o dain?:

[White Indian]

Pop bintang Whitney Houston mati pada usia 48. Manakala sebab rasmi kematian masih belum diumumkan, beliau mempunyai sejarah yang panjang dalam masalah dadah dan di dalam dan di daripada pemulihan selama ini dan ia mungkin bahawa penyalahgunaan dadah memainkan peranan beberapa. Seperti USA Today mengingatkan kita

[Pada tahun 2002] dia melakukan wawancara dengan Diane Sawyer untuk menggalakkan akan datang. Hanya Whitney. Dia mengakui menggunakan dadah dalam wawancara TV yang sangat memerhatikan, yang termasuk pengisytiharan terkenal, "Crack murah. Saya membuat terlalu banyak wang untuk pernah merokok retak. Mari kita mendapatkan yang lurus. OK? Kami tidak melakukan retak. Kita tidak berbuat demikian. Crack yang wack. "...

Dalam satu temubual 2009 dengan Oprah Winfrey untuk menggalakkan saya Lihatlah Untuk Anda, Houston ... mengakui bahawa beliau dicampur ganja itu dengan kokain batu dan mendedahkan bahawa dia menghabiskan masa pemulihan dan telah menjalani campur tangan oleh ibunya.

Berikut adalah soalan untuk penyokong perang dadah: Adakah larangan - yang terbukti gagal untuk menyimpan dadah yang tidak dibenarkan keluar dari tangan orang yang mahu mereka hanya membuat yang jauh lebih sukar untuk orang seperti Houston untuk mengakui dan mencari masalah kepada masalah mereka? Semua orang tahu bahawa ada perkara yang mudah untuk penagih atau pengguna masalah apa-apa untuk mengakui bahawa mereka memerlukan bantuan. Adakah jenayah kelakuan di atas segala-galanya menjadikan ia jauh lebih sukar untuk orang seperti ini untuk mendapatkan bantuan yang mereka perlukan?

Berikut adalah salah satu lagu tandatangan Houston:

[White Indian]

Pop star Whitney Houston hija mejta fl-et? ta 48. Filwaqt li l-kaw?a uffi?jali tal-mewt g?adha ma ?ietx im?abbra, hija kellha storja twila ta 'problemi tad-droga u kien fi u barra mill rehab matul is-snin u huwa probabbli li abbu? minn sustanzi kellha xi rwol. Kif USA Today tfakkarna

[Fl-2002] hi g?amlet intervista ma 'Diane Sawyer biex tippromwovi li jmiss tag?ha Kemm Whitney. Hija ammettiet u?u tad-drogi fl-intervista TV ?afna jaraw, li inkluda dikjarazzjoni infami tag?ha, "jixxaqqaq huwa r?is. Nag?mel wisq flus biex qatt du??an xquq. Ejja nne??u din straight. OK? A?na ma tag?mel xquq. A?na ma tag?mel dan. jixxaqqaq hija wack. "...

Fl-intervista 2009 bil Oprah Winfrey biex jippromwovu I ?ares Biex Int, Houston ... confessato li hija mwa??lin marijuana tag?ha ma kokaina blat u wriet li hija d qattg?u ?mien fil rehab u kienu g?addew minn intervent minn ommha.

Hawn kwistjoni g?all proponenti tal-gwerra tad-droga: Ma projbizzjoni - li b'mod dimostrabbli tonqos milli ??omm id-drogi illegali mill-idejn ta 'nies li jixtiequ minnhom - sempli?iment jag?milha li ?afna aktar diffi?li g?all-persuni b?al Houston biex jammettu u jfittxu problemi g?all-problemi tag?hom? Kulhadd jaf li l-ebda ?a?a fa?li g?all-ivvizzjati jew utenti problema ta 'xejn li jammettu li je?tie?u l-g?ajnuna. Ma kriminalizzazzjoni-im?iba fuq qu??ata ta 'kull ?a?a o?ra li jag?milha aktar diffi?li li g?al dawn in-nies li jfittxu l-g?ajnuna li je?tie?u?

Hawn wa?da mill-kanzunetti firma Houston:

[White Indian]

Popstjernen Whitney Houston er d?d i en alder av 48. Mens den offisielle d?ds?rsaken er enn? ikke blitt annonsert, hadde hun en lang historie med rusmiddelproblemer og var inn og ut av rehab gjennom ?rene og det er sannsynlig at rusmisbruk spilte noen rolle. Som USA Today minner oss

[I 2002] hun gjorde et intervju med Diane Sawyer for ? promotere sin kommende Just Whitney. Hun innr?mmet ? bruke narkotika i sv?rt s? TV-intervju, som inkluderte hennes beryktede erkl?ring, "Crack er billig. Jeg gj?re for mye penger til stadig r?yker crack. La oss f? det rett. OK? Vi gj?r ikke crack. Vi gj?r ikke gj?re det. Crack er Wack. "...

I en 2009 intervju med Oprah Winfrey for ? fremme jeg ser Deg, Houston ... tilst?tt at hun iblandet hennes marihuana med stein kokain og avsl?rte at hun hadde tilbrakt tid i rehab og hadde gjennomg?tt en intervensjon av sin mor.

Her er et sp?rsm?l for tilhengere av krigen mot narkotika: Har forbudet - som beviselig ikke klarer ? holde ulovlige rusmidler ut av hendene p? folk som ?nsker dem - rett og slett gj?re det s? mye vanskeligere for folk som Houston til innr?mme og s?ke problemer for deres problemer? Alle vet at det er ingen enkel sak for narkomane eller problembrukere av alt ? innr?mme at de trenger hjelp. Gj?r kriminalisere oppf?rselen p? toppen av alt annet det mye vanskeligere ? for slike folk ? s?ke den hjelpen de trenger?

Her er en av Houston underskrift sanger:

[White Indian]

Gwiazd? pop Whitney Houston nie ?yje w wieku 48 lat. Cho? oficjalna przyczyna ?mierci nie zosta?a jeszcze og?oszone, mia?a d?ug? histori? problem?w narkotykowych i by?a i obecnie odwyku od lat i jest prawdopodobne, ?e nadu?ywanie substancji gra? jak?? rol?. Jak USA Today przypomina nam

[W 2002] zrobi?a wywiad z Diane Sawyer promowania jej nadej?cia Wystarczy Whitney. Przyzna?a, u?ywanie narkotyk?w w wysoko ogl?danego wywiadzie telewizyjnym, kt?ry zawiera? jej nies?awn? deklaracj?, "Crack jest tanie. Robi? zbyt du?o pieni?dzy, aby kiedykolwiek pali? crack. Chod?my, ?e prosto. OK? Nie robimy crack. Nie zrobi?. Spolszczenie jest wack. "...

W 2009 roku wywiadu z Oprah Winfrey promowania I Look To You, Houston ... wyzna?a, ?e ??splecione jej marihuany z kokain? rockowej i ujawni?, ?e bym sp?dzi?a czas w odwyku i przeszed? interwencja matki.

Oto pytanie dla zwolennik?w wojny z narkotykami: Czy zakaz - kt?re w spos?b oczywisty nie prowadzi narkotyk?w z r?k ludzi, kt?rzy chc? je - po prostu zr?b to, ?e o wiele trudniejsze dla ludzi takich jak Houston przyzna? i szuka? problem?w dla ich problem?w? Ka?dy wie, ?e to nie ?atwa rzecz os?b uzale?nionych lub u?ytkownik?w problemowych niczego przyzna?, ?e potrzebuj? pomocy. Czy kryminalizacji zachowa? na domiar wszystkiego zrobi? tak, ?e o wiele trudniej dla takich ludzi szuka? pomocy, kt?rej potrzebuj??

Oto jedna z piosenek Houston podpis:

[White Indian]

A pop star Whitney Houston ? morto com a idade de 48. Embora a causa oficial da morte ainda n?o foi anunciado, ela teve uma longa hist?ria de problemas com drogas e estava dentro e fora da reabilita??o ao longo dos anos e ? prov?vel que o abuso de subst?ncia desempenhado algum papel. Como nos lembra EUA Hoje

[Em 2002], ela fez uma entrevista com Diane Sawyer para promover seu pr?ximo Just Whitney. Ela admitiu o uso de drogas na entrevista de TV altamente vigiado, que incluiu a declara??o infame, "Crack ? barato. Eu ganhar dinheiro demais para fumar crack. Vamos que em linha reta. OK? N?s n?o fazemos crack. N?s n?o fazer isso. O crack ? uma bosta. "...

Em uma entrevista de 2009 com Oprah Winfrey para promover a I Look To You, Houston ... confessou que sua maconha misturada com coca?na rock e revelou que ela tinha passado um tempo numa cl?nica de reabilita??o e tivesse sofrido uma interven??o de sua m?e.

Aqui est? uma pergunta para os defensores da guerra contra as drogas: A proibi??o - que comprovadamente n?o consegue manter as drogas ilegais fora das m?os de pessoas que querem eles - simplesmente torna muito mais dif?cil para pessoas como Houston admitir e procurar problemas para os seus problemas? Todo mundo sabe que n?o ? coisa f?cil para viciados ou usu?rios problem?ticos de qualquer coisa para admitir que precisam de ajuda. Ser? que criminalizar o comportamento em cima de tudo o mais torna muito mais dif?cil para essas pessoas a procurar a ajuda que eles precisam?

Aqui est? uma das can??es de Houston da assinatura:

[Suthenboy]

I hate censors. I would never advocate banning anyone from posting anything they want to say here or on any other site....but this is beyond the bounds of reason. If someone is fucking up the board so badly that everyone leaves or quits posting then maybe it is time to get a ban-hammer and bring it down hard.

[Libertarians shit up their own]

...when they get solidly refuted, point by point.

It's like watching a child mess up the chess board when he's losing.

~The real white indian

[White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

yeah

[Sevo]

I don't like censors either, but protecting your property from vermin shit ain't censorship.

[Soviet Political Officer Sevo]

...is vermin shit.

[Teh Rael White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck.

[rather]

Suthenboy, then you are what you hate. No one is spoofed more than I but I wouldn't ban them but I would prefer their IP addresses be published when they hijack my name; a more speech riposte

[rather]

When someone hijacks your name, fart in a jar and save it for later use.

[White Indian]

Vedeta pop Whitney Houston este mort, la 48 de ani. ?n timp ce cauza oficiala a decesului nu a fost ?nc? anun?at, ea a avut o lung? istorie de probleme legate de droguri ?i a fost ?i ?n afar? de dezintoxicare a lungul anilor ?i este probabil c? abuzul de substan?e a jucat un rol. ?n ceea ce USA Today ne aminte?te

[?n 2002], ea a facut un interviu cu Diane Sawyer pentru a promova viitorul ei doar Whitney. Ea a recunoscut consumul de droguri ?ntr-un interviu extrem de vizionat TV, care a inclus declara?ia ei infam, "Crack este ieftin, eu fac bani prea mult de a fuma vreodata fisuri.. S? ne c? dreapt?. Noi nu OK? Fac crack. Noi nu face acest lucru. Crack este wack. "...

?ntr-un interviu 2009, cu Oprah Winfrey pentru a promova am Uit?-te la tine, Houston ... a m?rturisit c? ea impletite marijuana ei cu cocaina piatra ?i a ar?tat c? ea ar petrecut timp ?n reabilitare ?i a suferit o interven?ie de mama ei.

Iata o intrebare pentru sustinatorii de r?zboi de droguri: Are interdic?ie - ?n mod demonstrabil, care nu reu?e?te s? ?in? droguri ilegale din m?inile unor persoane care le doresc - pur ?i simplu face ca mult mai greu pentru oameni, cum ar fi Houston sa admita si sa caute probleme pentru problemele lor? Toat? lumea ?tie c? nu e lucru usor pentru dependen?ii de utilizatori sau de probleme de orice s? admit? au nevoie de ajutor. Nu incrimineaz? comportamentul pe partea de sus a tot ceea ce face ca mult mai greu sa pentru astfel de oameni s? caute ajutorul de care au nevoie?

Aici este una dintre melodiile lui Houston semn?tur?:

[White Indian]

Popov? hviezda Whitney Houston je m?tva vo veku 48 rokov. K?m ofici?lna pr??ina smrti nebola doteraz ozn?men?, mala dlh? hist?riu probl?mov s drogami a bol dovn?tra a von z rehabilit?cie v priebehu rokov a je pravdepodobn?, ?e zneu??vanie n?vykov?ch l?tok hral nejak? rolu. Ako USA Today pripom?na

[V roku 2002] robila rozhovor s Diane Sawyer na podporu svojej nadch?dzaj?cej Len Whitney. Priznala drogy vo ve?mi sledovanej telev?znej interview, ktor? zah??al jej nesl?vny vyhl?senie, "Crack je lacn?. Urob?m pr?li? ve?a pe?az? na st?le faj?i? crack. Po?me si, ?e rovn?. OK? Nechceme robi? crack. My nie urobi?. Crack je po?uk. "...

V roku 2009 rozhovore s Oprah Winfrey podporova? sa pozer?m na v?s, Houston ... priznala, ?e jej o?iven? marihuanu s rockovou koka?nu a uk?zal, ?e str?vila ?as v lie?ebni a podst?pil z?sah zo strany jej matky.

Tu je ot?zka pre z?stancovia drogovej vojny: M? z?kaz - ktor? preuk?zate?ne nevedie neleg?lne drogy z r?k ?ud?, ktor? sa chc? je - jednoducho, ?e je ove?a ?a??ie pre ?ud? ako Houstone prizna? a h?ada? probl?my ich probl?mov? Ka?d? vie, ?e to nie je jednoduch? vec pre drogovo z?visl?ch a probl?mov?ch u??vate?ov nie?o prizna?, ?e potrebuj? pomoc. M? kriminalizova? chovanie nad v?etko ostatn?, ?e je ove?a ?a??ie, aby t?chto ?ud?, aby h?adali pomoc, ktor? potrebujete?

Tu je jedna z piesn? podpisu Houston:

[White Indian]

Pop zvezda Whitney Houston je mrtev v starosti 48. Medtem ko je uradni vzrok smrti ?e ni bilo objavljeno, je imela dolgo zgodovino te?av z drogami in je bila v in iz rehab v preteklih letih in je verjetno, da snov, zloraba igral neko vlogo. Kot je ZDA danes nas spominja

[Leta 2002] je naredila intervju z Diane Sawyer, da spodbuja njen prihajajo?i Just Whitney. Je priznala uporabo drog v zelo gledal intervju TV, ki je zajela njen zloglasni izjavo, "Crack je poceni. Naredim preve? denarja, da bi kdaj dim razpoko. Pojdimo, da je naravnost. OK? Mi ne po?i. Ne to je to. Crack Wack. "...

V intervjuju leta 2009 z Oprah Winfrey za spodbujanje gledam To You, Houston ... priznal, da je ?ivajo svoje marihuane s kokainom rock in je pokazala, da bi se je nekaj ?asa pre?ivel v rehab in je opravil poseg z materjo.

Tukaj je vpra?anje za zagovornikov vojne na podro?ju drog: Ali prepoved - ki o?itno ne vodi prepovedanih drog iz rok ljudi, ki jih ?elijo - preprosto bi bilo, da je veliko te?je za ljudi, kot Houston priznati in i??ejo te?ave za njihove probleme? Vsakdo ve, da to ni lahka stvar za odvisnike ali problemati?nih uporabnikov kaj bodo priznali, da potrebujejo pomo?. Ali kriminalizaciji obna?anje na vrhu vse ostalo bi bilo, da je veliko te?je za te ljudi, da prosi za pomo?, ki jo potrebujejo?

Tukaj je ena od podpisa pesmi Houston je:

[White Indian]

La estrella del pop Whitney Houston ha muerto a la edad de 48. Aunque la causa oficial de muerte todav?a no se ha anunciado, que ten?a una larga historia de problemas de drogas y estuvo entrando y saliendo de rehabilitaci?n durante los a?os y es probable que el abuso de sustancias desempe?ado alg?n papel. Como EE.UU. Hoy en d?a nos recuerda

[En 2002] hizo una entrevista con Diane Sawyer para promocionar su pr?xima Just Whitney. Ella admiti? el uso de drogas en la entrevista televisiva de gran audiencia, los cuales incluyen su declaraci?n infame, "El crack es barato. Que ganan demasiado dinero para fumar se raje. Vamos a conseguir que la recta. ?De acuerdo? No se agrietan. No hacer eso. El crack es wack. "...

En una entrevista de 2009 con Oprah Winfrey para promover la I Look To You, Houston ... confes? que la marihuana mezclada con coca?na a su roca y revel? que ella hab?a pasado tiempo en rehabilitaci?n, y se hab?an sometido a una intervenci?n de su madre.

He aqu? una pregunta para los defensores de la guerra contra las drogas: ?La prohibici?n - que se pueda demostrar no para mantener las drogas ilegales fuera de las manos de personas que lo deseen - simplemente lo hacen mucho m?s dif?cil para las personas como Houston para admitir y tratar los problemas de sus problemas? Todo el mundo sabe que no es cosa f?cil para los adictos o consumidores problem?ticos de cualquier cosa que admitir que necesitan ayuda. ?Se tipifica como delito la conducta en la parte superior de todo lo dem?s que sea mucho m?s dif?cil para estas personas a buscar la ayuda que necesitan?

Aqu? est? una de las canciones de la firma de Houston:

[White Indian]

La estrella del pop Whitney Houston ha muerto a la edad de 48. Aunque la causa oficial de muerte todav?a no se ha anunciado, que ten?a una larga historia de problemas de drogas y estuvo entrando y saliendo de rehabilitaci?n durante los a?os y es probable que el abuso de sustancias desempe?ado alg?n papel. Como EE.UU. Hoy en d?a nos recuerda

[En 2002] hizo una entrevista con Diane Sawyer para promocionar su pr?xima Just Whitney. Ella admiti? el uso de drogas en la entrevista televisiva de gran audiencia, los cuales incluyen su declaraci?n infame, "El crack es barato. Que ganan demasiado dinero para fumar se raje. Vamos a conseguir que la recta. ?De acuerdo? No se agrietan. No hacer eso. El crack es wack. "...

En una entrevista de 2009 con Oprah Winfrey para promover la I Look To You, Houston ... confes? que la marihuana mezclada con coca?na a su roca y revel? que ella hab?a pasado tiempo en rehabilitaci?n, y se hab?an sometido a una intervenci?n de su madre.

He aqu? una pregunta para los defensores de la guerra contra las drogas: ?La prohibici?n - que se pueda demostrar no para mantener las drogas ilegales fuera de las manos de personas que lo deseen - simplemente lo hacen mucho m?s dif?cil para las personas como Houston para admitir y tratar los problemas de sus problemas? Todo el mundo sabe que no es cosa f?cil para los adictos o consumidores problem?ticos de cualquier cosa que admitir que necesitan ayuda. ?Se tipifica como delito la conducta en la parte superior de todo lo dem?s que sea mucho m?s dif?cil para estas personas a buscar la ayuda que necesitan?

Aqu? est? una de las canciones de la firma de Houston:

[White Indian]

Pop Whitney Houston amekufa akiwa na umri wa 48. Wakati sababu rasmi ya kifo bado alitangaza, yeye alikuwa na historia ya muda mrefu ya matatizo ya madawa ya kulevya na alikuwa ndani na nje ya Rehab zaidi ya miaka na ni uwezekano kwamba baadhi ya kulevya alicheza nafasi. Kama Marekani leo inatukumbusha

[Katika mwaka 2002] anafanya hivyo mahojiano na Diane Sawyer kukuza ujao yake tu Whitney. Alikiri kutumia madawa ya kulevya katika mahojiano sana kuangalia TV, ambayo ni pamoja na tamko lake Infamous, "Crack ni nafuu mimi kufanya fedha nyingi mno kwa milele moshi ufa.. Hebu kupata kwamba moja kwa moja. OK Sisi? Si kufanya ufa. Hatukupigi kufanya hivyo. Crack ni wack ". ...

Katika mahojiano 2009 na Oprah Winfrey kukuza I Look To You, Houston ... alikiri kuwa yeye laced bangi yake na cocaine mwamba na kudhihirisha kwamba yeye d kutumia muda katika Rehab na walikuwa wamekwisha kuingilia kati na mama yake.

Hapa ni swali kwa wapinzani wa vita madawa ya kulevya: Je, kukataza - ambayo demonstrably inashindwa kuweka dawa za kulevya nje ya mikono ya watu ambao wanataka yao - tu kufanya hivyo kuwa vigumu kwa watu kama Houston kukubali na kutafuta matatizo kwa ajili ya matatizo yao? Kila mtu anajua kwamba ni hakuna kitu rahisi kwa watumiaji wa madawa au watumiaji tatizo la kitu chochote kukubali wanahitaji msaada. Je, tabia ya jinai juu ya kila kitu kingine kufanya ni kuwa vigumu sana kwa ajili ya watu kama hao kutafuta msaada wanahitaji?

Hapa ni moja ya nyimbo Houston wa saini:

[White Indian]

Pop-stj?rnan Whitney Houston ?r d?d vid en ?lder av 48. Medan den officiella d?dsorsaken har ?nnu inte meddelat, hade hon en l?ng historia av drogproblem och var in och ut rehab under ?ren och det ?r troligt att missbruk spelat en viss roll. Som USA Today p?minner oss om

[?r 2002] hon gjorde en intervju med Diane Sawyer f?r att fr?mja hennes kommande Just Whitney. Hon erk?nde att anv?nda droger i den mycket s?g tv-intervju, som inkluderade hennes ?k?nda deklaration, "Crack ?r billigt. Jag g?r f?r mycket pengar f?r att n?gonsin r?ka crack. L?t oss f? det rakt. Okej? Vi g?r spricka. Vi vill inte g?ra det. Crack ?r Wack. "...

I en 2009 intervju med Oprah Winfrey f?r att fr?mja jag ser dig, Houston ... erk?nde att hon spetsad hennes marijuana med rock kokain och avsl?jade att hon hade tillbringat tid p? rehab och hade genomg?tt ett inl?gg fr?n sin mor.

H?r ?r en fr?ga f?r f?respr?kare av l?kemedlet kriget: Har f?rbudet - som bevisligen inte h?ller narkotika ur h?nderna p? m?nniskor som vill ha dem - helt enkelt g?ra det s? mycket sv?rare f?r m?nniskor som Houston att erk?nna och s?ka problem f?r sina problem? Alla vet att det ?r ingen l?tt sak f?r missbrukare eller anv?ndare problem p? n?got att erk?nna att de beh?ver hj?lp. G?r kriminalisera beteendet ovanp? allt annat det s? mycket sv?rare att f?r s?dana m?nniskor att s?ka den hj?lp de beh?ver?

H?r ?r en av Houstons signatur l?tar:

[White Indian]

Pop y?ld?z? Whitney Houston 48 ya??nda ?ld?. ?l?m nedeni hen?z resmi ilan edilmi? olsa da, o uyu?turucu sorunlar?n?n uzun bir ge?mi?i vard? ve d??ar? y?lda rehabilitasyon vard? ve madde k?t?ye kullan?m?, baz? rol oynam?? olmas? olas?d?r. USA Today gibi bize hat?rlat?yor

[2002 y?l?nda] o sadece Whitney ona yakla?an te?vik etmek Diane Sawyer ile bir r?portaj yapt?. O rezil beyan? dahil ?ok izlenen TV r?portajda, uyu?turucu kulland???n? itiraf, "Crack ucuzdur. Hi? ?atlak sigaraya ?ok para kazanmak. En d?z. Tamam m?? Biz ?atlak yapmay?n d?nelim. Yapm?yoruz . Crack wack oldu?unu yap?n. "...

Ben, To You Look Houston te?vik etmek ... Oprah Winfrey ile 2009 r?portajda kaya kokain ile onu esrar ba?c?kl? itiraf etti ve o rehabilitasyon ge?irdi ediyorum ve annesi taraf?ndan bir m?dahale ge?irmi? oldu?u anla??ld?.

??te uyu?turucuya kar?? sava? taraftarlar? i?in bir soru: yasa?? m? - kan?tlanabilir onlar? istedi?iniz ki?ilerin eline yasad??? ila?lar d???nda tutmak i?in ba?ar?s?z - ki sadece bunu yapmak onlar?n sorunlar?n?n giderilmesi itiraf ve aramaya Houston gibi insanlar i?in ?ok daha zor? Herkes ba??ml?lar? ya da yard?ma ihtiya? itiraf ?ey sorun kullan?c?lar? i?in hi? de kolay bir ?ey oldu?unu bilir. Her ?eyin ?st?ne davran??? su? sayan bu insanlar?n ihtiya? duyduklar? yard?m almak i?in bunu o kadar zor olur mu?

??te Houston imzas? ?ark?lar?ndan biri:

[White Indian]

Pop seren Whitney Houston yn farw yn 48 oed. Er nad yw achos y farwolaeth swyddogol eto wedi ei gyhoeddi, roedd ganddi hanes hir o broblemau cyffuriau ac roedd i mewn ac allan o adferiad dros y blynyddoedd ac mae'n debyg bod cam-drin sylweddau yn chwarae rhyw r?l. Fel UDA Heddiw yn ein hatgoffa

[Yn 2002] wnaeth cyfweliad gyda Diane Sawyer i hyrwyddo iddi ddod Just Whitney. Cyfaddefodd defnyddio cyffuriau yn y cyfweliad teledu gwylio iawn, a oedd yn cynnwys ei ddatganiad enwog, "Crac yn rhad. Byddaf yn gwneud gormod o arian i ysmygu erioed crac. Gadewch i ni gael y syth. Iawn? Nid ydym yn gwneud crac. Dydyn ni ddim gwneud hynny. crac yn wack. "...

Mewn cyfweliad 2009 gyda Oprah Winfrey i hyrwyddo wyf Edrychwch i Chi, Houston ... cyfaddef ei bod hi croesir ei marijuana ? choc?n graig a datgelodd y byddai hi'n treulio amser yn adfer ac wedi derbyn ymyriad gan ei mam.

Dyma gwestiwn ar gyfer pobl sydd o blaid y rhyfel cyffuriau: A yw'r gwaharddiad - sy'n amlwg yn methu ? chadw cyffuriau anghyfreithlon allan o ddwylo'r bobl sydd eisiau iddynt - yn syml, yn ei gwneud yn bod yn llawer anoddach i bobl fel Houston i dderbyn a cheisio problemau ar gyfer eu problemau? Mae pawb yn gwybod ei fod yn unrhyw beth hawdd i ddefnyddwyr sy'n gaeth i gyffuriau neu broblem o unrhyw beth i gyfaddef eu bod angen help. A yw'r ymddygiad troseddwyr ar ben popeth arall sy'n ei gwneud yn llawer anoddach i bobl o'r fath i ofyn am yr help sydd ei angen?

Dyma un o ganeuon llofnod Houston:

[Troy]

I nominate White Indian the cocksucker of the year.

[Tulpa]

Maybe if she starts minding her teeth.

[Some KOCKsucker stole...]

...White Indian's name. Nice how Libertards demonstrate their own regard of property rights.

[christfag]

demonstrate how the combination of two very common words with extensive prior art are your "property".

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=white+indian

About 74,100,000 results

[Intellectual Property]

Must it be Registered with the Government to be property?

[who said that?]

You claimed it was your property, and I asked you to demonstrate that.

You brought up government.

[TULPA]

You claimed it was your property

Where?

[no one mentioned govt.]

"Some KOCKsucker stole...|2.12.12 @ 1:18PM|#|show direct|ignore
...White Indian's name. Nice how Libertards demonstrate their own regard of property rights.

Please don't be mendacious and claim that wasn't you. Seriously.

[no one mentioned govt.]

And you=white indian, spoof tulpa.

[F is for Fake]

And Fake is for Libertards who won't even back up their own private intellectual property rights principles. So funny.

[you claimed ownership]

demonstrate you claim.

[I didn't claimed ownership]

Libertarians and capitalist claim "intellectual property" ownership. I'm just applying that to this situation and finding out how hypocritical you are.

[you claimed ownership]

"Some KOCKsucker stole...|2.12.12 @ 1:18PM|#|show direct|ignore
...White Indian's name. Nice how Libertards demonstrate their own regard of property rights.

Please don't be mendacious and claim that wasn't you. Seriously.

[U claim intellectual property]

...and now you won't defend it.

Funny how Libertarian "principles" are mere debate conveniences.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

"U claim intellectual property"

no u

"...and now you won't defend it"

no u 2

[URBAN HOMESTEADING?]

URBAN HOMESTEAD? is all over the internet too, yet it got Registered as intellectual property.

http://urbanhomestead.org/

Urban Homestead: About 907,000 results
Urban Homesteading: About 426,000 results

[you made a claim]

you said it was your property.

demonstrate that.

[F is for Fake]

Demonstrate where anybody but libertarians and capitalists claim a name is property.

[you claimed ownership]

demonstrate your claim.

[I didn't claimed ownership]

Libertarians and capitalist claim "intellectual property" ownership. I'm just applying that to this situation and finding out how hypocritical you are.

[you claimed ownership]

"Some KOCKsucker stole...|2.12.12 @ 1:18PM|#|show direct|ignore
...White Indian's name. Nice how Libertards demonstrate their own regard of property rights.

Please don't be mendacious and claim that wasn't you. Seriously.

[Teh Rael White Indian]

I'm a mendacious fuck. Seriously.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

yeah

[Mendacious Libertards]

Do you deny "White Indian" is a spoofer?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

huh?

[Tulpa]

Yeah, you totally have property rights to the name White Indian.

[TULPA]

Amazing how much libertarians need government to make them behave in a social manner.

[no one mentioned govt.]

except you, fake tulpa.

[F is for Fake]

[For a magazine called reason]

Ban white indian already. Or at least refund my donation to your webathon. You don't seem to be using it for anything.

[cw]

Drink?

[Dumbfuckistan]

Why wont people pay attention to me!!!

[Jason Godesky]

Oh, I will.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

Stop spoofing me.

[Tulpa]

TSA expands its "low-hassle" screening process for more airports:

The program works this way: Participating travelers will walk through a dedicated lane at airport security checkpoints. They will provide the TSA officer with a specially marked boarding pass. A machine will read the barcode, and travelers deemed "low-risk," will likely be allowed to keep on belts, shoes and jackets and leave laptops and liquids in bags when being screened.

Oh what luxury our government overlords afford to their citizens! Oh, wait, there's a catch:

Eligible travelers are some of those who participate in American and Delta airlines' frequent flier programs, as well as travelers in three other trusted traveler programs run by the Customs and Border Protection agency, which do charge fees to participate.

Ah. It's all about the money, plus giving airlines the right to bug you via their frequent flier program. No, BO isn't a crony capitalist at all.

And how come they can't do this program in EVERY airport? How hard is it to scan a barcode and not force people to disrobe?

[Aspac]

This thread turned into a pile of crap.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile]

Yeah.

[Teh Rael White Indian]

I'm a boring fuck.

[Mendacious Libertards]

Always have to lie and smear.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[Teh Rael White Indian]

I'm a projecting fuck.

[Troy]

BTW, in the name of J sub D, poly drug use, and very effective and quick hemmroidal pain relief medicine, ......eh, I got nuthin....

Living in a dry county sucks almost as much as being Whitney Houston. Getting a 1.5 liters of jagermeister was a fucking pain in the ass. So since there are people who have issues with me drinking on Sunday, I'm drinking twice as much. I've started with a 3 shots of jager chased with some Corona with lime, and gree tea, with lemon.

[Killazontherun]

Tony Bennett

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2012.....ertainment

Legendary singer Tony Bennett urged the U.S. government to legalize drugs at a tribute to singer Whitney Houston Saturday night.

Houston died suddenly on Saturday afternoon at age 48.

"First it was Michael Jackson, then Amy Winehouse, now, the magnificent Whitney Houston," he is quoted as saying in the Hollywood Reporter. "I'd like every person in this room to campaign to legalize drugs.

"Let's legalize drugs like they did in Amsterdam," said Bennett, who battled drug addiction in the late 70s. "No one's hiding or sneaking around corners to get it. They go to a doctor to get it."

Bennett went on to perform How Do You Keep the Music Playing in honour of the singer who fought a long, public fight with drug addiction.

[John]

Way to go Tony.

[cw]

This is probably the first (and last) time you write these exact words.

[John]

LOL Not all Tonys are created equal.

[cw]

At first I really thought you were complementing our resident statist - he must have written something way out of character for you to do that!

[White Indian]

I just come here to shit on your threads because I don't believe you have a right to free speech or thought. Of course you claim to have such. So whenever you demand registration to stop me shitting on your threads and destroying your board, I just call you hypocrites for not living by your own standards, which I of course don't have to live by since I never claimed to believe them

So suck it libertard bitches. I can ruin anything I like. And leave my mom and her basement out of it. I bet you people don't even have moms much less a nice basement to live in.

[The Pointer-Outer]

_You_ don't live by your own standards, White Indian... so why do you come here, again?

[White Indian]

That is my business cunt. The point is I don't live by yours and you have to.

[Where is]

your party cunt? I don't like the business cunt.

[The Pointer-Outer]

Thing is, you're accusing hypocrisy while engaging in it.

That, and you have nothing substantive to offer. But I digress.

[Almanian]

Well, I see Whyte Injun has ruined another thread.

Think I'll gambol over to the Twitterz and see if there's any intelligent life there, since Whyte Injum is like the black hole of intelligence, sucking it all out wherever it visits.

[Teh Rael White Indian]

I'm a...sssdrrrrggghhh...

*keels from a stroke*

[Libertards shit up own threads]

Petulant little shits that they are.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[Libertars shit up own threads]

And you cunts leave my mother out of this. Just because she runs an unlicensed massage business out of the spare bedroom to an all male clientele does not mean she is giving happy endings.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

sooo mad...

[The Pointer-Outer]

You have no room to talk.

[OWS VPS]

A couple of days ago I published a Diary called "They Teach Their Children to Hate"

While I am slowly getting used to living among the Evangelical Religious Right, they still manage to shock me. Today I got another lesson in why it is reasonable to not underestimate the power of the Cult.

In this case, the Cult is the Southern Baptist Convention.

What follows comes straight from the thoughts of a fairly typical teen.

As a Dad I am fiercely protective of my kids. I do not respond well when they are hurt, and especially when that pain is inflicted by another. Sure the intellectual side of me simply accepts that growing up is not a pain free business. Learning the boundaries of social behaviour is hard. We all went through it and in that experience lies the concerns of a parent. We want to protect them, but we know we can't, and actually, we shouldn't even try.

We have to let them experience some level of distress, and we try to ensure that happens in as controlled an environment as possible, and that we are there to pick them up when they stumble. As stumble they will, and they must.

My daughter's early forays into "affairs of the heart" are, apparently, causing her less distress than they are provoking in me. I hope that is a tribute to the way her Mom and I have always encouraged her to explore, to question, and to be her own person.

But there is more than a simple "boy meets girl, boy dumps girl" thing going on here. What is happening to this boy, so typical of so many in this town worries me. Mackenzie will be fine, but I wonder about the path being followed by many others.

What follows is the transcripts of two Facebook posts lifted directly from the pages of the boy concerned. My daughter showed them to Mrs Twigg, they were posted in full view to anyone who could access the page, which is pretty much everyone who has any contact with this boy's school, friends or Church. All the names have been either removed or disguised, this is for the content, not the identities.

One the one hand this boy is intelligent and thoughtful. I simply worry about what he is thinking. Read it, form a view, then please talk me down:

Listen guys, I've been in deep prayer with God lately. I've seen multiple signs from him and many people just talking about the subject of dating. My Youth Group even started a new study on Wednesday nights for it! I have done alot of research in God's Word, and I've realized having a girlfriend isn't the best for me, or anybody really.
1) It distracts you from God and into the world's ways.

2) God's plan isn't for me to be dating so young. If you want to see a big fraction of my logic here, check out 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. I hope everybody understands that I cherished my relationship with **, and it was hard for me to let her go. It wasn't done lightly. I questioned God multiple times, begging there had to be another way, but the answer stayed the same. I'm sorry if I've offended anybody with my desicion, but I have a sense of security in my heart that God has led me the right way
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For those of you wondering about my life atm (skip to the bottom for my view):

Optimist view: You got to stay at home today! It was a good day of rest, and to top it off you were well enough to be at the NJHS graduation! About your girl problems....there are other fish in the sea.

Pessimist view: You were sick, so make-up work over the weekend. Of course, you THOUGHT you could go to the NJHS graduation, but your face started turning bright red because of your fever right when you were walking up there. Plus, you lost your girl friend. Good job.

Literalist view: You missed a day of school. You lost your girlfriend. You suceeded in learning some new things today musicly though, plus you went to your NJHS ceremony. I'm nuetral.

Critic view: You didn't feel to bad, you should've convinced your mom to let you go to school! And what's up with dumping your girlfriend the week before Valentine's Day? Hmmm? Pretty ignorant I'd say. And what's up with this stupid post with all of these different views....

Aethiest View: You dumped your girl friend because of a God? Dumb.

Christian View: I'm praying for you man 🙂 You seem to have things under control with your sickness, and emotionaly your pretty strong. Congrats on your NJHS, and as long as you stick with God things will be just fine.

Strong Christian View: These guys don't know what they are talking about ^^ You know exactly what you're doing. God is really working in your life right now, and I know you're finding ways right now to evangilise with it. I also respect your desicion on letting your girl off, but lightly. God's plan for your life was NOT to have you dating at 13, and that pretty much goes for everybody reading this post!

MY VIEW: Listen guys, I've been in deep prayer with God lately. I've seen multiple signs from him and many people just talking about the subject of dating. My Youth Group even started a new study on Wednesday nights for it! I have done alot of research in God's Word, and I've realized having a girlfriend isn't the best for me, or anybody really.

1) It distracts you from God and into the world's ways.

2) God's plan isn't for me to be dating so young.

If you want to see a big fraction of my logic here, check out 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. I hope everybody understands that I cherished my relationship with **, and it was hard for me to let her go. It wasn't done lightly. I questioned God multiple times, begging there had to be another way, but the answer stayed the same. I'm sorry if I've offended anybody with my desicion, but I have a sense of security in my heart that God has led me the right way.

My own thoughts on this are far from clear. First thing that springs to mind is that maybe I should forward it to his English teacher, because the spelling and grammar could use a little work. This is swiftly followed by a growing dismay that a child would create any part of this then post it for everyone in his life to see and comment on. I didn't, comment that is.
Quite frankly I don't know what to say.

"Hey kid, love the introspection but next time pick someone else's daughter will ya".

"Son, you can talk to your imaginary friend until the cows come home, but do that to Mackenzie again and you will be talking to me".

"wtf"

"Young man. It is considered impolite to use girls to work out your relationship with your God".

See ... Lots of potential responses, all of them rubbish.

To anyone out there who is tempted to think that the way organised churches are helping their young people develop (sic) is in any way benign, I urge you to read that again and understand that it is but a small insight into what our children are facing every day. That is today, tomorrow, then next day and all the days after that until they are old enough to either reject it, or be buried under it.

Remember too that in this area, this boy could post that on his Facebook wall and be assured of a very positive reaction or, as in my case, no reaction because .... I feel for him and his entire circle and ...

I am quite lost for words.

It would be easy for me to be reading far too much into this, because I am a Dad, and she is my gorgeous daughter. I would wholly accept that suggestion were it not simply that this is but one example. There are many others.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

tl;dr

[cw]

tl;dr

Why do you post here, again?

[The Pointer-Outer]

Not everyone is a Southern Baptist.

[cw]

Do all Southern Baptists "teach their children to hate?" Besides, what in the hell does this have to do with Whitney Houston?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

tl;dr

[The Pointer-Outer]

Has nothing to do with it, cw. Haters gonna hate; they don't need logic or reason to back it up.

[rather]

Steve, raise your child in any way you wish, and let others do the same.

Hmm, drama is a thirteen year old's life is a constant companion for the purpose of their maturation, not yours; parental philosophy is feckless

[heller]

Watch this video until you understand it:

http://www.youtuberepeater.com.....HELL+CARES

[Inevitable]

This is like the worst chat room ever.

[imhotep]

In my opinion, the comments at Reason.com/blog are the best format on the internet - nested, all one page, no login or verification, no censorship.

[cw]

Exactly. Sure, there are abuses, but is it really worth squandering the freedom we have on this board to correct them?

[John]

I agree they are the best boards. The solution is for Reason to just delete the posts and ban the IP address. Registration would suck. No one should ever be banned for disagreeing. But that is different than posting the same inane shit over and over again no matter what the topic in hopes of making the threads unreadable.

[in that case...]

"posting the same inane shit over and over again no matter what the topic in hopes of making the threads unreadable."

bye john!

[John]

Whatever Godesky. Why don't you go get into shape so you can gambol. Do you realize how funny it is you are some Ben and Jerry eating whale claiming to want to live the life of the noble savage? What are saving up fat so you can hibernate in the winter?

[Fascinating!]

delete the posts and ban the IP address

Install a Thread Cop? How...libertarian? Deleted comments would result in people leaving in droves, driving down page views and creating an imbecile class of inbred lifers, making the same points over and over and over...

Wait, you have that now...

Never mind.

[John]

No. Actually I favor height and weight standards for commenters. That should solve the problem there tubo.

[Fascinating!]

Wow, it's like you can see right into my living room!

Anyway, if crackpots were banned, you'd have to be one of the first to go. I know the truth is painful, John, but look at yourself. You spend what...10 hours a day here, posting hundreds of comments, repeating the same drivel day in and day out...

You're the one who needs help. Please get it, before Nick reports on you drowning in a tub, and the other lifers ponder, in a public forum, whether the War on Crackpots killed John.

[John]

I guess the tubo comment must really hurt. Sorry your life turned out so badly. And you should be flattered I bother to lower myself to even recognize you. It is probably about the most important thing that will ever happen to you.

[John=Inbred, All Day commenter]

All fucking Sunday.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[The Pointer-Outer]

The downside, is, of course, nonsense from these fools calling themselves OWS VPS and White Indian.

[Ice Nine]

Bearable, considering the onerous, non-libertarian alternative IMO. It's pretty much a weekend - when staff isn't particularly looking - phenomenon, isn't it?

[John]

That is a good point Ice Nine. And I suppose a few Sunday threads is a small price to pay. And watching this is like watching a train wreck. You feel guilty but you can't help but look and laugh.

[MNG]

"And watching this is like watching a train wreck. You feel guilty but you can't help but look and laugh."

Pretty much everything you post John.

[John]

No he is spoofing MNG. Nice try Jason.

[John]

No he is spoofing MNG. Nice try Jason.

[Suthenboy]

It is to me.

[SooooooperGrieferrrrrrrrrr!]

FAPFAPFAPPITYFAP

LOOKITMEEEEEEEEEEETRALATRALA

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

calm down

[John]

I had never googled Jason Gordesky, who is apparently White Indian. What a fat tub of shit. It is a little hard to gambol and live the tribal life if you don't mix in a salad once in a while. No wonder this guy hates agriculture; due to his lack of impulse control, civilization has made him into a whale.

[cw]

Dude, there's this awesome blog post about this guy from a fellow enviro, one that is critical of how extreme he is. I can't find that exact one, but here's another from a fellow enviro that is also critical:

http://williamgillis.blogspot......g-his.html

[John]

It is odd he washed up here CW. You would think he would be stalking the enviro blogs for them being insufficiently pure. Most of these nuts are more concerned with purging the unbelievers on their side than they are with harassing the other side.

[cw]

What I don't get is, if civilization is going to collapse (which these primitivists believe is an absolute certainty), then why even bother debating people like us? Is he trying to save us?

Given that he thinks people with autism are psychopaths, I tend to think he's simply a misanthropic twit.

[John]

The people who honestly think civilization is going to collapse are living in the woods somewhere, don't have face book pages, and don't spent their time writing epistles to the Reasonites.

He is just a slightly unbalanced loser. I guess Reason should consider itself lucky to have had such open threads for so many years and never attracted the attention of one these nuts before.

[CIVILIZATION SYNDROME]

Visceral obesity: a "civilization syndrome"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16350574

Neuroendocrine disorders cause stress-related disease. "Civilization syndrome" is a growing health problem
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10089734

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[John]

That is right, you are a fat tub of shit because of civilization. Whatever gets you through the night there Jason.

[cw]

Fifteen Anti-Primitivist Theses

http://williamgillis.blogspot......ses-1.html

[Thirty Theses]

The Thirty Theses
http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/

5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They're Wrong
http://www.rewild.info/anthrop.....yre-wrong/

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[Teh Rael White Indian]

If I post my drivel in bold and all-caps, people will start to believe me!

[rather]

You accused me of being White Indian and spread that tale many times; how is anyone to take your claim of who WI is now; you admit to not even googling him?

Your word is shit, John

[John]

I don't know who you are rather. And I really don't care.

[rather]

John, don't make me google how many times you did so, and everyone know it.

So let me amend: your word is shit and you are a semantic liar

[rather]

John|12.2.11 @ 3:18PM|#

So it really isn't "Rather"? Wow. I guess we owe her an apology.

What a fucking toad.

[rather]

Don't fuck toads, fart in jars.

[John]

How do I know you are not just WI posting under your name? I don't know and I don't care. And I am not the one who started that. Take it up with them.

[rather]

White Indian|11.29.11 @ 12:13PM|#

HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS

reply to this

John|11.29.11 @ 12:14PM|#

Rather, can't you just take your meds once in a while? The doctors really are trying to help you.

reply to this

John|11.29.11 @ 12:23PM|#

Those posts only happen on thread where you appear.

---------------------------------

John|2.12.12 @ 2:58PM|#

I don't know who you are rather. And I really don't care.M

[John]

Maybe it is not you Rather. I don't know. If it is not you, then don't worry about it.

[rather]

John, out of frustration, your wife must beat you once a week

[ratehr]

Out of frustration, farting in jars with loose fitting lids results in the loss of the CH4.

[X]

one fat tub of goo is pretty much like another

[rather]

Shit is shit and farts are farts.

[Mr. FIFY]

"It is a little hard to gambol and live the tribal life if you don't toss a salad once in a while"

There. Much closer to WI's lifestyle.

[Stu Price]

*in response to this thread*

What the FUCK is going on?!!!!!

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

yeah

[OWS VPS]

The Catholic Church is waging a War on Women.

[John]

Jason Gordesky is waging war on cheese burgers.

[OWS VPS]

I'm not White Indian.

But it does seem the Catholic Church is waging a war on women's health. That is, when they're not buggering little boys.

[John]

Sorry, it is hard to keep track of the retards without a program. And if women don't like the Catholic Church, they can not join. People have been doing it for centuries.

[Burned at the Stake]

Yeah, if you don't join...

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

[John]

I have spent my entire life as a non catholic. As a matter of fact so has my entire immediate family. Odd none of them have ever been burned at the stake. I guess the papists haven't gotten around to it yet.

[OWS VPS]

It's because we have the First Amendment.

In Africa you would be forcibly baptized by now.

[John]

And in Saudi Arabia, bibles are banned and you can be put to death for blasphemy. Your point is?

[cw]

Wow, you are a mendacious one, OWS VPS.

[cw]

Yep. Because only the bad things perpetrated by the Church wholly represent everyone who belongs to it.
Yawn.

[rather]

don't mention Oklahomans to OWS VPS...OTOH, I do know an Oakie POS ...

[Francisco d Anconia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4

[Mr. FIFY]

Like your Team gives a shit about the First Amendment, Occutard.

[OWS VPS]

Yeah, they can choose not to join.

Like the Cathars, right?

[John]

Because every year is 1275. Like I said, it is hard to keep the retards straight without a program.

[The Pope Song]

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the motherfucker
Fuck the motherfucker, he's a fucking motherfucker

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the fucking fucker
Fuck the motherfucker, he's a total fucking fucker

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the motherfucker
Fuck the motherfucker, fucking fuck the motherfucker

Fuck the motherfucker, fuck the motherfucking pope

Fuck the motherfucker, and fuck you motherfucker
If you think that motherfucker is sacred (fucking motherfucker)
If you cover for another motherfucker who's a kiddie fucker
Fuck you you're no better then the mother fucking rapist
And if you don't like this swearing that this motherfucker forced from me
And reckon it shows moral or intellectual paucity
Then fuck you motherfucker, this is language one employs
When one is fucking cross about fuckers fucking boys

I don't give a fuck if calling the pope a motherfucker
Means you unthinkingly brand me an unthinking apostate, and
This has naught to do with other fucking godly motherfuckers
I'm not interested right now in fucking scriptural debate
There are other fucking songs and there are other fucking ways
I'll be a religious apologist on other fucking days
And the fact remains that if you protect a single kiddie fucker
Then pope or prince or plumber you're a fucking motherfucker

You see I don't give a fuck what any other motherfucker
Believes about Jesus and his motherfucking mother
I've no problem with the spiritual beliefs of all these fuckers
While those beliefs don't impact on the happiness of others
But if you build your church on claims of fucking moral authority
And with threats of hell impose it on others in society
Then you, you motherfuckers, can expect some fucking wrath
When it turn out you've been fucking us in our motherfucking asses

So fuck the motherfucker and fuck you motherfucker
If you're still a motherfucking papist (fucking motherfucker)
If you covered for a single motherfucker who's a kiddie fucker,
Fuck the motherfucker he's as evil as the rapist
And if you look into your motherfucking heart and tell me true
If this motherfucking stupid fucking song offended you
With its filthy fucking language and its fucking disrespect
If it made you feel angry go ahead and write a letter

But if you find me more offensive than the fucking possibility
The pope protected priests when they were getting fucking fiddly
Then listen to me motherfucker, this here is a fact
You are just as morally misguided as that motherfucking
Power-hungry, self-aggrandised bigot in the stupid fucking hat

Fuck the motherfucker, Fuck the motherfucker
Fuck the motherfucker, he's a fucking motherfucker

Fuck the motherfucker, ...

[Teh Rael White Indian]

I'm the real bigot here.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

tl;dr

[cw]

A war on women, huh? So women wear condemns, too?

[John]

ason was born in Pittsburgh in 1982, and lived for a time in Newport News, Virginia. Soon after returning to Pittsburgh, Jason became a devout Catholic. He attended a mix of public and Catholic schools from kindergarten through high school, finally entering the University of Pittsburgh in 1999 and graduating in 2003 with a Bachelor of Science in Anthropology and Computer Science. While at the University of Pittsburgh, Jason became the founding member of Tribal Dawn, which he later left to found another occupational tribe, "Anthropik Media." Anthropik Media never succeeded the way Jason had originally intended, but it did morph into the current Tribe of Anthropik.

http://appalachian.pbworks.com.....2547/Jason Godesky

LOLOLOLOLOL

You can't make this shit up.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

ya

[Fascinating!]

[Playa Manhattan]

http://www.facebook.com/giulianna.lamanna
Ugly wife, too

[Bum on a Bench]

Whitney Houston died for your sins.

Also, The Government!

[juris imprudent]

So there is a certain irony in a drug war thread being dominated by the mentally ill.

[Libertard=AUTISTIC Psychopath]

Libertarians are the ONLY group that scored higher on systemizing than on empathizing?and they scored a lot higher. The authors go on to suggest that systemizing is "characteristic of the male brain, with very extreme scores indicating AUTISM."

The Science of Libertarian Morality
A new social psychology study explores the moral formation of the libertarian personality.
http://reason.com/archives/201.....ibertarian

[cw]

Wow, so if you have some form of autism, like I do (Asperger's, on the lower end of the autism-spectrum disorder chart), you're a psychopath?

You really are a bigot.

[Autistic =/= Psychopathic]

But being a selfish capitalist prick is.

ATLAS SHRIEKED: Ayn Rand's First Love and Mentor Was A Sadistic Serial Killer Who Dismembered Little Girls
http://exiledonline.com/atlas-.....nds-heart/

P.S. Remember, Reason Magazine is part of the "ATLAS Economic Research Foundation" network. So don't try to deny the link to Rand, dipshit.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[cw]

Being a selfish anything prick is, well, bad.

And so what if they link to Ayn Rand?

I recall reading about Jason Godesky hoping a dam would break and drown the inhabitants around it, so the earth could wreck vengeance or some shit.

[Cite, cw?]

Just to see how accurate that "memory" is.

[Jason Godesky is a Pedophile?]

you don't know how to use google?

[cw]

I've been looking for it, but I can't find it now. Believe what you want.

[cw]

Being a selfish anything prick is, well, bad.

And so what if they link to Ayn Rand?

I recall reading about Jason Godesky hoping a dam would break and drown the inhabitants around it, so the earth could wreck vengeance or some shit.

[cw]

Goddammit, those purple, exploding squirrels got me.

[Cite, cw?]

Just to see how accurate that "memory" is.

[Jason Godesky is a Pedophile?]

you don't know how to use google?

[Mr. FIFY]

If you wrote it... why are you so keen on exposing your true beliefs, Jason?

[cw]

Being a selfish anything prick is, well, bad.

And so what if they link to Ayn Rand?

I recall reading about Jason Godesky hoping a dam would break and drown the inhabitants around it, so the earth could wreck vengeance or some shit.

[cw]

Being a selfish anything prick is, well, bad.

And so what if they link to Ayn Rand?

I recall reading about Jason Godesky hoping a dam would break and drown the inhabitants around it, so the earth could wreck vengeance or some shit.

[cw]

Being a selfish anything prick is, well, bad.

And so what if they link to Ayn Rand?

I recall reading about Jason Godesky hoping a dam would break and drown the inhabitants around it, so the earth could wreck vengeance or some shit.

[The Catholic Bishops]

We either engaged in kiddy diddling or covered it up for decades, but listen to us because we're moral exemplars!

This is for you ,John:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ1Y1I5JVVM

[John]

So have the teachers. And the football coaches and God knows who else. If only the Priests had formed a public sector union, things would be okay for them.

[Teh Rael White Indian]

But, but, but, it's ok when WE do it!

[The Pope Song]

Teachers and football coaches don't pretend to speak for God, and haven't covered it up to the extent they did.

The Catholic Church is an international pedophile criminal conspiracy with a good art collection.

People from the Penn State scandal are going to go to jail. How many Catholic Bishops have been sent to jail for covering up similar crimes? Why does the Pope get to hide behind his bullshit diplomatic immunity like the little coward in a dress he is?

I'd like to burn the whole motherfucking Vatican to the ground, after selling off all of its art and using the proceeds to pay the poor.

[John]

Good for you. Not being a Catholic, I don't really give a shit. And lots of priests have gone to jail. And numerous school districts universities have covered up for pedophiles to save their own asses.

Gee, people are weak and sinful. Wow that is real news.

[Tah Rael White Indian]

MUST SMASH CATHOLICS!!!

[Teh Rael White Indian]

WAR ON WOMYNS!!!! RELIGIONS IS TEH GREAT EVILS!!!

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

mmmmmm kiddy diddling

[Suthenboy]

Rather -

Spoofing is no reason to ban someone, I agree. Neither is saying stupid shit, of which there is plenty around here, and everyone is guilty of that to different degrees.
However when Jason makes the board unreadable he is essentially censoring all of the rest of us.
Having an open door policy at your house is doesnt work if someone is going to come in and burn it down.

I am smacking my head on the table, cant believe I am making this argument.

[John]

He seems to have multiple personalities. The occutard hates Catholics. But WI claims to be a devout one.

[Libertards make it unreadable]

And are doing any "censoring," as Suthnprick puts it.

[Tah Rael White Indian]

I make little sense.

[John]

You are sadly desperate for attention. Did the greens finally ban you? I am thinking the lefty greens really didn't give a shit about your claims of persecution and kicked you out on your ass. Leaving you to crawl through our door.

[Buffy Fakename]

You are sadly desperate for attention

Ha ha ha!
Obsessed much, John?

[rather]

Spoofing is such a subjective thing. Maybe if you could nail it down more.

[Tulpa]

Spoofing is no reason to ban someone, I agree.

Bull. Spoofing (ie posting under the exact same name as an established commenter) should be grounds for immediate ban.

Making fun of another commenter by commenting with a similar name is another matter; that's perfectly good wholesome fucking family entertainment. It's the posting under the same name that should be punished manfully.

[rather be farting in a jar]

Good point Tulpa.

[Tulpa]

What I meant to say was
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[rather be farting in a jar]

Tulpa,

"WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

Is that during the fart in the jar?

[Suthenboy]

I have been wondering....exactly why does jason have such a hard-on for private property?

Then I remembered something that happened when I was in college. A girlfriend called me at 3am and asked me to get some guy out of her house. Turns out the guy was invited for dinner by her roommate. He had a crush on her, so after dinner he stuck around. And stuck around. And stuck around. He wouldnt leave. When I showed up I told him it was time to go home the girls needed sleep. His response? " I dont want to go home".

Typical of the mentally ill, everything was about him. I called the cops and they came and had to carry the guy out. He even pulled the door frame loose as he went out the door carried feet first.

I wonder how many times good ole jason has been asked to leave someones private property?

[John]

Usually these kinds of people form their own little spheres on the blogshpere and are generally harmless. I am not quite sure what set him off and sent him here. Perhaps it is the easy access. I would imagine most of the green blogs have long since banned him.

[SuthnPrick did his Mom anal]

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[heller]

That's easy, the fat fuck doesn't get invited to dinner.

[heller no fuckie, jealous]

[OWS VPS]

This isn't good:

A few years ago, hog farmers throughout the Midwest noticed foam building on top of their manure pits. Soon after, barns began exploding, killing thousands of hogs while farmers lost millions of dollars.

And you thought Santorum was gross.

But seriously, what gives? First, it helps to have an idea of how manure is handled at industrial hog facilities. In his classic 2005 Rolling Stone expos? of the industrial pork giant Smithfield, Jeff Tietz provided a vivid description:

The floors are slatted to allow excrement to fall into a catchment pit under the pens, but many things besides excrement can wind up in the pits: afterbirths, piglets accidentally crushed by their mothers, old batteries, broken bottles of insecticide, antibiotic syringes, stillborn pigs?anything small enough to fit through the foot-wide pipes that drain the pits. The pipes remain closed until enough sewage accumulates in the pits to create good expulsion pressure; then the pipes are opened and everything bursts out into a large holding pond.

The manure itself is pretty nasty, too. Pigs on factory farms are given daily doses of antibiotics and growth-promoting additives like ractopamine, much of which ends up in their waste. So what you get in those cesspools, the ones now exploding in the Midwest, is kind of a stew of bacteria, antibacterial agents, and novel antibiotic-resistant bacteria strains, all mixed with the random detritus described by Tietz.

Flammable feces foam that can cause entire hog houses to explode. It's really hard to see any problems with our system of factory farming?..

And while not on the level of modified pig manure, when squirrels are turning purple", it's unlikely humans aren't at fault.

Scientists don't know how a squirrel could turn purple. While I have no doubt our lovely environmental skeptics will come up with some kind of dissembling quasi-explanation, you'd have to go a long way to convince me humans aren't somehow responsible for this.

[John]

Well then stop eating so much pork. You don't look like you have missed too many meals. If you don't like industrial agriculture, stop supporting it.

[OWS VPS]

I'm a vegan.

[John]

LOL Doubtful No one can eat that many french fries.

[OWS VPS]

I'm not White Indian.

[Res Publica Americana]

Yeah, you don't sound like him. No offense, buddy, but who the fuck gives a shit about squirrels going purple and explosive turds?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

vegans apparently

[Mr. FIFY]

Probably not, but you ARE an irritating socialist cocksucker, OWS... so, really, what you do in your private life doesn't offset that fact.

[Suthenboy]

To sum that article up;

Pig shit is gross.

Where would we be without rolling stone?

[White Indian=/=Jason Godesky]

Here's the real White Indian:

The White Indians of Colonial America
Author(s): James Axtell
Source: The William and Mary Quarterly, Third Series, Vol. 32, No. 1 (Jan., 1975), pp. 55-88
Published by: Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture
http://www.shsu.edu/~jll004/colonial_.....ndians.pdf

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[Res Publica Americana]

Closer to a constitutional republic of liberty by law?

[Sevo]

"It's really hard to see any problems with our system of factory farming?.."

Yep, darn thing keeps feeding millions. Gotta stop that.

[Res Publica Americana]

Shut the fuck up, libertard! Your sarcastic point might illustrate a valid point and put retarded leftist policies to utter shame, and we can't have that!!!!!!!!

[And starving billions]

Gotta deny capitalism has anything to do with that.

It's only "Economic Hitmen" when da gummit does it.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[cw]

Yeah. African governments tend to starve, persecute, slaughter, and commit genocide on their own people. And what was your point, again?

[Res Publica Americana]

I don't remember this walking turd ever having a valid point. Don't expect him to start having one now.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

yah

[African govt = "our SOB"]

That's the way capitalistic "economic hitmen" work.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[cw]

Ever think they work together in their evil acts? Yeah, private persons murder, lie, cheat, and steal just like public persons. And libertarians condemn those who do those things, whether they're government people.

[Gov't is the "cut out man..."]

...for capitalist aggression.

[Tulpa]

Factory farming isn't what allows us to feed millions; pesticides, GMF, and fast distribution networks do.

I don't mean to get all White Indian on you, but meat really is a luxury, particularly considering all the cropland that is wasted to grow animal feed rather than crops for human consumption. All the hog farms and cattle lots could vanish overnight and not a single person would die because of it.

[John]

True. But they just wouldn't be able to have meat. And last I looked they should be able to eat whatever the hell they can afford.

[Tulpa]

If people knew what goes on at feedlots, they wouldn't want to eat beef. Ditto with pork and chicken from factory farms.

[I worked in a feedlot]

And just had a steak.

Speak for yourself, or better yet, shut the fuck up.

As an aside, I even started with the worst job in the joint. I still eat beef.

[Tulpa]

I wasn't accounting for borderline psychopaths who change their names every comment.

[I worked in a feedlot]

"I wasn't accounting for borderline psychopaths who change their names every comment."

No, you're just a bloviating asshole who paints with broad strokes because specifics and inconsistencies befuddle you.

Fuck off and eat a corn cob slaver.

[John]

Maybe. I know what goes on and I still eat meat. My guess is their revulsion would last until the next trip to Five Guys.

[Sevo]

Tulpa|2.12.12 @ 3:28PM|#
"If people knew what goes on at feedlots, they wouldn't want to eat beef. Ditto with pork and chicken from factory farms."

So we can presume all the people who work there don't eat beef?

[Soil Mining = Deficit Spending]

It's fun, while it lasts. Then you starve. Famine has been the constant refrain of agriculture, and will be again.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[Sevo]

"Famine has been the constant refrain of agriculture, and will be again."

So when is the rapture?

[Famine is historical fact.]

Never read Collapse or Overshoot, have you? Can you read, sevo?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[Sevo]

"Never read Collapse or Overshoot, have you?"
So because another wacko agrees with you, what?
Again, when's the rapture?

[Sevo]

"I don't mean to get all White Indian on you, but meat really is a luxury, particularly considering all the cropland that is *WASTED* to grow animal feed rather than crops for human consumption."

If it's used to grow what I want to eat, I have a hard time seeing that as "waste".

[Starving people are shit]

Soviet Political Officer SEVO told me so.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[Tulpa]

That would be a good point had you not just been trumpeting how factory farming allows us to feed millions.

Stick to one supposed benefit at a time. Your enjoyment of a mouth full of fat and blood != ending starvation.

[Shut the fuck up]

"Your enjoyment of a mouth full of fat and blood != ending starvation."

And using a field for feeding cattle != waste.

Fuck off now.

[Sevo]

"That would be a good point had you not just been trumpeting how factory farming allows us to feed millions."
As indeed it does.

"Stick to one supposed benefit at a time. Your enjoyment of a mouth full of fat and blood != ending starvation."
You might take your won advice; I never claimed it 'ended starvation'. What I did say is that using land to grow food I like isn't 'wasting' the land.

[Suthenboy]

not a single one? How about the fuckers who took my t-bones away? I am betting fifty bucks they would.

[heller]

All the hog farms and cattle lots could vanish overnight and not a single person would die because of it.

Technically that's not true. If billions of calories suddenly went missing, someone would starve.

[Tulpa]

The manure itself is pretty nasty, too. Pigs on factory farms are given daily doses of antibiotics and growth-promoting additives like ractopamine, much of which ends up in their waste.

Yes, it's the antibiotics and growth hormones that make pig shit nasty.

[Res Publica Americana]

No, that's pig shit's rhetorical association with police departments.

[Maxxx]

The floors are slatted to allow excrement to fall into a catchment pit under the pens, but many things besides excrement can wind up in the pits: afterbirths, piglets accidentally crushed by their mothers, old batteries, broken bottles of insecticide, syringes, stillborn pigs?anything small enough to fit through the foot-wide pipes that drain the pits.

We obviously need a war on insecticide injecting hogs.

[Suthenboy]

Also a while back someone here had made a caricature of Jason and used a photo of some ridiculous looking fat kid.

I am wondering why they felt the need to find a picture of some silly fat kid when jason's actual picture would have been so much better. He truly is a caricature of himself.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

ya

[White Indian=/=Jason Godesky]

Libertards are as conspiratorial tin foil mad hatters.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[Res Publica Americana]

http://img807.imageshack.us/im.....spart1.jpg

http://img718.imageshack.us/im.....spart2.jpg

[Res Publica Americana]

So much mother-fucking win:

http://www.gamespot.com/the-el.....s-6350046/

[Brian]

So wait who found White Indian's real life identity? And how do you know it's him?

[Tin Foil Hat Libertard]

We have to hate somebody, and he's fat and fun to hate; that's our reasonable proof.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[John]

It was found out a while back. The white Indian stuff is straight out of that clown's web writings. Now it may not be said clown. It might be some loon cutting and pasting the stuff. Hard to say. How can really analyze insanity?

[It was found out a while back.]

Cite?

[John]

If you are not Godesky, stop stealing his writings.

[Cite, John?]

Quoting writings isn't "stealing," Tin Foil Hat Libertard.

[John]

It is when you don't attribute them to him. If you are not him, you are even more pathetic. At least that guy has a follower. What are you?

[Don't attribute? Cite?]

Or do you enjoy making up bullshit all day, TinFoilHatLibertard John?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

you don't know how to use google?

[Res Publica Americana]

You disingenuous, plagiaristic fuck -- you didn't quote, because you didn't credit Godesky, you just copied and pasted everything. Unless you're Godesky himself.

So you're down to two options, you fucking e-faggot:

1) You're a retarded anarcho-primitivist who has spent the last six months trolling a libertarian website, very ineffectively, or,

2) you're a retarded anarcho-primitivist who has spend the last six months trolling a libertarian website, very ineffectively, AND you're a fat fuck with a name.

Congratulations. Your options are terrific. Eat shit and fuck off already.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

lol

[John]

RPA for the win.

[plagiaristic? cite?]

Links to Jason's works are rather plentiful, Res Prick.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[John]

OMNG. You really are even more pathetic than Godesky. Godesky is a fat tub of shit playing Indian even though he wouldn't last five minutes without a bag of cheetos. But for all his faults, he at least has a follower. To be said follower is really rock bottom.

[Johns wrong, obfuscates more.]

Weak.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

why so mad guy?

[John]

Why am I wrong? Is Godesky not a fat tub of shit? The pictures on his facebook page would seem to confirm as much. Would someone in that poor of physical condition last two minutes in a survival situation? Most assuredly.

As pathetic and laughable as Godesky is, does he not have a follower? Yes, that would be you, whoever you are. And that would make you are follower of a fat tub of shit playing Indian. That is rock bottom.

[Sevo]

"Links to Jason's works are rather plentiful, Res Prick."

Plentiful, compared to, oh, unicorns.
Nobody gives a shit about Jason's neo-whacko rants.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

you don't know how to use google?

[Anonymous Coward]

John, I prefer to not analyze griefer trolls too much. I do, however, prefer to pay them in kind and as they deserve.

White Squaw, tell the nice people you're sorry and get back to your basement.

[Libertards know basements...]

I wonder why...

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[Anonymous Coward]

Because it's where vermin like White Indian tend to gather. Except when they sneak into the kitchen for crumbs.

[City-Statists are the thieves]

They always project their propensity for TAKING onto others.

[Jason Godesky is a Pedophile?]

dum

[Anonymous Coward]

I know, White Indian, you're only BORROWING your mommy's cheetos. Without telling her about it. Otherwise, she'd go all CITY-STATIST and beat your ass raw.

[City Statists do beat ass raw.]

You'd know that, anon coward.

[Anonymous Coward]

I know you had no objections that one night in the park.

At least, no objections that I could understand through the ball gag in your mouth.

[City Statists use ball gags.]

You'd know that, anon coward.

[Anonymous Coward]

Well excuse me for trying to keep your comfort in mind. Next time, I'll just stuff a deer's leg in between your teeth.

[It was found out a while back.]

Cite?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

you don't know how to use google?

[No cite, huh? LOL]

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

you don't know how to use google?

[Tulpa]

White Indian is a fellow Burgher? Fuck.

He's probably one of the ones who pushed the city council to ban couches on porches.

[Tulpa probably fondles infants]

Probably.

What does "probably" mean, anyway?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

nah

[Tulpa]

I was trying to be nice.

[Tulpa probably fondles infants]

Confirmed?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

that i fondle infants?

what's that the kool-aid man says?

[John]

Next they will be going after cars on blocks sitting in yards, the bastards.

[Tulpa]

They can take my broken appliance picnic table from my cold, dead hands.

[John]

You wouldn't be from Pittsburgh if they could.

[AlmightyJB]

What a waste. Such a beautiful woman and amazing talent. Definately one of my favorite singers of all time. Sometimes I'll hear hints of a young Whitney in some Rhianna songs. My condolences to Whitney's family.

[John]

Very powerful voice. What a waste of talent. I never liked her music. But she could sing.

[Res Publica Americana]

Yeah, it's pretty sad. And she was only 48. She could have gone right back in and kept going for decades more.

[AlmightyJB]

Btw Nick. I know you don't have the time to do this but I'd love to see you delete abouy 90% og this bullshit thread.

[Res Publica Americana]

In case you weren't here, White Indian's back. He's been shitting all over the last few threads, but he went all-out in this one. I hope to God his mother destroys his computer with a sledgehammer tonight.

[John]

Is it too much to hope he is the older brother of that chick whose dad shot her laptop?

[Res Publica Americana]

Fuck, I hope he's that father's son by an earlier marriage. Maybe he could get back there and empty a 100-round AR-15 drum into Injun's computer. Incendiary rounds.

[John]

God Damn It, I told you to stop gamboling all over the backyard and posting stupid shit on the internet. Now your life is about to get really hard.

[AlmightyJB]

Yeah, I noticed. What a dipshit. I'd be fine if Nick deleted this whole thread. It would be worth it just to know that white asshole wasted his whole day here. Not sure he or she is smart enough to care though.

[John]

Kill it off. It is not like the original post was that great anyway. I hate the drug war and all. But it is a bit of a stretch to say it killed Houston.

[Anonymous Coward]

The folks over at strike-at-the-root do a better job of keeping White Indian in check.

[John]

What is strike at the root? And how do they keep him in check?

[Anarchist Banning of Speech]

[I cry a lot]

[WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

[Anonymous Coward]

Registration and TOS. The fact White Squaw would get IP-banned if he tried to shit over there the way he does on Reason.

[Mr. FIFY]

First Amendment /= right to post on a privately-operated, non-government-owned website, Jason.

[Anonymous Coward]

So is this the second or third worst weekend thread EVER?

[John]

I am voting second. Definitely behind the 1000 comment one. Can't think of any others worse than this one. Although WI is getting more and more desperate.

[Sevo]

That thread where heller spent three hours not getting the joke was pretty awful

[Sevo]

^ spoof; not me.

[Tulpa]

Fellas, Reason doesn't take kindly to outing commenters. Ayn_Randian got banned back in the day for outing Lonewacko, a scourge of a similar nature. So be careful.

[in all seriousness]

fuck you concern troll

[John]

Really? I did not know this. I think WI is not Godesky. He is a follower, which even funnier. So his anonymity is preserved.

[John, KOCHsucker follower]

Funniest.

[Jason Godesky is a Pedophile?]

nah

[Res Publica Americana]

I'm pretty sure John's a Goldwater-style republican. I'm not at all sure how that conforms to being a Koch-sucker, but yeah, okay. I bet John's sniveling in a corner somewhere, giving a shit about what some griefer primitivist fuck thinks of him. Am I right, John?

And that "Res Prick" quip? Fuck, that hurt. You didn't mean it, did you, Indian? *Gulp*. /Wrists

[John]

Goldwater Republican is a good description. But I was born in Kansas. And that is where the evil Kochs are based. And yeah I am dying here that the tribe is going to show up at my door any moment now.

[John = What is wrong w/ Kansas]

What's the Matter with Kansas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Matter_with_Kansas?

[Tulpa]

Not Goldwater. He has more of a Pierre Du Pont whiff about him.

[John]

Du Pont? Jesus Tulpa what did I ever do to you?

[Tulpa]

I thought you'd be proud.

PDP was a tax cutter and early proponent of privatizing SS (to which GHWB responded, "that's a nutty idea Pierre")

[John]

I guess my memory is bad. If you meant it as a compliment. Thanks.

[Tulpa]

You're welcome.

He was the best politician to come out of Delaware since Joe Biden.

[Suthenboy]

Jason's tribe of pale idiots may be taking turns trolling here.

[John]

All four of them? Maybe so.

[Libel and Slander, Tulpa]

That's what falsely calling people pedophiles is, Tulpa. Going to say you're sorry?

[Tulpa]

I never called anyone a pedophile.

[Jason Godesky is a Pedophile?]

neither did I

[no worries then]

"That's what falsely calling people pedophiles is"

[cw]

Says the guy always posting libel and slander about Mises, Rothbard, H'nR commenters, and libertarians in general.

[Direct quotes aren't libel]

try again, cw

[you = liar]

"Autistic =/= Psychopathic|2.12.12 @ 2:52PM|#|show direct|ignore
But being a selfish capitalist prick is.

ATLAS SHRIEKED:"

And what do we make of the pretense that only quoting is occurring?

[rather]

Defamation of character of a private person is easier to prove as malicious; whereas a famous person has some rebuttal capabilities but still the courts are siding with the victim's loss of privacy, and reputation over the accuser's free speech.

Statements of fact that are untrue and can be proven so will get you into trouble, and Reason H&R is libel too.

In fact, when a victim complains and they fail to respond, or take action to correct the untruth; they are indeed fucked

[rather fart in a jar]

So are you indeed a spoofer?

[AlmightyJB]

re: Tulpa "Reason doesn't take kindly to outing commenters."

White Indian has linked to Godesky a nuber of times so he's really "outed" himself as either Godesy or one of his braindead groupie sheep.

[KOCHsucker groupie sheep]

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

[cw]

I don't think the WOD has much to do with Whitney Houston's death. Many celebrities have gone to rehab after being addicted to illegal substances and haven't faced much in the way of government-sanctioned punishment.

Some people simply don't get the help they need - addiction can be quite overpowering, if I may state the obvious.

You know, Occam's Razor and all that.

But still, I do put the WOD up there with Obamacare, the Alien and Sedition Acts, the FAIRNESS Doctrine, the PATRIOT ACT, Davis-Bacon, and the twin turds SOPA/PIPA as, at best, terrible public policy, and, at worst, laws that are antithetical to a free republic.

Few. Sorry for being so long-winded.

[Res Publica Americana]

They're terrible public policy AND absolutely antithetical to a free republic. They're the sort of shit for which we should have seen trials and executions for treason. I hope enough people give a shit to make them all go away, and soon.

[cw]

What's even worse is that that list much, much longer.

[cw]

*is* should be between *list* and *much*.

[Res Publica Americana]

You'd need a decade of dedicated research to even attempt to identify all the laws and regulations that are unjustifiable and in effect right now. Here's an interesting semi-OT tidbit for you:

"Estimates of the current size of the body of federal criminal laws vary. It has been reported that the Congressional Research Service cannot even count the current number of federal crimes . And these laws are scattered in over 50 titles of the United States Code, encompassing roughly 27,000 pages. Worse yet, the statutory code sections often incorporate, by reference, the provisions and sanctions of administrative regulations promulgated by various regulatory agencies. Estimates of how many such regulations exist are even less well settled, but the ABA thinks there are nearly 10,000."

- Paul Rosenzweig on over-criminalization.

[FREE STATISM]

FREE GOVERNMENT
FREE REPUBLIC

so funny!

[cw]

What are you saying?

[FREE STATISM is our only hope]

FREE REPUBLIC!

It's just funny listening to libertards run down government, but they know how to run government just perfectly, even though they fail every election in the free market of ideas.

[Jason Godesky]

"every election in the free market"

yes I am actually so fucking stupid that I think government supported two party elections are any kind of free market.

[Who forced you to vote?]

Nobody?

[Res Publica Americana]

http://img845.imageshack.us/im.....nfunny.jpg

[cw]

Yeah, we believe a lot of people are dumb. Or at least politically naive. Your point, again?

[cw]

You know, you see everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, through this anarcho-primitivist lens. When all you carry is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

And before you accuse me of doing the same with libertarianism, I'd like to point out my post above; that the government's WOD was really not responsible for Whitney Houston's death.

C'mon, WI. I dare you to try not to blame something bad on the agricultural city-STATE.

[Statism = Ag City Statism]

...is the more accurate term.

There has never been a city (population 5000+) without State level politics, cw.

You embrace city-Statism (civilization,) yet contradict yourself by claiming the State is the root of all evil.

I'm here identifying that contradiction, and telling you to check your premises.

[It's called sophistication]

And you don't have it.

"You embrace city-Statism (civilization,) yet contradict yourself by claiming the State is the root of all evil."

That's why you conflate those things.

[John]

It is just so sophisticated to to be a fat tub of shit claiming to want to live as a primitive.

[Res Publica Americana]

Mother Gaia must be protected by returning humanity to the Stone Age, John? If you can't see that, you're clearly a l[i]b{E}Rt(_(_(OID)_)_) horticultural city-statist.

[Try rereading that post slowly]

"It is just so sophisticated "

Look harder, and maybe you'll see where you screwed up.

By the way, you're a dick, and episodes like this illustrate why.

[Show me civilization w/o State]

Ok? Otherwise, you're just engaging in more sophistication sophistry.

[cw]

Actually, I've never posted that I want to abolish the state. What I hate is the constant difference so many give to government, that it can solve all our ills, that it always has good intentions, that it should be involved in x, etc.

You lack sophistication. To you ag. city-state equals BAD, tribalism equals GOOD.

[Why bother?]

"Show me civilization"

Give me a non-fluid definition of State that I can agree to and we'll talk. You seem to think we're bound by your assertions.

[Standard definition of Civ]

5 primary (always present) characteristics that define civilization:

1. Settlement of cities of 5,000 or more people.
2. Full-time labor specialization.
3. Concentration of surplus.
4. Class structure.
5. State-level political organization.

It's freshman anthropology 101.

[Bingo]

What the fuck happened here?

[John]

White Indian fest 2012. He gamboled all over the thread.

[Can't compete, John?]

White Injun counts coup on you.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[50 Libertards pile on 1 Injun]

Injun still wins.

That's what the fuck is happening.

[Tulpa]

Gangbangs always end in tears, at least in my experience.

[You'd know that, Tulpa.]

But this is different.

[cw]

Injun still wins.

Cool! Did you win a pony?

[Tulpa]

Somebody turned off the electric fence

[John]

^^This^^

[Bingo]

Is this an organized attack? There is a lot of spoofing going on.

[Hobie Hanson]

How do we know you're not a spoof.

[Res Publica Americana]

The Na'Vi are invading.

[cw]

It was unobtainium that sacked the primitivists, and ushered in the agricultural city-STATE.

[cw]

It was unobtainium that sacked the primitivists, and ushered in the agricultural city-STATE.

[Res Publica Americana]

You can justifiably assume that Injun's sexual orientation tends towards shrubs and porcupines. Tits and ass are products of the vinicultural city-state, where women have sufficient food to HAVE tits and ass, you see?

[Oh really?]

"Let your women take a look at a jungle female with her shriveled face and pendulous breasts..." ~Ayn Rand (John Galt's radio speech)

http://gallery.lukaesenko.com/.....6071-3.jpg

Do Libertards/Randroids get anything right?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

"Fictional CharacterJohn Galt"

You try sooooooo hard and fail

[Res Publica Americana]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi....._0720a.jpg

"In the 1980s it appeared the Himba way of life was coming to a close. A severe drought killed ninety percent of their cattle and many gave up their herds and became refugees in the town of Opuwo living in slums on international relief. Since they live on the Angolan border, many Himba were also kidnapping victims in the Angolan civil war."

You're such a fucking retard.

[cw]

You see, the agricultural city-STATE caused the drought. Climate change and such. Really. He can't concede that maybe, just maybe, tribal life isn't as utopian as he makes it sound.

[Agriculture does cause drought]

"The causes of drought are either natural or manmade or both."

Ethiopian Journal of Agricultural Sciences Volume X, Number 1-2, 1988
Causes and Characteristics of Drought in Ethiopia.
Tesfaye Haile
http://agris.fao.org/agris-sea.....2010000133

[rathernot]

silence

[Res Publica Americana]

You can justifiably assume that Injun's sexual orientation tends towards shrubs and porcupines. Tits and ass are products of the vinicultural city-state, where women have sufficient food to HAVE tits and ass, you see?

[cw]

Heh. Double-posts for us both.

[Res Publica Americana]

Yeah, I made a funny. :PPPP

[Oh really?]

"Let your women take a look at a jungle female with her shriveled face and pendulous breasts..." ~Ayn Rand (John Galt's radio speech)

http://www.amazon-indians.org/.....Woman2.jpg

Do Libertards/Randroids get anything right?

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

Fictional Caracter John Galt's radio speech

^"her shriveled face and pendulous breasts"

Spot on that time.

[Francisco d Anconia]

The return of White Indian. Ignore it and it will die.

[^ The Phantom Hope ^]

[Res Publica Americana]

That's the thing, Francisco. That's what works with most trolls, because most trolls have a functional brain, and they become boredom of being ignored. This guy doesn't have a functional brain. He's a fucking retard. He kept coming back for dozens of threads the last time he went on a spree where everybody pretty much ignored him, and he was utterly undeterred. Fucking griefer.

[John]

Ignoring will not stop him. In fact it seems to encourage him. Laughing at him does seem to bother him. Like most insane people, they have no real defense for ridicule.

[Hobie Hanson]

"they become boredom of being ignored."

joe'z law

[Res Publica Americana]

As much of a retard as you are, you had every right to call me on that. Proofreading is your friend, apparently.

[mustard]

Who's more the retard: the retard or the one who needs the retard to edit his posts?

[Sevo]

"Who's more the retard"

Always say mustard, haven't been wrong yet.

[Res Publica Americana]

"Who's more the retard?"

I'd say the pinko fuck trying to be clever on a libertarian website.

[Mr. FIFY]

Well, fuck. Hobie and mustard just *have* to pick NOW to show up.

How many more undesirables are going to infest this website before the week starts?

[Tulpa]

Those two are pretty stupid, but they have nowhere near the thread-destroying capabilities of the other one.

[Mr. FIFY]

You're way too kind to them, Tulpa.

[Res Publica Americana]

*bored.

[Francisco d Anconia]

It was this bad a few months ago. We all agreed to ignore it and, for the most part, it went away. Over the last few days there have been a few people who were responding to it. Most were new and some of the regulars didn't immediately realize it was him, as he actually posted some semi-intelligent comments. I think it gave him new hope and we backslid.

It breathes attention, I say we completely suffocate it.

[Tulpa]

Imagine how bad it would be if White Indian figured out how to post images and blinking text.

[Franco! Franco!]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

[Suthenboy]

Guilty as charged....but in my defense I didnt know it was him. or her. or it...whatever.

[Res Publica Americana]

That's it, Johnny Reb! Off the gallows with you!

[MNG]

I blame John

[cw]

Oh c'mon, MNG. Give John a break. By the way, I recall that you constitute the other half of that pissing match we see every other article.

[John]

It is not MNG. Spoofing MNG is a new White Indian trolling tactic.

[John]

And that wasn't me. It looks like spoofing both of us is a new White Indian trolling tactic.

[rather fart in a jar]

Spoof a fart and see what happens.

[Today it's blame it on...]

WI day, instead of blame it all on government day.

Libertarianism is just witchraftery.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

dum

[cw]

I want one of those witch rafts.

[AlmightyJB]

It's pretty ingenious making a raft out of witches since they way the same as a duck.

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

No no no witches float, don't they?

That's how you know they're witches when you're dunking them.

[AlmightyJB]

http://askville.amazon.com/wit.....tId=238902

[Jason Godesky is a pedophile?]

"Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
--No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!"

lol

[Francisco d Anconia]

Greatest Python skit EVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmF_yXQkVh0

[AlmightyJB]

Oh you did not just go there.

[AlmightyJB]

French taunt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DCAFUerzs

[AlmightyJB]

Bunny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99X8WDQWAKg

[Francisco d Anconia]

Okay, I'll concede a close second. Followed closely by the Lumberjack Song, the Dead Parrot and Spam.

[-]

I blame society.

[heller]

I blame agriculture. HURR DUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR

[Agriculture = War on Nature]

hurr durrr indeed

[Fuck nature]

in the neck.

[Teh Rael White Indian]

WAR ON NATURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[You heard me]

in the neck.

[Res Publica Americana]

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ----- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....er_001.jpg

[-]

mistakes were made

[Agammamon]

". . .to admit and seek *problems* for their problems. . ."

Heh, typo of Fruedian slip?

[heller]

Heh, typo of Fruedian slip?

...

[cw]

Freudian slips tend to rattle the brain.

[Reason Cleaning Staff]

We are not cleaning this up.

[Res Publica Americana]

That's okay. It would probably be a waste of your time and resources anyway. The Occutards would have invaded your private property and fucked it up beyond recognition before blaming it on Walmart, while Injun would have gamboled into your lobby and taken a shit in the middle of the shiny marble floor, just like real gambol anti-prohibitionists always do.

[heller]

White Indian is so stupid that when someone calls him a retard it's considered a compliment.

[retard]

not to me it isn't.

[You really love me!]

Thank you! You love me, you really love me! ~The Mask
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKK6d3-h2U

[heller]

You really think you're not completely retarded?

[A Serious Man]

To think, when I saw that this article had almost 900 comments I was thinking to myself, "Wow, our H&R commentators must really care about Whitney Houston."

[Res Publica Americana]

Poor Whitney. White fucking Shitcake HAD to ruin this thread specifically, didn't he?

[cw]

New to HnR?

[Res Publica Americana]

He's a regular. He has just as many scars and immovable psychological traumas from the Age of Injun as the rest of us, CW. The beast is back. Winter is coming. Brace yourself for oblivion.

[cw]

The dragon has returned.

[Res Publica Americana]

We must close shut the marble jaws of Oblivion!

[cw]

No no no, he's the World-Eater.

[Res Publica Americana]

He's Darth Nihilus' retarded brother, but he can kill planets all the same. Save yourselves!

[A Serious Man]

I was really hoping that this was just a combination of a Dunphy police debate and some John-Tulpa-MNG fighting, but nope, Whitey the Injun has returned. Someone didn't cast the One Ring into the volcano like he should have.

[Res Publica Americana]

We have become Death, the Destroyers of Worlds. We have unleashed the Injun.

Some cried, some laughed.

[A Serious Man]

Speaking of apocalyptic scenarios, The Walking Dead returns tonight and that reminds me to DVR it. So thank you.

[Res Publica Americana]

I bet they're going to spend an episode contemplating the psychological effect of a woman missing her period, or we might get some more pretty shots of the farmhouse as Lori's man sits on a log looking positively constipated.

What a fucking waste the first half of the season was.

[A Serious Man]

I agree, but with that barn massacre and Rick shooting the zombie girl, I don't think things will be as passive now. Shane's gone off the deep end and we don't know how Doc Hershel will react to seeing his zombie wife and friends gunned down like that.

[Res Publica Americana]

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. Let's pray it's so.

[P Brooks]

Do you believe in magic?

Tom Friedman does.

this is a world that America is hard-wired to thrive in ? provided we invest in better infrastructure, postsecondary education for all, more talented immigrants, regulations that incentivize risk-taking and prevent recklessness, and government-financed research to push out the boundaries of science and let our venture capitalists pluck the best flowers. There is no way we can thrive in this era without this kind of public-private partnership. We need strong government, but limited government, which enables our companies and individuals to compete globally. It's the kind of public-private partnership that Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush embraced.

Just keep repeating the magic words. And burn lots and lots of money on the altar of Public-Private Partnership.

[Res Publica Americana]

The guy's stupidity burns pretty badly, doesn't it?

[cw]

Public-private partnerships = big gov. and big biz colluding together to fleece the taxpayer.

[that's capitalism for ya]

Public-private partnerships = big gov. and big biz colluding together to fleece the taxpayer/consumer/sheep/non-owner class.

[cw]

Good job describing cronyism. As for capitalism...

[Honestly]

A total breakdown/trainwreck actually seems fitting for her...

[Francisco d Anconia]

Always remember d Anconia's Law of Extremes:

If one beer is good, extreme quantities of beer is extremely good.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/.....fits-beer/

I'm going to get hydrated and healthy!

[HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN]

THE CULT OF CATS ? Contribution and Tax Exemption Status Re-think

OUTSIDE PEST VS INSIDE PETS

The Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, do not understand the concept of property rights, business concerns and rights, the protection of endangered species, or floral and fauna, these organizations once again place the sub-species of [CATS] above the human species, they are unable to differentiate between a [CAT] as an Outside Pest an undomesticated wild sub-species, and that of an Inside [Cat] as a Pet a domesticated wild sub-species, or a Pet that when in an outside environment as a dog is by its master, must be under the direct control of its master, a cat is a sub-species to that of the human species it is a the human is the master and the cat is the sub-species, the cat does not control the human the human must be its master and in total control of that sub-species. Thus it flies in the face of common sense with an a entire Pet and Pet Supply Industry devoted to the care and maintenance of any and all pet sub-species, that this concept eludes that of the The Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society. If the [CAT] sub-species is not under the control of dominate Human Master Species in an outside environment it is no longer a pet but a pest and must be seen for what it is a sub-species pest, and The Republic of California, the County of San Diego, has [1/2M] One ? Half Million such pests under the protection of the The Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, the American ? Israeli Military Industrial Complex ? [The Empire], it is time to change things.

THE CULT OF CATS - The ASPCA - Humane Society ? Feral Cat Society

It has come time for a re-thinking of the continued tax exemption status of the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society in view of their anti-business, anti-community, anti-environmental, and anti-national security positions in their support of the rights of Cats. These organizations place the rights of Cats totally and completely above the Rights of the Human Species; it is one matter to have concerns about the treatment of a species but yet another to place that species [Cats] above and beyond other more pressing issues. Business and Property owners have the right to the control of their property rights and legal business interests, Hotel, Motel, and other business concerns have the right to take whatever actions they feel necessary to protect not only their property but their guests, and clients from pests [Cats], and this right extends to that of home owners, and renters upon rental property. But the Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, have established a policy of a confrontational and combative nature it is not the Cat pest problem but the business or the individual who is at fault. The Cult of Cats does not approach the matter as one in which the problem is the Cat Pest Problem, that needs to be dealt with and resolved but that the business or individual property owner, or renter must be educated to the Rights of Cats, to free unrestricted, and unmolested access at all times and that if cats have established a residence upon that business, private property, or rental property that business, private property owner, or rental property resident is totally and completely responsible for the welfare of the Pest Cats. These organizations are not about Animal Control but Animal Right above and beyond Mankind and the interest of the Human Species.

CONTRIBUTION AND TAX EXEMPTION RE-THINK

It has come time for to re-think the tax exemption status of the Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, and contributions make by individuals as a tax exemption, as these organizations no longer serve the public or its interests, but that of Rights of select species above all other interests both public and private, that individual contributors may indeed continue their donations to these organizations if they so desire but without a tax exemption, but it would be far better if their contributions were directed to the interest that would far better sever the interest of Mankind, and these include [UNICEF], Doctors without boarders, the Cancer Society, the AIDS Foundation. The American ? Israeli Military Industrial Complex [The Empire], has [100K] One ? Hundred Thousand Veterans of their Wars of Economic Stimulus, spread across the length and breath of its vast territory may suffering from [PTSD] Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, formally know as Shell Shock, one community within its vastness only provides a week of help to these individuals, The Republic of California, County of San Diego, and no other, and there is the hope of a vast return to be make by such contributions, which do not contribution to the destruction of private and business interests, the destruction of the environment and the placement of a sub-species interests above that of the human condition, and interest, the Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, and contribution are once again upon a contribution drive, it is suggested at after viewing their presentations, view those of children around the globe and within the local community, who are not Pets, but are part of the Human Species, and re-think which will bring the greater return on the investment of contribution dollars, will a [CAT] pest bring about world peace, create a method of feeding the entire worlds growing population, be an artist whose plight needs the greater response, which species, in it is time for a CULT OF CATS ? Contribution and Tax Exemption Status Re-think

HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

[HERC]

THE CULT OF CATS ? Contribution and Tax Exemption Status Re-think

OUTSIDE PEST VS INSIDE PETS

The Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, do not understand the concept of property rights, business concerns and rights, the protection of endangered species, or floral and fauna, these organizations once again place the sub-species of [CATS] above the human species, they are unable to differentiate between a [CAT] as an Outside Pest an undomesticated wild sub-species, and that of an Inside [Cat] as a Pet a domesticated wild sub-species, or a Pet that when in an outside environment as a dog is by its master, must be under the direct control of its master, a cat is a sub-species to that of the human species it is a the human is the master and the cat is the sub-species, the cat does not control the human the human must be its master and in total control of that sub-species. Thus it flies in the face of common sense with an a entire Pet and Pet Supply Industry devoted to the care and maintenance of any and all pet sub-species, that this concept eludes that of the The Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society. If the [CAT] sub-species is not under the control of dominate Human Master Species in an outside environment it is no longer a pet but a pest and must be seen for what it is a sub-species pest, and The Republic of California, the County of San Diego, has [1/2M] One ? Half Million such pests under the protection of the The Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, the American ? Israeli Military Industrial Complex ? [The Empire], it is time to change things.

THE CULT OF CATS - The ASPCA - Humane Society ? Feral Cat Society

It has come time for a re-thinking of the continued tax exemption status of the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society in view of their anti-business, anti-community, anti-environmental, and anti-national security positions in their support of the rights of Cats. These organizations place the rights of Cats totally and completely above the Rights of the Human Species; it is one matter to have concerns about the treatment of a species but yet another to place that species [Cats] above and beyond other more pressing issues. Business and Property owners have the right to the control of their property rights and legal business interests, Hotel, Motel, and other business concerns have the right to take whatever actions they feel necessary to protect not only their property but their guests, and clients from pests [Cats], and this right extends to that of home owners, and renters upon rental property. But the Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, have established a policy of a confrontational and combative nature it is not the Cat pest problem but the business or the individual who is at fault. The Cult of Cats does not approach the matter as one in which the problem is the Cat Pest Problem, that needs to be dealt with and resolved but that the business or individual property owner, or renter must be educated to the Rights of Cats, to free unrestricted, and unmolested access at all times and that if cats have established a residence upon that business, private property, or rental property that business, private property owner, or rental property resident is totally and completely responsible for the welfare of the Pest Cats. These organizations are not about Animal Control but Animal Right above and beyond Mankind and the interest of the Human Species.

CONTRIBUTION AND TAX EXEMPTION RE-THINK

It has come time for to re-think the tax exemption status of the Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, and contributions make by individuals as a tax exemption, as these organizations no longer serve the public or its interests, but that of Rights of select species above all other interests both public and private, that individual contributors may indeed continue their donations to these organizations if they so desire but without a tax exemption, but it would be far better if their contributions were directed to the interest that would far better sever the interest of Mankind, and these include [UNICEF], Doctors without boarders, the Cancer Society, the AIDS Foundation. The American ? Israeli Military Industrial Complex [The Empire], has [100K] One ? Hundred Thousand Veterans of their Wars of Economic Stimulus, spread across the length and breath of its vast territory may suffering from [PTSD] Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, formally know as Shell Shock, one community within its vastness only provides a week of help to these individuals, The Republic of California, County of San Diego, and no other, and there is the hope of a vast return to be make by such contributions, which do not contribution to the destruction of private and business interests, the destruction of the environment and the placement of a sub-species interests above that of the human condition, and interest, the Cult of Cats the [ASPCA] The American Society for the Protection of Cruelty against Animals ? The Humane Society ? and Feral Cat Society, and contribution are once again upon a contribution drive, it is suggested at after viewing their presentations, view those of children around the globe and within the local community, who are not Pets, but are part of the Human Species, and re-think which will bring the greater return on the investment of contribution dollars, will a [CAT] pest bring about world peace, create a method of feeding the entire worlds growing population, be an artist whose plight needs the greater response, which species, in it is time for a CULT OF CATS ? Contribution and Tax Exemption Status Re-think

HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

[cw]

YES!!! The HERC is back!!!

[Res Publica Americana]

Thank Christ for good-quality trolling. We love you, Herc. Don't ever leave again.

[HERC]

The [ISRAELI MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX] tried to [BLOCK] my handle.

[cw]

Oh yeah, mandatory "Cool story, bro."

[Cytotoxic]

THIS ENTIRE COMMENTS SECTION IS REDEEMED.

[Chloe]

This is going to turn into another 2000+ post thread, isn't?

[AlmightyJB]

no football

[College football playoff gaini]

In a nationwide Gallup Poll five years ago, 85 percent of college football fans favored replacing the BCS system with some form of playoff.

Such overwhelming public demand, though, did little to move the sport's power brokers from their long-entrenched opposition to a playoff.

Until now, it seems.

The opposition has softened -- enough so that University of Georgia president Michael Adams last week predicted that a four- or eight-team playoff will be a reality within two years.

His prediction was precipitated by a report that the Big Ten, long a staunch opponent of a playoff, has warmed considerably to the idea.

A deal is far from done, and even though there is a new openness to exploring a limited playoff, there is not a consensus on what form it should take. But the needle clearly has moved in the direction of a playoff, which fans long have clamored for and university presidents, conference commissioners and bowl bosses long have resisted.

What changed? Conference realignments altered some dynamics. TV ratings and attendance declined for many bowls. Last month's all-SEC national title game stirred sentiment for broadening the field. And resistance eroded under relentless criticism of the 14-year-old BCS.

"One of my major concerns all along has been that I didn't think we were paying enough attention to the fans who foot the bill for all this," Adams said, "and I think that realization is beginning to come home."

Adams was among the early college presidents to advocate a playoff, pitching an eight-team version in 2008 that went nowhere.

Later that year, SEC commissioner Mike Slive proposed a so-called "plus-one" format, basically a four-team playoff. The plan called for the top four teams in the BCS standings to be paired in two bowl games -- No. 1 vs. No. 4 and No. 2 vs. No. 3 ?- with the winners meeting in a championship game. But the SEC proposal drew support only from the ACC and opposition from the Big Ten, Pac-10 (now Pac-12), Big 12, Big East and Notre Dame as the BCS stuck with its controversial system of a national-title game between the teams that finish the regular season Nos. 1 and 2.

Fast-forward to 2012, and the climate has changed.

When 11 conference commissioners and Notre Dame's athletic director met last month to discuss the future of the BCS, there was, by all accounts, widespread willingness to discuss playoff possibilities. BCS executive director Bill Hancock said after the meeting that 50 or 60 bowl/playoff options were floated.

Current BCS contracts end with the 2013 season, and the goal is to determine any changes by this summer and have them take effect for the 2014 season. Further meetings of the BCS decision-makers are scheduled, the next one late this month.

Momentum seems to be building between meetings.

The Chicago Tribune reported last week that Big Ten members are kicking around an idea for a four-team playoff in which the semifinals would be played on the campuses of the higher-seeded teams and the final would be bid out to potential host cities, a la the Super Bowl.

Also last week, The Arizona Republic reported that Michael Crow, president of Pac-12 member Arizona State, is pushing a playoff that would include the eight highest-ranked conference champions.

"It's no secret that the biggest impediments to [a playoff] historically have been the . . . Big Ten and Pac-12," Adams said. "And so the fact that they are seemingly beginning to change their view will make this all maybe possible."

NCAA president Mark Emmert endorsed a four-team playoff last month, telling reporters at the NCAA convention that the concept "makes good sense" as long as it doesn't grow into a larger tournament.

Certainly, ample opportunity exists for the momentum toward a limited playoff to be stopped or reversed. Among the questions to be sorted through:

How would playoff teams be chosen and seeded? How would the regular season, bowls and players be impacted? How much money would be produced and how would it be dispersed? When and where would the games be played? Would a four-team playoff, which seems to have the most support, put the sport on the road to a larger playoff, which still seems out of bounds to many schools? And in the end, would college presidents agree on a plan?

"What would it look like and whether it's actually going to happen, all of that is premature," Slive told members of the Nashville Sports Council last week. "I think we need the time to sit down and analyze it. We need time to take ideas back to our respective conferences and ? [have] a decision to be made sometime later this year."

[P Brooks]

These organizations place the rights of Cats totally and completely above the Rights of the Human Species

And rightfully so.

[mice]

Fuck Cats

[Mr Whipple]

Fuck Cats

Only the consenting ones.

[Dogs]

We second that.

[Garfield]

Speciest prick.

[Odie]

ARF ARF ARF!!!

[Res Publica Americana]

What are you, EGYPTIAN?!

[Mr Whipple]

No, but I bet he walks like an Egyptian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWP-AsG5DRk

[Res Publica Americana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4avoEbGjYu0

trolololol

[Other Animals have rights too.]

Since we all inhabit the earth, we are all considered earthlings. There is no sexism, racism, or speciesism in the term 'earthling'. It encompasses each and every one of us: warm- or cold-blooded, mammal, vertebrate or invertebrate, bird, reptile, amphibian, fish and human alike.

Earthlings
http://www.earthlings.com/

[cw]

Why not universeling? Don't discriminate against the bacteria we found on Mars.

[So listen]

I've been having problems with my carbonara. I just can't get the flavor right.

Any ideas?

[cw]

More butter an garlic never goes wrong...at least in tastiness. Your health, on the other hand...

[cw]

More butter and garlic never goes wrong...at least in tastiness. Your health, on the other hand...

[So listen]

No problems there, but I've had good carbonara from other chefs and mine just doesn't taste... right.

Something to do with the egg I think.

[cw]

Bad batch, or a certain kind of egg?

[So listen]

Texture actually, it doesn't set properly

[cw]

Maybe it's the type of pan you're using? To be honest, I really don't know that much about cooking. Just trying to help you brainstorm.

[Suthenboy]

I am not sure what you are doing, but with carbonara, like hollandaise, the trick is to get the egg yolk mixed in without cooking it. If you are heating any of the ingredients too much before mixing with the egg you will get a grainy texture and it wont set right.

[Res Publica Americana]

In N Out, I guess.

[Mr Whipple]

"Julian Whitney gives great head and is dead"

[Res Publica Americana]

Whenever I hear the name 'Julian', I immediately picture Julian fucking Bashir from Deep Space Nine. That guy was such an irritating prick.

[?^]

an irritating prick

[Koch Family Foundations]

We're funding this crap?

Miss Ives, get me Nick whatsisname.

[Koch Kansas Krap]

"Shove it." ~Miss Ives

[Gov't is the "cut out man..."]

...for capitalist aggression.

[Someone should cut out]

about 60lbs of ugly fat from your gut.

[Teh Rael White Indian]

CAPITLISTS CONTROLS ALLZ PEOPLE! GOVERNMENTORS NEVER HAZ TEH INITIATIVES!!!

[close to the truth there]

[A Serious Man]

Since this thread is hopelessly fucked, I guess I can ask who else is tuning in to season 2.5 of The Walking Dead? Now that that god-awful "where's the little girl?" storyline is done, I'm optimistic about where the show is going to go.

[Libertarian2]

Over 900 posts and counting! Maybe Reason needs to drop the "politics" charade and rename themselves to get more traffic. Perhaps something along the lines of, "Nick's Hollywood Beat"?

[Other Animals have rights too.]

Since we all inhabit the earth, we are all considered earthlings. There is no sexism, racism, or speciesism in the term 'earthling'. It encompasses each and every one of us: warm- or cold-blooded, mammal, vertebrate or invertebrate, bird, reptile, amphibian, fish and human alike.

Earthlings
http://www.earthlings.com/

[cw]

And...what are we supposed to do with this?

[Reason Cleaning Staff]

?repent

[Res Publica Americana]

You planetist scum! What about Thyferra? What about Geonosis? How about Cristophsis, Coruscant, Vulcan, Mars, Boz Pity? What of the creatures of the Warp?

Your discrimination sickens me!

[Reason Cleaning Staff]

You universist scum. why are you limiting yourself to planets in the known universe?

your discrimination sickens me.

[Other Animals have morality.]

How would you feel is somebody did that to your sister, or your mother, or your wife?

Whadayamean?

Clip from the film Thelma & Louise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrkX8axRMTg

[cw]

Hey, let's focus on Earth, now. What about amoebas? Viruses? They are living creatures, too, and deserve your respect.

[True. (Tree of Life)]

This Great Tree of Life diagram is based primarily on the evolutionary relationships so wonderfully related in Dr. Richard Dawkins' The Ancestor's Tale.
http://evogeneao.com/tree.html

[Chloe]

Viruses are not alive.

[cw]

What exactly constitutes life, anyway?

[Chloe]

In order to be considered alive, an organism has to be able to reproduce, grow, respond to stimuli, maintain homeostasis, and undergo metabolism. Viruses do non of these on their own and need to use an organisms celluar "machinery" in order to reduplicate itself.

[Chloe is stuck in, oh, 1950]

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[cw]

I thought all that was needed was reproducing DNA for an object to be considered alive.

[A Serious Man]

And Species 8472. Why stop at our dimension?

[Res Publica Americana]

Absolutely. How do these Earthling proponents SLEEP at night? Are Species 8472 to be forsaken? And goat-people from Narnia -- shall we leave them to rot by the wayside?

Everything of everything, unite!

[Unite against Capitalist Explo]

itation? You got it.

Capitalism = Xian Domination Myth from Genesis 1:26 anyway.

Pure Bullshit.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:26

[cw]

Capitalist Exploitation

Are you sure you're not a Marxist?

[Res Publica Americana]

He's a radical left-anarchist with strong primitivistic undercurrents. He shits all over the Internet and doesn't afraid of anything11!

[Communists exploit as much as]

...Capitalists.

You're all agricultural city-Statists.

[cw]

http://www.scientificamerican......a-11-10-18

[cw]

Cool story, bro.

[Other Animals have morality.]

Can somebody update the Capitalist SLAVERS of other moral species on the last few years of science?

Good Natured
The Origins of Right and Wrong in Humans and Other Animals
by Frans B. M. de Waal
Harvard University Press, 1996
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674356610

[cw]

Cool story, bro.

[Primitivist Slaver]

If you don't gambol, you go to the gallows!

[Gallows are city-Statist tech]

[John]

The irony of the whole White Indian thing is that when they started posting on here people did engage them. They pointed out the obvious facts that if their philosophy was ever put into worldwide practice 95% or more of the population. And that if these people believed in the tribal life, why were they not living it. None of that received any rational response other than more cut and paste.

It is the second point that really cuts to the chase here. There are people out there who are not shit primitivists. They don't want what society has to offer and they check out. There is a really great documentary called "Alone in the Wilderness". It was made in the 1970s about this guy who back in the 1950s his wife died and he said to hell with it and moved to the Alaska wilderness. The only thing he used that was not made on site, was ammunition (because you cannot live alone in the Alaska wilderness without large caliber firearms, a bear will eventually eat you) and some tar paper for the root of his cabin. That was it. He lived on this lake miles from anywhere until he was in his 90s. The place is still there as a museum. This guy is not alone. There is a whole underground of modern day mountain men. There are people who go to places like New Guinea and actually join the tribe. They do exist. You can do it.

I think these people are a bit nuts. But having spent some time in the real wilderness, I can't help but respect the hell out of them. That is what makes the White Indian tribe so appalling. To claim to believe in the primitive lifestyle and then be some fat tub of shit living in Pittsburgh wearing your Batman t-shirt on your facebook page is just pathetic. Actually pathetic is too weak of a word. Childish would be better. These people are no different than geeky 12 year olds pretending to be vampires after reading the Twilight Series.

[Reason Cleaning Staff]

Alone in the Wilderness guy had food flown in every spring.

[John]

Really? Regardless, he was pretty off the grid. And you could live in a more temperate climate and grow your own. If you want to Gambol you can. Hell, go up to the artic and get some inuits to take you in. Read a book called an African in Greenland. It is about a guy from Togo who did just that. No kidding.

[Reason Cleaning Staff]

I'm surprised more of them don't end up like Alexander Supertramp

[John]

Not all of them are that stupid. He was just a dumb messed up kid. He didn't know what he was doing. Some people take it very seriously. They really are survivalists. And they know what they are doing. They are a little crazy. I couldn't do it. But you have to respect them. And people like WI and his crew are a real insult to the real thing. They would end up like Supertramp once the protective layer of blubber burned off.

[Suthenboy]

Once the blubber burned off? Hardly. Three days in the coastal swamp down here and he would succumb to the chiggers.

[John]

A gator would eat him.

[Res Publica Americana]

He'd fall into a river and get eaten by an alligator. The fat fuck wouldn't be able to survive fifty feet away from his portable superfridge

[Ice Nine]

Yeah, he was stupid about wilderness survival. As I read "ITW" it dawned on me though that McCandless was sort of a special being; not just a foolish free spirit but a person who consistently saw things in life that most of us would never bother to imagine. I was impressed by him, silly boy that he was.

[John]

He was a sympathetic person. I read that book too. And came away respecting him more than I thought he would. But he just wasn't cut out for this world.

[Loners aren't tribalists]

Primitive tribalists aren't loners.

[John]

You don't have to be. You can form your own tribe. There is endless wilderness in Alaska. Lots of people have done it. They are called communes. You are just too pathetic to do it. And you are too lazy to learn the actual skills it would take to do it. It is easier to pontificate. Learning how to actually live in the wild is hard. That is why you are childish and pathetic.

[Communes = Civilizaition]

John, you're as stupid as a mud fence. Communes are agricultural, dumbfuck. Who wants to dig the dirt?

[John]

Then go hunt and gather. There is plenty of space to do it. And again, what have you ever done in your life to attempt to gain the skills to live that lifestyle? Even if you couldn't live it perfectly, you could try to get close. And getting close doesn't involve being a fat fuck living in Pittsburgh. It involves embracing the way of life and learning how to live it. Hunting is serious skill that takes a lifetime to learn, especially if you are going to do it without firearms. So is gathering food. Just knowing what plants won't kill you is a skill.

You have none of that. If you did, you would be out doing it, not stuffing your fat face with cheese burgers.

[John]

And you will be digging dirt if you want to live dumb ass. How do you plan to preserve or cook your food, if you can't dig a hole? How do you plan to gather food, if you won't dig up wild root vegetables.

You are just fucking retarded. You couldn't live two days at a remote rest stop. That is why you are childish and pathetic.

[Res Publica Americana]

My ten-year-old nephew has successfully hunted before, and all he had was safety supervision, so the only time I'd communicate at all with him was to warn him not to stick the gun in his mouth, so to speak.

I bet His Holy Obesity, Tarzan Junior, hasn't even walked more than 100 feet in his fat fucking life history. Fuck him.

[John]

RPA,

There is a whole sub culture of people who hunt with primitive weapons. It is a world beyond using firearms. If you really though gamboling is the way, that would be the first skill you would learn because Remington Arms won't be operating in gambol paradise.

[Res Publica Americana]

That dumbass wouldn't be able to hunt if you tied down a fucking buffalo, placed a .50 BMG Barrett on a fixed mount, and aimed it for him. His finger wouldn't fit in the fucking trigger guard.

[Mean Girl]

John, you're such a patsy. Sheesh.

[Pathetic John]

Primitive skills does not a non-State lifeway make. You're pathetic, John.

[cw]

Don't hold your breath: WI will make the perfect the enemy of the good. He does. Every. Time.

[Libertards are Enemies of Good]

Primitives are only enemies of agricultural city-STATISM.

[Lame Objections to Primitivism]

5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They're Wrong
by Jason Godesky | 26 October 2005

http://www.rewild.info/anthrop.....yre-wrong/

[Lame Objections to Primitivism]

Objection #1. Isn't it hypocritical of primitivists to use modern technology? If they want to live primitively so badly, why don't they just run off into the woods already and do it?

Objection #5. Primitivists are genocidal maniacs whose planned "utopia" requires them to orchestrate the mass murder of 99% of the human population!

[John]

If you really believe in the lifestyle, you go live it. People do all of the time. If you think something is the way to be, you go be it. If you don't, then you really don't believe what you say.

[People do all of the time.]

Who?

Living in the woods by yourself isn't a non-state tribal lifeway, you Kansas nitwit.

[John]

But living in a group is. And even a lone it is a lot closer to it than sitting around Pittsburgh stuffing your fat face. If you believe in that life, there is a reward to doing it. And you want to get as close to it as you can. People who truly believe such things spend their life trying to get as close to it as they possibly can. They don't sit around talking shit updating their facebook pages.

[Res Publica Americana]

His excuse is that he has to convert the human race before he leaves for the paradise of wilderness, John. How is it that you don't see that?! It's his sacred duty, and he is honor-bound to Mother Gaia and the Holy Tree to complete his mission before he sets out for the ultimate leap -- into mom's backyard shrubbery in a tent (until supper)!

[John]

LOL That is what is so funny. Is that there really are people out there who believe the primitive life is the life. They go out and hunt with bolos and shit. There is a whole sub culture of extreme survivalist where you go out and truly live off of the land. If you really believed the shit these people claim to, you would be a part of that culture and out every moment you could preparing to and enjoying that life as much as you can. The fact that they do none of that just shows how pathetic they are.

[John NA is completely occupied]

If a Non-State society lifeway was possible, the Indians wouldn't have been shoved onto reservations.

You're just lying. Really, a bald-faced Kansas liar.

A few people keeping up re-wilding skills does not a Non-State lifeway make.

[John]

So because you can't live the exact tribal life you want, you won't even try and instead spend your time stuffing your face with cheese burgers. Got it. You are pathetic. You can do a lot. And if you thought that life was the way to live, you would be doing that because the closer you get to the ideal, the happier you are. Instead, you sit around and talk shit like a 12 year old pretending to be a vampire or a wizard. Get over it. You are pathetic.

[Pathetic John]

Denies all aggression, just like any liberal or progressive city-Statist. Liberards are just as pathetic as the LEFTISTS.

[John]

And you are too fat and lazy to learn or try to live the life you claim is the good life. If primitive tribalism is the way, then learning the skills necessary to do it is a reward in itself. But you don't do that because you are fat lazy fuck who doesn't actually believe a word you are saying.

[I'm not too fat, too lazy,]

nor am I jason godesky. John, you believe in God and other fantasies, and I understand your inability to grasp reality. You're weird.

[cw]

Boy, you really hate Kansas, you bigot.

[Res Publica Americana]

Kansas is actually pretty nice, but Pittsburgh wasn't all that pleasant, so fuck you sideways, cheesedick.

[AuH20]

So, I had an idea for a new version of incif: You have to add people to see comments. So, if you want to see me, you have to type in "AuH20". Any other handle, you can't see.

I think that this would screw the griefer strategy of changing handles.

[Reason Cleaning Staff]

all are blocked except those who are not blocked.

[AuH20]

That's the plan, chump.

[Liber-Griefers steal WI name]

That why he no use it anymore.

[cw]

I didn't know you could own a name, at least according to your idea of property.

[Do libertarians honor IP?]

Or not? hmmm?

Definitely not, in practice.

[rathernot]

silence

[cw]

You would know there is a great libertarian divide over IP if you actually knew more about libertarianism.

[Libertarian]

We must immediately regulate this comment board!

[Tulpa]

It's called whitelisting... Reasonable is capable of doing that, iirc.

[Reason Cleaning Staff]

HEY Mr. White Indian, are you twitter?

[the bilover]

Hey, was someone looking for me?

[STEVE SMITH]

STEVE SMITH LOOK FOR BILOVER, SHOW HER GOOD TIME!!!!

[ryan]

980? REALLY?

[P Brooks]

I watched a couple of episodes of Walking Dead. I decided I really wasn't all that interested in what happened to any of those people, so I stopped watching. Kind of like that alien invasion thing (Failing skies?).

I'm still on the fence about the transcontinental railway one.

[Res Publica Americana]

I'm waiting for the survivors in 'The Walking Dead' to finally meet up with that heavily armed citizen-army already. Some huge-ass mega-battles would be fucking awesome.

[Sy]

thousandth?

[Next, do your 1040]

[P Brooks]

5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They're Wrong How to refute Them

1) Stick fingers in ears.

2) Close eyes tightly.

3) Yell "LALALALALALALALALALALALA" as loudly as possible while jumping up and down.

[Refute away, Brooks]

I'm looking forward to it. Unless you think you already did it. LOL Tyical Libertard.

[Res Publica Americana]

I have it on good authority that a homeless ex-terrorist once took a shit that smelled nearly as bad as your intellectual dishonesty, Injun.

[Can't refute anything, Res?]

It's ok, Res. Just admit you're as beaten as you think any tribe on a reservation is now.

Thinks are a changin'.

[Res Publica Americana]

The only thing that's going to change is your dad's going to make you pay rent and utilities for the basement, asshole. You could just cut off slices of lard and fat and sell those, of course, but being a fat fuck makes you what you are. Otherwise, the only identifier we'd have for you would be "retard".

[Res Retarda Americana]

There's your sign.

[Res Publica Americana]

Mom letting her bushes and evergreens grow out of control isn't a sign that civilization will collapse anytime soon, Inju. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Hairy Nipples?]

Res, leave that info to yourself, especially about Mom's.

[Res Publica Americana]

It must be awesome, Injun, right? Being able to suck your own tits, that is.

[Anything wrong with that?]

You seem interested in my body.

Does my body fascinate you?

It fascinates me.

Can we continue our mutual fascination, together?

[Sevo]

"Thinks are a changin'."
When is that rapture?

[Ask Ray Kurzweil]

He's into that rapture shit.

[Robert]

She admitted using drugs in the highly watched TV interview,

She couldn't stop even for that short a time?!

[D.C.C]

Greating Reasoniods, this the new head of Reason's Department of Commentor Control. It has come to my attention that my predessor was excessively lentiant on some of the worse offenders of the Reason Commentor Code of Conduct. In paticular he failed to control the increasingly dangerous posts of one White Indian who has lead a reign of terror against sanity and civil discourse on many comment threads in both the main articles and the Hit and Run blog posts. Therefore I have decided to implement a 24 hour gambol lock down. Any commentor attempting to pointlessly ramble on about the ridiculous theories of one Jason Godskesky, post spam about bilovers, or even take about the benefits of the farting in jars lifestyle will have to bring their business elsewhare. Any attempts to defy this edict will result in inmidiate banning of the offenders IPO from the comment threads of Reason.Com now and forever. I hope you will all learn to accept this edict and know that I do this with great reluctence, and that I have no desire to establish a totalitrain regieme over the comment threads. I hope that you will all realize that I am doing this for your own good and remember that reason is dedicated to the maintenence of free markets and free minds so long as these freedoms are not abused.

sincerely
,
I. V. Dzhugashvili, head of the Reason Department of Commetor Control.

[Spellcheck]

Call me.

[D.C.C]

Hello

[Teh Rael White Indian]

I FULLZ THEM, I FOOLZ THIM...

[Francisco d Anconia]

Can you reinstate first's privileges? He actually had good spam.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Damn, maybe he was serious...

I just got marked as spam.

[Suthenboy]

Speaking of gamboling and hunting and gathering and such.....
We have had such a mild winter that the ducks delayed their usual migration. All duck season there were hardly any ducks. Now that the season is over there are whords of them. Off and on I have been going out on the back porch cleaning out and refilling the hot tub....all day ducks flying overhead and splashing and quacking down at the bayou. I think the WF guys passed out schedules to the ducks before the season started. I walk down there and the ducks dont even fly away....just laugh at me.

[John]

They know. They just know. Don't ask me how but they do.

[Suthenboy]

That is right...they do. I hunted in Bolivia once on the altiplano. There isnt a bush or a rock or anything to hide behind. You can see the ducks a mile away, and they can see you. I learned that trying to be sneaky was a mistake. The ducks knew exactly how far my range was, and two steps from being in range, they would fly.
I figured out that if you ambled around seemingly unconcerned, and didnt look at them, you could get within easy range. In other words, they read body language.
How they knew the range of the gun is a mystery.

[burnt]

Every year, within a day or two of the end of duck season, I have mallards swimming within 30 feet of my boat while fishing, during the season they won't get within miles of a boat they can see.

[burnt]

Every year, within a day or two of the end of duck season, I have mallards swimming within 30 feet of my boat while fishing, during the season they won't get within miles of a boat they can see.

[Res Publica Americana]

Shoot them, and fuck the police.

[John]

Do you know how big of a fuck job that is if you get caught hunting out of season? No way.

[Game Warden]

You must have a license, anywhere.

[Suthenboy]

John is right...migratory waterfowl....feds. Deep deep deep shit. Like prison time deep shit.

[Res Publica Americana]

Wait until the next season and take rabid vengeance. Show them why Man is Empire, why Man is God! Or something equally badass.

[Mr Whipple]

In NJ, you can't even kill a fucking horseshoe crab because the migratory red knot is dependent on their eggs. That, and the drug companies need their blood. There's gold in them thar copper mines!

[Mr Whipple]

In NJ, you can't even kill a fucking horseshoe crab because the migratory red knot is dependent on their eggs. That, and the drug companies need their blood. There's gold in them thar copper mines!

[Mr Whipple]

In NJ, you can't even kill a fucking horseshoe crab because the migratory red knot is dependent on their eggs. That, and the drug companies need their blood. There's gold in them thar copper mines!

[Mr Whipple]

In NJ, you can't even kill a fucking horseshoe crab because the migratory red knot is dependent on their eggs. That, and the drug companies need their blood. There's gold in them thar copper mines!

[Mr Whipple]

Hey, the needle's stuck!

http://www.michaelhudson.com/h.....6809xsmall

[Francisco d Anconia]

They are still here in MT. It was almost 50F here today. Thousands upon thousands of Canadians here still too. Unheard of this late.

[cw]

It's been pretty cold where I am in this glorious state. Like 17F.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Where are you?

[Francisco d Anconia]

R U in MT?

[cw]

Yes.

[Francisco d Anconia]

I'm in Great Falls. U?

[cw]

Helena. :0)

[Richard Manning is in MT]

Richard Manning on the Psychosis of Civilization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5iBOXcoP_8

[cw]

Are you incapable of talking about anything other than your anarcho-primitivist religion?

[Cytotoxic]

Canadian geese right? You're not talking about hunting Canadians right? Yeah. We're much better as America's comic relief.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Yeah, geese. They won't let us shoot the other. 😉

[cw]

Just remember kids:

If you have a runny nose, blame AGRICULTURE.

If you find yourself picking your butt, blame AGRICULTURE.

If mommy and daddy aren't getting along, blame AGRICULTURE.

ALL HAIL THE WILDS! DOWN WITH THE agriCULTURAL city-STATE!

[John]

And if you can't gambol your way to true happiness in the tribal life, eat as much as you want and live in comfort. Don't spend any time learnign about this life or acquiring any of the skills necessary to live it. And whatever you do don't exert yourself to get at least a taste of the good life. Nope. Just sit on your ass and eat and get fat. Deprive yourself of the real life.

[Res Publica Americana]

You forgot "don't exert yourself in any attempts to move. Movement will cause expenditure of calories. White Injun High Law #1: Don't expect your fucking calories. Heil Fatass!"

[Res Publica Americana]

*or expend, but yeah

[cw blames "government"]

"Agriculture creates government." ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p. 73

Government is an inseparable facet of agricultural city-Statism.

[John]

But you won't ever get off of your ass and learn any of the skills necessary to live without agriculture or do anything to stop depending on it. No. That would be hard. Jess, you might have to skip a meal or two.

Pathetic son. Just pathetic.

[Wrong John]

We're doing plenty. You're not invited.

[Res Publica Americana]

Playing doctor with Fat Ronnie and Aunt Robert in a tent on the front lawn isn't something John would be interested in, I dare presume.

[DoctorDoctor Give me the news!]

[cw]

What, exactly, are you doing? I'm honestly curious.

[Rewilding. Going feral.]

Look it up.

http://rewild.info/extension.p.....ction=Blog

http://goingferal.wordpress.com/

[Anonymous Coward]

Who is Richard Manning and why should I care what he thinks?

[sloopyinca]

Show Dick some respect!

/John Bender

[Anonymous Coward]

But does the school equipped with fire exits at both ends of the library?

[Suthenboy]

Besides, I have a few in the freezer. I think tomorrow is duck a l'orange day

[Res Publica Americana]

Real men eat Burger King seventeen times a day. White Injun told me so. Duck and cooking and stuff is for civilized people, whereas Burger King is counter to the agricultural city-state, and is an acceptable source of sustenance for true gambollers.

[Gambol your ass to Burger King]

[Jason Godesky]

Libertarians seem interested in my body.

Why does Jason's body fascinate libertarians?

Jason is fascinated with Jason's body.

Can we continue our mutual Libertarian-Jason body fascination together?

[Libertarians = 3rd grade.]

Conservatives = 8 grade.

Liberals actually graduated.

That's the honest truth of the matter.

[cw]

PWN'D!

[rathernot]

silence

[Women]

We line up for guys like Jason... to see which one gets to ignore him first when he makes passes at us.

[P Brooks]

"Agriculture creates government."

Fekkin ANTZ; always keeping the grasshoppers down. It's oppression, is what it is.

[cw]

Ants used to embrace the primitivist way, but then they succumbed to the disease of agriculture.

[Ants don't annihilate other]

...species and live an evolutionarily unstable lifeway like human city-Statists do.

[CityStatism=evolution unstable]

evolutionarily unstable

[cw]

They certainly war with each other.

http://www.world-science.org/p.....-wage-war/

And last time I checked, millions of species have died off over the eons well before the advent of the agriCULTURAL city-STATE.

[War = a staple of Civilization]

The Origins of War
by John Zerzan
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20298938/Ze.....ins-of-War

[cw]

Violence decreasing, civilization carries on.

http://online.wsj.com/article/.....08180.html

[Pinker = Statist Deception]

Steven Pinker's Stinker on the Origins of War
Did Steven Pinker knowingly mislead his audience at TED?
http://www.psychologytoday.com.....rigins-war

Steven Pinker's Statist Gospel
Tuesday, October 18, 2011
http://freedominourtime.blogsp.....ospel.html

[War Street Journal]

What else would you expect from the War Street Journal, cw?

[cw]

War Street Journal

Hahaha. So very clever.

[rathernot]

silence

[cw]

Yep. Pinker's just an apologist for the agriCULTURAL city-STATE. Got it.

[correct, cw]

At least Pinker has been called out as a liar at Psychology Today.

[cw]

And the commenters on that article eviscerate the author. And it's easy to call people liars. You're a liar. There.

[Pinker is wrong because...]

...he picks people well into domestication.

Domestication is the beginning of greatly increased human hierarchy, violence, sacrifice religions, and cannibalism, and, eventually, agricultural city-Statism.

[cw]

Alright. I'm through with this thread.

Peace.

[Sevo]

cw,
Vermin shit's "arguments" have been de-bunked via logic and fact more times than there are days in a year. Vermin shit has no real "arguments"; vermin shit has a religion.
It is a waste of your time and bandwidth to counter that religion; faith will out.

[Soviet Political Officer Sevo]

Thinks "dislike" equals "debunked." It's his wish that you also think that.

[Sevo]

Knows "debunked" = "debunked", and it's vermin shit's wish that it wasn't so.

[Soviet Political Officer Sevo]

Da, Comrade Sevo.

[Sevo]

Nyet, comrade asshole.

[Cytotoxic]

Okay...guys...one more time: STOP FUCKING FEEDING IT.

And please more Herc!

[Can't stand the truth, toxic?]

Just beg for more pap.

[John et al]

STOP FUCKING FEEDING IT

WE can't. We're sick too.

[SIV]

Jesus Fucking Christ

I don't have to read a single comment to know this thread is wackier than crack.

[you sound like a progressivist]

[Teh Rael White Indian]

Come join us, SIV....

[What happened to Tiger on Sund]

The pretenders were as obedient as ever and folded early, just like they always seemed to when Tiger Woods was in his prime.

Still mostly ahead of him was a course he knew well, one where he once rewrote the record books. Beside him was a player he knew well, a guy who used to always look for an excuse to blink.

It was the perfect opportunity to put more than two years of misery behind him. The perfect time to make the statement that, yes, he was finally back.

Unfortunately, there's nothing perfect about Tiger Woods anymore.

He used to threaten to make history every time he teed off. Now he just makes excuses, and they all sound the same.

He says he's at peace with himself, and that may well be true. Put him in a red shirt on Sunday, though, and the demons seem to all come back.

It happened last time out in Dubai, when a mop-haired Englishman who had won only one time in his career stared him down in the final round. It happened again on Sunday at Pebble Beach, where he seemed to be trying so hard not to fail that he gave himself no chance to succeed.

Phil Mickelson blew by him like Woods was playing in the pro-am instead of teeing it up with the big boys. Things got so bad you almost wanted him to move up to the forward tees, where at least his amateur partner Tony Romo was finding some success.

He walked up the 18th fairway to the cheers everyone expected when the day began. But they were for Mickelson, who had walked ahead of him after stiffing a wedge to the final green.

It got worse. Mickelson was already in the hole for his final round 64 when Woods lipped out one final short putt for a big, fat 75. He could have ? make that should have ? putted out before Mickelson to avoid the final embarrassment, but Woods never really practiced the proper etiquette for finishing out of contention.

For what seems like forever now we've been asking what's wrong with Tiger. Now the question becomes what's wrong with Tiger on Sunday?

The record books will show he lost by nine shots in a tournament he trailed by only two on the final day. Even worse, he was thrashed by Mickelson, his playing partner, by a stunning 11 shots.

Say what you will about his game getting so much better that he has been in contention in his four more recent tournaments. This would have never happened to the Tiger Woods of old.

He didn't always win on Sundays, even if it seemed that way. But he was never blown out the way Mickelson disposed of him on a course where he was once untouchable.

"Anything I tried to do wasn't working," Woods said. "What was frustrating was I had a chance, all I had to do was get off to a good, solid start today and I didn't do that."

Actually, the start wasn't all that bad. It was the middle, where Woods missed two short putts in a row and made three bogeys in a row that destroyed what little chance he had left. By then his body language had conceded defeat, even if he hadn't.

To put his round in perspective, only four of the 68 players who teed off on the final day shot worse. On a day Pebble Beach was there for the taking, Woods got taken.

And then the excuses began.

"I didn't hit it as bad as the score indicated, but I putted awful," he said. "I just could not see my lines. I couldn't get comfortable."

For those keeping score at home, he hasn't won a real tournament (I don't count the 16-man invitational he hosts and won in December, though Woods does) in 27 months; hasn't won on the PGA Tour in 29 months. It's been nearly four years since he won his last major at Torrey Pines, and he's now 36 with a history of knee issues.

That doesn't mean he's not going to win again. He surely will, because he's still immensely talented. But those wins will come sporadically instead of in bunches, the way they used to.

The majors will be more problematic. Woods might still win a Masters or two, if only because he knows where to play every shot, every putt, at Augusta National. He might pick up a stray British Open or maybe a PGA Championship, assuming that he can get himself to believe once again that he becomes invincible when he puts on his Sunday red.

The majors are how Woods keeps score, and right now Jack Nicklaus is still ahead 18-14. It was almost a foregone conclusion after the U.S. Open in 2008 that he would catch Nicklaus, but my guess now is he never will.

His personal issues and constant swing tinkering threw him a curve ball that will be tough to recover from. But it's more his putting now, with his nerves betraying him on short putts that were always gimmes in his prime. That happens to golfers as they age, and it's happening to even the great Tiger Woods.

The golf season is well underway, with Los Angeles next week the last tournament on the West Coast swing. The Masters awaits less than two months from now, and it's entirely conceivable his winless streak will be even longer by then.

Tiger Woods in red on Sunday used to mean something.

Now he's become just another player, wearing another color.

[White Indian]

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The ideal society

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[City-Statists don't think so]

[White Indian]

That was supposed to be a joke.

[City-Statists don't think so]

[White Indian]

Power (physics)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For other types of power, see Power (disambiguation).
In physics, power is the rate at which energy is transferred, used, or transformed. For example, the rate at which a light bulb transforms electrical energy into heat and light is measured in watts?the more wattage, the more power, or equivalently the more electrical energy is used per unit time.[1][2]

Energy transfer can be used to do work, so power is also the rate at which this work is performed. The output power of an electric motor is the product of the torque the motor generates and the angular velocity of its output shaft. The power expended to move a vehicle is the product of the traction force of the wheels and the velocity of the vehicle.

The integral of power over time defines the work done. Because this integral depends on the trajectory of the point of application of the force and torque, this calculation of work is said to be "path dependent."

Ansel Adams photograph of Electrical Wires of the Boulder Dam Power Units, 1941-1942.Contents [hide]
1 Units
2 Average power
3 Mechanical power
3.1 Mechanical advantage
4 Electrical power
5 Peak power and duty cycle
6 Power in optics
7 See also
8 References

[edit] UnitsThe dimension of power is energy divided by time . The SI unit of power is the watt (W), which is equal to one joule per second. Other units of power include ergs per second (erg/s), horsepower (hp), metric horsepower (Pferdest?rke (PS) or cheval vapeur, CV), and foot-pounds per minute. One horsepower is equivalent to 33,000 foot-pounds per minute, or the power required to lift 550 pounds by one foot in one second, and is equivalent to about 746 watts. Other units include dBm, a relative logarithmic measure with 1 milliwatt as reference; (food) calories per hour (often referred to as kilocalories per hour); Btu per hour (Btu/h); and tons of refrigeration (12,000 Btu/h).

[edit] Average powerAs a simple example, burning a kilogram of coal releases much more energy than does detonating a kilogram of TNT,[3] but because the TNT reaction releases energy much more quickly, it delivers far more power than the coal. If ?W is the amount of work performed during a period of time of duration ?t, the average power Pavg over that period is given by the formula

It is the average amount of work done or energy converted per unit of time. The average power is often simply called "power" when the context makes it clear.

The instantaneous power is then the limiting value of the average power as the time interval ?t approaches zero.

In the case of constant power P, the amount of work performed during a period of duration T is given by:

In the context of energy conversion it is more customary to use the symbol E rather than W.

[edit] Mechanical powerPower in mechanical systems is the combination of forces and movement. In particular, power is the product of a force on an object and the object's velocity, or the product of a torque on a shaft and the shaft's angular velocity.

Mechanical power is also described as the time derivative of work. In mechanics, the work done by a force F on an object that travels along a curve C is given by the line integral:

where x defines the path C and v is the velocity along this path. The time derivative of the equation for work yields the instantaneous power,

In rotational systems, power is the product of the torque ? and angular velocity ?,

where ? measured in radians per second.

In fluid power systems such as hydraulic actuators, power is given by

where p is pressure in pascals, or N/m2 and Q is volumetric flow rate in m3/s in SI units.

[edit] Mechanical advantageIf a mechanical system has no losses then the fact that the input power must equal the output power provides a simple formula for the mechanical advantage of the system.

Let the input power to a device be a force FA acting on a point that moves with velocity vA and the output power be a force FB acts on a point that moves with velocity vB. If there are no losses in the system, then

and the mechanical advantage of the system is given by

A similar relationship is obtained for rotating systems, where TA and ?A are the torque and angular velocity of the input and TB and ?B are the torque and angular velocity of the output. If there are no losses in the system, then

which yields the mechanical advantage

[edit] Electrical powerMain article: Electric power
The instantaneous electrical power P delivered to a component is given by

where

P(t) is the instantaneous power, measured in watts (joules per second)
V(t) is the potential difference (or voltage drop) across the component, measured in volts
I(t) is the current through it, measured in amperes
If the component is a resistor with time-invariant voltage to current ratio, then:

where

is the resistance, measured in ohms.

[edit] Peak power and duty cycle
In a train of identical pulses, the instantaneous power is a periodic function of time. The ratio of the pulse duration to the period is equal to the ratio of the average power to the peak power. It is also called the duty cycle (see text for definitions).In the case of a periodic signal s(t) of period T, like a train of identical pulses, the instantaneous power p(t) = | s(t) | 2 is also a periodic function of period T. The peak power is simply defined by:

P0 = max[p(t)].
The peak power is not always readily measurable, however, and the measurement of the average power Pavg is more commonly performed by an instrument. If one defines the energy per pulse as:

then the average power is:

.
One may define the pulse length ? such that so that the ratios

are equal. These ratios are called the duty cycle of the pulse train.

[edit] Power in opticsMain article: Optical power
In optics, or radiometry, the term power sometimes refers to radiant flux, the average rate of energy transport by electromagnetic radiation, measured in watts. The term "power" is also, however, used to express the ability of a lens or other optical device to focus light. It is measured in dioptres (inverse metres), and equals the inverse of the focal length of the optical device.

[edit] See alsoSimple machines
Mechanical advantage
Motive power
Orders of magnitude (power)
Pulsed power
Intensity ? in the radiative sense, power per area
Power gain ? for linear, two-port networks.
[edit] References^ Chapter 6 ? 7 Power Halliday and Resnick, Fundamentals of Physics 1974.
^ Chapter 13, ? 3, pp 13-2,3 The Feynman Lectures on Physics Volume I, 1963
^ Burning coal produces around 15-30 megajoules per kilogram, while burning TNT produces about 4.7 megajoules per kilogram. For the coal value, see Fisher, Juliya (2003). "Energy Density of Coal". The Physics Factbook. http://hypertextbook.com/facts.....her.shtml. Retrieved 30 May 2011. For the TNT value, see the article TNT equivalent.
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[Chris]

Whitney Houston was an addict, and the so-called "drug wars" had nothing to do with her becoming an addict, nor did they present an obstacle to her getting help. No one who checks into a rehab clinic, gets put in jail.

Yes, there is a stigma to abusing drugs or alcohol, and that stigma should remain, as drug and alcohol abuse destroy lives. People who want help, especially multi=millionaires with access to high-end discreet rehab clinics, can get help if they want it.

Ultimately, recovery starts with the individual, not with anyone else.

As for drugs, I do not have a problem with them being legalized for adults (still with driving and other activities under the influence kept illegal), but I do not anticipate that will encourage anyone to get treatment who has not already got it before.

People get help when they are ready to get help. Period.

[XM]

I don't understand the question posed by the article either. Why would the drug war deter Whitney Houston from seeking help? Celebrities engage in questionable activities all the time.

If drugs were legal and I was married to a female equivalent of Bobby Brown..... yeah, I would be an addict.

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[College football playoff gaini]

Iraq's capital is embracing Valentine's Day this year with a huge public display of affection in what its residents say is the nation's most amorous celebration of the holiday ever.

Street corners across Baghdad are blanketed with the synthetic red fur of teddy bears, while silken nighties and lip-shaped satin pillows hang in store fronts.

It's a vivid counterpoint to a place that's still a far cry from warm and fuzzy ? with bombings remaining a fact of life since the withdrawal of U.S. forces two months ago.

"Valentine's Day is for everybody ? not only for lovers," said Lina, a school administrator who would only identify herself by her first name. She was among the throngs browsing through an array of plush kittens, scented candles, red lamps and heart-shaped purses outside a store this weekend in the Baghdad downtown shopping district of Karradah.

"It's for you and I, for me and my brother, even for someone on the street. It's not just about me and my fiance," Lina said. "Iraqis need happy moments to make them forget what they have been through ? we have had enough sadness."

After decades of war and dictator rule, and with improving security, Iraqis say they are able to relax and enjoy Valentine's this year. Others believe the recent burst of text messages, mobile phones and use of the Internet among Iraqi youth has helped foster romance like never before.

But Valentine's Day may come with its own baggage.

Conservative Muslims, from Indonesia to Saudi Arabia, have strongly frowned on the holiday's growing popularity around the world as an encouragement of perceived Western decadence and premarital sex.

Last year, Iran banned cards, gifts and other tokens of the day, which tradition says is named after one of several early Christian martyrs. Saudi Arabia's feared religious police launched patrols each year to stamp out any stores displaying too much red or selling heart-shaped products this time of year.

So far, however, Iraq appears to be drifting the way of other Middle East centers such as Dubai or Beirut that stock shelves high with chocolates, flowers and other trappings of the day.

Some Iraqis are using the day to proclaim that love conquers all ? including studying.

At the Technology Institute in Baghdad's southeastern Zafaraniyah area, students will hold a months-delayed meet-and-greet for university freshmen on Tuesday. Usually the gathering is held in December when the semester began, but 21-year-old Muataz Mohammed said scheduling it for Valentine's Day might more easily stoke friendships.

"It is a very special day," said Mohammed, who plans to wear a red shirt and carry red roses to the party. Women students are planning to wear red shirts and headscarves.

From his Karradah storefront, Abdul-Wahab Abdul-Rahaman has watched toddler-sized red teddy bears and plush hearts in high demand this year. He speculates it's because young lovers now meet and talk more frequently with the help of their mobile phones.

Mobile phones, satellite TV and the Internet were virtually banned during Saddam's regime, and the war and rampant violence after his ouster discouraged tech companies from marketing Iraq until the last few years.

"The new communication means help making relationships between the sexes faster than before," Abdul-Wahab said. "I think I will sell all my Valentine's Day products as the occasion is becoming more popular among Iraqis year after year."

Iraq remains a relatively conservative society, and only recently have many unmarried couples dared to be without a chaperone in public.

Picking out gifts for each other in Karradah, Simaa Riyadh, 27, said she believes more lovers are open with their affections. Her fiance, Ammar Riyadh, said he feels security is good enough now to show a little tenderness.

"It's a wonderful day," Riyadh said, smiling.

[dunphy]

for sloopy et al,. here's one of the athletes i had the privilege to train with, and who is infinitely more accomplished than me.

she is the strongest woman lb for lb EVER in the US, and imo one of the most inspirational female athletes, going to the olympics years after her theoretical prime (see: injuries) and as a business owner, wife of a state legislator, and a mother of 3

THIS is a major achiever

when you train with people like this, you learn to be as humble as i am 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_65N5VkxRQ

BAD ASS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLVjca5EqVY

so get out of yer mama's basement and do something, sloops!

[Tommy Jones]

I still cant believe that she is gone. So so sad.

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[RoboCain]

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[neil]

i also can't believe.sosososo sad.
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[Qualified Therapists]

Whitney's death is a great loss, especially to her close family and friends. This is so sad. She could have received completely confidential counciling from a qualified therapist online. Sad,so very sad....