Ron Paul's Campaign Defends Its Successes
A press release from the Ron Paul campaign on the heels of the three nonbinding votes of yesterday (in which Paul came in a strong second in Minnesota, above supposed frontrunner Romney but still far behind the mysterious rise of Rick Santorum) makes the case for a Paul campaign that has been more successful than the media or public might recognize:
[Paul's campaign manager John Tate says]:
"As people across the country view the results of yesterday's contests, it is important to consider a few facts that have not been clearly reported. Not one single delegate was awarded yesterday, instead the caucuses in Minnesota and Colorado were the very first step in the delegate selection process. And there are still over 40 states left to go. The Ron Paul campaign plans to continue to vie for delegates nationwide….
1) The Missouri primary means nothing. It was a non-binding beauty contest, and the contest that matters in the 'show me' state won't take place for another month. The Ron Paul campaign is well positioned to win delegates in Missouri's caucus a month from now.
2) As in Iowa where not 1 of the 28 delegates has been awarded yet, in Colorado and Nevada the Paul campaign will do very well in the state delegate counts. We will have good numbers among the actual delegates awarded, far exceeding our straw poll numbers.
3) In Minnesota where we have finished a solid second, we also have a strong majority of the state convention delegates, and the process to elect delegates has also just begun, the Paul campaign is well-organized to win the bulk of delegates there.
"We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign's delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:
In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.
In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.
In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.
We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.
"We may well win Minnesota, and do far better in Colorado than yesterday's polls indicate.
"In the latest national poll from Reuters/Ipsos Poll, Ron Paul places a strong second with 21 percent, gaining ground on his main competitor nationally, Mitt Romney, whose support seems to be fading at 29 percent. Congressman Paul's support has grown by 5 percentage points nationally since January, while Romney has seen a 30 percent decline in his support since January.
"This poll follows a January 30th Gallup Poll showing Dr. Paul within the margin of error of defeating Obama. Also, a January 16th CNN/ORC Poll showed Congressman Paul and Obama in a virtual tie in a general election showdown.
Politico on Paul's Minnesota efforts that led him to second place there. My forthcoming book, Ron Paul's Revolution.
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All this delegate strategy news is pretty exciting, but I wonder if it's liable to cause an utter shitstorm when GOPers realize huge swaths of the official representation have been co-opted by a minority faction. Not that I'm complaining!
a minority faction
The minority faction consisting of people waking to the possibility of complete financial meltdown, the breakdown of law and order, and to the fact that the majority of the contenders who'd like the job of dealing with these issues have openly expressed, in words or actions, that they would only make these problems worse.
sorry, what was your point?
Read the next sentence.
it's asking enough that I read beyond the headline before commentoring, now you want me to read posts all the way through?
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Why, lily, I hardly know you.
GOP: "OMG! We have been co-opted!"
Neo-cons: "We have been bested at our own game!"
Marxtards: "Uh... Huh?"
Speaking of which, I'm also a bit concerned about the campaign trumpeting these successes too much, as it could lead to the establishment working harder to quash further delegate gains.
Yeah, it's a tough call to make. You want to hope that the media will treat you as a viable option and so you give them reasons. But at what point do you realize that isn't going to happen no matter what so just keep your strategy to yourself.
Where's RPA to tell us we need to attend the convention, armed, and stage a Ron Paul coup?
Give him time, it's hard to type quickly when you type with your fists.
No offense, FoE.
That's the worst defense.
I thought FoE typed with his extra testicle.
Practice makes perfect.
What the hell's wrong with you, Jim? Do you WANT The Department of Trolland Security to indefinitely detain me for domestic terrorism, or what?
*Fury*
Re: Bee Tagger,
It may be already too late for the GOP to do anything about it, short of not letting the delegates vote or totally disavowing Paul, which they will not dare to do.
However,
Don't leave me hanging you aged resident of Aztlan.
Also, the media types and election junkies *love* the idea of a brokered convention in general (even more so if it would mean chaos for the GOP, but simply as a matter of principle they'd love it.)
I'm guessing this is not at all news to the establishment. Their spreading of disingenuous delegate counts, trumpeting of straw poll beauty contest numbers, etc, are all attempts to demoralize the Paul base, I reckon. To contrast, these delegate reports by the campaign are brilliant at firing up the RP troops.
Has Reason officially endorsed Ron Paul's candidacy?
No.
Does Reason ever endorse political candidates?
I'm fairly certain this is a "No." Can anyone confirm?
Reason, the website, magazine, and organization can not endorse a political candidate because it is a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization.
Reason, the disembodied concept, can not endorse a political candidate because it lacks agency.
Reason's employees may personally endorse a candidate. They all did this in 2008.
Reason en masse endorsed Obama. Look at it. LOOK AT IT.
Meh, the core group (you know who I mean) almost entirely went with Barr or didn't vote. The only two of that group who went Obama were Bailey and Cavanaugh.
You have to read between the lines.
"The only two of that group who went Obama were Bailey and Cavanaugh."
Such a shameful history to bear.
While I love to deride them for this, I don't really blame them.
The choices in 2008 were:
GOP: Old white veteran w/ questionable fiscal credentials and a tendency to growl
DEM: Smooth talking obviously full of shit youngish black man w/ vague slogans and prior positions that included ending marijuana prohibition.
LIB: Fucking Bob Barr, the congressman who made it a requirement for the office of drug control policy to 'support national drug control policy' regardless of their beliefs (i.e. lie for the status quo).
Write-in
Or not voting.
Personally I wrote-in "Paul/Claus"
McCain actually had very good fiscal credentials. His bad credentials were on civil liberties of all sorts.
He's also the sort that tends to think that regulations are *free* compared to direct government spending, though he is good on free trade.
After looking at that. Two big fucking thumbs up for Shikha Dalmia. Let me give her response for all of you sloths who are too lazy to look.
Who are you voting for in November [2008]
"None of the above. I am afraid of McCaesar's foreign policy agenda and Big Oracle's domestic policy agenda. As for Bob Barr, he is a duplicitous, double-talking SOB and I'd rather pluck out my right eye than vote for him. I will vote Republican for Congress, however, because I want divided government and I am positively petrified by the prospect of a Democratic super majority with Obama in White House. In general, however, I favor a Democrat permanently in the White House and Republicans permanently in Congress."
They are not allowed to because of their tax status.
what?
"Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct."
Here, let me Google that for you
Has Reason officially endorsed Barack Obama's candidacy?
Every now and then you will hear a mainstream media report acknowledging Ron Paul's strategy of focusing on the caucus states, but never a follow-up on how this strategy is fairing, delegate-wise. In Fox's case, I think they're just continuing their approach of only saying Ron Paul's name on rare occasions and never in a meaningful context. Pretend the delegate collection isn't happening and hope Romney, or anyone else, starts piling up the delegates that it won't matter what Paul does.
I'm not 100% certain how it all works, but my understanding is that the caucuses have two components, the straw vote and the delegate selection, while the primaries are just a vote that directly controls delegate apportionment. Here's a pretty helpful link listing vote totals and and delegate amounts for all the contests.
And based on that, the estimate for Paul is 28 delegates so far. I think we can safely assume that is the minimum number, if the strategy is really working.
Many of the caucus states are a two-step process. Local or county delegates are elected, and then *those* delegates go to a state convention that chooses the real delegates. The straw vote is a nonbinding suggestion of how the local delegates should vote at the state convention.
The state convention delegates can be "pledged," i.e., bound to support whomever the state convention says, or "unpledged," theoretically independent voices who can support whomever they want.
Almost all the caucus delegates so far are only local county delegates.
I caucused in Minneapolis last night. My precinct is in the ghetto. I was stunned that my fellow caucusers went for Santorum, who received 63% of the vote.
Fucking weird.
Are you a delegate to the convention?
No. I just wanted to see how the process worked at that level.
My advice to Ron Paul: don't charter any light aircraft, fly commercial.
No shit right? It'll be like the opening scene from La Bamba.
Wont matter
Just don't fly overseas.
teleconference, from a bunker.
It's the Only Way To Be Sure.
"What's a mountain goat doing way up here in the clouds?"
-Gary Larsen
OT: CNN reporter suspended for making "anti-gay" tweets during the Super Bowl:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cu.....22269.html
Those tweets are hysterical. Entirely for reasons Roland Martin never intended.
The mere fact that Roland Martin does something called "tweeting" on something called "twitter" shows that he's defective and his woman needs to send him back to the factory.
FOX News stupidly takes the bait: James Rosen disputes the Ron Paul delegate count
(Granted, this is a Daily Paul, post by somebody who just watched the news with Shep Smith. There's no video yet.)
Great for FOX News! Now the network will have to show where they get their numbers from in order to back up their claim, giving RP's campaign the opportunity for more press coverage which wll prompt a reply from the FNC talking heads. And the band played on.
"Great for FOX News! Now the network ill have to show where they get their numbers from in order to back up their claim"
Only if you assume that FOX News has any interest in following journalistic standards. They only defned themselves if someone goes on one of the talking head's show and disputes their report. Otherwise mums the word and the bulk of their viewers will eat it up without question.
From the WSJ count that agrees with this, they are going on a straight proportional distribution by popular vote as if each state were bound by the caucus votes to deliver in proportion to the popular vote.
CNN estimates Paul getting 20, based on a more realistic proportional calculation.
And Paul is claiming that in the selection of the county delegates, he's doing better than proportional.
I'm skeptical that the Paul campaign can really game the system this way (just as I'm skeptical of anything any campaign says), but if it's true then the primary process is even more ridiculous than I previously thought--and I've always thought it's pretty damn ridiculous. Why not just paint each candidate's name on a turtle and have the turtles race to determine the nominee?
Any candidate who wasn't polling at least 15% would have to have their turtle tested for steroids.
Here's why, for both the caucuses and the primaries there has to be a method to for choosing actual physical people to attend the national convention. When somebody amasses over half of the needed delegates this is irrelevant (though not for party platform, etc.) but in a potential brokered convention after first ballot all of the bound delegates can vote for whomever. There hasn't been a brokered convention in so long that people have forgotten about this. Each state has different rules but it always ends up being those most committed as you have to go to various levels of conventions to get to the national one. I'm not sure there is an easy way to do it.
THE FUCK YOU SAY?
Why? Obama won in this exact same way.
Not exactly the same. Obama got a higher percentage of straw poll votes in the lower turnout caucus states, but he still won the straw polls.
Paul is talking about doing a better job getting county delegates selected than the straw poll results would indicate.
Also, the Republican party has an amazingly awesome patchwork quilt of different systems. The Democratic Party is very regimented; there are only two systems to choose, the One True Caucus System and the Loyal Party Approved Primary System, each specified down to the tiniest detail.
Then there's a huge number of Superdelegates in the Dem Party to make sure hoi polloi don't get it wrong. (Reps have only 3 such per states.)
If you want your candidate to be represented, you should run for delegate.
I've been promoting this to libertarian activists for years. The attitude seems to be prevalent that the parties are entities controlled by bigwigs thru some mysterious agency. Guess what? The major parties are run by volunteer human beings, just like us. Frequently they don't have enough people who want to do the work, so there are opp'ties to become those people.
In this case, there simply aren't enough supporters of the other candidates to do the work of a political party, so Ron Paul supporters are filling those slots. You can do the same in your local political parties regarding their general operations; you don't have to wait for a presidential campaign.
OT: CNN reporter suspended for making "anti-gay" tweets during the Super Bowl:
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Are your anal beads fashioned after the heads of communist leaders?
Lenin's pointy beard would hurt more on the way out than on the way in, methinks.
Not that I would know anything about this...
Maybe Ron Paul is the turtle and Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich are all hares?
10,000 Students To Be Bused In For First Lady Exercise Event
Thousands of students, several well-known athletes and a number of politicians are expected to join Michelle Obama for an event in Des Moines that will promote exercise and healthy eating.
About 10,000 children will be bused to the event from 45 schools in the Des Moines area.
It will be Obama's first stop on a three-day national tour marking her Let's Move initiative
http://washington.cbslocal.com.....ise-event/
All financed by taxpayers, ain't it?
Shouldn't they be forced to walk or bicycle to the location? Riding a bus promotes laziness.
And think about all of the the fossil fuel wasted.
He Michelle, you wanna move? Just wait eleven more months.
Obama is for busing!
I think the strategy of going for delegates instead votes is going to backfire when they get to the states that award delegates based on votes.
It looks like it's going to take either 4 more years of Obama or 4 years of a Republican who loves the status quo for America to truly wake up. This will probably be Ron Paul's last bid for the White House, but I won't be at all surprised if Rand Paul makes his move in 2016, even if a Republican is currently President then.
Gary Johnson will still be around as well...
I do like Gary Johnson a lot and frequently check out his website. If he gets the LP nomination and Ron Paul fails to get the GOP nod he'll most likely get my vote in November.
Same here. I hope if/when Paul drops out he endorses Johnson, killing the GOP's chances in November. I want the GOP to see just how important the libertarian wing of the party is to them by losing bitterly.
What good will that do? Other wings of their party are even more important, and they can't afford to lose them by trying to pick up more libertarians.
Come on. EVERYONE knows that Ron Paul would be president now if reason hadn't been the ringleader of the newsletter smear campaign. tReason and their pro-Obama police state supporting Radley Balko and Paul hatchet men Brian Doherty and Dave Weigel destroyed libertarianism in America.