Gary Johnson, Third Parties, and So-Called Joke Candidates
Though former Gov. Gary Johnson has dropped his bid for major party acceptance, he is still poking at Democrats and Republicans both as he reaches for the Libertarian Party's nomination. Recently he told Huffington Post that yes, even "Mickey Mouse would poll 15 percent against Romney or Obama." People are that fed up, suggests the ex-Republican.
Bold words from a fellow who is technically polling lower than television comedian Stephen Colbert, at least according to Public Policy Polling.
PPP has Colbert at 13 percent nationally and Johnson at 7 percent, which is admittedly somewhat higher than you might expect for a man who got more or less screwed over by some of the biggest polling and media outfits when they incessantly lumped him under "other" and declared that he had not earned a place in the debates.
Notes Yahoo News, a Colbert or similar candidacy is not always unserious:
"If there were ever an election cycle when a television character would not be considered a joke, it would be this one," [PPP director of polling Tom] Jensen said. "Americans are disgusted with the candidates on both sides, and fed up with politics. I actually think if Stephen Colbert were to run as an independent, and keep talking about the issues he's been talking about the last week or so for the next 10 months, he'd probably do pretty well in a general election. Certainly not well enough to win, but well enough to justify his third-party candidacy."
The poll showed that Colbert would actually hurt Obama more than Romney, shrinking the president's current five-point lead over Romney to within the poll's 3.7 percent margin of error.
Colbert, who is from South Carolina, spent the day rallying with Herman Cain, that former would-be-GOP-candidate who danced on the edge of being hilarious, but could never fully commit until now. Cain remains on the ballot in South Carolina, while Colbert in his Citizens United-mocking, SuperPAC-funded journey towards the fake presidency, couldn't manage to get there. Cain's various terrible political stances are are least no longer alarming now that his media moment is over.
Huffington Post probably asked Johnson about a third partier's chances for success because a new Washington Post shows maybe higher support for the idea of a third party than you might think. The people who want one least are Democrats. The people who wants one most are, ahem, independents.
Some 48 percent think there is a need for a third way in party politics, and just as many, 49 percent, say not so. Overall, 22 percent say they would definitely vote for a third party candidate with whom they agreed on most issues; another 46 percent would at least consider it. Fewer than three in 10 would flatly rule it out.
The full poll results can be found here. Reason-Rupe polls have also found that the young and the libertarian-leaning are more likely to support or considering voting for a third party candidate.
It's often tempting to just sayof course all political campaigns are an unfunny joke so why not vote for a funnier joke? Though, there is one worthwhile candidate; The great humorist Dave Barry, who has been running for president unceasingly since sometime in the '90s, is a libertarian and once did an amazing Reason interview, which would almost make me consider my non-voter's stance. Within it Barry manages to be smart and human about the drug war, prostitution prohibition, and government job creation. Spoiler alert, he hates all those things, but go read the interview in full anyway.
So yes, all politicians are fundamentally ludicrous, but if we're not going to get rid of them, I guess more competition amongst them can't make things much worse. I think there's a book about that?
Anyway, commenters, what say you? Will you throw your vote away on a comedian, a cartoon character, or Herman Cain? Would you consider it?
While you mull that over, watch this video where former Dead Kennedys frontman Jello Biafra explains how his 1979 San Francisco mayoral campaign is "no more or less of a joke" than anyone else's. He came in fifth, by the way.
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He's still pocking people? Is that some new Internet thing?
Would you like me to email you my address so you can send a check?
In a contest between Romney and Obama I would vote Johnson simply because my vote in California doesn't count and I don't think I can write in Paul per the state's ballot rules.
This applies to me as well.
I wrote in Ron Paul last time. Rules are for non-libertarians.
Gary Johnson = Plan B
He can prevent you from becomming pregnant if you contact him quickly the next day?
He's a chemically induced abortion.
Lots of love for Jello today
You call having the shirt on progress? I was hoping we would advance to no pants on the next photo!
Look, there were complaints last time. Which means I should have kept using the photo forever. But I wanted to branch out, explore bold new avenues in dressed former governors.
Translation: she caved. I told you she would, Jim. Now give me my $20 per our bet.
Lucy, I respect your efforts to pander to the basal ganglia of the commenter class, but if you really want to capture their fanatical and unending loyalty, let me give you a little research project: Identify, interview, and find additional photos of the unofficial Hit & Run mascot, the Lobster Girl.
I'm above such things, being ecstatically married, but most of the other commenters, well, the Lobster Girl is all they really have. And I suspect that you'd also win points with certain editors here that I will not name.
ecstatically married
I have it on good authority there isn't any such thing. Mrs. Pro L made you say that, didn't she?
the Lobster Girl is all they really have
And we don't really even have her.
No, I mean it. But, as may be true with the Lobster Girl herself, I've got a hot Colombian wife. She is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.
Did you comment after you saw the image for the Sheldon Richmond post?
Err, Richman.
And yes, I know it's from "War Games", but still.
No--I'm not even sure which post that is.
*shrug*
Some connection between a hot columbian and Ally Sheedy?
Hey, that's right, she was in that movie! Completely forgot.
So you just generally describe your wife with Ferris Bueller paraphrases? I knew I liked you.
Nice, Lucy, nice. Not everyone would pick up on that.
I'm going to have to tell my wife that I compared her with a Ferrari. She'll like that.
That's why I asked, dude! The Richman photo is from "War Games."
Matthew Broderick there, Matthew Broderick here.
Anyway. Well done.
That movie is older than I am. Be depressed!
Okay, I get it now.
One thing about getting older--some things seem like they just happened; some seem like they were ages ago. Simultaneously.
Another thing is that sometime all the time since things happened seems to be consecutive rather than concurrent.
I've got a hot Colombian wife. She is so choice.
If I knew you better I'd demand pictures.
If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.
I'd love to. The darker the better.
But I have to get a definition here. If "means" means Wealth, ambition, drive and prestige-- well, you know where I fall in that equation.
Get used to disappointment.
Get used to disappointment
Used to disappointment? I was wondering what it was like to not be disappointed.
Yeah, it's kind of a perpetual frame of mind, these days.
What ProL said. I'll throw in a bonus if you have her bathed and brought to me, too.
Yes. Do it for Warty. Or face 'roid rage at levels heretofore unknown outside of Eastern Europe.
'roid rage at levels heretofore unknown outside of Eastern Europe Jersey
Fixed.
I accept correction.
Bathed?!? Since when do you like that?
Oh wait, you meant bathed in blood. Sorry. I get it now.
"Danzig, mother fucker! I got a question: can you make the blood flow up the walls?"
"Yeah, that's Elvin blood, too. Not cheap."
Bathe in Blood
I prefer basted in blood.
Baste, interestingly, is derived from the Old Norse, beysta, which means to beat or thrash.
Warty's standards, the few that he has, are quite high.
Bathed in mother's milk, though, not blood.
Bathed, boiled, whatever. Mother's milk is the key.
You know, we ask a lot of poor Lucy. I hope she's highly compensated for her commenter liaison role.
I hope they pay for her delousings, at least.
If we just paid for one for you then we could nip the problem in the bud and not have to worry about it any more. But people are cheap.
Never underestimate a truly motivated louse.
I find it interesting that the word lousy, which now means "bad, contemptible, or miserable", derives from the original meaning, "full of louses."
My mind was blown when I realized that rowdy means one who has rows, i.e., fights.
Pensive, of course, means "full of penises."
But enough about Tony.
I thought it means one who sticks pens in his urethra. Dammit!
Are you sure it doesn't mean one who has rows, as in, corn rows (the hairstyle)?
Don't be so fucking racist, Jimbo.
""full of louses."
full of lice.
Full of stars, idiots.
My God.
Yes, thank you, I think my usage was intended to illustrate the etymology more clearly.
Gary Johnson is the real libertarian. Ron Paul is a neo-Nazi fake.
Fair Tax = real libertarian?
He said he would cut spending 43%. That right there eliminates the single largest libertarian objection to the FairTax?, the revenue neutrality bullshit.
Go TEAM PURPLE!
Fuck off, troller.
Your choices come Election Day, noble voters, will be thus: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney or Gary Johnson. Pick one of those three, you dicks. You will then earn the right to either cheer or grumble when Mitt Romney becomes our 45th President of the United States.
I still think Romney is going to blow it, but if he does get the nomination, I think he's winning very easily. He's liberal enough to make people who just hate Republicans cross over.
And liberal enough to make a lot of Republicans stay home. Anecdotally, I'd say there are a lot of doctors who'd rather watch TV if the choice is between Obamacare and Romneycare.
I don't think so, not when the alternative is Obamanation. Even I think Romney would be marginally better. Very marginally.
On the whole, he might be. But if your hot button issue is one where Romney isn't that different from Obama, like health care, or gun control, or abortion, you're not going to be a motivated voter. There's a decent list of issues where Romney is unusually weak for a Republican candidate.
Okay, listen up, because I'm only going to say this once. Mitt Romney is going to be elected president in November. Make peace with it. He is bland enough to be palatable to the widest possible array of diners out there who got heartburn bigtime after the last presidential election.
The Obama group knows electorally a win is doubtful, so the denying of the pipeline is the beginning of a year-long scorched earth policy from a leftist administration untethered by political concerns. That hard left turn will make him unacceptable to middle-of-the-road voters and ensure the now relatively moderate Romney a victory. So it is written, so it shall come to pass, peckersmooches.
Mitt Romney is going to be elected president in November. Make peace with it.
You a bettin' man?
H. L. Mencken, Baltimore Sun July 26, 1920)
As a life-long Texan, I can safely say we achieved the moron goal in the 2000 presidential election. Seems like it's only gotten worse...
apostrophe squirrels?
That's the most likely outcome, but given how weak Obama and the Republicans are, there's a wider margin of error.
Why did you close by smooching our peckers?
""And liberal enough to make a lot of Republicans stay home.""
Liberal enought to make republicans lie about staying home while they hold their nose, pull the lever for the R candidate.
I will almost certainly vote for an LP-candidate Johnson if Paul isn't the GOP nominee.
Same here.
That seems to be the general consensus on H&R. So, that means Johnson can count on what, about 19 votes?
Ron Paul is polling at 14% in the GOP race. The works out to approx 5% of voters on election day.
If every Paulian votes Gary Johnson, it's a decent base to start with.
I'll vote party-line Libertarian, like I always do.
Vermin Supreme ought to challenge Gary for the LP nom.
He's promising everyone a pony; he fits in with the Democrats.
Fusionism
onetime I found a bird and I forgot that I hid it in my sock drawer because it was a turd instead.
"Will you throw your vote away on a comedian, a cartoon, or Herman Cain? Would you conside it?"
Yes. I cannot possibly vote for either Obama or Romney, who are the same guy trying different tacks to the same goal.
If I were not in Massachusetts, I might have an ethical problem. But I don't. My vote has never made a damned bit of difference, and I sure as hell will not help that filth Romney do to the nation what he already did to us here.
If that's the closest that lowlife comes to a goal, let Obama finish the nation off.
7% is pretty darn good actually for someone who's first reaction from most people is "who?". With more name recognition, he could easily get double digits, especially when the Left see there's a pro-civil liberties, anti-war, pro-gay marriage, pro-choice and anti-Drug War alternative to Obama. Amongst people who know Johnson's positions, I can't really see how he'd end up as a pure spoiler for Romney.
I thought 5% in several major national polls is what it takes to get into the debates. Of course they'll change the rules to keep him out.
And by the way, I'd vote Colbert over Obama/Romney. Don't really get the methodology here, because it's not an either/or. Unless Colbert's running for the LP nomination?
Voting Colbert over Obama/Romney is a no-brainer. I'd also vote Mickey Mouse over Obama/Romney. The question is whether one should vote Donald Duck over Obama/Romney.
It would be interesting to see some polls with multiple independent/third party candidates included in the same question.
Unless Ron Paul somehow manages to win the nomination. Then he'll be in all of the debates in an attempt to split the vote.
A Paul vs Johnson vs Obama debate would be amazing.
Except they'd give all the questions to Mitt and Newc.
No, they wouldn't be in the race, but that wouldn't stop them.
Yeah, I seriously don't think a.) Ron Paul is going to be the nominee and b.) Gary Johnson would keep running if he was.
A Romney vs Obama vs Johnson debate would be pretty bitchin' too. Especially once it becomes apparent to anyone with a pulse that Romney and Obama are practically the same guy.
It was down in that area for the primary debates. It's up near 15% for general election debates. And yes. They probably would change the rules.
What the fuck is wrong with the 49 percent who think everything is just hunky-dory with the two statist parties?
Eternal question, that.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
The 49 percent that don't pay income taxes.
The 49% that are functionally retarded.
They don't think everything is hunk-dory. It's not even viewed that way. It's about beating the other team.
This!
Well, working from the premise that average intelligence is actually the average of the intelligences of every person in the U.S. by any given measurement criteria, then, by definition, half the people are above average intelligence, and half the people are below average. Guess which half prefers the current duopoly.
Sigh... I hope you see what's wrong with that.
We are the 49%!!!!!!!
Ive asked this question before, but, does anyone see the risk of electing Romney if he is coming in with a Republican house and senate? While I wouldn't vote for it I think I would have to go with preferring to just let Obama go ahead and finish it off if he could with the opposition in control of the legislature.
New Pew poll shows Ron Paul at 18 percent in a 3-way race with Obama and Romney.
http://blog.chron.com/rickperr.....-november/
Loved this quote from the linked Dave Barry interview:
I was really against that war, but to be a C.O., you had to believe that there was no circumstance under which you would ever kill anybody. And I can't say I honestly felt that. I would definitely kill people. I would have liked to have killed my draft board at the time.
Once you get past his slightly goofy demeanor and his past marijuana smoking, Gary Johnson is a magnificent Libertarian choice for president. He has served as a governor and ( unlike Ron Paul ) he knows how to deal with Congress.
I'm in the Ron Paul camp but I do like Gary Johnson a lot as well as his record as Governor of New Mexico. If the GOP are dumb enough to give Romney or Gingrich the nomination I'll be happy to vote for Johnson should he become the Libertarian nominee.
Here's another joke candidate right here. YOURS TRULY! I ran for the Texas State Legislature in 2004. I ran as a Democrat because the incumbent was a Republican and I'm too lazy to go around collecting signatures to get on the ticket as an Independent. My two campaign goals were basically a gun for every citizen and at least one gambling casino in every county. I actually got almost 30% of the vote.
oops
http://hammeroftruth.com/2012/.....ign-staff/
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