Ron Paul in New Hampshire: Scenes from the Long Road to Some Place
As the voters continue to vote their votes here on voting day in New Hampshire, Ron Paul predicted a good number two for himself, hit some polling places, and continued to lead a multi-state revolution of ideas and actions.
Paul this morning told me he wasn't trying to keep his eyes on early poll numbers that might trickle out today, and had a "stoic" attitude about whatever might happen. (Which is good, because it isn't looking good right now for his second place according to Fox News early exit poll data--they are claiming Huntsman will very possibly get second.)
[UPDATE: Off to the Paul campaign's returns-watching event so I can't update this all night, but actual 5 percent of real returns from CNN have Paul keeping his second place handily, with 25 to Huntsman's 15. We'll see. If Paul maintains this lead, all the Huntsman-on-the-rise chatter up to this second will need some 'splaining.]
I've been following him and his supporters around for the past five days; herewith some scenes and observations from the Ron Paul Revolution on the march in New Hampshire.
*While his opinions and judgments of his fellow seekers of the nomination are the least interesting aspect of Ron Paul as an important figure on the American scene (which is why Saturday's debate, where Paul was forced to defend his campaign's attack ads or comments on Santorum and Gingrich, didn't thrill me), talking crap about each other is often considered the newsiest news there is when it comes to presidential campaigns. Thus, Paul's refusal to join the scrum of attacks on Romney for either Bain Capital or his "fire people" comment was big news. Paul's campaign issues two press releases today on the topic, accusing the other candidates of using leftist, moveon.org tactics, questioning the value of business and capitalism.
I heard Paul saying something on the same topic this morning in front of a polling place in Nashua, about the Bain Capital attacks on Romney. Paul called it "typical politics." He admitted he doesn't know anything specific about how Bain was run, but says such chatter "is not addressing the real issues, the financial crisis…probably by real calculations we have 20 percent unemployment, so to talk about how he managed a company? I don't see it." Paul stood up for the idea of restructuring specifically: "This is a policy in the marketplace, it saves businesses. If a business is in big trouble and goes under everyone loses their job. If you restructure you might save some."
The idea that Paul never attacks or is a benefit to Romney has been floating around lately; Paul Gigot in the Wall Street Journal says that if Romney wins, he'll owe Paul "a fee for services rendered." The Washington Post, without suggesting collusion either open or secret, points out as long as Paul keeps fighting it out, it will be harder for any other challenger to unseat Romney. (No matter what happens today, I still think this will be a Romney-Paul race a month from now.)
From my months covering the campaign for my forthcoming book, I did catch some wind--with no specific details--that there was reasonably open communication between the two camps and possibly something that amounted to an uneasy truce in these early stages. Romney hasn't been very vicious against Paul either. But it is not at all true that Paul never attacks Romney, even beyond his generic attacks on all his opponents as the representatives of an unsupportable status quo. Paul's campaign ran specific Romney attack radio ads in the last days before the Iowa caucus. And while both may be looking forward to the day when the other is the only one they have to worry about, any uneasy alliance of convenience between the two will, I think, clearly become the war over the soul of the Republican Party moving into the summer and beyond.
*Big reason why the demonstrated public crowds and affection for Paul at his various appearances here may not be reflected in the election results: lots and lots of them are young road warriors from out of town---Syracuse, Philadelphia, Texas, New York, Massachusetts, anywhere. I commiserated on this aspect with other reporters: the first one, two, three people you approach at any Paul event in New Hampshire are likely to not be from New Hampshire.
This is great for both the demonstrative and more directly effective (according to the campaign pros) aspects of his campaign: lots of people knocking doors, handing out literature, sign waving on big corners or at polling places, filling the rooms he appears to more than capacity, and phone banking. Maybe not as many people voting as they might like. (I've heard calls for the road warriors to not go to campaign appearances, or at least to wait outside until would-be voters have filled the room.) If you are a New Hampshire resident doing Paul activism, there's a decent chance you are a member or fellow traveler of the Free State Project.
*If you show up to a Ron Paul event in New Hampshire within 10 minutes of the announced start time, you'll be parking a mile away and won't be able to get in the door.
*The old-fashioned stenciled Ron Paul Revolution, Ron Paul Freedom, Ron Paul Prosperity, banners can once again be seen from most freeway overpasses in New Hampshire.
*More word on yesterday's media-scrum-heard-round-the-world, where Paul's wife Carol was shoved by a reporter and the candidate had to disappoint possible supporters at MoeJoe's diner in Manchester: an old-hand Associated Press photog who gave me a needed lift today when a polling place address differed from what the campaign had told us told me that he had in all his decades as a news photographer only once seen a media scrum as difficult and out-of-control: outside the grand jury hearings for Betty Currie (Clinton's secretary during the Monica days). He said yesterday's crowd included lots of straight-up New York professional paparazzi, not even all news cameras. It is indeed strange; I've been to a lot of Paul events in the past week, and that was the only one that overwhelmed, though when Paul showed up to a Manchester school/polling place this afternoon, there were about 30 people and cameras blocking his every step from vehicle to polling place.
*Paul's speeches are still unscripted and unrehearsed, and still meander through his core and some of his peripheral ideas in an unpredictable order. You will almost always hear about his plan to cut a trillion in year one and balance the budget by year three with no new taxes; how he thinks this can be done without attacking aid to the poor or dependent in the short term; how we need to bring troops home and end undeclared wars not fought in our own defense, and that military spending is not defense spending, for the most part.
*More on this in later writings, but the Paul on the ground and on the phone campaign operations seems to me as strong and thorough as it could possibly be, and any deficiencies in Paul's results tonight are far more likely to be the fault of citizen's willingness or ability to actually accept Paul's political beliefs than it is any fault of professional execution of a campaign.
*I talked to a lot of Paul fans. The more Paul fans you talk to, the less surprising or revealing the experience of talking to them is. It's not that complicated, really. They believe that government is in fiscal trouble, and they believe that changes in monetary and foreign policy are necessary to deal with it. They believe in American constitutional liberty as they traditionally understand it. Some of them were already marinated in this libertarian set of ideas before discovering Paul, but most of them were lead to it by Paul. Many, many of them have Paul fan origin stories set in seeing one of the 2007 debates or having friends send them YouTube videos of some sort, many just of Paul talking. Many of them get their information from "alternative" sources, from Daily Paul to Infowars, though the meaning of "alternative sources of information" is probably getting less and less meaningful. They generally think the status quo media and powers-that-be have it in for their man Paul. I've met here in New Hampshire Occupiers from two states, homeschooling families, Comcast technicians, mortgage brokers, sports journalists, young camera jockeys who claim they were responsible for the filming and spreading of Gingrich's embarassing "Jefferson and Washington would have wanted to punish people for growing hemp" video, three different state representatives, combat veterans among many others. Some of them will appear in my later Reason magazine feature on the Ron Paul campaign, in our April issue, subscribe today!
*Meeting Ron Paul is no longer just a coveted "get" for his fans; he's become a full-on general interest political celebrity. Lurking around the back door of his Meredith appearance Sunday I met a family who just enjoy meeting and having their children meet prominent political celebs; they weren't sure they were going to vote for Ron Paul, but they were waiting in the cold with their kids to meet him anyway.
*When asked questions about campaign strategy, Paul still says that as far as he's concerned, he'll keep doing the same thing he's been doing for 30 years: telling people about the benefits of liberty, personal and economic, and the dangers of out-of-control spending, debt, and foreign policy, in as many venues as he can. That strategy has gotten him farther than he expected already.
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To all the Paul supporters out there, there is a program called Phone From Home and you can volunteer? to call voters on behalf of the Ron Paul campaign. It's an awesome way to help get Dr. Paul the nomination. Google "Ron Paul Phone From Home".
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I actually read some reports from Iowa saying that the Paul campaign may have called voters too much, turning off potential supporters in what almost amounted to harassment.
Re: Joe M,
That was probably an exaggeration.
Well, I think our own Brian Doherty discussed it last week, actually.
I did this a little when Schiff ran for Senate. I like and support Paul enough to donate to most of the money bombs, but I just don't feel like phoning :-/
they are claiming Huntsman will very possibly get second
Ugh.
I swear, speaking as a big soccer fan (btw, Timon19, where you been?), being a Ron Paul supporter always seems to eerily parallel my life as an American soccer supporter. Battling all these weird misconceptions about the thing I love; fighting for attention from a media that won't acknowledge just how big this phenomenon really is; relying on the Internet for all the real news and commentary about said phenomenon; and constantly getting tantalizingly close to a big, game-changing breakthrough of some sort -- e.g., a World Cup semifinal berth, a big primary finish for Paul -- only to have it yanked away at the last second by some weird, unexpected, undeserved development that shouldn't have happened and sucked a lot of the momentum right out.
All while getting bashed the whole time by lug-headed "conservative" neanderthals who have a completely different conception of American culture, tradition and meaning than I do.
Well OK now you just jinxed the whole thing.
Why not just compare Paul to the metric system while you're at it?
Aww, come on, man. You're my favorite poster around here. Don't fuck up this analogy for me!
Anyway, I see that this just got splashed atop Drudge:
MITT 38% RON 23% JON 16% NEWT 11%
Not sure if these are early returns, or what. (I don't think they're results from Drudge's own site poll, which are listed elsewhere on the page.) But crossing my fingers...
I think those are early results (answering my own question from below as well).
Has anyone seen a full state exit poll? Not those stupid issue questions, but the actual candidate exit poll numbers.
It just got better, at Drudge:
MITT 35% RON 27% JON 14% NEWT 11% RICK 11%
only to have it yanked away at the last second by some weird, unexpected, undeserved development
It is not unexpected because American soccer teams are terrible. At the last World Cup I wanted the US to lose against Ghana because they were playing like such provincial morons (I'll kick this ball upfield to no one!), and were being lazy too (costing them the game).
Well, I was thinking specifically of the 2002 World Cup, where a really shitty no-call (German handball that prevented a U.S. goal) screwed us out of the game.
But a lot of other weird shit happens in U.S. soccer too... Charlie Davies getting in horrid car wreck just as career is blossoming... Stuart Holden getting multiple massive injuries as his career is blossoming... Oguchi Onyewu getting major injury just as starts high-profile AC Milan career...
Just lots of weird, cursed shit overall.
CNN exit poll (approximating, as they dont have totals, only breakdowns, wtf?):
Romney 36%
Paul 23%
Huntsman 18%
Santorum 10%
Gingrich 10%
Perry 1%
Fifty yards down a side street a couple of Palestinian teenagers jumped out of the shadows. Using the girly overhand throw of nations that mostly play soccer, one kid threw a bottle at us. It landed forty yards away. --P.J. O'Rourke.
The baseball style throw is a really unnatural throw.
That's why virtually no adults can successfully throw out a first pitch at a game, even people with years of baseball experience as kids. 18 months after the last day you play baseball, you can't throw one of the damn things more than thirty feet. It's weird.
If I recall my war history correctly, German soldiers had a hell of a time learning to throw grenades, hence the potato masher style grenade.
I don't think that's true. After 20+ years of no baseball throwing I found I could hit a strike zone with reasonable regularity.
I agree that the throw is unnatural, but once you get it, you can do it. Like jumping jacks.
On your first throw, or did you warm up for a while?
Because every time I go to throw a baseball now my shoulder and arm are incredibly stiff to the point of the ball not traveling more than 20 or 30 feet, until I practice for a while.
First throw, but I didn't exactly pace off 60 feet.
Granted, I felt eleventy different kinds of soreness that reminded me I'm old.
That's why smart people (like Bush Jr) practice before games. If I'm going to do something in front of 20k+, I'm gonna practice it first. Now a wednesday Rays game in June, I'll just wing it.
You must be, what, in your 20's? No offense! My first libertarian vote for pres was for Ed Clark in 1980. I discussed/argued libertarianism with friends throughout the 1980's -- talk about dispiriting! Like talking to a brick wall. Anyway, I voted for RP in 1988. It wasn't until the last 4 to 8 years that the word "libertarian" was even seen in the mainstream media. (now, unfortunately, it's often misused and becoming watered down). Anyway, this is my feeble attempt to give you hope. We've come a long way in the last 30 years.
No, I'm 43. So '88 was my first presidential election. Paul got my vote then too.
So yeah, I'm used to lots of dispiriting developments on the libertarian/politics front. It's just that this particular recent stretch with Paul keeps resonating with my soccer-fandom experience. That's all. Didn't mean to derail the thread with my personal indulgence, if that's what I did there...
I really hope Huntsman didn't do well.
Both because I find him kind of an insufferable douche, and because it would be yet another case where the media was able to will someone into second place.
Indeed. The full force shoving of Huntsman down our collective throat the last week has been absolutely ridiculous.
If Paul becomes second, the story tomorrow will still be on how the Huntsman 'bump' created by media did not materialize.
What are these numbers Drudge has?
They aren't the Drudge poll numbers.
MITT 38% RON 23% JON 16% NEWT 11%
Looks like the Google News numbers (with 1% reporting).
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results
They've been out for a few hours now, and reflect an absurdly tiny number of votes that have been counted so far. On NPR and Politico the 38% and 23% represented 7 and 5 votes, respectively. Updated numbers are available now.
Oddly enough, the 38% and 23% from just 12 votes are pretty close to the percentages with thousands of votes now in.
The Guardian says: Romney 25 Paul 27 Huntsman 14 Gingrich & Santorum 11
If this holds, this is excellent news.
Weird. Talk about "jinx!" I was typing my post above, replying to you, when you posted these yourself.
Ugh, above is directed to Fluffy's Drudge reference.
N.H. Live FREE or Die!
See what a Judge says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ure=colike
As of this moment on Google:
Jan 10, 2012 (1% of precincts reporting)
Mitt Romney 859 35.3%
Ron Paul 652 26.8%
Jon Huntsman 342 14%
Newt Gingrich 266 10.9%
Rick Santorum 264 10.8%
Rick Perry 7 0.3%
Michele Bachmann 3 0.1%
Other 43 1.8%
As the voters continue to vote their votes here on voting day in New Hampshire, Ron Paul predicted a good number two for himself
I uhm, what now?
He's gonna shit on everybody below him.
I took a shit in New Hampshire once.
That sort of thing is important for people his age.
The Google numbers are already up to 4%, and Paul is still way ahead of Huntsman. I hope hope hope that holds, because I would love to see the media's narrative get smacked the fuck down this time.
Huntsman seems to have dodged the elimination bullet, at least for now, based on the early returns, while Paul is doing better than I expected (yeah, early days). It will be sweet if Santorum winds up in single digit territory.
Mitt Romney 4,380 36.9%
Ron Paul 2,859 24.1%
Jon Huntsman 1,724 14.5%
Newt Gingrich 1,387 11.7%
Rick Santorum 1,221 10.3%
Rick Perry 73 0.6%
Michele Bachmann 18 0.2%
Well, once we get to the point in the night where we can safely lock in Paul as second, hopefully our real fun will be in seeing if he can crack, say, the 28-30% range.
29.17% is the cutoff for 4 instead of 3 delegates.
That number kind of sounds like how x+0.1% was the cutoff to get into the debates! (Where x, of course, seemed to be Johnson's poll numbers...)
Nah, there are 12 delegates. 3.5/12 is 29.16666666666%.
To round to 4, you need to beat that. With a 10% minimum and rounding, there will be a few leftovers, they go to the overall winner (Romney) under the Superman 3 rule.
Was that the one with Richard Pryor?
I was just kidding about the Johnson thing. It is a bit odd, though, that they round the delegates instead of truncating (and then assigning to the winner).
Yes, the Richard Pryor one. Also a subplot in Office Space.
10% is necessary to win a single delegate.
PS, here's your thread if you're not too drunk on Czech wine to enjoy it.
I am going to attempt to abstain from checking the results until they have a significant % reporting. Here's hoping RP pulls a decisive second. They are saying turnout was high so start thinking about how that will get spun in the media to make Paul less "serious."
My prediction:
They will say late deciders were impressed by the way Paul defended Romney, and that means a lot of Paul's votes are actually just Romney votes.
Of course. Paul is being rewarded for sensibly commending the only sensible candidate. Now if you don't mind, I have an exclusive cocktail party to attend.
Ive said it before but if a paul operative can hack romneys circuits we'll have a libertarian friendly candidate before november.
Romney still #1 candidate.
Santorum drops to a post-Iowa low.
Huntsman and Gingrich hang on by their fingernails. Now we're going to Tom at DNC headquarters to find out how their strategy for beating Romney in November is shaping up, Tom?
Your futuremachine seems to be working well. Next time bring us back a hoverboard and a robot slave.
That would be around 10% if there are not any real large metropolitan areas out there. This is New Hampshire right?
OK, I just heard the official spin:
"Huntsman would have beaten Paul if the primary was held on Wednesday or Thursday"
Meeting Ron Paul is no longer just a coveted "get" for his fans; he's become a full-on general interest political celebrity. Lurking around the back door of his Meredith appearance Sunday I met a family who just enjoy meeting and having their children meet prominent political celebs; they weren't sure they were going to vote for Ron Paul, but they were waiting in the cold with their kids to meet him anyway.
Replace Paul with Obama and this could have been written in 2008. Ugh. He's my favorite candidate, but the cult of personality forming around him reminds me an awful lot of Hope and Change.
He's my favorite candidate, but the cult of personality forming around him reminds me an awful lot of Hope and Change.
It's the only way to get a candidate elected, these days.
He's my favorite candidate, but the cult of personality forming around him reminds me an awful lot of Hope and Change.
While the personality cult may have some truth to it, the comparison breaks down quickly since there is no avoiding the specifics of Ron Paul's platform. There's not a lot of room on him to project a person's hopes and beliefs unlike a completely unknown Obama.
He's my favorite candidate, but the cult of personality forming around him reminds me an awful lot of Hope and Change.
It's not a totally invalid point, I guess, but it's not perfectly analogous either.
The Obama cult of personality was based on, well, genuine personality stuff: young, cool, (seemingly) hip, charismatic, the soaring speeches, the hipster posters and songs and paeans. There was absolutely nothing substantive about it -- beyond the anti-Bush stuff that was sort of embedded by default in the middle of it all -- and it was, ultimately, merely about Barack Obama The Guy Who Talks And Looks Like a Movie President... not Barack Obama's Ideas.
Any enthusiasm for Ron Paul The Guy is simply an appreciation for Ron Paul As This Important Vessel For These Important Ideas.
I think it's a significant and substantive difference.
Re: Deja Vu,
There's a difference between the two: Paul at least did write his books himself.
Zing-Pow!
Whoa, Romney won the New Hampshire primary? Hold on, let me put on my shocked face: GAAAAAASSSSSSSP!!!
With 13% reported:
Mittens 36%
Ron Paul 24%
Huntsman 18%
As long as paul stays over 20% and over huntsman its a nice win and huntsman is over.
That should get paul a small bounce but id just be happy with double digits in south carolina and florida.
I think the key is for Santorum to return to his prior candidate status as "lol, Santorum".
Santorum and gingrich split the s. Carolina vote and santorum is out of money after florida. Gingrich limps to super tuesday out of shear spite.
Yeah, but I've had a lot of fun giving shit to my TEAM RED friends about him for the last week. Hell, one of my coworkers told me earlier that he can't wait to vote for him (IN primary is in May). I told him I wouldn't count on him being on the ballot.
I wonder how well RP will do in Florida. He's not concentrating on it because it's a winner-take-all state. I think he's focusing on getting delegates. His website certainly makes it look like he's concentrating on Nevada.
If i was endorsed by the bunny ranch, I'D focuse on nevada.
I thought the states that had primaries before April 1 had to dole out the delgates by proportional representatoin.
Florida broke alot of rules when they moved theprimary up and lost half there delegates so who knows what they're doing. The thing is the campaign goes west after florida and before more southern states vote gingrich and santorum will be exhausted and their supporters bored.
A few states were given exceptions.
John King just said with his surprise face that Ron Paul may be sticking around for a while. DON'T WORRY THOUGH, HE HAS NO CHANCE TO WIN, he made sure to declare.
Quite the asshole, John King is.
It's sort of breaking down into a number of two man races:
Paul vs. Huntsman (24.3 to 17.9),
Gingrich vs. Santorum (10.5 to 9.5),
Perry vs. Roemer (0.6 to 0.4),
Bachman vs. Cain (0.1 to 0.1).
It'd be pretty sweet if Roemer beat Perry.
You taking bets, ive got 10000$
If my disappointing 7th place finish in the "bowl pick'em" is any indication, I probably should not take bets!
Any over/under action on the Democratic write-in? Currently, with 19.3% reporting:
Obama - 81.1%
Write-ins - 10.3%
Im wondering about the other 8.6%. Not for Obama, not a write-in, not being reported. Hmmmmmm.....
Vermin is doing very well for himself.
Perhaps they're not too bright? The remaining 8.6% cast an improper ballot?
Chad still hanging around?
The other 8.6% is Vermin Supreme. The pony/dental-health-Gestapo guy. He wears a boot on his head.
Politico has a breakdown of all candidates. You'll need to scroll the left pane to view the Democratic primary.
Exit polls:
Paul is getting 46% of the 18-29 vote.
I dont offer see a bright future for America, but there it is.
I noticed that, too, and I agree. 33% of the 30-39 vote isn't too shabby.
Is Mitt the nominee yet?
Shush. thats tomorrow.
Yes, but everybody's making "who farted?" faces.
The convention could double for a "Bukkakke Survivors" event.
We probably want Gingrich and Santorum to each break 10% (just barely) so they each win a delegate, denying two delegates to Romney.
Never underestimate my hate for both gingrich and santorum.
With 100 out of 310 towns reporting, Santorum is down to 9.9%.
Now (153 towns out of 301) Gingrich and Santorum are both bleow 10%.
When do the states that matter get to vote?
Ky votes in May. Im assuming that is who you are referring to.
I mean California and New York
Yawn. Airport states.
Wolfe is predicting Ron Paul may stay in the race. WTF
Hi there!
No "Paul exceeds expectations by 5 percent" headlines?
Juan Williams is I think the only person you will here "Paul exceeds expectations" from. I think he immediately wished he hadn't said it.
Gary Johnson is beating Cain by 11 votes.
First Pic Caption:
RP: "See. Robot."
Ron Paul's path to the nomination goes through the middle of the Republican Party. Unfortunately, these guys are not libertarians. But he may move the mighty ship of that party a few degrees in the right direction.