Ron Paul Marches on in Iowa, New Hampshire, Doing Best Ever in National Polls
Ron Paul's unexpected rise in electoral fortunes continues apace. Some of the latest:
*Paul hits over 17 in one national poll of over 1,000 national likely GOP caucus/primary voters, with Iowa and New Hampshire oversampled, highest ever for him nationally as far as I know.
*Paul's Iowa appearances getting too big for the traditional Pizza Ranches:
Paul held eight town hall meetings this week in eastern Iowa, each drawing crowds ranging from between 150 in Manchester to 800 in Bettendorf. None of the events were booked at any of the state's 71 Pizza Ranch restaurants—sites which routinely play host to other GOP candidates.
"The crowds have just been incredible," [Paul's Iowa campaign co-chair David] Fischer said. "There's a lot of undecided voters who are curious about Ron Paul coming to these events."
The libertarian-leaning politician has also seen his base of supporters increase over the past month, Fischer added
"It's blue collar, it's independent-thinking folks, you even get some Democrats in there," he said, adding that business owners, Christians and families that home school their children have also attended Paul events. "There's just a huge variety of people interested in this message, and that tells you the power of the message."
*Detailed reporting on Paul supporters in Iowa from Des Moines Register. Highlights:
Don't tell Matt Winter that Ron Paul's surge in Iowa is bad for the state's cherished Republican caucuses.
"Whether or not you agree with Ron Paul, the fact that he's able to get out and connect with voters and get them to come and support him — that's really what the caucuses are supposed to be about," said Winter, an independent voter who heard Paul speak here last week and is considering voting for him. "He has an amazing organization, no question. … They're out there giving out signs, signing people up, following up with supporters, and it's paying off."….
Paul probably would have a harder time making a splash if Iowa had a primary, [Becky Beach, a former Bush fundraiser] said. A primary draws a larger turnout in through-the-day voting than a caucus, which requires participants to meet at a specified point and commit an hour or more of their time.
Paul has attracted some of the largest Iowa crowds seen by any candidate this year. Last week, he drew more than 200 to town-hall meetings in Maquoketa and Washington, and he has drawn throngs on college campuses, including more than 1,300 at both the University of Iowa and Iowa State University.
Some skeptics have doubted that the young people who plump up his crowds will show up for him on caucus night.
Kim Pearson, a Republican state representative from Pleasant Hill who supports Paul, said some critics try to dismiss his young followers by saying their support is based mainly on Paul's opposition to federal anti-marijuana laws.
"I think that really is a slap at the younger generation," she said, adding that many young people are worried about having to pay off spiraling government debt.
Pearson said Paul is holding true to traditional Republican values, including that any wars should be approved by Congress, as the Constitution requires. Some party leaders are trying to paint him as radical because they're afraid of him, said Pearson, who identifies with the tea party wing of the GOP…..
Paul, himself a veteran, brags that no other candidate receives as many donations from members of the military.
Micah Stolba of Cedar Rapids, who held a "Veterans for Ron Paul" sign during the candidate's Washington town hall, said Paul's foreign policy is the reason.
Paul has promised to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq, Afghanistan and other overseas military bases. He would also abolish foreign aid as president, but has said he will engage other nations through diplomacy and free trade.
"What he says makes sense. People in the military, especially, they have to think about our foreign relations with countries," said Stolba, 32, who recently finished a three-year stint in the Army…..
If any establishment Republicans are trying to comfort themselves by believing that Paul's support in polls will melt away on caucus night, they should consider this: In the Register's final Iowa Poll before the 2008 Republican caucuses, 9 percent of people who planned to caucus said they favored Paul. In the actual caucuses, he was backed by 10 percent of voters…..
Steve Scheffler, president of the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition and a member of the Republican National Committee, said Paul has worked hard in Iowa, the way tradition says candidates should.
"The bottom line is, the people who can have the best organization and turn their people out deserve to come in whatever spot they come in on caucus night," he said.
*Bad weather in Iowa on the 3rd will be good for Ron Paul.
*Romney's still leading in New Hampshire, but Paul is rising faster than Gingrich:
Mr. Paul had 12 percent of the votes in a Boston Globe poll of New Hampshire voters in November, but has since climbed 5 percentage points to 17 percent of the votes. Mr. Gingrich, who was ahead of Mr. Paul in November, has seen his support rise by only 2 percentage points.
*Study up on how the Iowa caucus process actually works.
*What Paul is up against: Politico's Roger Simon boldly states on MSNBC that if Paul wins Iowa, "we just take it out" of discussion or consideration:
*In the difficult but important minutia of how this system actually works--not as simple as just racking up statewide votes on primary and caucus days--see this long analysis of how the GOP establishment is ready for a brokered convention if, as is more likely this time given the new propotional delegate allocation for most pre-April 1 primaries, no one goes in a clear winner. This is of course an opportunity for a miracle for outsiders like Ron Paul, under certain imaginable circumstances. It's complicated, read this article.
*GOP pollster Frank Luntz on C-SPAN says Paul will win Iowa, adding that Paul has "a greater organization than any candidate in American politics today."
*Daily Caller with the unedited footage shows: Ron Paul never did storm out of any CNN interview.
*Also in Daily Caller, me, Brian Doherty, doing a 20 minute podcast late last week on matters Paulian. If you don't mind waiting four and half months for the package to arrive, you can pre-order my forthcoming book about Paul now.
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No mention of DONDERRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOO. Good. Fuck that guy.
"Dondero" kind of sounds like a Mexican drag queen.
The Prisoner's Dilemma provides the logical foundation of why civilization must always continue to grow. Each society faces a choice: do we continue to intensify production, adopt greater complexity, and increase the size or scale of our society, or do we happily accept the level we're already at? If you choose not to intensify, you will be out-competed by those who do?and your lower level of intensity and complexity will become a resource they can absorb to fuel their further acceleration, whether by outright conquest or more subtle forms of economic or cultural exploitation.
Civilizations which fail to grow mark themselves for extinction. Constant growth is the only condition under which civilization can persist. It cannot continue in decline; it cannot continue standing still. In Collapse, Jared Diamond notes that a civilization's collapse very often swiftly follows its peak. In an article for The New York Times (1 January 2005), titled "The Ends of the World as We Know Them," he remarks:
History warns us that when once-powerful societies collapse, they tend to do so quickly and unexpectedly. That shouldn't come as much of a surprise: peak power usually means peak population, peak needs, and hence peak vulnerability.
Thesis #12: Civilization must always grow.
by Jason Godesky | 23 October 2005
http://rewild.info/anthropik/2.....ways-grow/
P.S. Ron Paul as Prez means a short "peace" and then a quick kill-shot to the US from it's competitors.
Russia and China warn America against Iran strike as tensions rise ahead of damning atomic agency report
Will World War III be between the U.S. and China?
'They'd rather sell arms than stand with the Syrian people': U.S. envoy storms out after Russia and China veto U.N resolution
Chinese suspicion over US intentions
Isn't the helicultural city-state refusing to lift the gambol lockdown and allow the plain and forest to grow back? Shouldn't we be doing something about it?
... who believes oaks were once growing in the Sinai Peninsula.
There is a conflict between what is in everyone's best interest collectively, and what is in everyone's best interest individually.
That is the classic "prisoners' dilemma
" game.
And what makes you think that this situation will play out in a Free
Society?
Isn't a Free Society the polar opposite of a prison environment?
This is true, but your assuming that human thriving has no ceiling, and we have only to reference history to see that it absolutely does - but in certain regards. Every temporal revolution of consciousness requires an epoch, a decline and a paradigm shift (This being a "reset" of sorts). From the perspective of microcasm, an individual will experience these at random throughout a lifetime. As Heraclitus observed, things are in a constant flux of becoming and passing away. The United States does not have to dissolve, but it does have to change, and the fact that Paul is doing so well now is evidence of that paradigm shift. The irony is that most people do not like change, albeit some accept that it must occur. Better it happen under our auspices for the sake of attenuating a cataclysmic 'G?tterd?mmerung'.
Also, you give no estimate as to how "short" this "peace" would be - 20 years? 200 years?
The Prisoner's Dilemma provides the logical foundation of why civilization must always continue to grow. Each society faces a choice: do we continue to intensify production, adopt greater complexity, and increase the size or scale of our society, or do we happily accept the level we're already at? If you choose not to intensify, you will be out-competed by those who do?and your lower level of intensity and complexity will become a resource they can absorb to fuel their further acceleration, whether by outright conquest or more subtle forms of economic or cultural exploitation.
Evolution > Primitivism,
The End.
I thought it sounded like Underoos, only instead of superheroes on the underwear there is a bag of douche.
What are you, some kind of instigator?
What are you, some kind of erection?
Yes I am.
And what are you, Warty's headmaster?
*HEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYY*
I'm THE Fonz. I was the first to EVER jump the shark.
"A Traitor in the Empire of Lies" would still have been a better title. 😛
Seriously, if Paul manages to scrape away and take New Hampshire as well as Iowa, imagine the aneurysms and hysteria. God, I long for the day.
Man, it's like you have an opinion on everything!
I know! Aren't functional cerebella and keyboards awesome?
"Awesome" is not the word I would have chosen.
No, you would have. You really would have. If not, get a dictionary and look it up.
It keeps coming up "dilettante narcissist."
D-, try harder.
That Stormfront bounce is more powerful than anybody thought.
Yeah, kind of like that ACORN & Black Panther bounce Obama got...Put him right into the White House. Go figure!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry guys, I think Ron Paul is Done.
That newsletter done him in with the Blacks and Latinos.
Think of it libertarians and conservatives (or anyone, for that matter), I you daughter came home with ME and you found out that I had a homosexual experience in BAND CAMP when I was 16, would you let your daughter marry me ?
What's this about newsletters?
Would you rather let your daughter go black? I'm asking you, latinos!
Aren't blacks and Latinos overwhelmingly progressive/social democratic/socialistic/pinko anyway?
Latinos: Si Senior
Blacks: Word Up bro
I don't want (or need) their votes anyway. All they want is handouts. Whether it is letting their criminal relatives in from Mexico or welfare and an apartment in the projects.
They need to take personal responsibility.
Are you high?
Yes. And, I'm also acting like Ron Paul.
I'm not sure anybody here would dispute that Paul's flawed, so why the shit would doing what you're doing enrage anybody?
The folks on this site are pretty hard to enrage. I'm just bored.
No, you're acting like someone who thinks they're acting like Ron Paul.
Not so subtle difference.
I disavow this comment.
I didn't write those contracts anyway.
I wouldn't be so disgustingly fat if I didn't constantly take advantage of the food available through agricultural advances, and stopped spending my day parked in front of a tool I constantly denounce the use of.
Idiot
Alice, you are so far off base. See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ture=share
Yea!
That YOUTUBE.com Video which was seen by 304 people (including me just now) speaks for all of us negros/latinos out there that being forced to take personal responsibility for our poverty and laziness.
I'm confused as to what you're arguing. Perhaps if you outline your straw man a little better...
I really don't think the newsletters are really that big of a problem. It's a big strike against him, sure, but remember that there's very little he can do about them even if those views were his own.
Right on! You already provided a rigorously conducted poll of likely black and latino GOP voters, documenting their waning support for Paul following the newsletters. A youtube video is a piss poor rebuttal.
I wonder if the black guy and the latino guy who were rallying for Ron Paul at South Coast Plaza last Friday have heard of the newsletters?
Anecdotal evidence, but relevant.
I don't think your argument means what you think it means.
That newsletter done him in with the Blacks and Latinos.
Blacks aren't involved in the GOP primaries (of their own accord) and are going to vote for BO by > 95% margins in November regardless of who the GOP runs.
Hispanics I'm not sure about, but the newsletter stuff isn't nearly as harsh on them. Plus he's against the wall.
One thing that really might torpedo him in the general election is his support for normalizing relations with Cuba, as the old Cuban exile fucks in Miami essentially control the outcome in FL.
Actually, from polling numbers, it looks like Paul is the one guy who can break out of the 5% black vote level. He might be able to get 10% even.
It is a divide and conquer smear campaign and it isn't working. When you can't argue issues, play he race card. Libertarians by definition are not racist, and Ron Paul is definitely not a racist
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims.
Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees- while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality.
This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism."
-Ron Paul, "What Really Divides Us", December 23, 2002
Re: Alice Bowdown,
Decias, mija?
[Y'were sayin, girl?]
I'm Black, and I still support Ron Paul. I don't believe he wrote those newsletter statements and I don't believe he's a racist.
Beware, there are many more like me.
Many?
Perhaps there is a website?
First, the blacks and Latinos would have to know or care about the stupid newsletter (that is, if Paul takes Iowa and threatens to take NH, and a whopping three blacks or Latinos actually read aforementioned newsletter after CNN or MSNBC decide to mention the "racist newsletter" 600 times in a single day, on a continuous loop, to kill the Paul campaign).
Second, the blacks and Latinos would have to get off their asses and vote.
This shit is what blacks and Latinos care about. If more than half of them can even name who's president (at least, when it's no longer Obama), I'll be very surprised.
This is what a racist sounds like.
Yes, I am racist. So?
Black voters overwhelmingly voted for Obama in 2008 and will again in 2012. (Nearly all (95%) black voters cast their ballot for Democrat Barack Obama. Among Latino voters, 67% voted for Obama while 31% voted for Republican John McCain. -- source: Pew Research Center Publications)
It won't matter what Obama does, and Ron Paul's newsletter, if they're even aware of who Ron Paul is, won't matter. Obama's black, and that's what they're voting for. Perhaps a few of the 5% of those who didn't vote for Obama last time will express concerns about "the newsletter" over the water cooler. Perhaps some of that 5% will try to write in Herman Cain.
I'm racist because I make judgments about people based on patterns I observe in their behavior, and I don't give a soft crap about political correctness. But I wouldn't vote for someone just because they're white. The black electorate votes overwhelmingly for Obama because he's black. There's your racism.
well............since she has to be adult age to even get married, and providing you dont beat her or abuse her or are some kind of dead beat lazy no job having dumb fuck.....its her choice as an ADULT. ( ive already had this discussion with my 14 yr old daughter over thanksginving holiday....)
ooops..this was in response to alice bowies hypo. about a guy taking a dick up the arse in band camp.....
Never presume to speak for me or any other Black person, dipshit.
Anybody who seriously cites DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO should be required to spend an hour reading his blog.
That "DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" thing never gets old.
some critics try to dismiss his young followers by saying their support is based mainly on Paul's opposition to federal anti-marijuana laws.
"I think that really is a slap at the younger generation," she said
Yeah bro they're about weed and JOOS. That second part's a big deal.
Worst election ever. Everyone who's really pro- or anti-Paul is a fucking asshole, Obama and Romney are two barely distinguishable shades of the same asshole, and there's like a goddamn year of this bullshit left before the "...and nothing else happened" we all already know.
I CAN ONLY HATE SO MUCH
This is nonsense. I've spoken with many young Ron Paul supporters. In almost every case, economics is their number one focus. Foreign policy is also high on the list. Drug policy comes much further down the list - as in "I don't do drugs, but I think people should be free to make that choice."
Are you fucking retarded?
some critics try to dismiss his young followers by saying their support is based mainly on Paul's opposition to federal anti-marijuana laws.
Unfortunately, those critics are racists.
So, um, what?
It is Paul's time (at least for the next few weeks); every politician waits for something like this where fate (in the sense that Machiavelli used it) and good planning intermix to create opportunity; Bismarck called it listening to God's footsteps and trying to catch his coattails as he walked by.
donald duck, once I unfortionsly "worked for you... as a minimunsalary... "employee"...
a very enjoying HIPHOPJAM SODIC blakguy rulling the BIGMUSICMACHINE (IN WORKING PLACES AND TIMES, A REAL JAILCELL... logi$tiCAL "labors"... psycologists, farc managing... santuaries... insurgent auuuhority wargs...) so...
enjoy what I can't blog on townhall.com becauyse of the ILLEGAL parallegal pursuing against me using MoreGOV'$ moneay and resourcess, joinning the enemy's IN TEN TIONS!!!...
eat: Being exposed to terror logi$TICK wargauuuuthorities encourages TEAhearts, wargauuthority is the same, on ayatoland, castrocubaland, neolibland, rinoliphantland...
the need fundamentaly to keep us from talk, they are recognized immediately by not let us talk, we "just can't talk in front of them... and We... don't need them to... rule what we think, and they need to hear anywhere the wrong and terror logistick they are, same level of ayers, alinski, dorne, mayorales of ma noriega's cities, farc managing... sodomic societies... pre sharia law...
A Maddam President we need... (Romney looks the only male left not fully attending ayatoland wants the war now to enjoy tedpalapatinekennedy'$ vietnameradesks were bhorK, carter,anamontes, etc... were "created)
and as on 08, drivebymediarrreabeltways brought most GOP candidates, all preffered by ayatoland, castrocuba,farc... (insTEAd of Bush)...
Only TEAproved candidates are completly covering TEA Mainstands to ensure the authority will STOP BEING promoting anamontes "view of cuba... ma noriega... zelaya... sandinists, liberacional CR... prds,cds, gallinatapaas... psoes, "LEGAL ACCEPTATION!!, "auuuthority recognitions!!! to the sea of social INN"justice"... Moregov$, global castrogovs (anamontes, fiu combo...) copies on cities, elected politicians (we still have a warg attack against D'Arpio... ah!, against me, miamidade-panama-costarrica psycologists still "legally" ruling even with their colleages jailed!!!, and castrocuba mentioned pursuing AS WAR ACTS!! blocking defensive acting from the DEFENDERS anti-terror, TEAleaves... battlestars...
Terror needs only logi$ticks, no logistics, no terror, it's simple... (that's why thebrothermuslimhood,newblackpanties,hammas/chickens,mayorales of ma noriega mind"hisPANIC" "newcivillians, castrocoyotesocieties...
castrocoyote lourdesmartinez (single's name) still ORDERS (owns my PObox NAME!!!) to the police (kfrundell, gov auuuthority...) DICTING like a teleprompter the"view" of my mind, have ignored these denounces I did for ayers now... even with auuthorities falling, recalls... they are programmed, they won't stop unless are voted out and pointed as te rro lo gi$TICK more than orK$!!
same as the rest of the "police" (insurgent warg$), we still have rinoliphants (trhump, panamapresident...rumpaul,ETCS) trying to buy TEA heart, TEA Helmsdeep... GOPdor...
Ok ladies... right wing iniciate attacks...
I'm sorry, Kara...
Get a beer, relax by the fire, and stare at some ass:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1281/586xz.jpg
Life's not so bad after all!
Life's not so bad after all!
Oh, yeah? Then explain to me why she's giving a peck to that douchebag wearing a bandana around his new look compliments of hair club for men.
It's probably her sugar daddy, dude.
Hey, we all gotta make a livin', you know?
Shaved chest...check
Droopy man-tits...check
Hair plugs...check
Bandana...check
$50 says the guy is in the used automotive or used medical supplies business.
$50 says he ran guns across the Mexican border for the federal government. He just looks like a borderland gangster, doesn't he?
Yes, the chances are greater that the guy is paid by the federal mafia than he is in the used automotive or medical supply business.
Razors: $2.50
Hamburgers: $10
Hair Plugs: $1000
Cheesy Bandanna: $5
Getting a kiss from a hot-ass chick anyway: Priceless
Real Sugar Daddies Wear Monocles.
So this is what non-verbal tourettes looks like...
finally someone around here making sense. would you like to be my friend? onetime I got a rabbit for easter but when I came back from church it was dead.
Get new batteries and tell Grandma to leave your vibrator alone.
IF DECODER RINGS WERE PASSED OUT IN ORDER TO COMPREHEND THIS POST,I DIDNT RECIEVE ONE!!!!!
The MSM and the GOP Establishment keep underestimating those who support Ron Paul. In the age of the Internet, there's no excuse for being so ignorant. Ron Paul's supporters search out information about economics and foreign policy and other issues. It's out their for the political pundits too, if they wish to learn.
s/their/there/
sed - Nice!
I think the age of the establishment gatekeepers is thankfully drawing to a close.
Twenty years ago, people got their news from 3 television channels and 3 newspapers. IF they wanted more, they had to hire a clipping service and pay them *alot*.
Today, no matter how weird your interest, you can find tens to millions of editors all packaging the news for you. It's a different era. A better era. The transition is painful and will be for some time, but it is taking us to a better place.
The transition is a far better place.
I was born way too late for my rightfully anointed role in life.
I should have hand an abortion.
Terrymac: not "underestimate"... they know exactly what they're doing. Libertarian philosophy does not fit neatly in their little left-right, blue-red view of the world. Ergo, Paul can't be understood, so if we all wish hard enough, he'll just go away.
^this^
Wow, they laid into the newsletter story last night on ABC evening news, and gave a confused and convoluted explanation of the Stormfront donation incidents that made it sound like Ron Paul was supporting white supremacists instead of the other way around. Not sure if it was deliberate or if the reporter just doesn't know how to talk.
All this was followed, of course, by a hard-hitting expose on a baby sticking its hand into BO's mouth while he's vacationing in Hawaii. No mention of all the children whose mouths he's stuck a drone missile into, of course.
Who are you planning to vote for if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination?
May I suggest writing in None of the Above?
NO CONFIDENCE.
In every slot on the ballot.
In realistic, statistical terms, your vote has the chance of achieving at least some real end (i.e. possibly tweaking a single brain cell in a single real person who may have to hand-count your ballot) this way. Numbers-wise, every other possible strategy I can think of is effectively indistinguishable from simply staying home.
I actually changed from Democrat to Republican in NY State to vote for Gary Johnson.
However, it looks like Gary Johnson will run on the Libertarian ticket...So I'll vote for him.
I'm voting for whoever the GOP candidate is. Might choke on my own vomit shortly afterwards if it's Newt though, but those are the sacrifices one makes for one's country.
Wow! So you support most of Barack Obama's policies! I'm sure the eventual nominee will thank you for backing his corporatist platform. 😉
If the choice is between most or all, I'll take most. And of course a BO administration unconcerned with reelection is going to be even worse.
I would also dispute that Romney for instance supports even most of BO's policies.
Atleast Romney would have advisors. With Newt, its whatever bullshit he's made his mind on at any particular time, since you know, he's a historian.
If it comes down to Newt and Obama, I'm definitely voting for gridlock.
Gridlock>kicking out Obama for Romney/Gingrich
Yeah, my thinking is on the grilock path myself. Im in a state with a senate seat up for grabs - thinking its a vote for the R in the senate and reluctantly vote O for pres (assuming romney or newt).
Rather there be gridlock than a full raping. Maybe by 2016, Rand will be ready to run.
If it comes down to Newt and Obama, I'm definitely voting for gridlock.
Voting for gridlock is a tricky thing. Voting for gridlock in 2006 led to totally unified Dem govt in 2009-10.
What happens if the Dems get the House back in 2014 after you voted for BO and gridlock in 2012? We're fucked again, that's what.
Might choke on my own vomit shortly afterwards if it's Newt though
Voting for Newt? You're fucked dude...no offense.
You know, after watching the Kitchen Nightmares marathon on BBCA today, I've changed my mind on that. If it's Gingrich v Obama I'm writing in Gordon Ramsay. Run America like a kitchen!
The REASON I won't vote GOP is because to me, I'd rather have a more liberal Supreme Court and I'm just generally more liberal than I am Libertarian.
The GOP are just a bunch of meanies that wanna deport people, put people in jail, are happy that people's children die due to lack of healthcare, etc. Yea, I'll pay lower taxes as I'm a member of the top 2% (i'm about $60k/year short of 1%) but I run the risk of being locked up more often.
And, I'd rather pay for SOCIALIZED anything than WAR.
Gary Johnson opposes socialization -- you knew that, right?
Not all of it.
Gary Johnson seems to me to be the most level-headed of the Conservatives. I'm going to VOTE for him. I HATE OBAMA. But i don't want the GOP to get hold of the Supreme Court. That will be a disaster.
Yeah, the GOP might put ex-prosecutors who believe the government can dictate what people are allowed to eat and force them to purchase unwanted services from favored companies. 😉
I'd rather have that than Sam Alito.
The ______________ are just a bunch of meanies that wanna deport people, put people in jail, are happy that people's children die due to lack of healthcare, etc.
THIS IS WHAT MOST OF AMERICA ACTUALLY BELIEVES.
The hell you are.
Even with the NEWSLETTERS!!!11!!1!, the Doctor Paul is still the least racist, non-corporatist tool running for president.
And one of the reasons he pulling in votes - he fucking gets that we are out of money. Today's reminder: We need to raise the debt limit again!
http://www.reuters.com/article.....KU20111227
The latest neocon anti-Paul slander ...
Look. I don't really care that he once was a racist. I would bet that the MAJORITY of the presidents (with the exception of Jimmy Carter and Barak Obama) in my life-time are as racist as Ron Paul. Just because the president is racist doesn't make him a bad president.
As along as he legalizes drugs, I'll vote for him.
I have never seen any signs that Ron Paul is a racist.
I have seen him *pander* to racists to get their political support, but I have never seen the slightest sign of racism in any of his policies. Even his support for closed borders - arguably the only racist plank of his platform - is justified on non-racist grounds.
I could be wrong; I don't make it a habit to obsessively follow the guy, but I have read his books, and listened/read a fair number of his speeches, and I doubt that a racist person could have hidden their racism so well that it would be invisible in such a massive corpus of work.
He can't legalize drugs without Congress going along. All he can control is rolling back enforcement, and that would have to be done very carefully to avoid a backlash. For instance, he could probably end raids on medical MJ in states where it's legal with no backlash, but completely stopping all enforcement of the CSA would lead to trouble.
One of the things that I really respect about Ron Paul is he has put a great deal of thought into transitions away from the current system to a freer society.
I find it headbangingly frustrating that his thoughtful approach is branded as "unserious" while the serious guys are coming up with Obamacare's unworkable phase-in system and George Bush's near nuking of the banking system by offering FDIC protection to money market accounts (announced on a Saturday and repealed on a Sunday before it could take effect on a Monday).
He could pardon people in prison on federal drug possession convictions. And make it clear to the DOJ to not prosecute any more.
I think if he goes past possession he gets in trouble with congress though. At least at first.
What is the trouble to which Tulpa refers?
If RP pardonned every single person ever (I know of no restraint, constitutional or otherwise, which would prevent posthumous pardons) convicted of possessing ANY drug, what could Congress do about it?
Bullshit. The president can instruct the attorney general to drop all disputed cases for medical marajuana and assure voters in those state he won't thwart their will and will veto any congressional attempt to.
And Congress would override those vetoes without any doubt whatsoever. There ain't 145 representatives or 34 senators who are going to risk being painted as soft on drugs in the next election.
I mean, he doesn't pledge an oath to the CSA. He pledges an oath to the Constitution. If the CSA is unconstitutional, he can shut down enforcement.
I'm talking about practical problems, not moral ones.
Congress can impeach and convict him, and I could totally see 2/3 majorities uniting against him in both houses if he tries to unilaterally end enforcement of CSA.
(with the exception of Jimmy Carter and Barak Obama)
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That's a spoofer -- it's gotta be.
I remember wearing Donderoos when I was a kid.
Brian Doherty's wet dream is a racist bag of shit pulling the wool over everybody's eyes. Dream on, Doherty. Enjoy the orgasm before you wake up.
Relax, Maxy-boy, and have yourself a taco:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img.....dtruck.jpg
Re: Maxipad,
Please use a Kleenex to clean after you, pet yorkie! Your mom does not want those weird stains on her carpet again.
America is not mature enough for a BLACK Centrist or Progressive President.
I really wish the Democratic Party just got rid of Barak Obama. There wouldn't have been as much noise had he been white.
I know that White America voted Obama in in 2008. However, the other White America WOKE UP like a Sleeping Giant...and I've never seen the country like this.
Dude, the noise about Barack Obama is muted because he's black.
If he had been white he would probably be facing impeachment over Fast and Furious.
The media has been treating his and his staff's venality and incompetence with kid gloves.
If you couldn't touch Reagan for Iran/Contra-Gate nor touch Slick Willy for Blowjob-Gate, I'll doubt you can get ANYONE for a typical BUY-BUST that goes on in the Ghetto every single day for the last 50 years.
There was no buy-bust.
At this point, it's clear there was no law enforcement rationale at all for the project.
Its purpose was for the ATF to get more political power while advancing the administration's hoplophobic victim-disarmament agenda.
This is far closer to Watergate than Clinton's perjury in a civil trial or Reagan's attempts to get round congress' strictures on how he conducted foreign policy.
I disagree. It was a buy bust gone bad.
And, as for any individual (CEO, farm worker, teacher, Police officer, DEA Agent) wanting to use their POWER to advance...I believe that's what you call Capitalism.
OK....
Thank you for sharing, Humpty Dumpty.
Fuck, you're retarded.
You're serious, aren't you?
Yes, RPA, she is serious.
Alice, meet rather; rather, Alice. You two are seated next to one another at a lovely little table down in the rec room. Why don't you go find your places and get to know each other?
Re: Alice Bowdown,
NOBODY can stomach a centrist progressive of any color, Alice. No matter how perfectly chiseled are his pectorals.
One of the reasons why I'm in favor of less government is because when you have more government industrialists take it over and the two together form a coalition against the ordinary worker and ordinary consumer.
Milton Friedman
Ron Paul 2012!
Ron Paul being elected for pres 2012 would be just as David Duke had won.
This is a classic "divide-and-conquer" smear campaign tactic. Get the masses to fight amongst themselves, and they will take their eye of the true enemy ...(fascist, corporatist elite and their bought and paid for mass media and establishment government partners (AKA traitors).
Libertarians by definition cannot be racist, and Ron Paul is the complete opposite of a racist. I am sad to see how many of our fellow citizens are buying these tactics, and failing to see who the real racists and oppressors are. I urge every US citizen to educate themselves on the tyranny of the last Hundred years, and how Ron Paul wants to eliminate it for ALL people. Don't buy thier lies!!
Here are Ron Paul's true feelings on race:
"The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims.
Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees- while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality.
This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism."
-Ron Paul, "What Really Divides Us", December 23, 2002
wow...I've come to the conclusion that libertarians buy the Milton Freedman crap the way Evangelicals buy the Bible.
The TRUTH is that CORPORATIONS run the GOVERNMENT. And, the FREE MARKET ALLOWED corporations to become SO BIG and SO few that is actually possible to BUY THE GOVERNMENT.
You will NEVER get rid of GREED.
You will NEVER get rid of CORPORATIONS
You will NEVER get rid of CORPORATE GREED
You will NEVER get rid of CORPORATIONS owning the GOVERNMENT.
No matter who you vote for.
Not to say that Ron Paul is a bad guy. He's better than the other BOZOs in the Party. And Romney is the WHITE-OBAMA.
Needs moar ALL CAPS and !!1!
I agree. Nothing accentuates economic ignorance and obliviousness to history like all-caps.
Without them, Alice's comments won't deliver their full payload of blistering obtuseness.
That's some deliciously turgid prose, T.
Re: Alice Bowdown,
You believe this despite the fact that big corporations couldn't care less about the free market and that their lobbyist have helped legislate truly anti-free market regulations and tariffs almost since 19th Century.
But go ahead, Alice - believe it was the "free market" that made companies so big.
Corporations have nothing to do with a free market. In a free market, there would be no corporations - at least not ones where the government subsidizes their liability.
Gosh, I've represented a lot of corporations in my day, and not one where the government subsidized its liability.
I must be doing it wrong. Any idea where I file an application for this subsidy?
File for incorporation. In a free market, owners would not need a government "license" and would either purchase liability insurance or assume full liability for their actions and those of the actors they hire. A free market would be made of partnerships and proprietorships only, not corporations. A partnership could organize like a corporation but would not have their liability limited.
Incorporation does not limit the liability of a corporation, it limits the liability of its shareholders to the extent of their investment in the company.
The liability of a corporation for its debts, negligence or criminal acts is limited in the same way an individuals is. In the event of bankrupcy assets are paid out to creditors on a pro-rata basis if any are left after secured creditors have been satisfied.
Individuals get to shelter far more of their assets in the case of bankruptcy than any corporation does.
And, as nearly any small busines owner can tell you there is nothing stopping a lender from demanding that owners assume personal liability for a corporation's debts.
Libertarians by definition cannot be racist
Huh? The narrowest definition of a libertarian is that a libertarian abides literally by the NAP, and even that doesn't exclude racists. Racism isn't necessarily coercive, and indeed usually isn't.
It is funny to watch all the reactions to Ron Paul, it shows loudly many in the GOP are clueless to what is going on.
Integrity is hard to capture now days so when we see it, it is LOUD and CLEAR, Its too bad so many in the GOP have no integrity at all thus why its so hard to recognize, LOL.
Shucks, I just lost my commenting privilege over at The Right Scoop for defending Ron Paul's foreign policy positions.
http://www.therightscoop.com/k.....istianity/
Yeah they're really whipping up the anti-Paul sentiment.
Best one was a blog telling about Paul almost refused to vote for the Afghan war because he thought Bush would use it as an excuse to invade Iraq. And the blogger was calling Paul an insane conspiracy nut. Except the insane conspiracy nut was predicting exactly what would take place.
But don't point this out. I used to bash the libertarians who accused Republicans of loving war. But when you see people talking about how we "have to take care of Iran" I don't know what else fits.
President Obama will win 2012!
I predict that going forward there's going to be a lot more people yelling "bullshit" at the talking heads and politicians on their tv sets. They can trash the messenger but they can't stop the message.
How about doing some real reporting and find out what Mitt Romney is hiding in his financials that he doesnt want us to see!?
They only thing you'll find is that Mitt has a
- Mexican cutting his lawn
- Another Mexican cleaning his house
- Perhaps a third Mexican sitting his kids
- China-man doing his laundry
- Gay-dude cutting his hair
Other than that, he's pretty clean.
Dog in cage on car roof for long road trip.
How does it feel driving with a bowl full of your feces suspended over your head?
Dude! Why would you think someone knows the answer to that question? People are more statistically likely to cut off their own genitalia than to do that!
Didn't Top Gear do that?
My favorite episode. Just leave Captain Slow alone, guys! ::sobs::
Uh, OK, but what leads you to believe he's hiding something, other than the fact you don't like him and need to distract people from your own candidate's rough edges?
Mitt sure spent alot of money sanitizing the record of his tenure in MA. Remember, we live in a very corrupt state. Generally the next step on the cursus honorum for the speaker of the state-house is a state or federal penitentiary.
What's with the influx of crazies this week? I understand the troll-spikes when Reason-related things show up on MSNBC etc., but what happened recently? Ron Paul coverage?
Yep, the RP. RP-related articles always bring a few drive-bys. Plus, Reason has learned that any article which mentions teh newzletters will reliably get at least 300 comments and presumably a correspondingly high pageview count.
Maybe if more people would donate during the webathon they wouldn't have to whore themselves out in this fashion.
I've also noticed that the blocked-list in reasonable seems to be picking up a number of (normally) non-crazy, non-troll handles. What's with that?
The wisdom of crowds, apparently. I assume I'm on that list?
Summer webathon, dude. Like many others, I'm tapped out at xmas.
Yeah, it made no sense to me for them to do that during a holiday season. I think someone suggested that it's a good idea because of the end of the tax year, but most people tend to have a little more disposable during the summer.
Tonio-
Actually, that's not true.
Most, if not all, of Reason's advertising is performance-based, so they don't make money on page views.
The advertisers only pay when users click through and/or buy something.
How about doing some real reporting and find out what Mitt Romney is hiding in his financials that he doesnt want us to see!?
Let's see:
Being a sleazy venture capitalist vs. being a lying racist scum.
It's real close.
You'd better hope you're not black, lest Ron Paul's White Knights of Amerika come for your dumb ass in the night!
Is that an attempt at obstruction there, son?
Over at Slate, our old friend Dave Weigel seems determined to get to the bottom of the newsletter issue.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/wei.....tters.html
Very Interesting. Obviously he is motivated to less government because more-government does protect minorities.
Re: Alice Bowdown,
And obviously you entertain this clumsy non sequitur because you're so smart.
Protect them from what?
AB: From themselves, of course! They're like animals!
"more-government does protect minorities."
I think I ruptured my spleen laughing.
The fleet footed black muggers are going to thank him.
You'll never convince the Paulophants.
Someone could find video of Paul at a Klan rally, and they'd still defend him.
They're nothing but blind sheep.
No bullshit, no mockery -- if you found a video of Paul at a Klan rally burning an effigy of Martin Luther King, I'd still vote for him, and so would anybody in their right minds.
I don't give two shits about any racial convictions he held in the past. He's running for the Presidency, not for Colin's Ideal Moral Paragon of the Year. When will your dumb ass cut the shit and get that through your thick fucking skull?
Thanks "Serious Man"
I'm now convinced that Ron Paul was probably a typical racist southerner that viewed government intervening in JIM CROW and the such is TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT. The GOVERNMENT should have probably been help BULL CONNER and NOT bringing Fairness to NEGROS...the FREE MARKET can take care of that. I think that this is probably how RON PAUL along with GEORGE WALLACE and others probably felt.
BUT DOES THAT MATTER? Times have changed. And he's probably changed as well.
This is probably futile, but worth a shot:
Alice, hon, the reason why there were Jim Crow laws was to prevent the rise of a black bourgeois class that free markets were allowing to occur.
And Ron Paul is from Pennsylvania - which is competitive with Indiana for the title of most racist state in the union.
Pennsylvania (along with a significant part of NJ) are SOUTH of the Mason/Dixie Line
No, the line is the Pennsylvania and Maryland border.
In what universe retard?
Alice is correct on the location of the Mason-Dixon line. Maryland was very much a plantation economy slave state.
Oops, misattributed. NoVAHockey is correct; Alice Bowie is (unsurprisingly) wrong again.
I've driven past it several times. It is in Penn ... a little north of the border.
Ummm no.
Jesus Alice, you are so goddamn stupid. And, I don't believe the "English is my second language bullshit anymore". You've had plenty of time to learn, and besides it's not the grammar of your posts that betrays your mushy-mindedness, but the lack of any historical perspective or knowledge shown in your comments.
It's obvious that you're merely parroting things you've read in the comments section of other sites with no critical faculty parsing the bullshit in between the reading and the parroting.
I used to think that perhaps you were a well meaning foreigner that was learning the language, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. But, you don't post here for a couple years and you're back now with the same bland, (obviously)parroted bullshit. You've learned nothing. In short, fuck you Alice.
I sorry miter
Hey, if you're so damn smart in your native language, then post in it. I'm sure we have someone here who can translate retard to english.
???????????????
No. They have a sign a few hundred feet north of the PA/MD border, but the line itself is the border.
I watched the video, he was defending the letter about DC blacks being criminal. It was clear to me from reading it that Paul was criticizing the DC criminal justice system that makes blacks criminal due to drug and gun laws and that it was indeed taken out of context.
And as a Hispanic I say screw you and screw big government. I don't need or want them to protect me at the expense of liberty.
Really why do you bother? Do a quick search before making such a stupid comment.
Government MADE Jim Crow, dumbass -- everything from democratic mandates to the trickery of executives in government enacted that shitty wall of laws over the transitional century. What public school did you attend?
Aren't there two newsletters? One about the gold standard and financials and the other about the political crap?
The [very few] racist comments in Ron Paul's newsletters are unfortunate. But compared to the very large volume of work that Paul has published over the years, along with a huge record of public speaking, it seems unlikely that these few comments represent the Congressman's beliefs. I do not believe that Ron Paul is a racist.
Ron Paul 2012
See for yourself in the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal supplied by A Serious Man...and tell me what you think ?
Many Germans believed Hitler wasn't really racist, either. That was just idle talk.
Re: Culito,
Good one. I was wondering when some imbecile was going to resort to the Argumentum Ad Hitlerium
By the way, Hitler wrote his book himself while in jail, and had the habit of giving it as a birthday present to many of his staffers and generals especially during the war.
Good point. The National Socialist Worker's Party that he joined had plenty of racist planks in their 1920 platform too. The non-racist planks were Socialist. Racism, including Naziism, is a condition of the left today and was born from leftist politics.
Dude, if you think racism has leftist roots, you ae so clueless that I wonder how you manage to breathe.
The guys defending the monarchy and the privileges of the church were utterly racist - often more so than the leftists promoting the idea of economic freedom.
Re: Tarran,
Progressive roots, Tarran. Progressive.
Hitler, according to Shirer's TRAFOTTR, initially titled the book something like, "three and a half years struggle against lies, injustice and stupidity".
If one contrasts Mein Kampf with Ron Paul's manifesto one thing kind of leaps out:
Ron Paul wants government to leave people alone so that they can order their affairs how they wish and keep more of what they make.
Hitler wanted the state to enforce racial purity and was willing to use violence to acheive it.
Racism was a central plank of Hitler's message, and without it, he had nothin'. Anybody who though he was lying about the racism had to be incredibly obtuse - to the point that I think you might be lucky to find .1% of the population believing it.
The notion that freeing black people from the depredations of the War on Some Drugs, their neighborhoods from the progressive wrecking ball in the name of improvement, etc is somehow racist is so laughable that one has to question the mental capacity of the person who advances it as a serious argument.
Although it appears that he's a typical white racist southerner that takes civil rights for BLACKS as a "Get back at Whitie" thing, that shouldn't matter.
So what he's a racist.
I've encountered more northern racism than I have southern racism, and by a phenomenally wide margin -- you're not from DC, are you?
I thought you were too stupid to breathe but somehow you keep posting. Oxygen tank?
Ron Paul's racist comments, and his perennial attempts to waive them away, give all of the appearance of someone who never thought his comments would escape into the wild.
Re: John Tagliaferro,
Prove they were his. Otherwise, fuck off.
NOT ONE SPEECH, NOT ON WRITTEN LETTER or TEXT or BOOK directly attributed to HIM contains a single line that comes close to have the style and prose that make those few newsletters. I can make a case MORE PLAUSIBLE that they were penned by Dondero than by Paul.
FUCK YOU, JT.
Again, I don't think he wrote them nor that the statements reflect his views, but he did actually sign the advertisement for his newsletter warning of a "coming race war". I just wish he'd explain it all better because it is inconsistent with his verbal rhetoric and his political views, which is the reason I'm voting for him.
I just want to take Israel's serpentine cock out of his pants and say 'hi, Sunshine!'
I know an alpha when I see it, and it sure as hell isn't the US of Ass
Today Iowa, and tomorrow the world!
Sieg Heil!
This just in: http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4692/firehu.jpg
Colin caught dancing for equality at the 2012 Democratic National Convetion
DONDEROOOOOOOOO!!!!
Were you the ghostwriter, D?
Doesn't that sound like those newsletters?
Besides:
Dondero sidesteps a question about working for another candidate on CNN
Islamism runs counter to every belief we libertarians hold dear.
Republicans run counter to every belief we libertarians hold dear.
Democrats run counter to every belief we libertarians hold dear.
Republicans/Democrats = Islamism.
It's the transitive property.
Dondero once told me that without Dubya's invasion of Iraq, Al Queda would be launching Scud missiles from Mexico into Texas... and he was serious.
The guy is seriously detached from reality.
Goodness, Dondero has jizz all over his mouth, chin and chest area.
Someone give that man a tissue!
Who cares if Ron Paul is racist?
Our current president went to a church with a racist pastor, has a racist wife, and is probably racist himself.
It would matter if the president could/would shape policy based upon his racism, but I don't see how he can.
So what does it matter other than to give fuel to fallacious ad-hominem arguments?
Remember that our racist current (Black) president and his (Black) racist wife have had good mentors and teachers to learn from over the past 400 some odd years.
I do agree with you. It should matter that he is racist. He should run and face the consequence and TAKE PERSONAL responsibility when he gets the BIG NO VOTE from us BLACKS/LATINOS.
Re: Alice Bowdown,
What's with this "us" business, you worthless sack of fleet-footed cat shit?
I'll tell ya... You ole dirty Sanchez you... No one can OUT TROLL YOU...I've tried 4 YEARS.
Re: Alice Bowdown,
And the idiot took the bait.
http://www.americanfishingadve...../fish1.jpg
That u Mexico ?
I am sensing that Alice is not only not white, but full of raw hatred towards those who are.
Are you referring to the fact that BLACKS being racist towards WHITES?
If whites refuse to vote for Obama because the perceive he's racist, they are terrible people.
If blacks and latinos refuse to vote for Paul because they perceive he's racist, he's a terrible person.
Gotcha.
Unfortunately, as you mentioned above, the entire RACIST thing leaves us at a MEXICAN STAND-OFF.
Many White voted for OBAMA.
Many Whites voted Against a BLACK MAN.
Many Whites took to the streets and DEMANDED their country back as well.
The Fact is, White people treated Black People pretty Shitty. And, many of those white people are still around. the RACIST ARGUMENT IS MUTE.
It does NOT MATTER who is and WHO ISN'T racist today.
I think you mean MOOT.
What's a mute argument?
Apparently, something Ron Paul uses quite effectively to prove he's a racist.
Don't include me in your ignorant shit. Keep the fuck away. I don't want anything to do with you or your kind of any race, creed or nationality. You are the shit and mire from which true humanity rises above.
Yes MOOT.
My understanding on Ron Paul's view on Civil Rights, I may be wrong, is that while he objects to mandated segregation (Jim Crow) he opposes laws forbidding it.
I happen to agree.
If someone wants to be a racist jerk and refuse to do business with white people, let him.
If some homo wants to put up a sign that says 'Breeders go home!', let him.
If society thinks that is wrong, then these bigots will go out of business.
IOW let the free market decide.
Perhaps today sarc, However, I doubt without government intervention, BLACKS would have been the MUSLIMS-TERRORIST of America. They would have become violent at some point. And, just like the Indians, would have fought back. THE FREE MARKET WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR BLACK PEOPLE.
The problem was not a lack of government intervention, but the existence of it.
Why were there separate drinking fountains for blacks and whites? Because the law said so. Without those laws it would have been up to the owner of the drinking fountain.
Why did gas stations in many states not allow blacks to use their restrooms?
Because the law said so. Without those laws it would have been up to the business.
Why did businesses not allow blacks at the counter? Because the law said so. Without those laws it would have been up to the business.
And so on and so forth.
This was a problem created by government.
The LOCAL Government WAS the majority RACIST PEOPLE. And, those people overwhelmingly vote FOR these LAWS. So, not only was the Judge, Prosecutor, and COPS a bunch of racists, so was practically EVER WHITE PERSON in the south.
If the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT didn't interfere, it would have been pretty bad.
RON PAUL and other LIBERTARIANS complains about GOVERNMENT when it comes to people's help.
JIM CROW was good for WHITE PEOPLE
JIM CROW was bad for BLACK PEOPLE
Regardless of which way the government behaved, it would be on ONE PERSONs side. There is no WIN-WIN on this one.
There were two parts to Civil Rights laws.
One part forbade state and local governments from forcing racist policies. That part (to my understanding) Paul supported.
That's what my last post was referring to.
The second part made it criminal to keep doing what the law forced them to do.
That's the part that I and (to my understanding Paul) oppose.
If people and businesses would have done these things voluntarily, why did they need laws telling them to?
If the laws were needed, then wouldn't the practices have stopped?
If the laws weren't needed, then why did they exist?
and it wouldnt take many businesses to stop the practice for market forces to start working.
One bus company stops segregating, all the blacks start riding those busses. The other companies get driven out of business if they keep segregating.
And im assuming that practices ending had more to do with stopping local and state government laws than banning private practice.
Its not like the local police now were all of a sudden going to bust a gas station that wouldnt serve a black person. And its not like the Feds had enough resources to prosecute every random diner.
My guess is it mostly happened because a few business here and there desegregated and thats where blacks took their money. And over time this breaks down the strength of the racist attitudes in people.
You know that there are plenty of posters on this here blog who express the point of view that the principle of consistent application of free minds and free markets to every sphere of human endeavour must be subordinate to the principle of rejecting free minds and free markets when it comes to matters of race.
Yes
Of course these policies were democratically enacted. The legislature wrote the bill, the governor/mayor signed it into law, and the judges/police enforced the law. And, they were unfavorable towards black people. THAT IS THE FACT.
Now, if you believe in LIBERTY, perhaps you believe that the GOVERNMENT should intervene in situations like this.
You can't have free markets without the ADULT in the ROOm.
Democratically enacted laws are voted upon by everyone, not just the representatives.
Clearly you don't even know basic civics.
I'm done with your idiocy.
c-ya!
There's more to life than is taught in basic courses. But not knowing that, having never learned it, has not removed any of your certainty in your own rightness, and has probably inflated it, which is why you feel entitled never to say anything except to call others poopyheads.
Apparently in basic civics you learned that people are never capable of voting for non-corrupt representatives. So what, you, in the vastness of your knowledge of basic civics, ought to be king?
Keep sucking on those fallacies Tony.
It's all you've got.
Ad hominem, straw man, false equivalency and false dilemma, all in one post!
That's amazing!
How do you do it?
Stroking all those fallacies at once?
I'm floored!
"Apparently in basic civics you learned that people are never capable of voting for non-corrupt representatives."
And yet Tony wants to give those representatives much more power.
Liberty includes the right of a racist jerk to exclude patrons based upon race.
Liberty gives me the right to choose not to do business with racist jerks.
When enough people choose not to do business with the racist jerk, he goes broke.
That's how the free market works.
When the vast majority of people are racist JERKS, the business with THRIVE. You just have to HOPE that you are born WHITE and/or wealthy.
And that's how the free market works.
Vocal minority does not equal vast majority.
Thank you for reminding me of why I usually ignore you.
You're stupid, and stupid can't be fixed.
Respectfully, I don't think a Vocal Minority can pass so many votes for such policies as Jim Crow. It was a majority. Maybe not Vast. But most likely.
Those policies were not democratically enacted, so they did not need a majority of racist voters. Only a majority of racist politicians.
Your ignorance is painful to watch.
Ha?
These policies went through the legislative branch (the racist politicians), signed by the execute (the racist mayor/governor), and upheld by the judiciary (racist judge and police) and voted by the people.
Ha?
These policies went through the legislative branch (the racist politicians), signed by the execute (the racist mayor/governor), and upheld by the judiciary (racist judge and police) and voted by the people.
And Alice? You can take your "respectfully" and stick it up your stupid-ignorant-racist ass.
This was a reply... squirrels.
If you voted for OBOMA to prove that you are not RACIST,
Vote for Ron Paul to prove that you are not STUPID
If you're a racist, vote for Ron Paul!
All the young folks WILL show up.
Slaves will be free when we cut slaveowners' taxes.
Ron Paul is old, but he wasn't alive in 1860.
WTF squirrels?
Republicans are still on the search for the next Messiah. They've run through everyone they "thought" they loved. Now with so few candidates left, they are picking through the garbage for candidates they have originally written off.
This time they are giving a second look at Ron Paul...who dislikes military spending, foreign wars, foreign aid to Israel and who likes marijuana, drugs and prostitution.
It's going to be a real struggle for Republicans to find the true Messiah.
They may have to settle for a false prophet.
Republicans are still on the search for the next Messiah.
Were you frozen in a block of ice in '08? Holy fuck are democrats forbidden to use that argument for at least a generation. On a mission to rupture spleens from laughter? You'll succeed if you keep that up.
Interesting that Paul's lead shrinks and reason's headline is "Paul Marches On In Iowa."
I thought the weekend would solidify Romney's lead nationwide, and I wasn't proven wrong. And since Paul refuses to address the racist newsletters published in his name, it's not going to change.
He should start positioning himself for a re-election campaign, because that's the only thing he'd have a chance at winning in November.
Please name one government policy based upon race which RP has supported.
How about the fact that he said he supported the south's secession, which was based on enslaving people.
Hey, I support the south's secession today. I'd rather those assholes live in a separate country. I like the northern whites better. They are nicer to us.
And, if that makes me a racist, so be it. I'll vote for Ron Paul and live in the North.
So, you support the enslavement of people by your inaction? Classy libertarian response to a real-world problem: It's none of my business.
Actually, REASON TV has "Nanny of the Month" where they criticize people that don't "Mind their business"
Maybe they ought to do a profile on people who want America to be a beacon on liberty for the world, and a nation that helps people achieve freedom. I'm pretty sure Paul wouldn't make the list.
Now, if they did a profile on politicians who stand for silently allowing enslavement of their fellow man, Paul would most certainly be on the top of the list.
Two trolls argue In the woods. Does anyone care?
I like the northern whites better. They are nicer to us.
Having lived North and South, I can just about guarantee you this isn't true (certainly in the urban areas), and shows that any claim Alice has to solidarity with the black man is purely fictional.
Thanks. Love you too. Way to paint folks with a broad brush.
Sincerely,
One of those assholes from the South
Time for the anti-Paulites and the democrats to admit they are absolutely worthless:
http://www.reuters.com/article.....KU20111227
Take of knitting, get the fuck out of politics. You're doing it wrong.
What are they supposed to do, default on our debts?
Guys, FUCK Ron Paul.
What happened to Gary Johnson. I like him much better.
Running in the LP. I prefer GJ too, as do many here. He doesn't have Paul's baggage or history of wacky rhetoric. He's also an actual (if moderate/pragmatic) libertarian who would use the federal government to defend rights, and not just a federalist who would still allow states to violate rights like Ron Paul (see: Paul's views on Lawrence v. Texas).
The worst you can say about GJ is that he smoked weed, which is in keeping with most people in this country and just about all politicians.
Something between Johnson and Ron Paul would be ideal. Paul is stronger on foreign policy and economics, Johnson on just about everything else. Given the momentum of Ron Paul, it makes no sense to change horses now. Maybe Johnson as VP?
So Johnson running for VP on one ticket and President on another?
Where do you people live, fantasyland?
He isn't running for the LP, yet.
According to his website, he will announce exactly that tomorrow at 10am in Santa Fe.
He still has to win the nomination. When will that take place?
Nobody's changing horses. Johnson's move to the LP enables both candidates to operate simultaneously. If by some miracle Paul convinces enough voters to win a plurality of delegates by the end of the race, I'd hope the LP would suspend their candidate.
But since Paul will not likely win the nomination unless Democrats register as Republicans en masse and vote for Mr. Stormfront (I keed, I keed...), Johnson allows us a desirable candidate on the ballot in November.
Ron Paul has been the only politician I'd want to vote for, though Johnson is another possible exception. Alas, I can vote for neither (Canadian).
Ron Paul is eithe a racist bag of shit or the most incompetent fuck ever to publish a newsletter.
A newsletter he didn't own at the time the controversial one's were published? I guess that means that Obama should be held accountable for what Jeremiah Alvesta Wright said all of the times that he wasn't there when he said controversial things.
Check and Mate.
"Eric Dondero is a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues. He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously."
So does Paul in fact believe the US had no interest in stopping the Holocaust?
"Eric Dondero is a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues. He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously."
Now Jeffrey Scott Shapiro reports that Paul told him he wouldn't have risked American lives to end the Holocaust.
"Eric Dondero is a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues. He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously."
I see. Well, it's good of Paul to take a principled stand in defense of his views. We need somebody to stand up on the national stage and explain to people that Obama is a dictator. And somebody has to tell the truth about the Fed, and the Trilateral Commission, and 9/11....
"Eric Dondero is a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues. He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously."
I've read your post three times and still cannot understand a word of it. Could you translate it to human for us, please?
$20 that's Dondero.
Dondero has said plenty of stupid shit in the past, but that doesn't mean he's lying (Paul's campaign manager refused to deny any of the specific allegations when asked about it today). Plus, there are plenty of other sources corroborating Paul's insane comments and conspiracy theories, which Reason never gets around to mentioning. And honestly, Paul has said even more dumb things than Dondero. If he wanted to smear Paul, he'd obviously just accuse him of racism because it would have a greater impact.
It's not much of a leap to suggest that Ron Paul is a full-bown Alex Jones-style Truther given all the evidence of his softcore Trutherism, his extreme anti-government paranoia in general, and his close friendship with Jones and others like him. At this point, nothing will convince the hardcore Paul cultists that their man is a lunatic (yes, a lunatic who gets some things right, but a lunatic nonetheless) who conveniently disregards his principles for the sake of gaining political power.
"At this point, nothing will convince the hardcore Paul cultists that their man is a lunatic (yes, a lunatic who gets some things right, but a lunatic nonetheless) who conveniently disregards his principles for the sake of gaining political power."
Well, you could start with something like evidence rather than the worthless rant you posted.
Here are a few links to Ron Paul's conspiracy mongering, just for starters.
And there's much, much more out there - it's really not hard to find. But the hardcore Paulians will just conveniently ignore it or hand wave it away (I like the guy above who said that a video of Paul at a Klan rally wouldn't change his mind).
Shake gets it.
Collect your $20.
Where did Ron Paul get the idea that the US or Israel supported Hamas?
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....11847.html
It is history, nobody denies it. Back when Arafat was the big boogey man Hamas was allied with us against them. Did you read 1984? It explains better than I can how Big Brother US would like to operate. Erase History. Will you let them?
Ronald Ernest Paul MD is on fire in the hearts & minds of men (women)
Woman figures out how to actually keep money out of blood-sucking lawyers' hands by taking Honda to small claims court over bullshit mileage claims.
Stick it to the trial lawyers! Fuck yeah!
Ron Paul is sticking to his news letter explanation, which is a little too sparse for some people.
The mainstream press is like a tabloid, and they want the dirt. They want to see Ron Paul throw someone under the bus. They want some fireworks.
Ron Paul knows that there is no end to the mining for mud. The more information he gives out, the worse it will get. He cannot get any benefit from engaging this argument further. He will not be treated fairly.
I don't know if he even has any more info to give. But he's doing the right thing by keeping it simple. I live in his congressional district, and while I wouldn't call him a politician, he does have pretty good political instincts, and they are serving him well here
The liberal press is smearing Ron Paul by quoting him verbatim. Shame!
Ssssshhhhh.....don't say liberal and press together. We want people to believe we are objective.
Ron Paul will win Iowa and then either take New Hampshire or come in a strong second... yet he's not viable? It's funny how the media is claiming a Paul victory in Iowa will discredit the state but not if anyone else wins. It doesn't get much more hypocritical than that.
http://www.whatthehellbook.com/the-book/
More and more people know that Ron Paul is a racist bag of shit.
So are we!!!!