Congress Lifts Horse Slaughter Ban
Congress's five-year-old ban on domestic horse slaughter died a quiet death right before Thanksgiving. The reason cited for ending the ban? A GAO report on unintended consequences, says the Oklahoman:
Members of Congress who decided to end the prohibition on domestic horse slaughtering relied heavily on research provided in June by the General Accountability Office, Congress' auditing arm.
At the request of top members of the subcommittees that oversee spending for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the GAO looked into the effects of the ban — in place since 2006 — and released a report entitled "Horse Welfare: Action Needed to Address Unintended Consequences from Cessation of Domestic Slaughter."
Though there are some shades of gray, the report clearly connects the ban to an increase in abandoned horses, a drop in prices for some horses and a dramatic increases in exports of horses for slaughter.
"Horse welfare in the United States has generally declined since 2007, as evidenced by a reported increase in horse abandonments and an increase in investigations for horse abuse and neglect,'' the report states.
"The extent of the decline is unknown due to a lack of comprehensive, national data, but state officials attributed the decline in horse welfare to many factors, but primarily to the cessation of domestic slaughter and the U.S. economic downturn.
"Abandoned, abused, and neglected horses present challenges for state and local governments, tribes and animal welfare organizations."
More here.
As I noted during an earlier guestblogging stint here at Hit & Run in June, the unintended consequences GAO reported and that led Congress to act may have been unintended, but were nevertheless predictable:
[A] 2006 report, The Unintended Consequences of a Ban on the Humane Slaughter (Processing) of Horses in the United States… predicted, among other problems, that "[t]he potential for a large number of abandoned or unwanted horses is substantial."
Justifications for a ban were never clear nor convincing. For example, the claim (made by an official from a group that helped usher in the ban) that "we don't eat horses" is disingenuous and lacks support. Under the ban, Americans can't buy domestic horsemeat. What's more, while the completely NSFW case earlier this month of a Portland nudist who slaughtered and gutted a horse, posed for pictures inside the horse, and then ate the horse may be somewhat of an outlier, an unscientific CNN poll last year found 37% of respondents either had or would eat horse.
Another argument--that jobs slaughtering horses "are of dubious economic value to the individuals who take them"--doesn't even warrant a response beyond noting it for posterity.
So now that horse slaughter is coming back to the U.S., will you eat horse meat?
Baylen Linnekin is the director of Keep Food Legal, a nonprofit dedicated to preserving and increasing "culinary freedom," the right of all Americans to grow, sell, prepare and eat foods of their own choosing. To join or learn more about the group's activities, go here. To follow Keep Food Legal on Twitter, go here; to follow Linnekin, go here.
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Leela: "Hmm."
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Man: "All our horses are 100% horse-fed for that double-horse "juiced-in" goodness."
Leela: "I'll have the cholesterol-free omelet with horse-beaters."
Man: "And you, Sir? How can I horse you?"
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Man: "Horse Pepsi okay?"
Hermes: "Nay."
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I refuse to enjoy horse meat until alt-text comes back to the U.S.
I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it.
Other writers are so funny.
It's uncivilized to eat an intelligent animal
Mmmmmmmmm. Pork is sooooo tasty.
Think I'm having bacon for dinner after a ham sandwich for lunch.
horses are NOT self-aware unlike dolphins
wrong
I'm so hungry I could eat a horse!
She's dead of course, she swallowed a horse.
That old children's rhyme takes on a WHOLE new meaning in this day and age!
I think we should wok the dog.
I'm woking it right now.
Wait, wok or wank?
That's OK, then. Horses are stupid. Like very fast cows.
Please, some of us are trying to eat breakfast. Keeping food legal won't help if we keep puking it back up.
Wasn't the case of the guy who died because his colon broke while he was being fucked by a horse from Portland, too?
That horse must've had a million times more fiber than the average horse.
Ewww, gross!
IIRC that was suburban Seattle. Must be something in the water in the PNW.
That was not me!
No. I'd eat goat first, and I don't particularly want to eat goat.
And I'm shocked that a legislative iniative could have unintended consequences. If only the real world would bend to the will of those with good intentions who close their eyes and wish really, really hard.
Actually, I'm more shocked that Congress acknowledged the unintended consequences and undid its mistake.
Goat's OK. A little gamey. The worst part of goat is that it is all bones.
It's extremely greasy too.
Properly done cabrito is better than OK, although I have to admit when I've had it it been pretty spicy. Didn't notice excess grease, but I'm not sure there is such a thing as too much delicious, delicious grease.
I've had it both Caribbean style and Burmese style--in both cases it was so covered in curry that I couldn't tell it from lamb or beef.
Didn't somebody say something once about foreseeable consequences not being unintended? I could swear I heard that somewhere.
I just want to know if we're going to get another influx of horse lovers telling us we're evil bastards. That ws some good comedy, and we've only gotten ruder since then.
Didn't somebody say something once about foreseeable consequences not being unintended? I could swear I heard that somewhere.
You're thinking of the Iron Law.
Preach it, brother!
Foreseeable consequences are not unintended.
" just want to know if we're going to get another influx of horse lovers telling us we're evil bastards. That ws some good comedy, and we've only gotten ruder since then."
Jesus you are so COOL!
Too Kool 4 Skool, certainly.
Ineffectually mocking me is adult behavior in what universe?
Fuck you, you sanctimonious concern troll. Isn't there a fire somewhere you can martyr yourself in to express your disgust at all things which offend you? That'll force the world to recognize how special you really are, won't it? They'll see, then! All of them will see!
Except us. We'll still think you're an obnoxious git.
I'm above this. Actually, I'm above all of you. I should leave, but I will not. Not while the possibility remains that my pearls of wisdom may yet enrich some few among you.
Your blog sucks.
Ha ha!
This should be added to the reason drinking game.
How much more adolscent can you be than smugly trumpeting "Man, we really offended those guys! Wan't that great."
And for a small fringe political group it's the kind of mentality that keeps the movement nice and pure, and at 1% of the gen pop...
If it keeps assholes like you out, I'm all for it!
Sorry, my feelings are not so fragile.
But really, it's pretty tween behavior to act like that.
"And for a small fringe political group..."
DRINK, I says!
MNG and Ken Schultz should get together and form a club.
MNG and Ken Schultz should get together and form a club.
Shut your whore mouth, you cunt.
If I were saying that you were wrong because you're small that would be silly. But I'm saying if you are at all concerned with your ideas becoming more popular then bragging about offending people is likely a bad strategy.
Wait, wait? We're on Meet the Press? Is this thing on? Testing, testing...
Nope. Nobody here but us libertards.
How much more adolscent can you be than smugly trumpeting "Man, we really offended those guys! Wan't that great."
A lot!
Well, of course I'd imagine Warty and the usual stooges could go further.
Don't they have teen chatboards for folks like you to hang out at? You could post pictures of hot girls and ugly sows, talk about your favorite Game of Thrones or Harry Potter books, and make all kinds of hilarious curses and in-crowd jokes. It would be great.
Don't they have, like, chatboards for grownup, mature, serious adults like, I dunno, David Brooks, to hang out on? Or even some for prigs like MNG?
That's Morning Links, 5 threads down.
You got four sentences that time, MNG. However, I note that other posts do not contain the requisite level of length or substance. You have been warned.
Oh, FOURTH SENTENCE.
+5 me
You're still doing that?
Soooo lame.
WE HATESES THE NASTY +1 GAMESES
+1 me
You've misread my motives. As a woman, I'm saying that word is not offensive. If you're offended by it, then I can't help you.
As a woman, I'm saying that word is not offensive
You speak for all women? Wow!
OK, tell me: what do women want?
Not you.
I think the argument should run like this. Horses have played a close and valued role on our culture both now and through much of our history. As a result we value them differently and don't want them to be part of the industrial food production we subject other animals too.
And I value horses as food. Go figure.
Well, the way things work in a democracy is sometimes people oppose something that a few people will still want to engage in, and if the former are a majority they make it illegal anyway. See theft, child porn, dogfighting, etc., for examples.
I wish a majority would vote to make it illegal for liberals to breathe.
Since you unquestioningly support the will of the majority, you would stop breathing.
I can dream....
You really are hung up on mass murder aren't you nut?
Who said anything about murder?
If a law is passed making it illegal for you to breathe, and you oblige by ceasing to breathe, where is the murder?
Democracy FTW!
I'm pretty sure Hitler would have eaten horses too. Only his vegetarianism stood in the way. Any other ridiculous false equivalences you wish to add?
Of course you think it is a false equivalence, because you don't find it so wrong. Of course, the thief, the dogfighter, etc., don't find what they do to be wrong either.
Well, i suppose there's only right and wrong and no scale in between, eh? There's a reason speeding isn't a capital crime.
Of course there are degree. Would you care to point out where I said otherwise?
You basically go right for the most objectively despicable thing you could and then take offense at the claim of false equivalence? Eating beef is relatively uncontroversial. I make the claim that eating the meat of another domestic animal is simarly not a problem. You make the comemparison to the sexual exlloitation of minors.
1. Analogies, how do they work?
2. Actually, I listed three examples, all of varying degrees.
But nice try.
You basically go right for the most objectively despicable thing you could and then take offense at the claim of false equivalence? Eating beef is relatively uncontroversial. I make the claim that eating the meat of another domestic animal is simarly not a problem. You make the comemparison to the sexual exploitation of minors. There is not a sliding scale of right-wrong for slavery and abuse, so your comparison implies that there is no degree in this matter.
Prohibition, prostitution, etc.
That's why mathematics is illegal right?
You must be a troll, MNG isn't that stupid.
Lord, this tired line. Why not follow it with "MNG, you used to be better..." or something.
Look, in society sometimes people who abhor something make it illegal even though there may be some folks who don't abhor it. Pointing out that is hardly trolling dude.
What about people who abhor liberals?
Is it OK to make it illegal to be a liberal?
What if the sacred majority approves?
Sorry sarcy, I tend to not converse with people who regularly dream of mass murder like you do.
This is what H&R has come from with its influx of Tweeners and Hit and Runpublicans, where someone can casually suggest masses of people die or be euthanized and no one bats an eye, but calling out people for trumpeting offending others is egregious.
But you say majority rule is sacred.
If the majority wanted to bring back slavery, then that's perfectly OK right?
If the majority wanted to legalize rape, then that's OK right?
Or do you mean the majority rules when you agree, and the courts should intervene when you don't?
That's what I thought.
Just another liberal hypocrite. But now I'm being redundant.
sarcasmic, you're so dumb. Those things are bad democracy, and MNG only likes good democracy.
Can't you tell the difference?
part n parcel of the gop audience whopping-it-up over an uninsured person being allowed to die on a hospital gurney.
Must...resist...
Oh Yawn CN, yawn.
Touche, old chap. Touche. Your insight into human nature is almost godlike, and you're always there with the bon mot, are you not?
You are the epitome of mature, rational discourse.
Next to you, we are all but children.
(And I look forward to your next intellectual dual with John with bated breath.)
You give me wings.
Citizen nothing, since you don't know the difference between a dual and a duel, I find your post lacks substance.
What the fuck do you want? It was tough enough getting "bated" right.
but what about a duet ?
Therefore, we shouldn't do with horses what we do with cows, pigs, and a whole host of other animals. Fuck, man, it makes perfect sense now.
And I said why one could consider horses different above.
It's enough to know that I consider horses to be different. Therefore you shall, too.
That's a lot of "we" and "our". How about, "If you don't want horses as food, don't eat them."
If you don't want abortions, don't have them. If you don't dogfights, don't have them. If you don't want child porn, don't have it.
Look, when people abhor something they might prevent people who disagree with them from doing it.
If you don't want abortions, don't have them.
Look, when people abhor something they might prevent people who disagree with them from doing it.
Force people who would otherwise kill their own babies to reproduce, filling society with lots of potential baby-killers?
Nice place, that.
Which segues to, fertility regulator residues in horse meat can cause miscarriage in women. Even in minute amounts.
The people selling it know, and now the American people have to pay for it.
Nice industry, that.
As a result we value them differently
Who is this "we"?
And why should "their" values trump others?
1. A majority?
2. Democracy?
...if everyone else gave handjobs for meth, would you?
Gods, no. I am no prostitute. I give out handjobs freely.
Did I mention "godlike"? Because if I did not, I have done MNG a grave disservice.
May God, nay, MNG himself, forgive me.
So, the tyranny of the 50.1% it is!
I take it MNG is having a melt-down over horse-slaughter?
"...the industrial food production we subject other animals too."
Well, if we kill 'em and eat one-at-a-time, you're jack with that?
What a crock.
Part of the valuable role of the horse was being eaten. Just because it didn't make the industrial slaughterhouse model doesn't mean it wasn't consumed. At best, your argument is that horses shouldn't be industrially produced in CAFOs, not that horses shouldn't be eaten entirely.
"Yick" is not a law.
Horse meat is pretty meh. Buffalo, ostrich, and alligator are all tastier.
agree. ate some in the FRG
Being a Floridian, I can tell you that a good rule of thumb down here is that the quality of a mom and pop restaurant is directly proportional to the quality of their gator dishes.
may be somewhat of an outlier
Piffle!
FYI: Goat are delicious.
Anybody ever eat whale?
The gunt is the most flavorful part!
I remember seeing it for sale in the grocery store when I was a child, but don't think I ever tried it.
I've heard whale bacon is very good.
Show me bacon that DOESN'T taste good and I'll show you BLASPHEMY!
turkey "bacon". Blah.
BLASPHEMY!
As a result we value them differently and don't want them to be part of the industrial food production we subject other animals too.
"WE"?
You toss that around a lot. If the thought of eating Mister Ed makes you queasy, don't do it.
Fun fact: I hate seafood. It's super gross. Maybe I should lobby for a no-fish-for-food law.
I'm allergic to shellfish. I want to join your fight in keeping everyone else from eating it.
Perhaps you could find a way to work it in alongside peanuts and start a general shelled-food ban. Just think of all the good that could be done.
Disclaimer: I don't want peanuts banned, they are delicious. Anyone that would willingly eat an ocean bug should be shunned anyway though.
I'm lactose intolerant.
It's simply not fair that my body cannot digest dairy, and I feel that because of this nobody should be able to consume it.
I want to see all dairy declared illegal!
One of my old girlfriends used to claim that her ex-husband was allergic to cunnilingus...
I'm amazed at those who like bananas.
Once you peel one and throw away the bone, there's not a whole lot left to eat.
Most men's aversion to cunnilingus can be understood as a tragedy of the commons.
So you're saying you're not into The Virtue of Shellfishness?
Thanks. I'll be here all week. (True story.)
Winner winner chicken dinner.
[groan]
Is there anything your week body can consume?
I forget, is that Joe'z law or RC's?
joe'z.
Nope, it's RC's...
joe'z law is about people making fun of other people's spelling or grammar with a post that commits an error in spelling or grammar.
Wow, Congress actually listened to the GAO for once?
I hate seafood. It's super gross.
The government should ban it, in order to protect your delicate sensibilities.
Just as soon as they create a BMI-based licensing scheme for women who want to wear tight, clingy clothing.
Put a max size limit on fitted women's clothing. Say size six or something.
Anything larger must resemble a shapeless bag.
There's a store down here that advertises (on their awning) lingerie to 5X. I have yet to set foot in there for fear of what I might see.
Here's something you won't see in there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....pants.html
Y'know, I see lots of women out walking dogs in my neighborhood and none of them dress like that.
Of course, that's probably a good thing.
Surely there are enough resources to pursue both at once? If not we better raise taxes.
Must...resist...
Feel the power.
Embrace the Dark Side, Citizen.
If you reasonable me, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Somewhere, Ingrid Newkirk and Wayne Pacelle are having fits over this change in the laws.
The Dorthraki in me rejoices.
No, I won't eat horse meat. Like most Americans, I don't eat companion animals. Like over 70% of Americans, I want horse slaughter stopped.
Even if I was starving, I would not eat it. US horse meat is not fit to eat. Drug testing the EU is doing right now show enough drugs in US horse meat to be a serious health risk, especially to children.
I don't want to get cancer, fatal aplastic anemia, catastrophic liver failure etc from meds like Bute routinely given to US horses that are banned from food animals.
By voting to spend our hard-earned money for horse slaughter, Congress had to ignore peer review science about health risks piled up to the moon and back.
What we learned from this: The US Congress is on the take from special interests that pushed this through, ignoring the truth about health dangers and horrible abuse - documented by the Federal government - back when horse slaughter was "regulated" on US soil.
We have better use of our budget money than slaughtering horses to feed wealthy Europeans. The USDA doesn't have enough resources to keep our OWN food safe. We should be using our money to feed our OWN people, not lining the pockets of foreign horse slaughter companies - in Belgium - that pay no US taxes.
Way to go, Congress. The miscarriages caused by progesterone fertility drugs given to mares are your responsibility. So are thousands of stolen horses taken from families by shady horse slaughter dealers, and slaughtered before the police can catch them.
I hope the lobby money is worth it.
Clearly you have never been starving.
Wait, is the FedGov actually spending money on horse slaughter? Because I thought they just repealed the ban?
Congress passed a funding bill last week with up to $5 million of taxpayer money to help run foreign owned horse slaughter plants, paying Federal employees to inspect.
History: Congress passed a funding bill about 5 years ago that stopped using taxpayer money to inspect these foreign owned plants. It's illegal to ship across state lines without inspections. The USDA is a tool of Big Ag, so it tried to circumvent Congress by taking money for the inspections from the offshore corporations. That was illegal and Federal courts stopped it.
Now Congress put money back in the budget to fund these inspections. However, the states where these plants were before all have laws now banning horse slaughter. What does THAT tell you!
Horse slaughter - the pollution, cratering property values, blood dumped in rivers (Saskatchewan Canada plant, bankrupt after bilking millions from the Canadian taxpayers) is about as welcome as a fart in an elevator.
Horse thieving went down 37% in California the year after they passed their horse slaughter ban. Horse slaughterers are the ultimate troll.
Aaaand, here they are! Right on schedule!
So, Susan, how did you find out about this post? Is there a horse lovers news network that alerts you, or do you just search the web for 'horse slaughter'? I'm genuinely curious.
Even if I was starving, I would not eat it.
Interesting. We should test this assertion. I can pretty much guarantee that you will lose.
"... and if wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak."
? Jayne Cobb
Government regulators do not keep food safe, the food industry does. What the USDA does is provide a convenient scapegoat for when an issue does arise; the culprit can simply point to their USDA inspection and escape serious blame.
Most civilized cultures have a line in the sand as to what they eat.
For most normal Americans, other human beings and companion animals cross that line. You'll get your occasional Jeffry Dahmer, of course, but as a culture Americans don't consume dogs, cats, horses or other people.
If there are people posting here who don't have any boundaries on what they eat, maybe post zip codes so the rest of us can look out for them.
Anyhow, most Americans these days don't look like they've missed a meal, so the question of starving is not relevant. The market price of horse meat in Europe is way too high to feed starving people, there it's marketed as an upscale product.
Doesn't look like responders read the rest of the post, about drug contamination in US horse meat. There were some really big words there, to be sure, but the science is well documented in peer review journals in the US, and in Europe in post-mortem assay tests of US horses.
Here's where this is headed: Horse slaughter will soon cost all horse owners. The EU knows there's widespread lying going on now on the affidavits required of US horse exporters. So by 2013, all US horse owners are facing an expensive microchip drug registry, just so a few knuckle draggers (representing 1% of horses that die) can go on slaughtering. That's welfare for horse slaughterers paid for by the rest of the horse industry.
The racing and breeding industry's shameful use of horse slaughter - while accepting state subsidies from VLT's - is a serious food safety problem. To those waxing poetic about the prospect of consuming US horse meat, you are gambling without a chance of a pick six win. Enjoy the snake venom, milk shakes, Lasix, Phenylbutazone, nerve block drugs, Etorphine, ITPP, female hormones and so on, gentlemen!
The Darwinian selection of those choosing healthier food than drug-tainted US horse meat means horse slaughter may be a dying industry. Literally.
Dear "Susan"
Please cease your imbecilic yawping and return to your regular concern trolling haunts.
That does it Brooks. Your childish antics have finally doomed the entire libertarian philosophy. I hope you're happy, you fuck.
Soylent Roan is horses!!!
Horse meat is pretty prominent in the smash hit game Skyrim.
NPC vendors pay more for it then venison.
I am pretty sure this is the reason why congress changed the law.
What about lifting the ban on slaughtering horses' asses? Or would that be too detrimental to the interests of our masters?
How about lifting the ban on the slaughtering of horses' asses - or would that be too detrimental to the interests of our rulers?
Your childish antics have finally doomed the entire libertarian philosophy. I hope you're happy, you fuck.
*dances "Snoopy dance"*
One of my regrets from my time living in Japan was watching the raw horsemeat sushi pass me by on a sushi boat and not having the cojones to try it at the time.
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In operating a ranch I've had the opportunity to eat horse meat many a time. It's no different than beef, it's meat. Nothing goes to waste on a working farm. A horse breakes a leg and you butcher it. The meat is much more red than beef, but you really can't tell the difference.
To many people think of them as pets is why they wouldn't eat the meat. It's meat.
In the obama world we will all be eating horses just like you see in the old ww2 films when society collapsed.
Do you want to find cheap corsets online? If you do you won't be the only one. Everyone is trying to cut back on what they spend these days, but most of us are reluctant to stop spending money altogether, especially when it is on something that makes us feel so good.