Colorado Progressive Groups Hope That Better Marketing Will Finally Fix ObamaCare's Popularity Problem
Liberal activists are once again trying to rescue ObamaCare through better messaging. Via the Denver Post:
"Obamacare" is typically the put-down conservatives use to describe theAffordable Care Act signed into law by the president in 2010, and the moniker offends some people who favor the measure.
But liberal groups in Colorado are now embracing the term, effectively saying conservatives may have shot themselves in the foot by making the health care reform law synonymous with President Obama's tenure in office.
The Colorado Consumer Health Initiative and ProgressNow Colorado Education today said they are launching a "Thanks Obamacare!" campaign to highlight the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, such as barring insurance companies from not covering people with pre-existing conditions, allowing people under 26 to stay on their parents' insurance policies and barring lifetime limits on insurance care.
I'm as skeptical of this marketing effort as I was of previous efforts to sell the law, and I suspect they'll work about as well. Last summer, for example, saw two major messaging efforts intended to convince a stubborn public that, despite a regular stream of polling evidence to the contrary, it actually liked ObamaCare quite a bit. But polls have been remarkably consistent since then: Right now, Pollster.com's trend aggregate shows that a little more than 45 percent of the public oppose the law, and about 38 percent favor it. Meanwhile, activist groups backing the law have effectively admitted that previous messaging efforts have largely failed and advised their members not to even try making an economic case for the law.
But what about the name? Is calling the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ObamaCare an insult? I've been using the ObamaCare moniker for a while, but mostly because it's more familiar to people than PPACA. I don't mean it as a put-down. If I want to criticize the program, I can point out that it was passed using a slew of budget gimmicks that are already starting to unravel, that it's already resulted in health insurers dropping child-only policies, that the year after it passed employee health insurance premiums spiked far higher than in the few years prior to its passage, and that even the program's supporters see higher health insurance premiums ahead for many individuals as a direct result of the law. Which reminds me: Thanks, ObamaCare. Thanks a lot.
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If calling the PPACA "Obamacare" is a put-down, what does that say about Obama?
Same thing saying "you're acting like Tulpa" does around here.
+1
Hey, watch it young feller!
SUPER-PWN'D!!!
AXIS OF GLIB!!!
THREE STOOGES!!!
substance something something Tulpa makes more money than you.
Of course this analogy makes no sense, but Epi's entourage applauds him nonetheless. I only hope they're not coming from the same IP address, because that would just be sad.
And as MNG's imitator pointed out, it's yet another substance-free insult to factor into Epi's ever-decreasing signal to noise ratio.
Need a Hug?
Don't act so butthurt, Commodore. Just because I make more money than you is no reason to be tetchy.
"such as barring insurance companies from not covering people with pre-existing conditions, allowing people under 26 to stay on their parents' insurance policies and barring lifetime limits on insurance care."
These things benefit a small number of people at the expense of everyone else.
Disclosure: I am currently taking advantage of the 26 year rule as it is cheaper than getting my own.
Yep - older daughter is on our coverage cause of this. I still don't want it.
As older daughter texted a while back, "Fuck Joe Biden and socialized medicine." 🙂
The silly part is, if you are under 26, you really shouldn't need health insurance, except for the catastrophic kind. Short of an accident or disease, how much in health care does someone in their early 20's require? I would guess that I spent less than $1k on health care ("self medication" doesn't count) from the time I was emancipated at 17 until I turned 27. Certainly I might have needed it if something catastrophic had happened, but what percentage is that? 5%?
if you are under 26, you really shouldn't need health insurance
Abortions and breast implants.
hey, breast implants lead to abortions?
Pay for them yourself.
You just want women to die!
Cue Joe Biden about rapes and whatever.
Exactly, I may be on my parent's insurance but I can't remember the last time I went to the doctor and I take no prescriptions. If not for my parents I likely wouldn't get health insurance at all and be no worse off. Which is why they need to mandate to force people like me to pay into the system.
You greedy bastard. We need healthy people to pay in so the sick people don't have to cover all of their own costs. And if we don't force people to help, then no one would ever get help from family or charity or whatever. Like, duh.
Actually, you really should buy catastrophic coverage. The higher the deductible the better but if you come down with something life-threatening, chronic, and expensive, it will ruin your life, and you can easily pay for catastrophic coverage. It's less than $50 for young people and it's only even that high because of regulations of course...
I probably would, but we're only talking about one year (I just turned 26). In a year my fiancee and I will be able to decide between the offerings of each of our employers and until then the likelihood of something serious happening until then is very small. Insurance, after all, is all about risk assessment (or at least it should be).
25 26
until then the likelihood of something serious happening until then is very small. Insurance, after all, is all about risk assessment (or at least it should be).
$1200, if that, for the two of you isn't worth it? Oh well, 26 year olds aren't known for risk mitigation.
(I hadn't been to the doctor from 18-27, then my insurance more than paid for all the premiums of my early 20's.)
If grown men (most notably Tony) can live in their mom's basement until age 40, why shouldn't adults be able to stay on their parents health insurance.
I don't understand. Where am I supposed to report people who talk smack about PPACA? That video doesn't really make it clear.
ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCH
Who are you, Comrade Question?
Wait a minute, I had something for this...
We're requiring everyone to submit proof that the people they claim as dependents for our health coverage are actually their dependents.
Apparently, people took the new rules on 26-year-old arrested adolescents (no offense, apatheist!) as a blank check to include cousins, the neighbors' kids, etc.
I just graduate law school and though I have started work I am still technically a depedant. My dad is pretty good about barely following the rules (another lawyer). For example he claims me as a depedent on his taxes and then pays me the difference for what I lose when I do the same on mine.
I am not at all ashamed to be living at home in the mean time. I'm getting married next October after my fiancee finishes getting her masters in in mechanical engineering. I'm quite capable of paying for an apartment now and in the future but I prefer to save the money (and not going through the pain in the ass of finding a short term lease and moving twice in a year). Plus, though she won't admit it, she likes having someone home again to dote upon.
Lots of spelling errors and a missing "mother" in the last sentence. I've grown entirely too depedent on firefox/chrome spell check and my work computer only has IE.
Just admit it, your mom does your spellchecking for you too.
shhhhhhhhhhh
but in all seriousness, spelling/grammar need not be perfect on the internet. I would never hand in something for work/school without thoroughly proofing it first but frankly I'm too lazy to do so when posting here.
lazy and lawyer.. It's almost like peanut butter and chocolate.
Yeah, hard working at work and lazy out of it, I'm so different than everybody in every other profession. I know few people harder working than my Dad and he too manages to kick back when not on the client's time. What an asshole, right?
Something like the reparations tax credit that certain people were abusing?
Alt-Text....Obama...cares....
Funny that this creation of the media had no hand in its creation....but his name will always be stapled to it. Shouldn't it be Pelosicare?
"But what about the name? Is calling the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ObamaCare an insult?"
Let's put it to the test:
ObamaBeer
ObamaSex
ObamaHockey
ObamaMoney
...
The correct answer is "yes". Attaching "Obama" to the front of anything makes it sound worse, so calling it "ObamaCare" really is an insult to healthcare.
As an addendum, attaching "Obama" to the front of bad things doesn't make them sound any better either.
ObamaCrash
ObamaFlood
ObamaPain
ObamaTax
...
attaching "Obama" to the front of bad things doesn't make them sound any better either.
HEY!!
Ken I believe the proper term is ObamaBucks. And yes, it makes everything sound worse. In contrast take someone who is not a loser, like say Michael Jordan and attach their name to the list
JordanBeer
JordanSex
JordanHockey
JordanBucks
And it sounds pretty good.
Obama: We're doing you a favor by raping you. Lie back and enjoy it.
If I want to criticize the program, ...
I resume reading *the actual legislation*, I remember the nauseating way this monstrosity was passed, I look at the growing list of organizations with waivers, I consider the many lawsuits against it, ....
"I've been using the ObamaCare moniker for a while, but mostly because it's more familiar to people than PPACA."
It's not just that. This has been the convention since the days of HillaryCare in 1993.
People have been using that convention for at least 18 years.
For equal measure, do you ever use the term "RomneyCare"? 'cause then they can't call you biased--even if that really were a bad thing to be.
These plans are attached to politicians who championed them and ran campaigns for office. Just because "ObamaCare" is such a millstone around Obama's neck as he's running for reelection is no reason why people everywhere should suddenly abandon a convention that's been in use for the last 18 years.
The weirdness behind this is the same weird liberal/progressive vibe that thinks the reason more Americans don't embrace liberals and progressives is because we're all being tricked by Fox News and the Koch Brothers.
They can call ObamaCare "Money and Sex" for all I care--it'll still be a pig in a dress.
I saw something on PBS the other day sponsored by one of the Kochs. Just you wait until the progressives find out about that one!
"Y'all Americans are reading all those pesky darn facts around this miscarriage of legislation and you STILL don't think it's a good idea?"
"Maybe if I speak incredibly slowly...OH - and I'll roll up my sleeves. Cause rolling up sleeves = getting things DONE."
Is it racist if every new Obamacare marketing push reminds me of Stringer Bell's crew continually changing the name of their weak drugs?
YES!
The answer is always "yes" to any sentence that begins with the words, "Is it racist if...".
Is it racist if I say "I be oba ma care"?
Considering what his job approval rating looks like right now, I question the sanity [or true motives] of anyone who deliberately tries to sell "ObamaCare" as positive branding.
Ex-president Owebama.
see, you feel better already...
fify
Colorado. Hmmm.
You open-borders libertarians should be aware that as California collapses its liberal white residents will be moving to your state too, and voting. "Oh, but I didn't mean this". Yes, you did.
You could call roast skunk "Mini-tenderloin", but I still don't think you would get people to eat it.
call Glemie from Detroit for marketing on that 834-8617
...and that even the program's supporters see higher health insurance premiums ahead for many individuals as a direct result of the law.
Prove it
read and get your "class" in gear...
Kaiser will sell a 40yr old a personal insurance plan in California for 125/month.
Tell me more about this supposed health coverage crisis? It's one of the biggest marketing scams ever perpetrated on our gullible public, fooling them into granting even MORE power to our federal govt. Sad.
Truly? Is that free and clear, no subsidies, etc? That would be stunning, and even more so in a market like California.
califronian,cite it
Your internet is broken?
Your name and link is still up epi's ass?
Dig deeper
No, I simply choose not to identify myself to you. Everyone here knows why that's a good idea. Now go and do some research. It should take you all of five minutes.
You just did, asshole
Call.
(and still waiting to hear what you found)
The primary concern regarding health insurance is not coverage for healthy individuals. Once you change from healthy to unhealthy, and have to deal with lifetime caps, lack of guaranteed renewal, and exponential rate adjustments, you're now in a position where affordable coverage is non-existent.
I'm not advocating for guaranteed affordable coverage, but trumpeting the low cost of high deductible insurance for healthy people does nothing to contribute to the debate.
MP, thanks for blowing our next sale
High-deductible health insurance impedes hypochondriacs, zero-deductible insurance encourages them. There's no reason it should be at either extreme.
It's public-sector employees, in the prime of lives, who advocate most voraciously for no-deductible insurance.
trumpeting the low cost of high deductible insurance for healthy people does nothing to contribute to the debate.
Sure it does. It shows that even our current crippled market can deliver affordable coverage.
The practice of libertarianism
Apatheist "Disclosure: I am currently taking advantage of the 26 year rule as it is cheaper than getting my own."
Almanian: "Yep - older daughter is on our coverage cause of this. I still don't want it.
As older daughter texted a while back, "Fuck Joe Biden and socialized medicine." :)"
So what do you think, folks: is she bitter that she can't claim her 6 cats as dependents, or is the yeast infection especially bad this week?
She's deep in the depressive cycle that is following her over-the-weekend manic cycle.
Man, that bipolar disorder sucks, doesn't it rectal? HAHAHAHAHAHA
It seems just a wee bit sociopathic to take malicious glee in the suffering of honest-to-god crazy people. It's not like they can help it. Granted, when their craziness become a giant pain in your ass, it's understandable, but understandable and right are two different things.
/food.
/vermin shit.
Massive lego man washes ashore
It is the invasion that Obama has been hoping for. Martial law is just around the corner.
Probably a Mario Balotelli prank.
You think the Crocs wearing food network guy made them?
http://rctlfy.wordpress.com/20.....woody-cry/
Old news
/food,
/ vermin shit.
"And I, uh, I called it her 'Obamadonk'. Y'all know what I mean, uh, like a big-ass butt, ya know? I, uh, I mean, in a good way, y'know? So, uh, before I can even move my hands back, uh, down, I mean, I'm just standing there, like, uh, like this, and BOOM! I'm sleepin' on the Oval Office sofa again."
I've never understood the "Obamacare" complaint by libs/progs. If the law is so gosh-darned awesome, shouldn't they want it to be referred to as Obamacare? It would be flattering to Obama and the Democratic Party in general then. Um, maybe they really don't like it because, well, everyone pretty much knows it's a really a total POS.
PPACA sounded out is pee-pee caca anyways. Obamacare just sounds better.
Damn, I was about to say the same thing. I always pronounce it out loud that way. And don't get me started on AFSCME.
Yep, A fucks me.
If only they'd replaced "Patient" with "American Lifestyle", they could have had a great mascot.
Obama is so full of himself. I am surprised his own head doesnt implode lol.
web-privacy.au.tc
A bot with a bad link!? Amazing!
"But liberal groups in Colorado are now embracing the term, effectively saying conservatives may have shot themselves in the foot by making the health care reform law synonymous with President Obama's tenure in office."
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
There are few things funnier than the self delusions of leftists.
Shhh! Don't tell them what they're doing wrong! If they persist in their delusions, we can totally catch them by surprise in the next election.
A spoonful of wine in a barrel of sewage... is sewage.
A spoonful of sewage in a barrel of wine... is also sewage.
Forget about long wait times or marketing, Obamacare rationing will cause the death of many Americans. Now that's a PR problem.
thanks