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Thank you for watching so I don't have to.
How in the world do libertarian hold two opposite beliefs simultaneously:
1. The State makes life worse.
2. Life got better under the city-State.
Got contradiction?
*barf*
"Life got better under the city-State."
So correlation equals causation?
You suck. Bring our old trolls back.
It's been all downhill since lonewacko got hisself banninated.
It's possible alcohol can make life better, too. To a point. Beyond that, it starts killing you.
Colossal waste of time ahead.
Proceed with alcohol.
I'll watch the U.S. men's soccer friendly and then we can compare who won what.
+1
And another +1 here. Heading home now to watch the game on my DVR...
These Bloomberg pre-debate analysts make me gag. Bunch of damn socialists.
"I don't think there was an alternative to government-directed trying-to-prevent-a-depression spending [...]"
Double ugh.
At least socialist don't hold two contradictory beliefs simultaneously like libertarians:
1. The State makes life worse.
2. Life got better under the city-State.
Libertarians don't hold your first premise to be universally true. They only apply it for most states in existence, not against a hypothetical minimalist state. Contradiction nullified.
Now go troll somewhere else.
When it's convenient, libertarians call people Statists and decry the State all the time.*
Then they turn into Statist themselves when it's convenient.
Contradiction stands, and you've been weighted in the balance and found wanting.
When it's convenient Liberals call Libertarians hypocrites.
Then they turn into hypocrites themselves when it's convenient.
true
But libertarians like to call themselves principled, and I find them unprincipled and contradictory just as much as marxists, liberals, progressivists, republicans, etc.
You're full of shit, to put it bluntly and succinctly.
Awww, did the thread move too fast for ya, little buddy?
Don't worry, now you have all the time in the world to sprinkle your feces all over the place.
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Still waiting for that address, brother.
I find them unprincipled and contradictory just as much as marxists, liberals, progressivists, republicans, etc.
If that's true, then you're reaching so hard you're bound to sprain something.
1. The State makes life worse when it tries to intefere in anything but defense of life and property from real, physical threats.
2.Life got better under the City-State as long as technology advances.
#2 happens at a much faster rate when #1 holds true. The further you get from #1, the less you get of #2 (see North Korea).
"At least socialist don't hold two contradictory beliefs simultaneously like libertarians."
Shouldn't you be licking a bootheel somewhere?
Maybe life has gotten better due to things like the internal combustion engine. Nah, must be the state power you worship.
"1. The State makes life worse.
2. Life got better under the city-State."
Just imagine where we'd be without the various states - we'd already be colonizing Mars and Titan, and cancer would be no more. Regulations, guilds, unions, protectionism, state monopolies on education, and corruption in government have held us back.
"Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."
The alleged contradiction is all in your own imagination.
So this is being streamed online, right?
Have they handed out a greater proportion of microphones to Ron Paul supporters so that I get the expected effect through my speakers?
Guys, anyone know if I have to actually live-stream this or if I will be able to stream it somewhere later? The actual debate I mean. And you don't have to tell me how sad it is that I've been DVRing these to watch a few hours after the fact. My boyfriend works late and we enjoy making fun of these assholes together.
My boyfriend works late and we enjoy making fun of these assholes together.
Same here. I just refer to Reason commenters as my boyfriend
I'm sure it will be posted to YouTube by tomorrow.
You can also watch it live here.
I honestly don't know how anyone can sit through these excruciatingly painful debates.
I'll be installing the OS and drivers on my new gaming computer instead.
Sarcastic commentary makes it go down much smoother, I find.
Sarcastic commentary makes it go down much smoother, I find.
Does double-posting help too?
I hear you, but I find political chatter to be the functional equivalent of a conversation between Forrest Gump and Bubba, except ten times stupider. I can't even handle seeing the 24-hour news talking heads on mute at the club; I have to change the channel.
I wish I could double post on command just to spite you! Fucking internet.
The commentators are appalling. Sarcastic tweeters are sometimes even a comfort.
The commentators are appalling.
Oh, come on. We're at worst disgusting.
You're a commenter, dammit. That's different than a commentator.
Being Warty, he is also disgusting.
I wish I could double post on command just to spite you!
Good news. After extensive study, I believe I've found a way double post on command. But it's one of things where if your not wise enough to figure it out on your own, you're not wise enough to be trusted with the secret.
No offense, but the stakes are just too damn high. If this information got out, the results could be catastrophic.
Does it surprise you that the H&R commentariat has (more than) its fair share of masochists?
On the other hand, I actually find it much less painful than the evening network news, which I sometimes cannot avoid reading the closed captioning for at the gym. Even during a run it can enrage. The debates are funnier.
What the fuck is a "gym?"
Monkey bars.
It's a prefix meaning "female", I think.
Always refresh! BakedPenguin, you win.
so that makes "gymnosperm"...
It's this place you have to go if, as the/a token vag at H&R, you are always reminded that dudes hate fatties. Which is cool. So do I.
If you ever need a running bra, just let me know. I support this statement.
You just have to learn to take pleasure in the humiliation of other human beings. I have an online course available.
Oh, I do, Commodore. It's just that I prefer the humiliations to be a little more subtle and less like screeching flying monkeys.
What's the rig on your new gaming computer?
AMD Phenom II quadcore 3.2Ghz
4 gigs 1600 Mhz RAM (for now)
Gigabyte GA-870A motherboard (no SLI, as I don't plan to)
and the prize:
nVidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1G
It's not a super-retarded box; I would never spend a bunch more to get incremental increases in resolution and frame rate. But it's going to still rock just the same.
If I can get fucking Windows to install on it, that is.
Straight ballin'. I need an upgrade.
Due to being a broke-ass, I run on a duocore processor with one of the cheaper GeForce graphics cards (whichever was like 60 bucks on newegg). Works decently well on low quality graphics, but on high settings 3d games play frame by frame like a comic book.
Guess how much I paid for it? $725 + free shipping. From Cyberpower. I got the GTX 560 Ti as a free upgrade from a GTX 560, too.
But I waited until I knew I was getting a phenomenal deal, then pounced.
Damn. I'll keep my eyes on that for anything flying below my cheap bastard radar. Thanks.
If I had any balls, I'd build my own, but I know I'd fry something.
But what case are you using?
The cheapest, least retarded looking one they had, of course.
Challenge is to find a workable rig for $500 not including monitor
Bowtie? Barf. Signature apparel of liberal snobbery.
What about George Will?
Negated by Tucker Carlson.
Ahhh forgot about that one. Good call.
Bowtie? Barf.
Hey now, bowties are cool.
Agreed.
Nation of Islam ruined the bowtie for black guys.
That guy wearin a bow tie or is that bow tie wearin him?
Charlie Rose? WTF. Is Geraldo hosting a debate too?
Charlie Rose is going to be the secret awesomesauce of this debate. I think. It better be like this.
I hope they ask the candidates a Star Trek question.
Web feed audio is not synced. Epic fail.
Families around the kitchen table? Murphy Brown should have a witty retort next week.
Do we really need shaky cam in a debate?
I was hoping it meant there would be some fight scenes. Alas, no such luck.
Funny, I don't remember any of our family problems being solved at the dinner table. A lot of arguments got started there though.
999 is the new 9/11.
No shit?
9 blinks every 9 seconds for every 9 words for herman cain
Let's hope Rick Perry didn't just eat a large turkey dinner.
He already seems out of it.
Wow, Perry FAIL already.
I think he just asked Romney what he would be preHAIRed to do instead of prepared to do. I will not listen to anyone who says otherwise.
Wait a minute, isn't this supposed to be a dinner table? Shouldn't they be eating?
"Next we have the coffee course, and you know what that means, we talk about immigration!"
Pretty sure they're playing footsie.
Santorum and Newt are definitely flashing bedroom eyes at each other.
OK, is Reason purposefully ignoring this Iran D.C. plot thing? I really don't get this blog sometimes
They're ignoring that missing baby story too.
I don't want a leader, I want a "will get the fuck out of the wayer".
Liberal opinion writers want to know if Chris Christie would have even fit between the chair and the table.
So they're still doing the Perry v Romney thing? I thought it was Cain vs. Romney now.
So I guess the circular table doesn't equate to equal standing and air time among the candidates.
Thinking of plans is exhausting!
Waaaa not fair, Romney's been running for president for 6 years!
Congresswoman Bachman: meeee-ow?
Uh... I will admit to being clueless in this arena... but is Michelle Bachmann wearing any make-up at all?
Too much even. More than Mittens.
WTF question? Last I knew you need to prove someone broke the law before putting them in jail.
That red dress lady Karen Tumulty is making a speech, not asking a fucking question.
Bachmann avoiding the question.
It's a stupid question. There's no evidence they broke the law, why should they be in jail?
robosigning...
Fantastic, still no questions for Ron Paul. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's so predictable yet I still feel stunned each time.
Santorum hasn't had a question.
True. Progress is progress, I suppose.
Santorum must be either A) a secret masochist or B) an egomaniac. I suppose neither choice is mutually exclusive.
Good answer from Gingrich, I'll admit it.
This is totally disorganized. Rose is following up on Tumulty's question?
You tell 'em, Newt!
Start with the people who were bribed, not the bribers? Ok there Newty...
Why not? Being bribed is a crime too.
Why not the reverse? I want to see some banksters do a perp walk.
If you have evidence they bribed people, go for it.
Well, Newt just said Frank and Dodd were bribed.
Accepting a bribe is marginally worse than offering one, as the bribee is the one expected to abuse his position. Of course, one might expect politicians to disgree on that point.
This kitchen table has really brought out the folksy in Ron Paul.
He owns this tonight.
Audio on the live feed has the audio syncing in and out.
OMG WE'RE IN A CRISIS YOU NEED TO CREATE JOBS NOW!!!!!
WTF, the live tweeting is really letting me down. H&R commenters are kicking the writers ass in volume and snarkiness.
TEH WISDOM OF THE CLOUD
How much cough syrup and amphetamines are you on, Commodore?
Just enough to party, glibster.
We're kind of low on staff tonight.
But this is what we pay you people for.
Lucy for the win.
If Reason ever needs a bunch of two-sentence articles, they know where to go for crowdsourcing.
Make the US the manufacturing capital again? Don Bordeaux just had an aneurysm.
http://lincicome.blogspot.com/.....-myth.html
Boudreaux.
Although, come to think of it, I'm going to start calling him Don Bordeaux too.
Mormons can't deliver jokes.
No, but they can deliver babies.
You're thinking of Ron Paul.
Maybe Huntsman would be doing better if he didn't always keep playing candidate clown.
Ha ha ha. Huntsman is a real card.
Great, it's awesome when debate moderators speechify and build ideological assumption into their questions.
Does Ron Paul's eyebrow remind anyone else of Stan Sitwell?
It looks like a fake mustache falling off.
It looks like a fake mustache falling off.
Patent reform anyone?
KILL EVERYONE 2 YEARS EARLY
This debate is really moving along. I like the tempo.
Are they doing the Occupy finger waving instead of applause? That's why it's moving along.
WHAT THE HELL?! Do you want death panels to save medicare money, Mr. Speaker?
I don't want to know what you are swapping and with whom.
Andy Von Eschenbach shout out. What a name dropper.
I thought he was making up that name.
Bloomberg fact checkers looking into it.
Art Vandelay?
I googled it to see how to spell it and I still think he made it up.
It sounded like Andy Va mumble mumble mumble.
Oooo, Michelle Bachmann is going all-in with conspiracy theories. I like this, she has the crazy eyes to pull it off.
"Preventive treatments do the most." wth
Everybody knows preventative health care is the most economical strategy for a society. Except libertarian economists.
"Everybody knows ..."
Agumentum ad populum. Logic fail, moron.
You may be the dumbest troll we've ever had.
That was racist.
Wait, I thought 999 was the price of a cornbread?
Straw man. Logical Fallacy.
My dog runs to the door to see if there are any witches outside when Michelle Bachmann laughs.
please don't insult my pagan friends like that!
I'm "doable, doable, doable".
Cain layin down the law!
Shorter Charlie Rose: "do I need to slap a bitch? Give him 30 seconds."
The Noid is a secret advisor.
Haha Cain is getting good at spouting off content-free sound bites.
Huntsman needs to drop the jokes or just leave.
Please tell me they were puns.
The "deaf" tax? HUH
Only a complete dipshit would advocate opening the National Sales Tax floodgate.
But it would never go higher than 9. 9 is the limit!
Cleveland, Texas?
Fact-checkers!
If it hasn't happened yet, lady, that makes it hypothetical.
But people think stuff!
The call is coming from inside the economy!
+9.1
Romney don't argue with a pretty girl.
Trust me. I know how the economy works.
Romney is leading polls with this doubletalk bullshit? How depressing.
Robot Romney is stuck in "ask self question" subroutine. Me thinks its poorly implemented recursion.
My advisors H. E. Pennypacker and Bob Sacamano have thoroughly investigated my 8-8-8 plan.
Okay Ron Paul you were mentioned speak up! And Romney name-dropping Friedman??
Shorter Mitt: We need another Milton Friedman. Here's something he said. I'm now going to disagree with it.
WTF it's the Romney-effing-monologue
Romney is ready for the 3AM call telling him Europe exploded. Thank God.
Chick in black is a cute chick. Lady in red is a dried-apple-face lady.
Don't bail out anybody, other than the country.
Deal with it. He's smooth. Articulate. Convincing. And he quotes the same kind of wisdom that Reagan would quote.
You'll whine that he's not perfect. He's not. But he's what you're going to get. And he's better than Obama.
Dude, you're getting a Romney!
He looks like my gynecologist.
Alright Paul needs to butt in too, cause this debate is crap.
Wait, Gingrich just has to ask to be able to get face time? Why aren't they all doing this then.
I know, I don't understand why Paul isn't getting on that gravy train of free time.
Ron Paul needs to do what Gingrich is doing right now. Taking time for himself especially right after Cain and Romney just gave pathetic answers.
I think Gingrich is, again, proving to be hands down the best debater at the table.
Guy's in his element.
Fannie mae, Freddie mac, community reinvestment, and a bunch of other stuff the viewers have never heard of.
Keep it simple Dr Paul!!!
I thought he wrapped it up well. But yes, I agree, he throws around terms that libertarians know already but others don't.
I think he's trying harder, but it's not like it's simple stuff he's trying to convey.
Solid answer from Paul.
"Kenyan economists are wrong"? No wonder people call him racist.
Newsletters!
Paul's weakness is he's too nice. That was a 15-minute pro-bailout speech by Romney and Cain. He should have laid into them on that.
wtf Ron Paul thinks Austrian economists are better than American one's. Maybe he should run for president of Austria.
Yeah. And you know who else came from Austria?
WHO?
I'd take a dead Austrian economist over Paul Fucking Krugman any day.
You jew-hating bastard.
It doesn't matter who wins, they're all slaves to the corporations who pull the strings.
Wake up, sheeple
Nice, they got WiFi setup at the Occupy site.
+10
Hey, PowerOfThePenis... if I incorporate as a sole propreitor, am I an evil corporation?
Depends. Would the world be better off if your goods were distributed free to the poor by blind nuns instead of by your "corporation"?
Hey! No watching TV at the dinner table!
John Edward helped out with getting that question through.
Perry's dead. Thank fucking god.
Texas toast!
But... but... Reagan!
Does Perry have a morphine drip or something? What's his deal?
Maybe he's an early-to-bed, early-to-rise type. Nothing some vodka-redbulls couldn't fix.
Please, somebody point out what a "cut" is. Dr Paul?
Looks like Mitt is on board with Reason's 19% solution.
Reagan's corpse looked so lifelike. DeVito's mortician does a great makeup job.
Mitt just pitched the Nick Gillespie plan. Cap spending at a percentage of GDP.
Lady in red is worst moderator, by far.
Lady in red is worst moderator, by far.
Worth mentioning twice for the way she elongated "draconian"
"Draconian"?! Get this red-coat wearing commie host off my screen!
"Draconian?" Bitch, please.
But of course Romney is a total sell-out on military spending.
"mix of revenues and cuts"
Someone did a s/tax/revenue/ on that reporter's brain.
Romney: "get the economy going."
What is the proper level of activity?
WTF Newt does it again.
And here goes Newt again; this is bullshit!
Threadjackss.
OT, but which one of you reasonoids told me to go to Tommy's Joynt in SF? I'm heading there tonight, and wanted to see if any Bay Area libertarians were up for a night of boozing it up.
I will be in town tomorrow night as well, but I think I'm gonna have a case of yellow fever if you know what I mean.
You had to travel to SF for a night of bar hopping?
I understand. Really.
Just don't set up any lemonade stands, sloopy.
I got an Asian hooker once too. Oddly, she looked better with the lights on.
I got an Asian hooker once too. Oddly, she looked better with the lights on.
Charlie Rose can't say no to anyone but Ron Paul.
Newt: ELIMINATIONIST RHETORIC!
He compared Congress to the kind of bowler Obama is.
And it's pretty damn pathetic for Romney to put responsibility on this idiotic super committee.
Wow, Bachmann has the nerve to say she's the only one saying don't raise the debt ceiling while sitting right beside Paul.
Who is this "Paul" of which you speak?
Ahem, that's IRS lawyer.
Bachmann: I agree with the more idiotic of libertarians and think we shouldn't raise the debt ceiling in the greatest recession on record.
You guys should absolutely love her.
And the grandkids too! Oh, the stupid. You and her.
I AM A FEDERAL TAX LAWYER! I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!
No, old lady, I will not be paying for your spending.
Michele's an economist!
Ron Paul is too damn polite.
Are people really too stupid to realize that 9% on a 30K car increases the cost 3 grand?
Ha, better looking moderator is getting embarrassed tonight.
WTF? Cain just said three correct things about the economy, and the sound money part?!?
Herman Cain is reminding me of TimeCube guy right now.
Four sides! 96 hours!
9 is the lowest POSSIBLE rate.
Herman Cain: Well-ordering principle denier!
If elected, I will repeal Zorn's Lemma and pass the Axiom of Choice!
I'm really ashamed that I laughed at this shit.
I may have laughed at it.
+ omega sub omega
Haha, wait, my beer is going to be more expensive?! F that.
Because they'll be cutting corporate income taxes, dropping prices. Fuck this lady's stupid.
I have an extremely hard time believing that a tax percentage combination consisting of whole number percents is exactly revenue neutral.
The devil is in the details.
That was good: It's about time someone noticed what 999 is upside down.
What, seriously?
NICE, Michelle!
Bachmann destroyed her own argument by calling taxes "revenue streams".
Cain just called her White Devil. I refuse to believe otherwise.
MIC CHECK!
How are you feeling about this mic check?
** wiggles finger **
WIGGLE YOUR FINGERS ONLY, PLEASE!
*wiggle wiggle wiggle*
Jon Huntsman, say something meaningless for us. Make it so meaningless that we can ask Rick Santorum for a follow-up.
See, Paul needs to speak in terms of what policies he will enact to help small business and create jobs. That's all anyone cares about.
Or what policies he will de-enact.
It's 20fucking11 and people are still advocating for mercantilism?
Well, I don't not not want to have a trade-war.
Huntsman wants mayors from China and America getting together to make decisions? Has he met my shitheel mayor, Lickpenny Bloomberg?
Bloomberg gets together with the Mayor of Beijing, we end up with no trans fats and mandatory injections of MSG for all
I see your Lickpenny and raise you Legohead Steelerstahl.
Yes we hatesssesse tricksy Chinesesese.
Alright- this is by far the most unfair face-time debate yet. Not just Paul- Santorum and "Can i butt in" Newt
Anyone else notice Perry is getting no questions?
Maybe we should find a way to make them want to buy more stuff from us. Or make it cheaper to make stuff here so we can buy from ourselves.
Did he say governor Huckabee?
Anti-Free Trade/Anti-Chinese Morons: "We need to stop the Chinese from sending us huge quantities of real goods in return for bits of green paper."
This is where Romney is at his most idiotic. "We insist that the Chinese receive actual goods from us instead of bits of green paper in return for the real goods they send us."
Incredible. And I'll bet 90% of Americans agree with him.
This Christmas, everyone who agrees with Romney here can give me actual goods (preferably built with your own sweaty, overworked hands), and I'll give you an IOU which can only be redeemed by you at a later date for goods that I decide to make available to you at that time, and at prices that I set at that time. Deal?
China's buying a lot of precious metals and investing in trade relationships with other ex-3rd world countries. They're not buying as much US debt as they used to. They weren't born yesterday, and your attitude that they were is arrogant in the extreme.
The US dollar can ultimately only be redeemed for US goods and services. If the Chinese get someone else to hold the green bits of paper, good for them.
The fact is, though, that they have a huge trade surplus with the US. And I celebrate that, for reasons this analogy tries to make obvious.
The US dollar can ultimately only be redeemed for US goods and services.
This statement is so stupid it could become a source of renewable energy. I support a loan guarantee for your commentary.
As a matter of fact, my statement was incorrect because I used the word "ultimately." In fact, it can ultimately only be used as a credit against tax obligations to the US government.
But in practice, China's not going to be using US cash and bonds for tax payment. They're going to use them to buy goods and services from Americans at the prices Americans then set.
BTW, a chuckled a bit at your witticism. Well done.
Not really.
For as long as they will give us goods for piles of green paper, we should indulge them.
If some day they will wise up and stop - oh well. That makes it a self-correcting "problem", then, and not one we need to have the President "fix".
I like the cut of your jib here Fluffy. I really do.
"They are taking our currency" and buying our debt with it. We get their shit, they get our worthless IOUs. We are winning on this deal.
If we stop borrowing money they're gonna be fucked. It's not their fault we're addicted to debt.
You're more correct than you know Banjo. See the post above yours.
Romney has Mankiw as economic advisor? It sure doesn't sound like it.
Another reason not to vote for Mittens. Mankiw advocates high inflation as "the cure".
Perry: We don't need no stinkin' policies!
Really sad that Romeny gets away with being pro-Fed, pro-bailout, and criticizing China for "manipulating their currency"
How else could he win the Democratic nomination?
derp
Man, every time Perry opens his mouth, I hear nothing but FAIL.
Hahah, I think Santorum literally wants to go to war with China.
Santorum doesn't want a war with China. He wants to defeat them in a war!
Did Santorum just admit he wants to get into a shooting war with the PRC?
Santorum is awesome in debates.
Wow Santorum is tearing Cain's plan up with accurate points. He neglected to mention the sales tax would be another "revenue stream".
How many people want no income tax?
Me, I do.
Most people in the country don't pay income tax.
If you count children and the incarcerated.
Most people who earn an income do pay income tax.
I don't know SIV, 308 million citizens, 142 million taxpayers with positive AGI. Top bracket = 1.4 million taxpayers who contribute 40% of income tax collected. Bottom 2 brackets = 71 million taxpayers who contribute 3% of income tax collected.
IP, Cain -- I got it. 5-5-5 BITCHEZ!
Is it a commercial break? They're still arguing online.
That's it for me. Enjoy the rest of this suckfest.
*wiggle wiggle*
Romney, fuck you. "Let me spout more banal generalities before the break."
This "if you get mentioned you get time to respond" is an unworkable rule.
For cryin' out loud, "mention" Ron Paul so he can talk!
Repeal and Replace. Yeah, that's what the tea party told you.
Most poorly moderated debate ever. Rose just said "When we come back, we'll let you ask each other questions."
Alyona should moderate a debate on Russia Today. It would be fun to watch Gary Johnson mop the floor with Buddy Roemer. Maybe even another candidate would show up!
So 60 minutes, Paul got 2. Seems fair enough.
They should each get a certain amount of time, and if they want to respond to someone else they have to use that time. Just like in competitive debate.
This. These "debates" are bullshit.
+1
Of course in competitive debate you have only two sides and a single topic, so it's simpler to work. But it could be adjusted for multiple sides.
30 years ago, Santorum would have started another war with Japan.
"look how warm everyone looks"?
Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick, why do they keep giving so much time to Huntsman of all people? He polls worse than Santorum.
Two words: media candidate.
Not in New Hampshire though.
It's Bloomberg. Huntsman is their kind of Republican.
They have no fucking control.
They should have some old-style Catholic nuns run these things. With metal yardsticks.
Shock chairs. "Your time is (ZZAP!!) up."
I thought Huntsman dropped out?
No, he just might as well have.
Land value taxes: stop taxing productive activities and creating deadweight loss. Better than any of these plans.
Oh lord, here come the Henry Georgists!
Geolibertarians, thank you very much.
the single tax is the best tax.
Tax corporations for raising capital rather than earning income.
Oh, Margaret Brennan. Financial babe.
My shitty hotel internet connection just shows a still shot of Mittens. I F5ed it a few times and got an American flag with text stating it is a commercial break.
So you saw mitt & santorum then?
Peter G. Peterson? the pickle king of chicago?
So Paul hasn't spoken in 30-40 minutes? Nice skipping over a response to the Reagan clip from someone who was actually in Congress at the time...
Paul very publicly broke with Reagan in 1984.
Would have been nice for that to get a mention in the debate.
It wouldn't have been nice for Paul.
Why not? He could say, "See that clip everyone else has to avoid and pretend Reagan never said? I was there. I heard him say it. I was against it then!"
Who's the hot chick in the beige raincoat?
Margaret Brennan
Updated
I wonder how many consultants their are that tell the candidates how to position their hands on the table.
Why doesn't one of these idiots say to the lewinsky press some
introductory line like the following? You power-worshipping,
knee-padded lewinsky ass-kisser.....
30 seconds each, plus infinite free time if you make noises about it.
Circular firing squad...FIRE!
Gotta love the "fact" that was flashing during the commercial break: the debt went up $4T under Obama but $5T under Bush.
No fan of Bush, but that's not remotely a fair comparison, 8 years vs. 3 years.
Shh!
Yeah. Give the man a chance to outdo his predecessor.
Haha, Bachmann stealing Paul's slam when she should be going after the leaders. What a dope.
Perry: I was Reagan before Reagan was Reagan!
I hope Paul is thinking of a great question, because ain't no one gonna ask him a question.
He should ask the anchors why they're such corrupt propaganda d-bags
I just noticed Gingrich hasn't attacked the moderators yet. He's grown.
Cain: 999! 999! 999((99nine(99
But Governor Perry, states have to balance their budgets because they don't create and control a fiat currency - they are users of that currency. The Federal Govt is an entirely different beast.
And as we all know, there are no negative consequences from debasing that fiat currency.
Wah! In the long run, we'll all be dead!
...Oops, sorry, had a psychotic incident there and thought I was a Keynesian for a second.
I'm not in favor of debasing the US dollar. Straw man. (I don't consider targeted 1-2% annual inflation "debasement" though - you probably do).
We're just arguing over the price then. Compound interest is a bitch, dude.
so, you're in favor of exponential money growth. That's really great for the planet.
You simpletons think we can run a national economy like a household economy. No wonder you don't understand Keynes' brilliance.
Can you summarize your plan in a soundbite?
What a stupid question, Cain.
I can: 9-9-9.
Attention candidates: STOP GIVING ROMNEY MORE TIME.
They should be asking Perry- he's the #1 guy to lose support the more he talks.
Plus they're all fighting over the conservative vote. Romney has the moderate vote locked up.
Romney: fundamentally restructure the American economy. Shades of Obama.
OMG Huntsman STFU
"OMG"? I'm not going to talk religion.
Idiots! So now Romney has gotten THREE free chunks of time.
A smart thing would be to spend your time attacking everyone else and never getting around to asking a question. Oopsie.
No Mitt. I could only want somebody who fundamentally *does not* know how the economy works. And knows it.
Wow Paul is doing his question right.
Don't tell me they arrested Sandi
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/.....t-Arrested
He has the crazy eyes.
Personally, I like Motorhead's 999 plan better than Cain's.
The original
The cover's better, although I shouldn't have posted it twice.
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I think the fact checkers will eat Cain on that answer.
As long as they eat Cain's pizza.
Oh, and 9-9-9.
If anyone besides Ron Paul had asked it, maybe.
I'm proud of alot of facts.
As conservatives, including Rep. Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, rally for fiscal transparency, Cain ? a former Kansas City Federal Reserve chairman ? continues to dismiss the push for a thorough audit of the public-private agency. While Cain asserts in his new autobiography, "I don't think you're going to find anything to audit on the Federal Reserve," Paul's Domestic Monetary Policy subcommittee has overseen a GAO investigation of the Fed's crisis response emergency lending that uncovered $16 trillion in emergency loans to foreign banks.
Cain's pattern of misjudgment and obfuscation is not a recent phenomenon. Just one week before the economic collapse and subsequent banker bailouts in 2008, he went on the record to defend the strength of the financial markets and suggest an "imaginary recession."
"He was completely clueless about the condition of the economy right up to the moment of collapse," notes Revolution PAC Chairman Tom Woods.
Thank you for that, Adam.
Not very many were clear they saw it coming. Peter Schiff and a few others. But it's how you respond. McCain, Bush, Obama, Paulson etc panicked.
Schiff also miscalled the hyperinflation thing by a mile.
I don't wanna jump the gun or anything, but I'm pretty sure Romney is the Corporatocracy/GOP/Media's chosen one...
Say it ain't so Joe!
Herman Cain to Ron Paul: And furthermore, you a grumpy old man!
Skips you goes to me. Reverses you goes to me. Draw four.
See, Romney is smart, he's asking someone who is already on the down slope.
And who can take votes from his stronger competitors.
She's 55?!?! Damn, I thought she was ten years younger.
Yeah she's lookin good for her age.
Unlike me.
I don't know how you could possibly tell without an electron douchometer.
...or is that an electron douchoscope?
That is one attractive 55-year old woman. Just sayin.
Santorum = best debater ever. Incredible, considering what a dick he is.
Anyone who thinks Santorum an idiot is making a grave error.
Where's he at in the polls again?
Not an idiot. A dick.
Not surprising that a dick would be a good 'bater.
A master 'bater, in fact.
Chuck Schumer is the best TV appearance manipulator I've ever seen. None of these guys comes close.
These guys need to lick their lips more, like Chuck.
"Cain is an inexperienced tool." - Rick Santorum
lol "you will not be president forever"
And Paul whispered, "You aren't gonna be president forever..."
Was that him?
I thought it sounded like him.
I think Santorum's mic was still open...
Sounded more like Santorum's voice to me.
Nein! Nein! Nein!
Fahrvergn?gen!
I thought Morton "Mor-teeny tiny town" Kondracke was going to be the moderator.
Haha, Christie is in the audience. Romney probably sprung for three seats for him and his wife.
ha! a fat joke!
is he eating a hoagie too?
Fat jokes, they're only pathetic when Conan (not the sword and brawn guy) does them. He always follows them up with nutritional advice that is thirty years out of date.
Greenspan!?!?!
Herman endorses Greenspan FTL.
Greenspan.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Dr Paul, jump in the effectiveness of Fed Reserve chairmen.
Cain shows why he absolutely sucks.
Paul throwing out red meat for the Goldbugs.
Cain just gave RP a belt-high fastball right down the middle. Holy shit.
Good god Rose went straight to Romney before she even finished talking.
I was in the right place, but it must've been the wrong time...
Damn it, Romney sounds like a fucking president. I don't really mean that as a compliment, just as reality.
Romney is right about Dodd-Frank, and right about Obama being in over his head. He just wants a trade war with China, that's all!
So depressing.
She understands Dodd-Frank will destroy jobs... but she doesn't understand that shrinking the deficit during a recession will also destroy jobs.
So depressing.
Luckily a lot of those jobs will be government ones, so that's a plus.
Sadly, you have a point. Paying some of these people to sit on the couch and watch TV might be better than paying them to interfere with liberty and markets.
The first one destroys jobs long-term, the second temporarily.
Did she just slander Durbin?
Yes Paul take some time!
Fuck yeah - SOX kickdown. I've been waiting for someone to say that.
Did you see how absolutely dismissive they were of him???
Paul: A pox on both Teams.
Charlie's a dick- he's cut off Paul and Paul alone every single time.
Yep total bullshit.
Cain is the Rent Is Too Damn High guy.
$999 should be the highest rent in this country!
The 9 is too 9 9!
All three of these moderators are fucking horrible. Not just that their biased - they just flat out should not be up there. Although the hot girl can stay up there as long as she doesn't talk and gets lots of camera shots. Worst debate moderation I've ever seen.
I think Wolf Blitzer was the best.
Jerry Springer and Steve Wilkos would be moderating these things. And they should bring Gingrich's ex-wives up to the table too.
Yeah it's like a SCOTUS transcript- all biased speech, with a question mark at the end.
Tim Cavanaugh just puked.
Has the American Dream died, Newt?
Heh, Cain says what many are thinking.
D.C.
Wall St.
Ne'er the twain shall meet.
Can we have a debate without the candidates and just the chick asking questions?
In a bikini. Playing volleyball.
Why the bikini?
Karen Tumulty is the 99%
Mitt wants to fundamentally restructure her foundation.
Sounds like Obama.
We can't let this debate go without the question of disparity?
How do I look in red?
Every candidate should post their explicit replacement for the existing tax code. Don't just say "It needs fundamental overhaul".
I whole-heartedly support this. It would shift the debate to the details on how we should reform it.
But what about the IRS accountants, agents, lawyers, and bureaucrats?
Won't somebody think about them?
It's called a double-income home, Rick. Getting rid of gays and single mothers won't fix poverty.
Income statistics are even worse than climate change statistics.
Home is Latin for Economy. This means something. This is important.
foreign words mean me smart
ROMANI EUNT IN DOMO
dumb it down a shade
Required Monty Python viewing
Though I fucked it up. Well, fucked it up the wrong way.
Romans they go the house?
People called Romans they go the house?
Who was that talking?
Hitler, I think.
I don't know if it's a good idea to quote Greek wisdom about economics at this point in history....
I'm surprised Santorum would say anything about those same-sex lovin' ancient Greeks.
That's a misconception. They didn't penetrate, they just frotted.
It's still an expression of eros, bro.
That's what she said.
Gay friend told me about that. I answered back, "I don't know about you, but I target the ass, not the thigh." He was like, 'Amen to that brother. Heaven's quota is already full.'
The return of Kerry=Skull&Bones; guy!
So what was the heckler yelling about? All I heard was "gay"
So you got the important part.
Assuming about how Santorum's a dick and doesn't want two-parent homes for gay parents...just a guess though.
I thought it was a recipe for chicken casserole.
semiskilled, overskilled, hyperskilled, propterskilled, interskilled,....
roflcopterskilled?
You know, like nun-chuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills...
That angle makes Perry look goofy.
Wow Perry just comes across as not very intelligent.
Nothing wrong with Perry that a punch in his face won't fix.
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others."
Wow, that was 2 hours I will never get back.
Cain is a freakin idiot.. Greenspan? How many people spit out their beer tonight?
Oh Margaret...
Too bad Charlie Rose doesn't moderate every debate.
His kids must be really fucked up if this is his idea of a nice dinner conversation.
I liked his show because it's one of the few places you see in-depth interviews, but he seems to become more annoying with age.
Used to have in-depth interviews. Now it's mostly Charlie speaking his opinion at his guest in the form of a question.
Now for the post-game wrap-up.
I actually liked this debate the most out of all of them, although candidate time was way off. Seems like 80% was Cain speaking. Was it really necessary to have that video clip of him saying 9-9-9?
Considering the new poll numbers that were recently released, it seems appropriate that this would be a Cain-centric debate.
Really each debate should focus on having the candidate swarm attack the flavor of the week. This has worked well in the past (see also: Perry, Bachmann).
Cain's Greenspan love is going to hurt him.
Nah, only among us. Most people don't even know who Greenspan is or what he did.
Splicing that into an attack ad would be VERY effective.
But, but, he got us through the dotcom bubble! Granted, by getting us into the housing bubble, but we got out of that, eventually!
And he hung out with Ayn Rand! Wait...where was I going with this?
I think you were going to offer me a combo deal on a pizza and breadsticks.
I finally found the jingle that Cain's 999 reminds me of. A flerking Wendy's commercial.
Awkward to say, isn't it. Triple-nine...
I can't find a clip but there was a Dangermouse episode where he and Penfold are talking to a German and every time the German says "nein, nein, nein" Penfold replies "27".
Here.
My sources tell me that Christie was going to run, but then he found out there would be no food served at this "dinner table debate" and backed out.
He wouldn't have qualified for the debate. Remember the Gary Johnson rule of having to have been in 3+ debates (which probably wouldn't exist if Christie was there)???
... unless you're Rick Perry who still gets in with just 2 debates.
bullshit.
Perry was in three debates in September.
oops. oh well, still bullshit.
oops. oh well, still bullshit.
oops. oh well, still bullshit.
I've still got this thing going. They just played Santorum's "I want to go to war with China" sound-clip.
What kind of dweeb wears false eyebrows? Is Ron Paul a closeted gay?
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"What kind of dweeb wears false eyebrows? Is Ron Paul a closeted gay?"
Dunno Max. Are you looking for a date?
The stupid just exploded on my facebook when someone who's been all Occupy WallStreet rules for the last 7 days felt sorry for the NBA players.
Isn't a persons' sexual preference a private matter, Max?
Relevant to everyone's interest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSIbTJSJtc
Michelle Bachmann did so good, she almost turned me straight.
There's hope for you
http://www.showbizspy.com/arti.....penis.html
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MATTHEW BRODERICK?
Which of these turds won tonight?
I did!
Wait, what?
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