Exciting Schools
Why our kids deserve a free market in education
School spending has doubled over the past 30 years. Yet what do we get? More buildings and more assistant principals—but student learning? No improvement. If you graph the numbers, the spending line slopes steeply, while the lines for reading, math, and science scores are as flat as a dead man's EKG.
Why no improvement? Because K-12 education is a government monopoly, and monopolies don't improve.
And yet I'm happy to announce some good news: Cool things are starting to happen in classrooms.
I was surprised to meet kids who said they like school. What? I found school boring. How can it be that these fourth-graders tell me that they look forward to going to school and that math is "rockin' awesome"?
Those kids attend one of those new charter schools. Charters let them escape the bureaucracy of regular schools, including, often, teachers union rules. These schools compete for kids because parents can always choose another school. That makes them better.
Not every charter school is good, but the beauty of competition is that bad ones go out of business, while good ones expand. Then good schools teach more kids. Choice and competition produce quality. Anyone surprised?
Government schools rarely improve because no matter how bad they are, they still have captive customers.
The Harlem charter schools admit kids that bureaucrats label "at risk of failure." But these kids learn. And they do it at lower cost.
I visited another charter chain, American Indian Public Charter Schools in Oakland, Calif., that gets similar top results, also at lower cost.
"Kids in American Indian Public Charter Schools score so far above the average for the state for public school children that there isn't even a word for it," says Andrew Coulson, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom.
Those schools use methods different from the charters in Harlem. For example, they pay some kids to tutor other kids.
Both charters do something that regular public schools rarely do: fire teachers. One charter principal calls it "freeing up a person's future."
You cannot maintain quality unless you can fire people, said Deborah Kenny, founder of Harlem Village Academies.
While bad teachers might get fired, good teachers are given freedom.
"They can choose their textbooks, teaching methods—as long as they, every quarter and every year, make sure that the students are learning what they need to learn," Kenny said.
In Harlem, 43 percent of eighth-graders pass state math tests. In Kenny's schools, 100 percent pass. So if charters work, why aren't there more of them? Because teachers unions hate them. The president of the Newark Teachers Union, Joseph Del Grosso, doesn't want charters in what he calls "his schools."
"Over my dead body, they're going to come there," he told me.
Because of that attitude, people who try to start charter schools often find that bureaucrats make it hard. But in one city, most kids now attend charters. How did that happen?
It happened because when Hurricane Katrina destroyed much of New Orleans, it also destroyed the school system. Some school reformers thought that might be a blessing.
"It was probably one of the worst school districts in the country," said Paul Pastorek, former Louisiana state superintendent of education. The state faced a choice: Rebuild the old system or build something new. It built something new. Opening charters became easy. Today, most kids in New Orleans attend charter schools, and test scores are better.
Ben Marcovitz started a charter school called Sci Academy.
"We have complete control over the quality of our instruction."
At first, only a third of his students were proficient on state tests. Now, Sci Academy's test results are among the best in the city.
Competition drives schools to try different things in order to succeed. It's similar to what happens with consumer goods—computers, refrigerators, cars—that get better every year.
If charter schools do this well, imagine what a really free and competitive system—one without compulsory tax financing and bureaucratic chartering procedures—could do.
Our kids deserve a free market in education.
John Stossel is host of Stossel on the Fox Business Network. He's the author of Give Me a Break and of Myth, Lies, and Downright Stupidity. To find out more about John Stossel, visit his site at johnstossel.com.
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"Look, Lane, I've been going to this high school for seven and a half years. I'm no dummy."
+Two dollars
You are really...(leafs through book)...bringing me over, man.
Greendale is a fly speck on the map. I can't even get real drugs here.
What's a little boy like you doing with big boy smut like this?
"She only speaks French, Roy. She doesn't speak imbecile."
Inspiring words from a man who KNOWS how to ski.
Do you mind if I ask out Beth?
"School Sux"
The Wurld Is Rooled By Dops"
I found school boring.
Kids today have more than one room in their schoolhouse, John. (Burn!)
What are you doing to my Camaro? It's already screwed up as it is.
bitchen camaro!
Please tell me you're not quoting Fast Times at Ridgemont High in reference to Warty's quote.
He still has a Dead Milkmen shout out to save him, hatah.
it was dead milkmen. they, and camper van beethoven had some great lyrics.
dead milkmen are ALWAYS appropriate when camaros are mentioned.
sorry, epi, if i colored outside the lines.
no, i'm quoting the dead milkmen which isw always an appropriate camaro reference, but yes - i like better off dead, too. although, i think john cusack has become an insufferable "progressive pundit". it's a great movie.
not up to michael bay quality of course 🙂
I fail to see how market principles work when you're still doing universality and having government foot the bill. Why is education different from prisons or defense contracting (or healthcare) with respect to privatization? That is, why would it be cheaper when that clearly never happens in other sectors? And shopping around? Kid 1 had a bad K-12 education, so we'll try somewhere else for Kid 2?
If government is still paying (and obviously setting minimum standards) then the situation is not any different from what it is now, except that certain private entities who are looking to cash in on government contracts will see their profits rise.
Shopping around again, eh, Tony?
That is, why would it be cheaper when that clearly never happens in other sectors
That's a good point. I don't know about Indian or New Orleans, but HVA is extraordinarily expensive. This is why vouchers make much more sense. Only about 10% of children K-12 are in private schools. You could easily save money and improve both quality and variety of education.
So are you making the argument that school systems should be totally privatized or totally un-privatized?
And profits, how dare someone provide service and make money! There should be a law!
Here's the thing, if these private entities do a crappy job... they lose students and cease being profitable. The schools that provide a service that parents and students find worthwhile will make a profit.
In contrast, public schools have zero incentive to do anything above the bare minimum.
Of course education shouldn't be privatized. I think private school and homeschooling should be discouraged (but not banned), in fact.
That's not because I hate capitalism, but because education (like healthcare and police power) is a service properly available universally. Everyone here seems to admit (through their support of vouchers) that universality in education can never be achieved in a totally private scheme. And I think most would agree that universal access to education is necessary for a marketplace to have any semblance of fairness of access.
I'm not an expert on education and know there need to be huge improvements, but handing it over to upstarts looking to milk the government teat like we have with defense and criminal justice, I'm pretty sure, isn't the answer. Government is not totally incapable of innovating or improving (look at our war machinery, or NASA, or someone else's transportation infrastructure). It just takes money and political will. I won't completely dismiss the possibility that among the methods could be to study how private schools do things. But innovation in the marketplace really isn't all its cracked up to be. Businesses don't necessarily innovate things like better education; they innovate ways to make more profit, and that isn't always the same thing as a better product.
Here is the issue I have with this line of argument, even with universal education or health care there is a significant difference between the haves and the have nots. Total equality of outcome is a complete and total pipe dream.
You are correct, the profit incentive does not always equate with a better product. It does however correlate with a product that more people are willing trade for. I cannot and should not be allowed to make the decision as to what sort of education someone else's kids for them.
But that's not anybody's goal. It's about a universal minimum level of access. If there are still unacceptable disparities, I don't see how the solution to that should be to exacerbate them.
I frankly don't think parents should have total unfettered control over what sort of education their kids should have. That would put the children of dumb or bad parents at a significant disadvantage.
Some things are perfectly knowable without the invisible hand pointing to them.
NCLB and all the other various boondoggles do have equity of outcome as a primary goal.
And as we have seen, the children of dumb parents are already at a disadvantage, because in all probability, they are dumb too! I know it pains you to hear that, but genetics matter. No amount of social conditioning, good environments or magic unicorn farts spread by teachers is going to change that.
Children of dumb and/or bad parents are already at a huge disadvantage. How would giving parents a choice really make it worse?
"I frankly don't think parents should have total unfettered control over what sort of education their kids should have"
End of discussion.
Come knock on my door and tell me what kinds of limits you want to put on how I choose to educate my kids, and see what kind of response you get.
Islands of religious idiocy is not my idea of a civilized country.
Brainwashed leftists like you have no credible ideas anyway, Tony.
But a civilized country of course would make broad, expansive, and intrusive laws which seek to dictate something so personal as to how a person wants to educate their children.
You understand that even social democratic utopias have private schools right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....ska_Skolan
The idea that there's something inherently wrong with someone wanting to create their own school, and charge people to attend, is absolutely absurd and bereft of any moral or logical support.
You're incorrect. The profit incentive ALWAYS equates with a better (or cheaper) product. See: Mises, Human Action.
Not to quibble but it is at the nexus of better and cheaper that most individuals choose to purchase. I agree with you in principle though.
Businesses don't necessarily innovate things like better education; they innovate ways to make more profit, and that isn't always the same thing as a better product.
One of the ways businesses make more profit without a better product is to either fill or create a niche. That's what I think school choice could do. It won't improve SAT scores much, but voucher and charter schools could better prepare students to a 21st century economy. They could hardly do worse than public schools.
" they innovate ways to make more profit, and that isn't always the same thing as a better product."
such deep rooted, fundamental ignorance about how the market works. All our problems basically stem from fools like tony
So are you claiming that it's always the case that businesses profit from improving a product in a non-profit related way, or are you claiming that it's just obviously true that the market is magical enough to innovate universal education somehow?
If anything is not perfect, then government needs to control it so it'll be perfectly crappy.
Good ole Tony, infamous propagator of false dichotomies.
Re: califronian,
Don't feed the troll.
universal education is universally shitty.
Tony: "I'm not an expert on education.. "
May I nominate for "understatement of the year"?
In other news: Tony, Shut the Fuck Up!!
It's different from other privatization processes because there are a number of self-interested individual consumers of education directing the money, instead of one arm or agency of government. You shrink the size of the decision, increase the number of times it's made, and actually tap the wisdom of a diverse market, instead of having a small political body shovel a shit-ton of money at a particular contractor.
The private entities will see their profits rise because they're delivering better product, so long as a number of private consumers are directing the dollars, even if the dollars do come from government.
Re: Sockpuppet,
Your lack of vision, perspective, character, reason, intelligence, knowledge, common sense, sensibility and simple thinking skills are no one else's problems but yours, sockpuppet.
Government doesn't pay for anything, you lousy sack of dog poop. It simply takes from the producers to give it to the leeches.
I pay taxes, does that make me a producer?
You know who else believed the most vulnerable members of a society were to be considered parasites?
The Orkin? Man?
Re: Sockpuppet,
Do you produce anything of value? If you have to ask the question, you have answered it already. I *work* for a living, I do not take from others and then pretend I was "paid." That is, I do not work for no stinkin' government.
Yes, I know - John Holdren.
It is typical to give charter schools much less money per student than their equivalent public school. Yet they continue to do more with less. The only way the teachers unions would let charters exist is if they are placed at a disadvantage, yet many continue to answer the challenge.
"Now that's a real shame, when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."
"He puts his testicles all over me!"
If you make a school so hard that bad students don't apply and mediocre students drop out, it's not exactly surprising that the test scores are good.
It ain't fair!
It ain't fair to compare the scores.
This raises another question though. Should these so-called bad and mediocre students even be forced to try to be in the same league as the "good" students? Why shouldn't they drop out and start working (or whoring)? Why do they have to spend 12 years languishing through bullshit they don't care about just to end up in Wal-Mart? If they are going there anyway, they should be allowed to leave and all the lamentations of the assholes who think they know what's good for these children should be ignored. The scary thing for some people (I call them Queefing Vaginas) is that some of these bad and mediocre students would get into the workforce and kick some serious ass, thus displacing older, lazier, once-entrecnched and entitled members of the workforce. So fucking be it.
But then if we went to the complete free market education, people would ask "What about kids with bad parents who would never voluntarily save money for them to go to school"? Should that be deemed a child welfare issue and force school attendance?
And another thing: this article mentioned cost savings? Anyone have any links showing how much cheaper it is?
And I'm confident that a local parochial school, or private school, or home-school cooperative would provide the necessary funds for the child's education. They are called scholarships, and they are fairly common.
Bullshit.
I'm with Warren Buffet:
"One should never depend on the kindness of strangers"...especially if they are libertarians
WTF is up with Warren Buffett? Why has the American Left suddenly seized on this guy as some kind of Good Capitalist Icon?
Oh and what exactly does your new Acceptable Patriotic Kulak have to do with education?
Especially when the stupid bastard can't figure out that if he wants to pay more taxes, all he has to do is write a check to the IRS.
Warren Buffet is a fucking idiot.
But if you want to see him as some kind of wise sage, go ahead.
Meaning:
Strange, I'm a libertarian and donate to my alma mater to support scholarships and some other social charities as well. But you KNOW that all libertarians are scum who will do whatever it takes to earn a buck and then go out of their way not to share any of their hard-earned wealth. You're right. You're always right.
Forced attendance has led to the mess we have now. Some kids are too stupid to learn. Some kids are too criminal to learn. Deal with it.
And...I think most kids (even the smart ones) inherently resent the system and their parents for forcing them into it, thus exasperating the vain task of indoctrinati...I mean "teaching" these poor souls.
Two dollars!
Where's my Two Dollars?
"Gee, I'm really sorry your mom blew up, Ricky. I guess she won't be able to eat any spicy foods for awhile."
Best line of the movie.
HOLY SHIT! Any word on debate liveblog orgy action tonight?
Liveblog! Liveblog! Please.
"My little brother got his arm stuck in the microwave. So my mom had to take him to the hospital. My grandma dropped acid this morning, and she freaked out. She hijacked a busload of penguins. So it's sort of a family crisis. Bye!"
Dammit, SF, don't leave us in suspense! What happened to the microwave?
"The K-12, dude. You make a gnarly run like that and girls will get sterile just looking at you."
"Ohhhh. Tentacles. N-T. Big Difference."
Stossell is wrong. There should be no govt involvement in schools whatsoever. Vouchers are a terrible idea.
Keep the government out of my school.
this is yet another perfect example of best is enemy of the good reasoning.
However, govt is involved in schools, therefore, vouchers are a great idea.
Later, we can try to have a greater idea.
"Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn."
"I have great fear of tools. I once made a birdhouse in woodshop and the fair housing committee condemned it."
Godamn refresh!
To be fair, you Internet has to go uphill, so it's slower.
Damn KY Internet. Which is basically two old ladies on an old-timey telephone switchboard and one of them is deaf as a post.
when i think of the KY internet, it is not old ladies that come to mind, but whatever excites you, man
We know, you usually get off on sodomizing a bum with a toilet plunger.
not that there's anything wrong with that...
" I have great fear of tools. I once made a birdhouse in woodshop and the fair housing committee condemned it."
You like raisins.
hehehehe. He said "tools"
Cusack apparently went ballistic when Savage Steve Holland screened the first cut of the film to him. Cusack's reaction also apparently greatly lessened Holland's desire to make movies.
http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000134.php
The 'DS' from that is Dan Schneider aka Ricky Smith.
Cusack apparently hated the film when Savage Steve Holland screened it for him.
For christ's sake, is the spam filter back to blocking all posts with links in them again?
I thought this was fixed?
Anyway I was posting a link to an interview with Savage Steve Holland where he talks about Cusack going ballistic after being screened the film.
http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000134.php
Savage Steve Holland describes Cusack's reaction when he was shown the film for the first time:
http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000134.php
I keep getting spam filtered for trying to list a link or even just the address of an interview with Savage Steve Holland.
Mr. Stossel, as a public school teacher I say you're absolutely right that we need more choice in education. But I must point out that you've neglected to address the other half of the problem: government mandates. Policy mandates like Bush's NCLB and Obama's RTT make real choice impossible and hamstring public, private, and charter schools alike. Yes, there's a captive market in education, and it's due first of all to federal and state government mandates that require every child receive the same education regardless of whether s/he's ready, willing, or able. The current system is overwhelmed with students who need alternatives to academic education. It would help if we let more teens opt out of the system rather than forcing them to stay in. The students who don't want to be in school and spend their time disrupting class likewise make it impossible for the motivated students to learn. Current laws make it nearly impossible to expel problem students, and this winds up driving the good students out of public schools (when parents have the resources to move their child to private schools), and so the schools continually get worse. Real school reform would start with the abolition of the Federal Department of Education as well as state-level policies that force everyone to remain in school (such as making it impossible for drop-outs to get drivers licenses). To create a truly competitive education system, the choices must include home schooling, "unschooling," dropping-out, and, above all, non-state regulated schools. If we simply go with more charter schools and voucher programs without deregulation first, we're just going to get more of what we have now: lots of unhappy and frustrated kids, parents, and teachers, and a system that fosters our most serious societal problems.
I have been a teacher for seven years and I have seen everything you are talking about in this post. One big problem is that the unions scare most teachers regarding their job security and they refuse to consider anything other than the current system. Bad parents don't care. Nothing will change until we run out of money. In the meantime, I have to try to teach algebra to kids who can't add 4+5 unless they have a calculator because Arne Duncan says so.
In the meantime, I have to try to teach algebra to kids who can't add 4+5 unless they have a calculator because Arne Duncan says so.
It really is amazing how fucking ignorant most of these reform ideas are. There was a story in the Post a couple months ago about a district that did away with honors classes because the AP students were so good at everything. How the results weren't predictable to these clowns is just beyond my comprehension.
Indeed! The effect of No Child Left Behind is that few children can get ahead in this crazy system. And Race To The Top is even worse. Arne Duncan wants to standardize curriculum nation-wide, from Maine to Hawaii, regardless of what parents and communities might want for their kids. And we're still pushing too many kids into college, so college today is watered down, which in turns puts less pressure on kids to do well in high school. The system is broken beyond repair.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to standardize Math and English.
Standardized curriculum for math, English, and other academic subjects is fine. In fact, we already have that. But what Arne Duncan appears to be pushing is requiring all students to take the same courses, and that is a grave mistake. A lot of students would be much better served in vocational/technical education programs.
Agreed.
A lot of students would be much better served in vocational/technical education programs.
That's fucking racist.
Or just admitting that while all men are created equal, not all men ARE equal.
Tony, I think you mean elitist, but let me state plainly that such options should be available to all students, regardless or race, ethnicity, or gender. What is elitist is trusting in so-called experts in Washington D.C. to know what's best for every child in America.
+10000
And what scares me is that so-called parents who happen to have functional reproductive organs are supposed to be trusted to know what's best for their own children.
There should be no school vouchers or public schools.
It just isn't fair to make the elder, single people, homosexuals, and other people with no kids pay for other people's kids to go to school.
All schools should be public. You can't pay, that's your tough shit.
To be fair, as long as we're giving out cash to the poor for things we feel guilty about them going without (food, shelter, vaccinations, etc), we might as well give them cash to educate their kids.
The poor having *access* to education is hardly the issue.
why give them anything?
If the government stops taxing us to give these lazy people food, shelter, vaccinations, education, etc...they'll have to get off their lazy asses and go to work.
besides, once we eliminate the minimum wage, many many jobs will open up for these losers.
You're not doing it right. Try harder.
Why our kids deserve a free market in education
Any statement that begins with "why our kids deserve..." quickly and automatically earns my contempt and I lose any respect that I could have ever pretended to have for the rest of the idea.
kids don't inherently deserve anything...stop trying to convince everybody of that bullshit 😉 seriously.
Exactly
One must work and earn what they have. Unless they are rich.
Nobody can get everything they deserve, in a cosmic sense. And the govt isn't here to dole out "cosmic justice" (at Thomas Sowell calls it).
But if there's something useful the govt can do for kids, something that involves more freedom and does much more good than harm, then yes, kids deserve it! That's not the same as saying they deserve free ponies.
Tony|9.22.11 @ 5:56PM|#
"Total equality of outcome is a complete and total pipe dream."
But that's not anybody's goal. It's about a universal minimum level of access. If there are still unacceptable disparities, I don't see how the solution to that should be to exacerbate them.
So it's impossible and unheard of for, say, an insurance company or a grocery store or any private entity imaginable to appeal to the "have-nots"? You're right, I've never heard of that. I guess if you can't afford ATT, your ass ain't gettin' a cellphone. If you can't afford a lexus, you ain't drivin...
*smirks*
My point EXACTLY.
Go to the PROJECTS in your local Ghetto. You show me ONE TEENAGER without a Cell Phone.
Team Stossel Liveblog is preempted tonight for the Repug presidential debate open thread.
Camp KWCHRBCHN awaits you, FOE.
Camp Kwchrbchn awaits you, Fist.
I think you mean "Rethuglican Debate".
I don't think this episode is a repeat. Why would you do that on debate night, Stoss? Why?
Baba booey!
haha, I just get all excited about schools.. I can't wait 'til we got a real way to fund schools. Really, nobody really cares while they are actually, really in school. Of all the things to complain about school, I couldn't even imagine one god damn thing about how things were "funded". hahaha. Just playin' politics with this shit, really. I went to public school. If you tried to get me to go private school when I was a teen, I'd whip the dogshit out of ya. Fever few want their kids to be "educated" as far as book smarts... it's more like, I'm wise, "Son, what're you doing with that girl?". Libs, dems, republicans, progressives..whatever... nothing to do with the majority of real people's lives. I'll listen to hank williams, fuck my gay boyfriend, drink, snort, and blow... want me? come 'n find me, cunt. Haha, I'm drunk. *don't tell the police* hahahz
Real Geniuses: Led Zeppelin
American Indian Public Charter Schools in Oakland, Calif., that gets similar top results, also at lower cost.
And that's exactly the same results as with literally any other school with a student body that's mostly Asians and only 2% Indians. Duh.
Public school waste lots of money, so the fact that other schools don't waste as much isn't hard to show, but why the complete lack of evidence that students at charter schools learn more than equivalent students at regular public schools? Could it be because, since anecdotes aren't data, there isn't any such evidence?
Obama just gutted NCLB, that is all.
Which "bad" charters have gone out of business? A very few have been closed by the charter providers because of fraud and abuse of tax funding, but which ones have had their charter revoked due to poor performance? So very few. Any evidence that students attending charter schools perform better? None at all, see the research. And the research confirms that, instead of being innovative and free of those regulations that are said to stifle public, I'm sorry, government schools, the vast majority of charter schools have not implemented programs which are different from the public school programs. Read the research, not the stuff put out by greene, hoxby and peterson or the voucher stuff of friedman's people. Those "studies" are not considered research by anyone except for the activists behind anti-public education groups who want to get their hands on the money.
Standardized testing is a poor way to measure student/teacher performance!
Some charter schools have lower test scores than public schools! PROOF THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION IS BETTER!
This is a very prescient article. I'm from Kansas City and the Kansas City, MO School District just had its accreditation revoked by the state of Missouri due to years of incompetence and failure. I'm the campaign manager for a local political candidate here in KC and was asked yesterday what my candidate's plan was for turning around KCMO's school district. The obvious answer was school choice to combat the failed monopoly system and weakening of the teachers' unions, which has been protecting incompetent KCMO teachers for 30 years while restricting awards and benefits of the highly successful teachers.
My God this country needs new political blood. The way things are done is just not good enough anymore.
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I often hear the complaint that incoming quality of students has declined over time. It seems that we should offer a starting assessment to determine if this is true, as many of the problems lie outside of the schools.
A culture that values education and learning is a big part of the solution.
This is not to defend the schools, which need to move away from large classroom based instruction to individualized learning plans, using technology to rival the personal tutoring approach that is so effective in letting students progress as fast as they can.
How do we ensure special education isn't adversely affected by non-monopolized govt schools?
In New Zealand we are having similar issues with the demand for education especially early childhood daycare. The national government whilst promoting quality in education, is simultaneously asking for efficiency in service provision. For several years, state funding grew at an unsustainable rate, and now we must get used to living within our means - a great challenge for many of us, but I am sure we will survive.
Keith Handley
http://www.kinderhaven.co.nz