Why Was Shoshana Hebshi Cuffed and Strip-Searched on 9/11? The FBI Doesn't Know, and the Detroit Airport Won't Say
The identity of a passenger removed from Frontier Airlines flight 623 last Sunday has been confirmed by the Associated Press. A half-Arab half-Jewish Ohio housewife named Shoshana Hebshi, who claimed on her blog earlier this week that she had been detained in Detroit, strip-searched, and interrogated, was in fact one of three passengers escorted off flight 623 by WCAA police on September 11.
Hebshi wrote on her blog that she and the two Indian men sitting her row were pulled out of their seats and handcuffed without being told why. Hebshi was then put in the back of a police car, driven to an airport facility shared by WCAA and the Department of Homeland Security, and placed in a holding cell. Authorities kept Hebshi at the facility for four hours, during which time she was interrogated about her personal life and travel itinerary, and strip-searched. At no point was she told what she did to earn this treatment:
I asked him several times what was going on and he wouldn't answer me. It was like I was invisible. I felt so helpless and shocked. I was being treated like a criminal.
A plainclothes officer stood came to my door and asked me if I spoke English. Something in me snapped at that question. Of course I spoke English I'm an American citizen, you asshole! Well, I left the expletive out. "Ok," he said and stood watch outside my door saying he wanted to make sure I didn't "flush anything." He also wouldn't tell me what was going on.
Eventually a female uniformed officer came in….I was to stand, face the wall in a position so the camera above the toilet couldn't see, and take off my clothes. I complied…
"You understand why we have to do this, right? It's for our own protection," she told me.
FBI Spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold denied to the Associated Press that it instructed airport authorities to "arrest" Hebshi and the two other passengers: "We received a report of suspicious activity on that particular plane. We did not arrest…these passengers….We didn't direct anybody to arrest them." To further emphasize that the agency had nothing to do with Hebshi's treatment, an FBI agent called her on Monday and apologized, according to the AP.
The Wayne County Airport Authority, on the other hand, told the AP it was following protocol: "[We] responded appropriately by following protocol and treating everyone involved with respect and dignity." But if everyone was being treated with respect and dignity, why were Hebshi and the two Indian men handcuffed and strip-searched, while every other passenger on the flight was moved from the plane to the facility by bus, without cuffs, and without strip searches?
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To further emphasize contradict its claim that the agency had nothing to do with Hebshi's treatment, an FBI agent called her on Monday and apologized.
Why would they apologize if they had nothing to do with it?
They have nothing to fear if they did no wrong.
Amirite?
They had to have had something to do with it. The government only has the authority to detain and search someone like that without any probable cause at the border. And that is not the Wayne County Police. That is the FBI and CBP who have that authority.
FBI: Nothing happened. At all. In the alternative, we'd like to say we're sorry for what we did.
NO JEWS ON AIRPLANES
JOOOSS!!!1111!!!
Hey, I'll apologize to her if it'll make her feel better. Never complain about anyone's apologizing for anything.
The strip search was pointless. If she was a real terrorist, she would have blown all those sorry bastards to Kingdom Come before they ever hauled her off the plane. And they knew it. But they did it anyway.
Totally pointless. They are just fucking mindless drones. They have no common sense or any sense of decency.
From looking at the picture, the question is "why wouldn't you strip search her"?
obviously several rounds of groping are needed
She looks a little Arab, a little Jewish, kinky hair, kinda foreign. The smile says "Dirty Bomb". Fits the profile.
Whenever police arrest someone, they conduct a Search Incident To Arrest. These don't include strip searches. However, if you get booked into holding, strip searches are fairly common. In this day, I think the only way an arrestee isn't cuffed is if they are a double amputee.
I'm not saying these 3 folks should have been arrested. I haven't read anything that suggests probable cause. But once they were arrested, they were getting cuffed and searched.
The protocol for arrests at airports is for the TSA or other authority to have local law enforcement do the arresting. For instance, if you punch a TSA guy in the nuts, it will be local cops who arrest and charge you. CBP or ICE may have their own detention facilities and arrest policies (especially since the latter can detain for non-criminal reasons). But those agencies would not have been invovled with airplane security. That would be TSA primarily.
"For instance, if you punch a TSA guy in the nuts,"
That is a good idea. If they are willing to sexually molest people on a daily basis they deserve it.
Whenever police arrest someone, they conduct a Search Incident To Arrest. These don't include strip searches. However, if you get booked into holding, strip searches are fairly common. In this day, I think the only way an arrestee isn't cuffed is if they are a double amputee.
You're right, but I think they were making the point that Ms. Hebshi was never actually arrested, let alone charged with a crime (or even booked). Officially, she was only "detained."
She was apprently confined to a room at some point, and she was detained for investigation.
In both situations, police typically conduct a search and use cuffs.
There's reasons for this: Some years ago, there was a viral video of a guy placed into an interrogation room by the NYPD. IIRC, he was only a witness, not a suspect. When the cops left him alone, he pulled out a concealed handgun and shot himself.
There's a video of that sort of thing happening in the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Dept. too. http://www.snopes.com/photos/g.....rogate.asp
This guy, however, was arrested for shooting a LEO during a traffic stop. Despite being arrested for shooting someone, he nevertheless manages to conceal on him what looks like a full-sized 1911, into the interview room. The cops leave, and hilarity ensues.
I always wondered, after viewing the video, just how voluntary his act was...
I suppose the bomb could have malfunctioned and they needed to find it anyways.
Nine ELEVENTY!!11OnE!1!
But if everyone was being treated with respect and dignity, why were Hebshi and the two Indian men handcuffed and strip-searched, while every other passenger on the flight was moved from the plane to the facility by bus, without cuffs, and without strip searches?
"Fuck you, that's why."
that works too
I'd like to think that if I were in that same position, I'd be screaming, cursing and not doing a fucking thing they "requested."
And then you would be charged with resisting arrest, obstruction of justice, and a half-dozen other crimes.
plus stomped
And tased, don't forget tased.
CURB stomped.
"[We] responded appropriately by following protocol and treating everyone involved with respect and dignity."
Pssst- I think you need to review your "protocol".
Procedures were followed,
subjects were humiliated and the populace was cowed.
"Au revoirrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Shoshona!"
/Col. Hans Landa
Thank god I'm not the only person for whom that was the first thought upon reading her name.
I knew someone would eventually work that in!
THAT'S A BINGO! Is that how you say it?
And everyone felt safer, nestled in the bosom of the Total Paranoia State.
The end.
A half-Arab half-Jewish Ohio housewife named Shoshana Hebshi
If she killed herself, would that be considered "jihad"?
Arab being more of a sub-race than areligion you will find arab christians, jews, muslims, zorastrians, and I bet if you looked hard enough, arab budhists and navajo possibly (but not cherokee).
/annoying pedant
I think the confusion stems less from the Arab designation than the Jewish designation, as "Jewish" is oftentimes used both as a religion AND as an ethnicity. Hell, most of my Jewish friends aren't remotely observant and view things like bar mitzvahs as cultural customs rather than religious ceremonies.
I'm sure the description means one parent was Arab (ethnic) and one parent was Jewish (ethnic). whew, glad I cleared that up
Yet, I had a co-worker who was Assyrian (Iraqi Christian) who swore up and down that the Arabs only referred to Muslims. Not that I blame her for wanting to avoid the tag.
He's not an Arab but He is a liar.there are many arab jews and arab christians in the middle east.there are even arab atheists.and it's not necessary to be an arab to be muslim.there is a billion and a half muslims in the world,only 18% of the are arabs.
No, just another killing of an peaceful Arab by a hate-filled Zionist.
"Housewife"?
Really?
Of course I spoke English I'm an American citizen, you asshole!
She doesn't talk like a housewife....? Maybe something there?
You should hear my wife. She can swear well enough to make a Marine blush.
Oh, that's housewife-speak alright.
FBI Spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold denied to the Associated Press that it instructed airport authorities to "arrest" Hebshi and the two other passengers:
"We merely asked them to 'detain' her."
I see the problem. "Detain" was confused with "entertain." A common error.
This is one of those distinctions without a difference that is very popular with those in power.
The only thing that matters here is Was she free to go?, if not she has been arrested (literally "stopped").
Now, I'm all on board with the idea that good cops (the majority, I am assured), could possibly need to hold on to a person without actually throwing them in jail, but...
1. Playing word games like that is simply dishonest.
2. In a free society accountability starts the instant she is not free to go. Personally I'm thinking that accountability for a strip search should be pretty fucking rigorous. As in, you work for us so explain yourselves or collect your walking papers.
there were several flights diverted, a few terminal closures at airports, and elsewhere this past weekend. The media and Gov't played up this bullshit 'credible threat' for a few days and people panicked as planned.
This shit has happened every year since Nine Eleventy. Do you honestly think it'll be any different next September?
A terrorist would have to be epic stupid to try something on Paranoia Day. Yeah, fearmongering and propaganda.
I didn't panic. I just got enraged because petty tyrant Michael Bloomberg interreupted the Packers/Saints game to engage in his fear-mongering exercise.
Boy, she's pretty. Just had to get that off my chest. Thanks - I feel better.
She does kind of work.
There's something about her. Don't know what it is, but I like it.
Is that what they look like in Almania?
I may have to vacation on the Almanian coast next summer.
Me too
I've met a few Jewish girls who just er... do something for me.
great head...just dont mess w the hair!
All I see is Sarah Jessica Parker with darker hair.
+4 sluts
you mean before she totally morphed into dee snyder?
Those eyebrows, though . . . those bushy, bushy eyebrows. I fear they're a harbinger of what's going on down below . . .
"You understand why we have to do this, right?"
Yes, it is an attempt to train the American people to be compliant sheep who follow any orders given by their masters.
"You understand why we have to do this, right?"
Sorry, just gotta trot it out:
"Because you didn't do well in high school?"
+5
DID SOMEBODY SAY SHEEP!?
half-Jewish
Oy!
MMMMM, HYBRID VIGOR.
Why?
Why not?
Like the motto at Auschwitz: Hier ist keine warum. (Here there is no why.)
Chalk up another win for al-Qaeda.
No, chalk up another win for the anglo-american statists.
Next year, I will direct the State Security Agencies to harass and detain vacationing Asians and Caucasians only. I will not permit racial profiling....
Fair enough, but the a-a s's are just doing what a-Q was hoping they'd do.
This is the same tired bullshit we deal with every 9/11. It's a rote routine: 9/11 arrives, a "credible" threat emerges, the media gets worked into a tizzy, they try to infect the rest of us with their paranoia, and it all ends with several brown people being stripped search to make everyone feel that the government is proactive in stopping the threat. Wash, Rinse, Repeat every 9/11.
Along with a handful of Saudiis with box-cutters did the nasty deed meme.
Do you routinely refer to Jews as 'brown people'? Semites(which includes Jews and Arabs) are part of the overall caucasian breed of humanity.
And, while Ms. Hebshi had her day absolutely ruined, let's not forget that she was not the only person strip searched on Paranoia Day(I like that!).
From pornoscanners to Federal Groping, to strip searches, a whole lot of people felt Big Brother's cold hypoallergenically gloved fingers in places were they shouldn't be.
And most of them were done purely for show--because the US doesn't want to look like it's singling out Semites when searching for terrorists who have been overwhelmingly semitic.
At least Ms Hebshi fit the profile--most of the people walking to their seats funny didn't.
It is impossible for the FBI to know every American and their background. So sometimes they err on the side of safety. Considering there was an attempt bomb at this airport before it only makes sense that they were suspicious. If it was the people on the flight that sensed danger, well at least the plane wasn't hijacked like on 9/11. When I was growing up, we lived "better safe than sorry".
"So sometimes they err on the side of safety."
How many liberties are you willing to give up to "err on the side of safety"?
If you mean inconvenienced, then okay. Being held up at the airport for a few hours, and then released when everything checked out is not losing liberties. It is inconvenient, but don't blame the TSA, FBI, and other security forces. They are only acting to prevent another 9/11. Blame the terrorists that crashed the planes that day.
Inconvenienced? You call a strip search mere "inconvenience"? You call untested radiation machines that show details of genitalia inconvenience? You call having to be sexually molested to avoid the radiation machines mere inconvenience?
Maybe instead of overreacting now, the intelligence agencies should have listened to people like Susan Lindauer who did everything they possibly could to warn about 9/11 style attacks? How did they thank Susan Lindauer? By throwing her in jail.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/lindauer/
Dude, grey panther is obviously a sockpuppet in the tradition of Neil.
With this solid evidence it is obvious what must be done. We must take Grey Panther and strip search him. He must be handcuffed. We should ask him if he speaks English, because he might not. After all, it is only mere inconvienience. It is better to be safe than sorry.
Inconvenienced/Detained and stripped.
Tomato/Tomahto
They are only acting to prevent another 9/11. Blame the terrorists that crashed the planes that day.
No, silly, blame Canada.
pulled off her flight and held 4 FUCKING HOURS!!! Starting now, sit in a small room for 4 hours. It is not an "inconvenience". What if she missed an important meeting and lost a multimillion dollar contract. Still just an inconvenience? Since she's not a bomber/terrorist, FBI and HomSec clearly fucked up.
The Gray Pnthrr gets it. Nut-twisting and pussy-probing [excuse my Chicago "street lingo"] of the masses is the only way we can protect the rest of us....These programs need to be expanded to every bus stop and train station. Interstate border crossings should have screening stations -- internal passports will be next. What a jobs program is this!
When I was growing up, we lived "better safe than sorry".
You mean the early to mid 1800's?
GP is a satire troll. Do not feed.
He is just a gremlin. I'll make sure not to feed him after Midnight or get him wet.
Matey, I always arrr on the side of safety.
The panther is probably willing to give up lots of other people's liberties.
I asked him several times what was going on and he wouldn't answer me.
You were Flying While Brown.
Don't let it happen again.
AP - TSA Changes Policy on full body scanners, strip searches and child pat downs.
"After the recent congressional hearings, and at the behest of President Obama, we have performed a complete review of our security protocols. After the review, it became apparent that changes were needed. As such, we will no longer be using the nuddie scanner, child pat downs have been suspended, and our agents have been informed that strip searches will no longer be tollerated. We have also decided to expand our current policy requiring passengers to remove their shoes before going through security. Starting September 25th all passengers will be required to remove all clothing upon entering the security screening area and hand then over to security personel to be returned upon departure from their flight. We hope this change in policy will alleviate the concerns of the flying public, while at the same time allow us to secure our skys."
If brown skinned people have to be strip-searched for no reason, it's a small price to pay.
"[We] responded appropriately by following protocol and treating everyone involved with respect and dignity."
Complete BS. It is impossible to strip-search someone with respect and/or dignity.
STEVE SMITH AGREE. STEVE SMITH HAVE FOUND NO WAY TO STRIP SEARCH SOMEONE WITH DIGNITY. BUT HE ALWAYS RAPES THEM AFTERWARD WITH DIGNITY.
It is impossible to strip-search someone with respect and/or dignity.
Pinkies out?
"That's quite the impressive cock you've got there, sir. Makes you look...dignified!
explain ur turgidity sir
Would you like to retract the foreskin or shall I?
And may I suggest some enhancement pills that you may use at your leisure.
Check out the stark contrast between the comments here and the comments for the same article on fox news. Hardly unexpected but still quite sad.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011.....e/#comment
I knew I shouldn't have looked, but I did anyways.
The winner was "skeleton" saying, "Another case of 'If you don't like your stereotype, quit complaining and FIX IT."
Because, you know, a stereotype is completely the fault of the individual, and it is up to them individually to prove to everyone, in every interaction, that they do not conform to whatever you believe the applicable stereotype to be.
This attitude would have me out tranquilizing rednecks and fitting them with dentures.
And dressing them better.
We could just swap their clothing with that of gay men. Kill two stereotypes with one switch!
Whoa nelly. You could almost see the lip-foam come off the screen...
spewy 1 day ago
about time tsa and hls started taking these peopel to the sideline and checking them. This is what should have been happening for decades. Was she wearing a burka,. And i call total bull. half jew half moozi wth is that?
4 people liked this.
REAL AMERICANS *demand* arbitrary abuse of authority!
Whenever I think 'Real American' i either think of this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg ... or Eric Donderooooo.
Man, that was depressing.
Must... avoid... clicking on link... so I don't... ruin... my day.
My parents and brother watch Fox News religously, and listen to Rush Limbaugh. They are very Conservative, but they don't talk crazy shit like these Fox commenters. What is it about internet forums that brings out the full retard in people? Also, my mom hates that I am libertarian, and thinks that voting for Ron Paul is a waste of my vote. I still can't get her to see that libertarians want everything the GOP (says) it wants, only more so!
Well, what brings out the full retard in your mom?
Let's see.... Probably Obamacare, and the unquestionable need to support Israel at any cost. Yep, retard!
the hpv vaccine?
....Implemented by Liberal-Progressives.....
?earnmyvote 12 hours ago
These people are baiting and playing the system to break it down, and we won't let it happen! You want to fly on 9/11, dress and act appropriately. If not, then take a flight back to where you came from!
? jimmyjames66 11 hours ago in reply to earnmyvote
she was from suburban Ohio, dummy...
(Un)fortunately Fox comments now live on a server that is blocked at work. I used to love reading them for a good laugh, I can only imagine some of the greatness going on with this story.
When I was growing up, we lived "better safe than sorry".
That's funny; when I was growing up, this sort of moronic bullshit was inconceivable.
When I was growing up, we answered busybodies with "its a free country, ain't it?"
Not so much anymore.
....and the answer is, "not any more."
Being held up at the airport for a few hours, and then released when everything checked out is not losing liberties.
Fuck you.
this
Being held locked up at the airport holding cell for a few hoursdays/weeks/months/years, and then released when everything checked out is not losing liberties.
Dickhead.
Ah, but those who pine for the monopolization of the administration of justice get their just deserts as the judiciary has long ago held that as long as there is a post-deprivational remedy, the deprivation, in and of itself, is kosher.
Way to many "Priv"s for my taste.
Um, it's dep[PRIV]ation.
I asked him several times what was going on and he wouldn't answer me. It was like I was invisible. I felt so helpless and shocked. I was being treated like a criminal.
Life in the US has become something out of a Kafka novel.
definitely becoming SSSA-ish.
"You understand why we have to do this, right? It's for our own protection,"
Officer safety is our primary concern. STOP RESISTING!
I think she meant to say, "It's for everyone else's safety, Fuck you". I think.
"Why Was Shoshana Hebshi Cuffed and Strip-Searched on 9/11?"
BECAUSE WE CAN.
You understand why we have to do this, right? It's for our own protection
The jackboot probably said that in reference to the latex gloves he/she/it was putting on at the time.
Its a shame more people don't know their rights. She should have been demanding a lawyer before she even got off the plane, and refused to do or say anything until said lawyer arrived and began to chew large bloody chunks out of all involved.
Yeah, but "officers of the court" are trained to jerk off to legal positivism and "the police power" and such.
Lawyers are also trained to be genuflectional; first and foremost, to the courts and then to the Ruling Class, i.e., those parties set forth in Codevilla's piece in The American Spectator.
There's probably a giant terrorism-related loophole to that whole "the accused have certain rights" deal.
Shit, Obama would just have to declare her an enemy combatant and drone her ass from 30,000 feet, since he claims the power to do that.
Fuck, if you think of it like that, she's lucky she wasn't 'renditioned'.
I sympathize: I am half-Mexican, half-Catholic.
I'm half-German, half-Polish. Self-abuse is my middle name.
I see what you did there.
I lol'ed
Half Scottish, half Jewish. No time for further comment, I'm back to drinking and counting my money.
I knew a girl who claimed to be "one third cherokee." I asked her if she had three parents, and she didn't get the joke. Then I asked her if the fourth third was Polish.
She didn't get that one either, but by this time knew enough to be pissed off.
Maybe she was 11/32 cherokee and just rounded to avoid confusing the innumerate.
I'm half Caucasian and half Buddhist. Wait, I'm all Caucasian and all Buddhist, that makes 200%. Can I do that? Is that being greedy of me?
Mike,
If you would like more information from the Airport Authority, all you have to do is call or email. It's awfully disingenuous for you to say what we will/won't say when you haven't given us the opportunity.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Scott Wintner
Communications
Wayne County Airport Authority
Looks as if Riggs did report the Wayne County Airport Authority "response."
But perhaps the Wayne County Airport Authority doesn't understand the difference between "responded" and responded.
He's not reporting the news, but reporting on it; but no matter. Here you go, Scott:
"But if everyone was being treated with respect and dignity, why were Hebshi and the two Indian men handcuffed and strip-searched, while every other passenger on the flight was moved from the plane to the facility by bus, without cuffs, and without strip searches?"
What's the airport's official response?
Precisely -- If that really were Wintner, why wouldn't he just post something trying to bust Riggs' chops instead of just posting a response?
...why would he...
Jesus -- that was all screwed up.
Let me try again:
If that really were Wintner, why would he post what he did instead of just posting a response?
Again, I'm going to give the WCAA and their PR staff the benefit of the doubt and assume this was a spoofer.
Have you been not drinking on the job again?
Precise(hic)ly.
No spoofer... this is the "real" Wintner, spokesperson for WCAA. And, my previous post was sincere -- Riggs could have called or emailed, but simply posted that "the Detroit Airport Won't Say" (despite the fact that everything I'm about to explain below was already published in the press).
The three individuals who were detained, searched and questioned (the latter by the FBI) were each identified by the airline flight crew for suspicious activity onboard. WCAA Police received communication from the airline with each of these three individual's names and seat numbers. On three separate occasions (twice enroute, once upon landing) the crew confirmed what they believed was a significant threat. WCAA PD responded accordingly.
We're only as good as the information we get from inside the plane.
Yeah I'm pretty sure I don't want to get on the Gestapo's list of suspects. Thanks though! Say, are the strip searches complimentary, or do we pay for the privilege? At least buy us dinner first.
Their is a lady who was literally asked to pay for the hospital bill for a cavity search.
Dear Scott Wintner-
Eat shit and die, you goose-stepping hick.
I don't think that's the real Wintner. It would be awfully disingenuous to post that in the thread rather than contacting Riggs directly. Doesn't seem like a very professional thing to do. On the other hand, I've had no direct dealings with the Wayne County Airport Authority, so I can't comment on their professionalism.
If somebody is spoofing Wintner, he did an admirable job of capturing the sniffy, petulant tone of an officious nanny unaccustomed to having his authority questioned.
There are so many mysteries around 9/11 that are still uncertain and solved. This one is just another example of this. We need to know the truth.
We are getting closer and closer to a Soviet-style Gulag. And many of the same kind of people are involved in setting up our Gulag.
Stalin's Jews
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl.....99,00.html
"'You understand why we have to do this, right? It's for our own protection,' she told me."
Sounds like the last words the European Jews heard before they were led to the "showers."
Disgusting!
Half Jewish half Arab -- that is reason enough for many people. Too sad! I hope she can sue the airline as well as the passengers who reported her. I suspect they just thought it to be a good prank.
I'm white, born and raised in U.S. and I just want to say: These kinds of stories make me want to leave the US.
Every American should be boycotting airlines, yet they continue to board these planes, even allowing TSA agents assault their children.
This stuff starts out with the so-called "enemy" and then it has a way of spreading to everyone else. We are moving towards a Hitler model. This time, instead of Jews, Gypsies, Mentally retarded, and socialists getting it, it will be Muslims, critics of US foreign policy lies, constitutionalists, and anyone who challenges the status quo.
It is already here folks. The stories like this one are on a daily basis, they include all the raids and breaking down of doors, police shooting unarmed people, etc.
Boycott the Airlines.
only use them if it is an extreme emergency.
This took a worse turn when the Underware bomber was ALLOWED to board the airline in Amsterdam WITHOUT a passport, which was reported by Kurt and Lori Haskell who witnessed it. The TSA screeners were all ready to go, they just needed a good reason to push them on the American people. Chertoff gained millions from this..total conflict of interest.
Please Boycott.
Nobody is ever 100% safe. I am so sick of all these Americans who are scared of everything...You know the ones: they speak of government being too big, yet support the militaristic style of the US without questioning any of it.
Look at her. That's why she was detained and strip searched.
Same as the two Indians, unless they were wearing warbonnets and moccasins.
It is appalling that this would happen to any American citizen. What else can I say.