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Civil Liberties

A Jewish Case for Mel Gibson

If Roman Polanski and Sean Penn can find work in Hollywood, why not Mel?

David Harsanyi | 9.14.2011 10:30 AM

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It seems that we American Jews have a sacred duty. It has nothing to do with skullcaps or boiling a goat in its mother's milk. No. It is our obligation to be perpetually offended and hypersensitive, lest something terrible happen.

So naturally, when former movie star and director Mel Gibson announced that he will be involved in producing a movie about the life of Jewish icon Judas Maccabaeus, community indignation was ramped up. God knows, Gibson had already declared that Jews had started "all wars," during a DUI arrest a couple of years back. He later apologized, calling it "a moment of insanity" and a "public humiliation on a global scale." But surely, a person doesn't spontaneously break into Jew-baiting unless there is some underlying animosity. When you're on the back end of a two-day bender, does it ever occur to you to harangue members of the Greek Orthodox Church? I thought not.

But if there's anything more irritating than listening to a slightly insane and very angry celebrity who is stupid drunk, it's listening to self-appointed Jewish leaders be offended for me.

The media rushed to make sense of this peculiar movie project by, as they always do, seeking out professionally aggrieved Jews, such as Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, who explained: "Casting him as a director or perhaps as the star of (a film about Judas Maccabaeus) is like casting (Bernie) Madoff to be the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission or a white supremacist as trying to portray Martin Luther King Jr. It's simply an insult to Jews."

Then there was the Anti-Defamation League's Abe Foxman, who once called Gibson "the portrait of an anti-Semite" and who is the leading voice of the distressed American Jew—and don't we suffer! He claimed that seeing as Gibson's "previous attempt to bring biblical history to life on the screen (with The Passion of The Christ) was marred by anti-Semitism," this one has no shot.

Well, there are certainly plenty of places in the world to find dangerous, theologically embedded anti-Semitism—with Beverly Hills being low on the list. And sure, Gibson's words were ugly. But if a Polish director who drugged and sexually assaulted a 13-year-old can cast stars in his films, find funding, and win Oscars, why not Mel? If Jeff Spicoli can buddy up with a fleshy two-bit dictator and continue to find work, why not Mel? If Al Sharpton—a man whose vile and consequential anti-Semitism has incited violence, destruction, and social unrest—has a TV show funded by NBC, why not Mel?

And as strange as it seems, artistically speaking, the Jews could use Gibson on this one. The story of Hanukkah isn't only the tale of miraculous candles and Christmas envy, you know. It's about slaying unarmed Hellenistic interlopers and taking names (afterward). It is about populist Jewish rebellion, the unsheathing of theocratic swords and the struggle for freedom (Jewish freedom, anyway). Surely, this kind of material can't be entrusted to some hand-wringing, weak-kneed director who will slather his Jewish liberal sensibilities all over history. Have you seen Steven Spielberg's Munich? No, we need crazy on this.

Charles Dickens, Edmund Burke, Virginia Woolf, and Edgar Degas, to name very few, had some bad words for the Jews on occasion. But we can put these things in perspective. You can love the art (or whatever this movie will be classified as) and believe that the creator might be in need of psychiatric help or even that he might just be a bad guy. It doesn't always diminish the art. There are limits, of course, but if I stopped watching actors and directors who spewed absurdity, I would have, for instance, missed the entire Jason Bourne series.

Actually, I would have missed a lifetime of popular culture and art.

David Harsanyi is a columnist at
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  1. Spencer   14 years ago

    We should always separate art from the artist.

    1. JW   14 years ago

      I'm perfectly happy to do that, right up to the point where they open their big, fat mouth.

      Entertain me, entertainer. If I want shallow political opinions, I'll go to a bar.

      1. {?}   14 years ago

        If I want shallow political opinions, I'll go to a bar blog.

        That's right! Entertainers, unlike blog commentators, are not entitled to their opinions!

        1. .   14 years ago

          Only after you start paying commenters for their internet prose will you be in a position to complain about their pontification.

  2. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

    Is Mel Gibson a thing anymore? I thought once he proved South Park correct on his craziness, we could all move on.

    1. Drake   14 years ago

      My wife and I watched "Edge of Darkness" on HBO - as soon as it was over I said "damn, I forgot how good he is." He pulled off a believable character dealing with the loss of a child.

  3. John   14 years ago

    What should it matter? Gibson is a talented film maker. I bet his version of the Maccabees will kick ass. I love biblical epics and wish Hollywood would start making them again.

    1. Art-P.O.G.   14 years ago

      I agree. I liked Passion of the Christ, Apocalypto and The Beaver. So late Gibson has been plenty enjoyable.

      I'm not Jewish, but I'll play my own race card and I say I can relate to Harsanyi on this.

      1. Old Soldier   14 years ago

        A Mel Gibson film about Judas Maccabaeus? I'll be there on opening day.

        1. AlmightyJB   14 years ago

          Woed. I hope Christopher Lee plays Judas.

          1. AlmightyJB   14 years ago

            and word.

    2. Realist   14 years ago

      "I love biblical epics and wish Hollywood would start making them again."
      That's because you're a thumper.

      1. John   14 years ago

        That is because I am not an ignorant philistine like you are.

        1. Realist   14 years ago

          But you are a stupid fuck!

          1. John   14 years ago

            And you are an uneducated, uncultured philistine and an embarrassment to Western culture.

            1. Not far enough   14 years ago

              Just Western culture? Realist is an embarrassment to any culture.

      2. John   14 years ago

        Seriously, is it possible for you to be more of an ignorant fuck even if you tried?

        1. Realist   14 years ago

          You believe in a sky daddy and you call me an ignorant fuck?
          What does your sky dady think about the word FUCK???

          1. Realist   14 years ago

            ...or sky daddy....same stupid fair tale shit!

            1. Art-P.O.G.   14 years ago

              To answer your question, John: I hope not. Also, 'Realist', I know many great people who are atheists, but you just seem like a dick.

          2. John   14 years ago

            If you can't appreciate the literay value of the bible, you are an ignorant fuck. It has nothing to do with belief. I am not a Hindu, but I can still appreciate the Bhagavad Gita as art. Same principle here.

            Seriously, when you wake up in the morning do you have any idea what an ignorant, uncultured, uneducated fuck you are? The worse snake handling, faith healing fundie, probably has better cultural awareness and appreciation than you do. You are just a pathetic dolt.

            1. Zuo   14 years ago

              +1

              You are a lying hypocrit if you like made up shit like LOTR and Star Wars (I do), and then act like a little fag asshole when it comes to similar stories that come from religious literature.

            2. Old Soldier   14 years ago

              The Bible is also one of the most valuable historical resources we have. Believe the religious stuff or not - much of the history has been proven.

              Many a lazy archeologist made a big name for himself in the 20th Century by reading the Old Testament and digging where it says ancient battles took place or cities were supposedly existed.

              1. James   14 years ago

                IIRC, a British officer serving in Palestine was able to outflank an enemy and win a battle based on a hidden road described in the Bible. I can't recall any specifics. I saw it on the History Channel.

            3. Realist   14 years ago

              You better settle down before you blow a blood vessel and make me happy!

      3. Joshua Corning   14 years ago

        That's because you're a thumper.

        I am an atheist and I would go see a Gibson made blood and guts biblical epic any day of the week.

        I would also see a movie made by Gibson about the conquest of Mecca by Mohammad....in fact come to think of it this hypothetical movie MUST be made.

        Also if Gibson does not make it Ridley Scott should.

        1. John   14 years ago

          Sadly they would never do it. But I bet Gibson could make one hell of a Mohammad biopic.

        2. Zuo   14 years ago

          DUDE. DUDE.

          Mel Gibson has attained the perfect amount of insanity to portray Muhammed. The "night trip" to Jerusalem, the cave sessions where he got his prophecies. The angry religious fervor. The rallying of his fanatics to battle. Zomg.

          1. Old Soldier   14 years ago

            Wow would that be a fun watch - raped 9-year-olds, massacred cities, captives sold into slavery... Not sure how you put a happy ending on it.

          2. John   14 years ago

            That would be incredible.

            1. AblueSilkworm   14 years ago

              I would pawn my Fountain of Orphan's Tears to finance this.

              1. Steven   14 years ago

                Sip, sip, sippin' on orphan tears

        3. R   14 years ago

          I don't think they (or anyone else) would touch a biopic of Muhammad. Not unless they have a death wish, that is.

        4. Iska Waran   14 years ago

          I would suggest Matt Damn or Sean Penn to play the ol' pedophile himself.

      4. cynical   14 years ago

        Not really, you don't have to believe in the Bible to recognize that some of its storylines are movie-worthy.

    3. Karl   14 years ago

      "Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but the son of a bitch knows story structure!"

  4. Colin   14 years ago

    Charles Dickens, Edmund Burke, Virginia Woolf, and Edgar Degas, to name very few, had some bad words for the Jews on occasion.

    Actually it's difficult to find a pre-WWII writer who wrote about the Jews in a positive light. Off the top of my head, I can think only of Boccaccio and Potocki.

    1. sarcasmic   14 years ago

      Anti-semitism was quite fashionable until some German dude took it too far.

      1. O2   14 years ago

        thats just koch fearmongering to foam the wingnutz

        1. teh rael o2   14 years ago

          ^spoof failz^

          1. teh rael o2   14 years ago

            cuz i really likes teh JOOOS!!

            1. o2 reelz   14 years ago

              teh awsum spuuf thred!11!!

    2. Abersouth   14 years ago

      Nietztche had positive things to say about Jewish persons.

      1. Joshua Corning   14 years ago

        How did Marx feel about em'?

      2. PIRS   14 years ago

        I think I read somewhere that it was actually his sister who was the antisemite and edited his papers after he went into the political prison - umhmm - excuse me - umhmm - I mean mental health facility. He himself may have criticized Judaism as a religion - but he also criticized Christianity as a religion. He had more respect in general for pagan religions than in any Abrahamic religion.

        1. Eduard van Haalen   14 years ago

          His defenders basically say, "it's OK because he only denounced Judaism in order to get at his real target: Christianity." Oh, that's all right, then!

          1. AblueSilkworm   14 years ago

            Well, actually, yes. Yes it is. It means it is likely that he had a problem with the religious tradition, and not with Jews "racially". Am I wrong about that?

            1. Steven   14 years ago

              Nietzsche didn't espouse any racialist theories. He had problems with the moral ideas of most religions and the values that were dominant within many cultures, but those were all critiques against ideas, not against biology. I think he did maintain sexist beliefs, just not racialist beliefs.

  5. pgt   14 years ago

    like casting (Bernie) Madoff to be the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission
    Is that a type casting problem?

    1. NeonCat   14 years ago

      Not a crazy idea, FDR appointed (reputedly crooked) Joseph Kennedy to head the SEC because "Takes one to catch one".

    2. Tulpa   14 years ago

      I don't know what the big deal is -- they cast Anthony Hopkins as a cannibalistic serial killer despite rumors that he is prejudiced against cannibals.

      1. newshutz   14 years ago

        and prejudiced serial killers

        1. newshutz   14 years ago

          prejudiced against serial killers

          preview, how does that work?

  6. Scruffy Nerfherder   14 years ago

    Yeah, it's not like it was bigot bigotry or anything like that.

    1. WTF   14 years ago

      They were not unresponsive.

  7. MiNGe   14 years ago

    MNG, Mel N. Gibson? Coincidence? I think not....

  8. PIRS   14 years ago

    "When you're on the back end of a two-day bender, does it ever occur to you to harangue members of the Greek Orthodox Church? I thought not."

    This comment is in no way intended to defend Gibson's past actions but if a director had been harangued by self-appointed leaders of the Greek-Orthodox church who accused him of being an anti-Greek bigot because of a movie he wrote and directed about the death of Socrates that might get under his skin and he might blurt out some anti-Greek statement if drunk.

    1. sarcasmic   14 years ago

      They wanted twelve bucks for the lamb kabob at the Greek Festival this year.
      Twelve fucking dollars!
      Damn gouging Greek-Orthodox bastards!
      I settled for a damn gyro.
      Twelve bucks!?!
      Fuckers.

    2. Art-P.O.G.   14 years ago

      It's deeper than that. I think he internalized some of the stuff his dad probably told him when he was growing up, but so? I think he genuinely regrets much of the stuff he's said, and it's not like he's the only person who's ever had to deal with loathsome ideas kicking around in his head. It's not like he raped or killed anybody. Hell, his sort of 'demons' are very common.

      1. k2000k   14 years ago

        Those perputal offeendes never consider that perhaps this movie mel is making is an apology of sorts to the Jewish people.

        1. Art-P.O.G.   14 years ago

          Exactly. Also, if critics paid close enough attention to The Beaver...

        2. Restoras   14 years ago

          Exactly from me as well.

      2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        He's an alcoholic. They aren't known for their gentility, generally speaking.

        1. Isaac Bartram   14 years ago

          I met a woman who worked for a fencing company that built a fence on Mel Gibson's property in Connecticutt in the early 90s. They were pretty big and used to get all the celebrity properties.

          She said that he and his wife were really nice and not at all snobbish*. Martha Stewart, on the other hand is a total bitch.

          *Of course, Mel might have gotten that from living in Australia.

          1. jtuf   14 years ago

            Connecticut has noteworthy residents? I thought it was just part of the wilderness between New York City and New Hampshire.

          2. jtuf   14 years ago

            From Stepford Wives

            Claire Wellington: I asked myself, "Where would people never notice a town full of robots?"
            [gasps]
            Claire Wellington: Connecticut.

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327162/quotes

      3. dakotian   14 years ago

        When they pulled Mel from Hangover 2 someone made the point (can't remember were I saw it) that they did not want a cameo by a suspected racist but the producers had no problem with Mike Tyson, a CONVICTED rapist, having a cameo.

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          Yes, we really might want to bring back some shunning. The fact that Tyson got out after three years for rape, then gets media time as a convicted rapist. . .well, something's not quite right about that.

          1. Whoopi Goldberg   14 years ago

            I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like "You know what this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail I'm not staying, so that's why he left.

            1. dakotian   14 years ago

              Not sure what rape-rape means but Tyson was convicted of one count of rape and two counts deviate sexual conduct. Unless the information on the website that I just goggled is old, Tyson is a convicted felon.

              1. PIRS   14 years ago

                Dakotian, that is a reference to Whoopi Goldberg's pathetic defense of Roman Polanski.

                1. Dakotian   14 years ago

                  Ok, I did not catch the sarcasim. I forgot about the attempts at justification.
                  Thanks PIRS.

                  1. PIRS   14 years ago

                    No problem, sometimes it is hard to catch in the written word.

        2. Malvolio   14 years ago

          When they pulled Mel from Hangover 2 someone made the point

          That was me!

    3. Militant Atheist   14 years ago

      Socrates is a myth! There is no proof Socrates ever even existed! He was constructed by the Greek colonial government to help prevent uprisings by the followers of Plato!

  9. Pain   14 years ago

    As if Hollywood isn't littered with people with crazy ideas about the world.

    It's not like he's the leader of a political movement.

  10. Warty   14 years ago

    Roman Polanski, who drugged and sexually assaulted a 13-year-old

    He raped her. Why choose the softer term sexually assaulted?

    1. WTF   14 years ago

      Actually, he ass-raped her. Let's not pull any punches.

      1. Warty   14 years ago

        Yeah. Any mention of Roman Polanski's name should be of this form: "Roman Polanski, who drugged a 13-year old girl and anally raped her..."

        1. Ted S.   14 years ago

          As I wrote in February,

          I'm beginning to think more and more that Elia Kazan shouldn't have named Communists; he should have raped girls.

          1. John   14 years ago

            +1000 Ted.

        2. Zuo   14 years ago

          "roman polanski, who forcibly drugged and viciously ass raped a helpless 13 year old little girl..."

      2. sarcasmic   14 years ago

        Which sounds worse, ass-raped or sodomized?

        1. John   14 years ago

          Ass Raped.

        2. Warty   14 years ago

          I think anally raped is the worst.

          1. k2000k   14 years ago

            Anally sodomized rape. Redundant I know, but the vileness of that man neesd to be firmented.

            1. Roman Polanski   14 years ago

              You guys have no idea what you are missing.

              1. dunphy   14 years ago

                actually, he also DRUGGED her first.

                let's also remember gibson's worst ACTUAL crime iirc was DUI, and some alleged (not particulary egregious iirc) domestic violence shit.

                yes, he said some stupid bigoted things while drunk.

                otoh, he called a cop "sugar tits" which should get him reason points (tm)

              2. dunphy   14 years ago

                don't forget he drugged her first, too

      3. whoopi!   14 years ago

        well to be fair, it wasn't 'ass rape' ass rape...

        1. Aimeng   14 years ago

          Please refer to http://www.aimengcrystal.com

      4. Ice Nine   14 years ago

        Wait, Polanski pulled?

    2. Warty   14 years ago

      Oh yeah, TRIGGER ALERT!!!!

    3. Big Ben   14 years ago

      Poor guys rape. We sexually assault.

  11. Montani Semper Liberi   14 years ago

    So if Mel Gibson is directing, I'm assuming this will be Braveheart set in ancient Israel. Kind of like how The Patriot was just Braveheart set during the American Revolution. I'll probably go see it.

    1. Rev. Blue Moon   14 years ago

      That's what I was thinking. William Wallace/Francis Marion as Judas Maccabeus is going to kick ass.

      1. WTF   14 years ago

        I'd go see it.

      2. Rev. Blue Moon   14 years ago

        Oh, and as a member of the Chosen People, I therefore have carte blanche (ironic, no?) to forgive Gibson and tell the Rabbi that Rosh Hashanah is coming up, and acting like a judgmental ass is definitely a "bad deed".

        1. WTF   14 years ago

          Rosh Hashanah is coming up, and acting like a judgmental ass is definitely a "bad deed".

          I'm keeping this one in my back pocket for future use.

    2. R C Dean   14 years ago

      After Braveheart and Patriot, I figured Gibson just hated British people. I had no idea he hated Jews (too).

      1. No True Scotsman   14 years ago

        R C,

        Gibson doesn't hate all British people, just the English.

      2. WTF   14 years ago

        Actually, if he is making a movie about Judas Maccabaeus, I guess he also hates the Seleucid Empire.

        1. Tulpa   14 years ago

          "No Jews or Dogs Allowed." Why do all the shops say, "No Jews Allowed"?

          --Oh, that. "Not Allowed" signs are the latest trend! The other day, I was in a shop with my friend the kangaroo, but their sign said, "No Kangaroos Allowed," and I said to my friend, "Well, what can I do? They don't allow kangaroos."

          Why doesn't our shop have a "Not Allowed" sign?

          -- Well, tomorrow, we'll put one up. We won't let in anything we don't like. What don't you like?

          Spiders.

          -- Good. I don't like Visigoths. Tomorrow, we'll get sign: "No Spiders or Visigoths Allowed."

    3. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

      "Kind of like how The Patriot was just Braveheart set during the American Revolution."

      Gasp*chortle...hurl...yack...blaurgh!

      Braveheart was an unprovoked attack on Scottishness. The Patriot was simply a widening of that war to America.

      Check out Rob Roy,instead.

  12. affenkopf   14 years ago

    Gibson making a film about a religious fundamentalist who fought against western civilisation? Why am I not supriesed (obligatory Hitchens)

    1. Heroic Mulatto   14 years ago

      Let's be fair, the Hellenistic Selecuids weren't all sweetness and light. Their idea of "winning hearts and minds," were to defile the Jews' holy places with pig sacrifices and ban the circumcised from all that public Greek nudity that was going on (i.e. everyday life.)

      1. Tulpa   14 years ago

        They gave out free gym memberships, though.

        1. jtuf   14 years ago

          The JCC is the best of both worlds.

    2. torsten husvedt   14 years ago

      Thank you

  13. Old Mexican   14 years ago

    But if there's anything more irritating than listening to a slightly insane and very angry celebrity who is stupid drunk, it's listening to self-appointed Jewish leaders be offended for me.

    Big contrast between individualism and collectivism:

    A single person can make an ass of himself by speaking his mind, which only affect him; a group of sanctimonius busybodies speak their mind, purport to speak for a greater number, make asses of themselves and everybody else in the process.

  14. Randy   14 years ago

    When you're on the back end of a two-day bender, does it ever occur to you to harangue members of the Greek Orthodox Church? I thought not.

    Speak for yourself, Harsanyi!

    1. Warty   14 years ago

      "All the wars in the world are caused by Russians!"

      Actually, that sounds a little less insane.

  15. jtuf   14 years ago

    And sure, Gibson's words were ugly. But if a Polish director who drugged and sexually assaulted a 13-year-old can cast stars in his films, find funding, and win Oscars, why not Mel? If Jeff Spicoli can buddy up with a fleshy two-bit dictator and continue to find work, why not Mel? If Al Sharpton?a man whose vile and consequential anti-Semitism has incited violence, destruction, and social unrest?has a TV show funded by NBC, why not Mel?

    The first two examples don't have anything to do with the missions of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Anti-Defamation League. The last example is a prominent Dem.

    1. Rev. Blue Moon   14 years ago

      Polanski may or may not be Jewish, so that is relevant. Sean Penn also may or may not be Jewish. If it is not the "mission" of the ADL to police up The People, then it shouldn't be speaking on behalf of The People.

    2. Tulpa   14 years ago

      And don't forget about Mel Brooks and Jerry Seinfeld's Jew-baiting. How those guys can show their face in polite company is beyond me.

      1. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

        "And don't forget about Mel Brooks and Jerry Seinfeld's Jew-baiting. How those guys can show their face in polite company is beyond me."

        If life is movie, I am certain Mel Brooks has written the script.

        Him and Stephen King - a collaborative effort.

  16. Fluffy   14 years ago

    Here's what I don't get.

    Say I spend a decade or two doing a Michael Richards impersonation and running around calling people niggers.

    But then I get bored with that and make a movie about how Malcolm X was really cool and fucked people up with his superpowers and heat vision and shit.

    I don't understand how that's "an insult" to blacks.

    It was "an insult" to Jews when Gibson was calling them names. Making a movie about how some historical Jews were badasses is not "an insult". In fact, it sounds more like "I take those other insults back. See?"

    1. John   14 years ago

      yeah. Suppose what Gibson said was a crime. And part of his sentence was public service. Wouldn't making such a movie fulfill the service requirement? Isn't making a movie showing Jews in a good light one good way Gibson can make up for what he said?

      1. WTF   14 years ago

        Exactly - I would think they would be happy to have someone with Mel Gibson's film making talent doing a movie about Judas Maccabaeus.

        1. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

          "I would think they would be happy to have someone with Mel Gibson's film making talent doing a movie about Judas Maccabaeus."

          Not if he uses that Randall Wallace guy for a director again - Eeeegad! Phooey! Hurl...

    2. Heroic Mulatto   14 years ago

      Making a movie about how some historical Jews were badasses is not "an insult".

      It could be if said movie insinuates that those historical events were just a prophesied prelude to that other rebel against Greco-Roman occupation, the "messiah" that Gibson believes to the true one and Jews don't.

      1. John   14 years ago

        Then he is doing a Christian take on the Old Testament. So what?

        1. Heroic Mulatto   14 years ago

          Well, I, for one, prefer autobiographies to unauthorized biographies.

        2. Heroic Mulatto   14 years ago

          Then he is doing a Christian take on the Old Testament. So what?

          No, not just a Christian take, but a replacement theology take, which most Jews would find highly offensive. Not hard to see why.

          Of course, Gibson has every right to believe in replacement theology and make his movies from that interpretation, just as the Jewish community has a right not to like his interpretation of their stories.

      2. Tulpa   14 years ago

        Jesus was most definitely not a rebel, at least not in a military/political sense. (assuming he existed, blah blah)

        1. Heroic Mulatto   14 years ago

          Care to elaborate, Tulpa? I would argue that the "Render unto Caesar..." parable alone is proof enough of Jesus' radical, at the time, views on the Roman occupation.

          Granted, he was far from being a Sicarius, but he was still considered a large enough threat for the Romans to sentence him to death.

          1. neoteny   14 years ago

            He had a radical enough message: "love thy neighbor". They nailed him to the wood for it, too.

        2. jtuf   14 years ago

          I heard cleric interpret the Turn the Other Cheek Sermon as instructions for for civil disobedience.

        3. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

          ...not to send peace but a sword...

      3. Rhymes With Right   14 years ago

        In other words, you object to Christianity and its use of the Old Testament.

    3. jtuf   14 years ago

      Today's Liberal Jews are very uncomfortable at being portrayed as badasses.

  17. me/dwc   14 years ago

    You know, the world is filled with a bunch of PC, self righteous, hang wringing hypocrites. We don't have to let them dictate the agenda for all of the rest of us. I like and admire Mel Gibson. Sure, he is a stupid asshole on occasion. Who isn't? I certainly am at times. Do we really need to judge people at their worst. Is it our mistakes which are supposed to define us. I seriously doubt that Mel actually hates Jewish people. I would bet dimes to dollars that he has many Jewish friends who love him and have already forgiven him for being an idiot on occasion.

    1. Art-P.O.G.   14 years ago

      Seconded.

    2. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

      In defense of celebutards (and to induce vomiting), the lives of celebutards are far more under the microscope than the lives of ordinary, productive, well-adjusted, non-drug addicted, generally law-abiding people's lives are.

  18. I, Kahn O'Clast   14 years ago

    Or maybe this is really an anti-Semitic plot ... Say the film was going to be made anyway so Mel decides to direct it thus decreasing the audience for a movie about a Jewish hero.....

  19. Gary   14 years ago

    Well, more to the point, 1st and 2nd Maccabees (which I assume this movie is based on) are not canonical works in Judaism (or Protestantism for that matter). They are canonical in Catholicism though. That is the important context that I think is missing here.

    1. Tulpa   14 years ago

      They were canonical in first century AD Judaism, and were part of the Septuagint. Second century rabbis excised them because the Romans come to the rescue in part of the first book.

  20. The Great White Indian   14 years ago

    He called the cop "sugar tits"

    No amount of movies portraying jews in positive light can make up that.

    1. John   14 years ago

      You say that like it is a bad thing.

      1. dunphy   14 years ago

        hey, i thought the sugar tits thing was awesome.

    2. Joshua Corning   14 years ago

      He is Australian...that is how all Australian men greet women....

      Not even a joke by the way.

      1. Isaac Bartram   14 years ago

        Actually in spite of living in Australia, I dont's think he ever became a citizen.

        According to Wikipedia (for what that's worth) he is a dual American and Irish citizen.

        And he looks positively sane next to his old man.

      2. Malvolio   14 years ago

        He is not Australian. He spent his teenage years in Australia (which is why he can fake the accent well) but he was born in Peekskill, NY. He's no more Australian than Obama is Indonesian.

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          He's American, but I thought he'd spent more time in Australia. Huh.

          Most of AC/DC, incidentally, are/were native Scots. I'm detecting a pattern here.

          1. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

            "Most of AC/DC, incidentally, are/were native Scots. I'm detecting a pattern here."

            Huh?

          2. Not So Slim Jim   14 years ago

            Don't forget Russell Crowe, who's from New Zealand but got his start in the Aussie film industry. Even our Prime Minister was born overseas - in Wales, I believe. That pattern is a well established fact in Australia (pronounced Ostraya by us locals).

  21. Tulpa   14 years ago

    Kind of rich, considering the 2nd century Jews booted the books of Maccabees out of their scriptures for being excessively pro-Roman.

    1. Joshua Corning   14 years ago

      They earned it.

      First the Romans Kill Christ then when teh Jesus gets big and the Romans become christian they pin the murder on the Jews.

      I would be like "WTF man?!?!"

      1. cynical   14 years ago

        Eh. To me, it's like arguing about whether the Democratic or Republican establishment is a bigger arsehole to Ron Paul.

  22. Joshua Corning   14 years ago

    I am pretty sure 99% of Hollywood hates me because of my political ideology...

    ..And one can find mass graves world wide filled with the bodies of poeple who had similar beliefs.

    Why are the Jews so very special when it comes to derogatory remarks?

    1. jtuf   14 years ago

      Among the many Jewish nonprofits, there are a few that focus on eliminating antisemitism. Just like Blacks have the NAACP. I don't see any problem with the ADL having that focus.

    2. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

      Victimhood is an industry.

      Associating with that industry is a fashion statement.

      So:

      Sharpton/ADL/CAIR/you-name-it: Merchants of Victimhood

      Celebutards: Groupies of the Merchants of Victimhood

  23. Sams   14 years ago

    I never saw how the ''Passion of Christ'' was anti-semitic ... it is not like the Jews didn't treat Jesus badly.

    Or is it Gibson sin to point to the actions of Jews ? Kill the messenger it seems to me.

    1. jtuf   14 years ago

      The sorry line of the Passion of Christ is straightforward. An innocent Jew dies an excruciatingly painful death so that everyone else can be absolved of their sins. It sounds like a great deal, unless you're the Jew.

  24. Alissa   14 years ago

    I still think he is vile. And Al Sharpton too. We seem to forget and move in the USA. Might be a good thing actually. If not, we'd still hate Japan.

  25. db   14 years ago

    Mel Gibson:

    "I'm not just a spokesman for Hair Club for Men...I'm a member."

  26. MCab   14 years ago

    He nailed it about Munich. Would have been a great movie without the characters having second thoughts about killing Arab terrorists. Also, I could have done without the awkward sex scenes that made Watchmen's "Hallelujah" scene seem tame.

    No mention of "We Were Soldiers," which differed from his other movies by humanizing the antagonists.

    1. Eduard van Haalen   14 years ago

      If you're being oppressed by the Selucids, who do you want to fight for you - the Maccabees, or some liberal Jew like Woody Allen?

  27. Tex   14 years ago

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  28. Tex   14 years ago

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  29. Tex   14 years ago

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  30. Rhymes With Right   14 years ago

    There is another angle to this one that I think the Jewish community is ignoring. For Catholics, the story of the Maccabees is a part of their Scripture. Is it really the position of the Jewish community that a Catholic can't make a film about a part of his religion without Jewish permission? Would Jewish groups stand by without comment if Christian groups tried to stop a Jewish filmmaker from making a movie about part of the OT?

  31. jtuf   14 years ago

    And as strange as it seems, artistically speaking, the Jews could use Gibson on this one. The story of Hanukkah isn't only the tale of miraculous candles and Christmas envy, you know. It's about slaying unarmed Hellenistic interlopers and taking names (afterward). It is about populist Jewish rebellion, the unsheathing of theocratic swords and the struggle for freedom (Jewish freedom, anyway). Surely, this kind of material can't be entrusted to some hand-wringing, weak-kneed director who will slather his Jewish liberal sensibilities all over history. Have you seen Steven Spielberg's Munich? No, we need crazy on this.

    I have a feeling this might freak out the Liberal Jews more than anything else. Many of them still aren't comfortable with the idea of Jews having military power.

  32. Mr. Mark   14 years ago

    Just out of curiosity, since I read in several places that Passion of the Christ was supposedly anti-Semitic, what exactly is anti-Semitic about Passion of the Christ?

    I watched it. The eye-ball eating bird thing was disgusting. But other than that, what's the problem?

    As far as celebutards issuing idiotic statements - isn't that what they DO? Doctors fix broken people, bricklayers lay brick, and celebutards say stupid shit.

    For instance, take Mel's backpedaling on Apocalypto (which, by way of the pointless heart-yanking sacrifice thing, was a great analogy for the global warming hoax). The AGW-zombies started ranting about Apocalypto (apparently they detected the same analogy with the sacrifice thing that I did), and he starts flapping his gums about how Apocalypto was supposed to tell people how we are destroying the Earth, and how we must...blah, blah, blah...[insert pseudo-scientific looney-tunes doom-and-gloom here].

    Can't we wait and see the movie and then decide for ourselves whether it's any good?

    We can always call "do-over" and have Mel Brooks do an alternate version.

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  34. Barack Obama   14 years ago

    Let me be clear. The problem with semites is their refusal to go all the way; their lack of commitment; their wishy-washyizing on the floor of history. My history. The history of the place where I grew up and got older and got prizes from people.

    They should, of course, and as I've often pointed out, be not semites, but fulltes. Allthewaytes. Committedtes. Erectiontes. Or, to put it succinctly, schlongtes.

    We need this bill passed now.

  35. Fat Steve   14 years ago

    I am 100% fine with Mel Gibson making this movie. I wouldn't go see it if it was made by a Jew, Hindu or Buddhist, because I hate biographical historical epics, but as far as Mel Gibson's right to free expression, I am all for it.

    However I would like the freedom to express my feeling that Mel Gibson is a true Anti-Semite. Some of the laughable defenses here (some of his best friends are probably Jewish,) border on the ridculous.

    Surely, blaming the Jews for all the war in the world isn't just something that slips out accidentally? And the people who don't understand that blaming 'the Jews' for the death of Chris and has the line in the movie saying 'his blood on their hands' is a fundamentally Anti-Semitic belief. Blaming an entire ethnic group for the execution of a man who lived over 2000 years ago, and if you believe in his religion, he had to die on the cross to save man from his sins. So, yes to still apportion 'blame' to 'the Jews' for that, is unbelievably Anti-semitic.

    And let's not forget Gibson's father who is a bare faced Holocaust denier. Mel refuses to criticize his father for those statements merely saying 'my old man never told me a lie in my life.'

    Mel Gibson is an egomaniacal shithead like 99.99999% of Hollywood, so I wouldn't be praising him even if he loved Jews, but to deny that he is an anti-semite is to deny the facts.

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