Immigration

Funding Undocumented Dreams in California

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On Monday, the California State Assembly passed part of the Dream Act. AB 130 makes undocumented students eligible for private

 scholarships given away by the state (which totaled $45 million last year) to fund their education. Under California state law, these students already enroll and pay in-state tuition at California's public universities.

But victory for AB 130 isn't the whole dream. The accompanying AB 131, which would make undocumented students eligible for public education grants funded by the state, has not yet made it to the State Senate floor. Governor Jerry Brown (Calif.) has said he is "positively inclined" to support that bill as well, though it's a tougher sell for legislators concerned about the state budget crisis.

Opponents of AB 130 argue that the legislation would worsen California's financial crisis by attracting more illegal immigrants with greater access to an education already subsidized by taxpayers. But few illegal immigrants actually send their children to public schools (about 10 percent), most pay taxes of some sort, and nearly all would pay full taxes and even back-taxes, given the chance to stay here legally. With government subsidies inflating the cost of higher education, a little private, voluntary action may be just what the system needs.

Private donations should be distributed in whichever way the donor sees fit. In this case, generous donors have trusted the state public university system to distribute aid to qualified students. That they have been silent in this debate over who benefits from their generosity indicates that these individuals probably don't mind giving an education to a capable student who will likely stay in the U.S. and use it here.

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  1. What, pray tell, is an “undocumented student”?

    1. It’s sort of like an ‘undocumented boyfriend’.

    2. Dog ate his report card.

      1. JoJo Zeke|7.27.11 @ 12:40PM|#

        Fuck off, troll.

        He got Steve Smith’d so hard, yesterday. Be gentle. 😉
        SugarFree|7.27.11 @ 12:46PM|#

        You me’d that up, dude.
        Chupacabra|7.27.11 @ 1:41PM|#

        In the future, just stick with “Fuck off, troll.”

        It’s much more effective.

    3. A student who sneaks into the school and takes classroom seats that should belong to the natives of the school.

    4. A student who does assignments American students won’t do, for more tuition.

  2. Well First,they are here unlawfully, try to go to another country unlawfully, see what happens when they put you on the next plane out no questions asked. Second: Goverement overreach, private donors could and still can give thier money to whomever the hell they seem fit, its free market, no goverment BS needed.

    1. The vast amount of spelling and grammar mistakes in Spnge’s comment make me think that he/she is a non-native speaker of English, and probably illegal him/herself.

      1. What would a vast amounts of ad hominems make you think about a person?

        1. It’s more of a tu quoque than an ad hominem attack. Besides, in HM’s comment he doesn’t try to disparage any of spng’s ideas by association, so HM’s comment might just be classified as a straight up insult. If one considers being called an illegal immigrant an insult.

          People love to throw around the “AD HOM!!” charge around on the internet when most of the time they’re dealing with a simple insult.

          If Tulpa writes a long screed against gluten free meals at Burger King and I respond by calling him an asshole, I don’t think that would be considered an ad hominem attack, because just calling him an asshole transmits no information regarding my agreement with his statements. Now, if I said Tulpa is an asshole therefore cannot be correct about gluten free meals at Burger King that would be an ad hominem attack.

          I think?

          1. Since you’re being a literalist, notice that I never said he was launching an ad hominem.

            In any case, his dismissal of the original commenter’s argument was implied. You are correct in labeling it tu quoque but that’s really just a special case of ad hominem.

          2. It’s more of a tu quoque than an ad hominem attack. Besides, in HM’s comment he doesn’t try to disparage any of spng’s ideas by association, so HM’s comment might just be classified as a straight up insult.

            Indeed. But what would the Tulpster know about fallacies of reasoning and informal logic, being, you know, a mathematician?

            If one considers being called an illegal immigrant an insult.

            I don’t.

            An insult, in and of itself, can be classified as a non sequitur.

            Furthermore, I feel that to pick through someone’s posting on a internet blog to search for logical fallacies is pretentious. (Just as it’s obnoxious to point out errors in spelling or grammar, unless one is using sarcasm to make a point, as I attempted to do.) This is comment section of a blog, not an academic symposium.

            Jus’ sayin’

            1. Calm down, Tulpa’s boyfriend. I always fuck with the Tulpster, and he messes with me. I didn’t know that girlfrin’ was goin’ to get all, nuhuh o no u dint’ in my face.

              And quit ADHOMIN’ my motherfuckin’ shit.

              1. Yeah, keep your ho on a leash.

        2. a vast amounts[sic]

          Are you trying to be ironic?

          1. I don’t peddle in the artificial irony, only in the natural organic free-range kind.

            1. Heh. That made me laugh. 🙂

      2. Actually a dyslexic biologist. yes my spelling sucks, but i did have a 3.o at university, do we really need spelling cops now, is this a new goverment function, LOL

        1. …but i did have a 3.o at university…

          You say that with pride?

          1. I’m sure he meant “4.0”, but he suffers from dyscalculia as well.

            1. And by saying “at university” we can assume that Spnge is not American. Perhaps HM was on to something…

  3. That actually does make a lot of sense dude.

    http://www.web-privacy.au.tc

  4. If my kids get into UCLA or Berkley, I’m illegally immigrating to CA.

    1. perhaps u should since in-state tuition is less

      1. But it’s a lot harder to get in to either school if you’re in-state specifically because the tuition is higher for out of state students.

  5. most pay taxes of some sort, and nearly all would pay full taxes and even back-taxes, given the chance to stay here legally.

    I call bullshit on this. Of course they say they’ll pay taxes and back taxes to stay here. When they actually do, I’ll believe it.

    That’s not a knock on illegal immigrants. It’s a fact. Most people will agree to anything to get what they want, in this case some sort of legal recognition. When it comes time to follow through on their agreements, it’s a different story.

    How in the hell is someone gonna pay back taxes on a decade of wages with penalties and interest like an existing taxpayer would have to? Coming from someone who’s been under the thumb of the IRS, I can tell you it would be nearly impossible.

    1. Dude, it’s just another journo school intern. “Facts” that support their leftist positions are not eligible to be questioned.

      1. @Tupla–Since when would Reason hire a “lefist” intern?

        1. How quickly they forget.

        2. Is there any other type? They won’t hire Jennifer and I’m not even applying until they agree to fund my 401k, so they’re stuck with journo school types.

    2. I agree wrt the likelihood of this, but if somebody wanted to adopt it as policy, I’d be all for it. “Amnesty for all if you pay all back taxes + interest. $1K fine per year + $10K fine for entering the country illegally.”

      I’m hesitant about the fines because it gives stupid politicians more money to bribe voters with, but it seems kinda fair…

    3. All of that is irrelevant here, actually. This is a flat out additional wealth transfer along the idiotic fantasy of “everyone must go to college”, while the state is out of money. It’s just plain fucking stupid. The illegal immigrant aspect of it–and I am a total open borders person–doesn’t even matter. It’s pure, extra crispy fried moronic.

      1. Totally agree, Epi. I just hate to see shit like this used, then never followed through on. If they could pay their taxes and back taxes, then why aren’t they?

        Once they start doingnthe costly things the rest of us are forced to do, then i’ll start buying into what they are saying. Until then, I ain’t holding my breath that this is anything other than lip service.

        1. then why aren’t they

          Couldn’t have anything to do with the likelyhood of deportation, them being here illegally and all.

          No, no, I’m sure that it’s a GREAT idea for illegals to contact government representatives and espouse their illegality while trying to pay current and back taxes.

          Paging Brett & Jermaine.

          1. I stand corrected. I had forgotten Obama had ramped up deportations to previously unforeseen levels.

            Maybe they could send it in anonymously as a donation to the treasury? Or maybe they could randomly hand it out to current taxpayers as a thank you for subsidizing their existence here.

            1. unhelpful suggestions

              *sigh*

      2. Yeah, the state is broke, and yet they’re finding ways to spend more money on non-citizens. Brilliant!

        1. Oh, and does anyone else think it’s strange that the state treats students who are legal residents of (say) Mexico far more favorably than those who are legal residents of (say) Nevada?

    4. Undocumented workers pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffet!

      OT:

      Hot Dogs are Worse For You Than Cigarettes!

      Experts and studies agree, so that makes it a FACT.

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  6. First of all, fuck California for taking money from all taxpayers & selectively rewarding a few.

    Second of all, eh… fuck it. Good enough.

  7. How dare the University of California, bastion of all things progressive, use a religious reference on it’s Seal.

    Not only is it offensive to secularist atheists, it is a slap in the face to Hindus, Pantheists, Buddhists, Sikhs, FSM worshippers and devotees of Fonzie.

    It must come down and be replaced by something more aligned with our current mission. That said, I propose, “Whatever. I Do What I Want.”

    1. I think it’s referring to how much they want fucking light, what with all the shitty florescent bulbs people have in California fucking everything up, since I’m sure there’s probably one-hundred septillion bulb bans on top of each other on that state’s law books.

    2. “Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law” is also a religious sentiment.

      1. Fuck off, troll.

        He got Steve Smith’d so hard, yesterday. Be gentle. 😉
        SugarFree|7.27.11 @ 12:46PM|#

        You me’d that up, dude.
        Chupacabra|7.27.11 @ 1:41PM|#

        In the future, just stick with “Fuck off, troll.”

        It’s much more effective.

  8. I’m confused why people are making private donations to a public university.

    1. Not sure about Cali, but we only get about 9-15% of our operating budget from the state. (It fluctuates between departments.) We scrounge for private money constantly.

      1. Ah, ok. Is my lack of higher education showing?

        1. Not really, the ways of academia are deliberately obtuse to the outsider.

          1. What state are you in again, SF?

            1. Kentucky! Yee-haw!

              1. As part of my consideration for relocation, I have to ask, how are the tractor pulls?

                1. Spectacular. And meth is cheap and plentiful.

                  1. I prefer my tractor pulls on shrooms, tyvm.

              2. KY Fried.

      2. Forrealz. My public uni’s alumni association is constantly begging for donations from me.

      3. JoJo Zeke|7.27.11 @ 12:40PM|#

        Fuck off, troll.

        He got Steve Smith’d so hard, yesterday. Be gentle. 😉
        SugarFree|7.27.11 @ 12:46PM|#

        You me’d that up, dude.
        Chupacabra|7.27.11 @ 1:41PM|#

        In the future, just stick with “Fuck off, troll.”

        It’s much more effective.

      4. Fuck off, troll.

        He got Steve Smith’d so hard, yesterday. Be gentle. 😉
        SugarFree|7.27.11 @ 12:46PM|#

        You me’d that up, dude.
        Chupacabra|7.27.11 @ 1:41PM|#

        In the future, just stick with “Fuck off, troll.”

        It’s much more effective.

  9. few illegal immigrants actually send their children to public schools (about 10 percent)

    Even we illegals recognize that private education and home schooling are better than America’s public schools.

    1. Having life-experience with economics will do that to you.

  10. It’s just plain fucking stupid. The illegal immigrant aspect of it–and I am a total open borders person–doesn’t even matter. It’s pure, extra crispy fried moronic.
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  12. So when California finally goes bottoms up broke, I guess the rest of the country will be more than happy to bail them out.

    1. If by “bail them out” you mean “throw them out”, then sure.

      1. if by “throw them out” you mean “blast the fault lines and watch it become a kelp forest”, then sure.

          1. Then we’re in agreement.

            California should totally be on board too, think of what it would do for the sea lions.

    2. For California to be “bottoms up broke,” the government here will have to dramatically improve it’s fiscal situation. Shit, they’re floating offers for bridge loans to make payroll for the rest of the year.

  13. Meh. At a minimum, they should have to pay out of state tuition.

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