Nanny State Propaganda
How long before the government places graphic warning labels on junk food?
Don't get too used to those graphic new cigarette warnings Washington regulators unveiled last week. They're going to disappear one way or the other.
The courts might throw them out on First Amendment grounds. That seems unlikely. But if the judicial branch doesn't get rid of them, the executive branch will. Not because it decided they were too repulsive. No, federal authorities plan to update the warning labels to keep the shock value fresh.
"We'll begin . . . studies to make sure that we are keeping people sensitized," says Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sibelius. "What may seem quite shocking at the beginning, people get used to quite quickly." So if people build up a tolerance for the repulsive, the FDA will amp the dial up to grotesque.
Although the placement of graphic warning labels on commercial products is novel in the U.S., government's use of the gross-out is nothing new. Wartime propaganda posters of an earlier age routinely depicted the enemy as monstrous beasts to be slain or subhuman bugs to be exterminated.
Of course, no one backing the new warning labels would call them propaganda. Rather, the FDA's Lawrence Deyton says, "We are trying to communicate accurate, truthful information about the health impact of smoking, to allow consumers to be informed."
That is a lie. The old warnings—informing buyers that cigarettes cause cancer, and so forth—conveyed information. The new labels are designed to provoke a reaction in that lizard part of your brain thoughts never reach. A warning on a ladder that reads, "Caution: Improper use could lead to serious injury from falling" conveys information. A graphic photo of a compound tibia fracture conveys only sentiment.
It's the kind of cheap trick you could play with just about anything. Take exercise. Sporting-equipment companies glamorize it just as cigarette companies glamorize smoking, with beautiful idols looking too cool for school as they engage in the activity. But you could de-glamorize exercise in a hurry by forcing people to view pictures of dislocated shoulders, torn ligaments, and genitals covered in raging cases of jock itch.
Since the gross-out is cross-functional, it's reasonable to ask when the federal government will start showing us disgusting pictures on packages of food, in which Washington also takes a keen interest. Indeed, someone asked Sibelius that very question during a press conference about the cigarette labels. Her response was evasive. Food labels are voluntary, she said. And tobacco is unique because smoking is "the No. 1 cause of preventable death."
It won't be No. 1 forever. Obesity is gaining ground fast. Sibelius says smoking imposes "$200 billion a year in health costs." According to the Centers for Disease Control, obesity costs the U.S. about $150 billion. Ergo, Sibelius says the government has an interest in food because "it has a lot to do with underlying health costs and [the] overall health of our nation. . . . The work around obesity and healthier, more nutritious eating" will be "an ongoing focus."
Do tell. Already the federal government has organized an Interagency Working Group on Food Marketed to Children in "an effort to combat childhood obesity – the most serious health crisis facing today's youth."
The working group—comprising the FTC, the CDC, the FDA, and the Agriculture Department—already has proposed that food companies either (a) change their child-centered products to make them healthier or (b) lose the right to advertise them. The proposal is ostensibly voluntary. But then so is paying the Mafia protection money not to burn down your store.
In brief, the arc of food regulation seems to be following the arc of tobacco regulation: "voluntary" measures imposed "for the sake of the children" at first—followed by less voluntary, more comprehensive regulation undertaken for the sake of the common good, defined in both public-health terms and public-finance terms. What's more, the same assumption holds in both cases: The government should direct personal behavior that has any effect on other people. Since any behavior can be said to affect somebody else in some way, this is a recipe for a government of infinite scope.
Two days after Washington unveiled its new warning labels for cigarette packages, the New England Journal of Medicine published a study reporting that our food choices influence our weight more than exercise does. And potato chips pack on the pounds faster than any other food, including candy and desserts.
The logic of Washington's new cigarette warning labels holds that government should frighten people away from consumer goods that impose social costs. If we apply that consistently, then there is no reason federal regulators should not adorn bags of potato chips with garish photos of morbidly obese corpses, cutaways of clogged ateries, or glistening mounds of fatty tissue hacked out of cadavers.
If that doesn't slim America down enough, then perhaps Washington also will make everybody exercise for an hour a day. The idea sounds laughably implausible now. So what? As Secretary Sibelius says: "What may seem quite shocking at the beginning, people get used to quite quickly."
A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch. This article originally appeared at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
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"We'll begin . . . studies to make sure that we are keeping people sensitized," says Health and Human Services Secretary Josef Mengele.
I keep reading that ". . . we are keeping people STERILIZED."
That is my plan.
So I wasn't the only one.
Gee, Barton, I see you get your ideas from weeks old H&R posts.
Harrington & Richardson?
That's so lame, even for a commie troll. Engaging the over-reaching nanny state is an ongoing libertarian issue.
"If we apply that consistently, then there is no reason federal regulators should not adorn bags of potato chips with garish photos of morbidly obese corpses, cutaways of clogged ateries, or glistening mounds of fatty tissue hacked out of cadavers."
I ain't no commie, Jack. The part quoted above is what I was responding to. And this:
"A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch. This article originally appeared at the Richmond Times-Dispatch."
Guy reads H&R and then uses it to write for the RT-D.
Who cares when it was written? It's still dangerous shit that needs to be countered.
Hope and change were NOT mentioned on Cheers!, I swear!
Not only that, but not doing his homework. You'd've thought he'd at least mention what Jacob Sullum blogged here on a year or so ago: That New York City's gov't had already used ads showing soda (of all things) turning into fat.
Still a good idea to remind the public of the dangers of the Food Police.
The night is young, Mr. Hinkle.
Graphic warnings for everything?
It would be nice if there was some way to produce a Dorian Gray type painting of every politician that would reflect his true character.
For example
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You see, you've hit the nail on the head. It is consistency that's the issue.
If a cartoon camel can be so effective at selling cigarettes that it must be stopped, then a grotesque can be an effective sales device too.
A picture of Obama smoking might be effective at getting some people to quit, though.
The nausea I feel seeing Obama's image, knowing he's our President, certainly helps keeps the pounds off.
A picture of O-bomb-a smoking while bombing a little village in Pakistan.
I don't have a problem at all with the "nudge" theory. As long as it's just encouraging, and not telling.
So putting stupid pics on a cigarrete = ok
outlawing cigarretes != ok
Same with things like resterauant menu labeling ok
banning salt or trans fat, not ok
Would nudging someone into installing and using a spell checker work for you?
After all, a computer automates acts like spell checking.
Right: restaurant
Wrong: "resterauant"
@ Al
So we stupe to makeing fun of my dyslxia, real cool.
Can I get a law passed to have restaurants show how many grams of parsley are used in their side dishes?
Kroneborge, if the cigarette manufacturer opposes the pictures, should the government force them to put them on the box anyway?
What do you mean, "if"? What kind of idiot would voluntarily spend money to put grotesque pictures on their products designed to induce people not to buy their product?
The makers of Death brand cigarets.
Yes, because otherwise they'll put exactly the opposite kind of advertising on the package. A cool cowboy riding a stallion.
One's right, One's a lie.
DERIDED
ADVERPWND!
Your arguments are, as always, demonstrative of the intellectual heft of libertarianism.
argumentum ad PWND!
That's a big Twinkie.
"How's the grid holding up?"
"Not good. Tell 'em about the twinkie."
"What about the twinkie?"
I like Butler Shaffer's suggestion on Lew Rockwell's blog that military recruitment ads & posters should have "warning labels" with pics of dead and mutilated soldiers on them. Right on!
What about having mandatory warning labels on all election posters of politicians.
No no, you're not getting it...
See, the warnings on cigarette packs is because smoking is bad for your HEALTH, see...and fighting wars for uncle Sam is like...uh...
Oh fuck it.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
H.L. Mencken.
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They don't need graphic pictures. America is full of obese people already. They just need a label that says "Look at the people to your left and right. Do you want to look like them?"
Wouldn't it be easier to just use reflective packaging, or put a tiny little mirror on it?
Has any body seen the T-shirt kids wear today? They will just love the new packages. I had one kid tell me they looked cool...
.... I wonder, could the REAL agenda behind these pictures be to a) Piss off adult smokers, b) encourage kids to take up the habit and c) keep the appearance that they're doing something to keep the antismoking money flowing to politicians?
Warning label on women, that no matter how hot she is there is a man out there that is glad to be finished with her.
This.
Insert boilerplate Tenth Amendment question about the Constitutional basis of this.
Insert automated remarks about how this issue affects interstate commerce since someone seeing graphic pictures of lung cancer might start thinking about buying health insurance.
Like Obamacare would give anyone a CHOICE in insurance-purchasing decisions...
I can't wait for the day when all product packaging looks like Brujeria album covers.
I hate to see the picture they put on toilet paper warning about irritants from coloring.
Sibelius says smoking imposes "$200 billion a year in health costs." According to the Centers for Disease Control, obesity costs the U.S. about $150 billion.
One more time.
Bulls**t!
The earlier people die, the less their health care costs. Economically the government should be mandating cigs and chips.
If you don't buy cigarettes, it affects the tobacco industry... this shit practically mandates itself!
Besides, Al Gore tells us there are too many resource gobbling souls on earth anyway. Then again, the fat fuck is a fat fuck due to tobacco profits.
It will not be long before junk food warnings are common place and then the war on making them completely illegal will begin. I am convinced after watching the Obama press conference today and reading the linked article that Obama and most citizens are simply confused as to the proper role of gov't
http://tinyurl.com/3gjdhwt
Yeah, and they have no clue that the Constitution's revolutionary concept was that it proscribed govt. within strict and narrow limits.
Just put up a more recent photo of Harold Ramis, or Bill Murray with every package of junk food (du jour).
thank you
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One thing we know for sure, is kids will not start smoking. As we all know, teenagers hate doing anything that upsets elders or has any "icky" or dangerous image associated with it.
"Don't be such a chicken, Kif. Teenagers smoke, and they seem pretty on-the-ball. "
Had a heart attack. After an angioplasty and a stent, doctor said had to quit smoking or else I'd die. That was 8 years ago. After 52 years of smoking, and if each cigarette shortens your life, why am I looking at being 60 this year. Asked the doctor, So if I quit, then I won't die? Found out that he had no sense of humor.
52 years of smoking 8 years ago and you're 60 now?
Wow, you were born, the doctor slapped you and you screamed for a light!
""Caution: Improper use could lead to serious injury from falling" conveys information. A graphic photo of a compound tibia fracture conveys only sentiment."
Bullshit. There's a significant proportion of people for whom a picture will convey an idea more accurately than a string of words.
Try this picture. You sucking a government dick.
I'd prefer a picture of you guys all gangbanging Ayn Rand while she fantasizes about you murdering a 12 year old.
Who the fuck is this "Sibelius" person? Do you mean Kathleen Sebelius?
Christ, get an editor.
You mean she wasn't the Finnish composer of the later Romantic period whose music played an important role in the formation of the Finnish national identity?
What kind of graphic warning would e-cig manufacturers use?
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Welcome to 1984 Live!
When you voted for change!
I bet ya wasnt thinking were you!
You loose that bet. This is *exactly* the sort of thing they all wanted: someone to tell them what to think, what to do, what to eat, what to drink. Sort of like "der Fuhrer".
zieg heil!...........better look at the polls Obummers a dead duck against ANY REPUBLICAN! Theres a lot of somebodys out there that voted for ''THEONE'' who aint gonna do it again!
The federales, and Derider, can drop dead. Government has no authority whatsoever to dictate to manufacturers what they place on their packaging.
Curious fact: There's a federal agency called the 'Administration of Aging'. What the flying fuck is that?
Government has all the authority it needs to dictate to manufacturers what they place on their packaging.
Even dumbass libertarians believe that fraud is wrong. Placing fraudulent advertising on your product is fraud.
Try again tardnuts.
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I quit smoking 8 yrs ago, but I am for choice: if bars, restaurants want smoking,let them. Nonsmokers can go to other bars, restaurants I'm sure will cater to them. If someone wants to smoke a legal product, let them have that choice without harrassment. If I still smoked I would get some pretty wrapping paper and just cover up the graphic labels; American ingenuity. Sick of this nanny state.
I tried to explain this concept to a friend of mine. Neither of us smoke, and we both hate smoke. But, apparently, freedom is too much for him and others.
OT: If Illinois decided to secede "for the purpose of establishing a true people's democratic socialist society", would anybody give a shit, or would everybody just cheer and scream "about fucking time"?
"smoking is "the No. 1 cause of preventable death."" No life is the #1 cause of death because so far only Jesus has made it out alive.
Say they start putting pictures of obese people on food. Would that be encouraging someone who has a fatty fetish?
This idea is stupid like all gov't ideas are stupid. But:
a) When you eat junk food, other people in the room with you don't get heart disease or diabetes.
b) I always prefer the government to recommend things rather than mandate or prohibit things. Imagine if every law and regulation was instead a guideline.
Imagine if the government stopped minding our fucking business. I cant think of a single situation where my response to their suggestions/recommendations/guidelines isnt 'I will be the judge of that'
Metro buses in Seattle have recently had ads on the sides that consist of-- really-- a picture of a cute little pigtailed girl, and a caption that goes somwthing like "Mommy, why don't I get to play in a SMOKE-FREE PARK?"
The demonification of smokers continues. We don't want to allow it, support it, even see it. For the children, don't you know.
Wasn't able to read the fine print at the bottom of the ad to see what state agency had the money to pay for these ads.
Australia has had these things for years. Government simply does not recognize the utter and complete futility of trying to shock the internet generation with grotesque imagery.
I think there are much better places to spend these advertizing money. Think of all the homeless and hungry.
Chris
http://www.dieting-and-diets.org/
Government has all the authority it needs to dictate to manufacturers what they place on their packaging.
Even dumbass libertarians believe that fraud is wrong. Placing fraudulent advertising on your product is fraud.
Try again tardnuts.
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