The Comics Crash of 1993, Or Why Your House in Florida Won't Regain Its Value
The Weekly Standard's resident geek Jonathan V. Last on the parallels between the bursting of the comics bubble in 1993 and today's housing market:
By the time the bubble's soapy residue washed away, nine out of ten comic book shops in America had closed their doors. Publisher sales of new comics dropped by 70 percent. On December 27, 1996, Marvel, the General Motors of comics, filed for bankruptcy. The market for used comics was flooded with the cadaverous inventories of out-of-business stores. The prices of high-value comics dipped or plateaued. Many lower-value comics (books under $100) saw significant declines. Comics printed during the run-up to the bubble became virtually worthless, as the speculator-driven sales combined with the unsold issues to create a massive oversupply.
Sound familiar?
Lots of houses are the functional equivalent of blue-chip comic books. Like a copy of Action Comics#1, a co-op in Manhattan, a townhouse in Georgetown, or a bungalow in Santa Monica will eventually regain its previous value and will prove to be an excellent investment in the long run….But during the run-up to the housing crash, a crush of construction appeared in places like the Carolina coasts, the southwestern desert, and pockets of Florida.
While Last laments the lost value of his comics collection—his teenage dream was to sell the books and buy a car—Reason's own Tim Cavanaugh has been telling the same sad story about his house.
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Weird that he chooses "a co-op in Manhattan, a townhouse in Georgetown" as examples of real estate that lost its value in the housing crash, considering that Georgetown and Manhattan are probably the two areas in America least affected by the bubble/crash ? the bungalow in Santa Monica probably didn't do so well, but dense urban real estate has been roaring back to life with a vengeance recently as the suburbs/exurbs languish.
I believe that was his point. The sentence is a bit garbled, though.
Where's the OSSHRJ?
The sentence isn't that garbled, its just more esoteric and requires some knowledge of comic books.
Action Comics #1 is like the functional equivalent of a signed Babe Ruth rookie card, that thing is the gold standard and won't suffer major deviations and, if it does, will recover. Its supply is by definition extremely limited and its market, though may ebb and flow, will always be. The other comics, the ones that saw a frenzy for awhile, but aren't as ensconced in the subculture's fascination, would never recover to what they were being artificially valued at. That market collapsed, and a lot of people who speculated on it as a profit making enterprise without being genuine comic fanboys got burned and left that market to whither. This is the southwest, Inland Empire and Central Valley in California, and Florida. Much of the run up in prices was speculators looking to flip. With a metric fuckton of them getting burnt, they will not reenter. Beyond that, areas like Vegas and Arizona are awash in developable land so the restrictions on supply don't exist that create price inflation when demand spikes in urban areas without developable land.
I don't know shit about comics but even I understand that Action Comics #1 is extremely rare. I wouldn't consider it any more esoteric than a Babe Ruth rookie card.
I guess esoteric was the wrong word. I, too, know jack shit about comics and recognized that. I guess "requires a reasonable level of context clues and inference" would have been a better explaination.
STEVE SMITH CAVE RETAIN VALUE AFTER STEVE RAPE MORTGAGE BANKER! REINFORCE STEVE BELIEF THAT RAPE SOLUTION TO EVERYTHING!
STEVE SMITH LIKE HOW ACTION COMIC #1 SHOW SUPERMAN THREATENING CIVILIAN WITH BEING CRUSHED BY CAR IF CIVILIAN NOT GIVE SUPERMAN HEAD. STEVE SMITH LEARN ALL HE KNOW ABOUT RAPE FROM SUPERMAN IN ACTION COMIC #1.
WHEN STEVE SMITH A YOUNG SASQUATCH, STEVE SMITH FAVORITE SUPER HERO WAS RAPE MAN, WHICH IS WHAT STEVE SMITH THOUGHT MIRACLEMAN WAS CALLED!
The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
Exactly why we sold a place during the artificial price bump of late 2009. Yeah, said place will probably go back up someday, as it's in a location with some genuine supply constraints. However, given that it was costing us money every month to keep it, the above adage definitely applied.
Artificial price bump, pumped by tax credits, BTW.
KMW: alt-text win!
Second - I would call it "Cavanaugh-esque" in its awesomeness.
The irony - it burns.
Well done, Mangu-Ward!
I am so lucky. My town just did a "tax reappaisal" and in the last 8 years it increased in value almost 300%. So much for the great recession.
No I don't live in Beverly Hills or any other place you've heard of.
The tax reappraisal says you get to pay more taxes? Lucky you.
I know right? I live in the only 20,000 pop town in the USA where real estate never collapsed. At least that's what the government says...
Can't you challenge the appraisal?
perhaps central CT?
I have to give my Michigan Township? government 'tards their due - our appraisals have gone down pretty consistently with the value (I use that term loosely) of our home.
That doesn't make me feel any better, but at least they're being pretty honest about it, which is something unusual from the gummint.
Q How does one amass a small fortune?
A Amass a large fortune, and then get into auto racing have bought a house in Michigan pre-2009.
How does one amass a large fortune?
Sell Michigan housing short.
"Wow, what's that?"
"That is the first edition of Radioactive Man."
"I'll give you 50 bucks for it."
"Are you the creator of Hi and Lois? Because you are making me laugh."
"That is a very rare Mary Worth, in which she counsels a friend to commit suicide."
"Oh, Andy Capp, you lovable, wife-beating drunk."
+.08
You gotta finish the scene...
"That drawing is worth exactly $750 dollars American."
"It's valuable, huh?"
"Ooh, your powers of deduction are exceptional. I can't allow you to waste them here when there are so many crimes going unsolved at this very moment. Go! Go! For the good of the city!"
Anybody interested in a mint copy on "Man-Thing" #1 ?
That joke should be on the Wiener thread, dude.
I got there too late to "put it in".
Is it a Giant Size Man-Thing?
Whatever knows fear burns at the Man-Thing's touch!
Which brings us back to Wiener...
Anyone seen GL yet? As bad as feared?
AV Club gives it a D+, Metacritic score is 42.
I already blew $15 on Thor. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I haven't, but yes.
I wonder if it is possible to make a good film of GL, I love GL but his powers are a bit strange, hard to depict without it coming off a bit goofy.
Especially when you cast a lead who is a bit goofy himself. Double down on the goofy. Brilliant!
I haven;t seen it but I imagine that it has to be heavily CGI and too much CGI just as bad as seeing the wires holding up the stuntman.
+1
It strikes me that was an awful, awful casting choice.
I don't think the special effects are the problem (though the CGI in the movie is just silly).
The problem is that there are no GL stories that are easily boiled down to a 2 1/2 hour movie plot. Same problem with Thor.
It's all about how you approach it. If you think the source material is a joke, you make a shitty movie. If you take the premise seriously, like Nolan, you can make great films. Singer, despite his obsessive need to code everything with homosexual undertones, took the concepts seriously and made a few good films.
(Superman Returns sucked for a lot of reasons, but not because Singer approached it like he was making a brain-dead Bay-Spolsions! movie.)
I think a good GL movie could have been made, but the goofy factor is going to creep in hard. The real drawback to GL is the lack of a villain that has any sort of "name recognition" to non-readers. The same thing that will complicate any Flash movie.
Oh yeah? Fuck you, library boy!
Like Cap'n Boomerang is not a household name!
Also that Flash's greatest villain is named Professor Zoom-The Reverse Flash.
Has Dr. Doom ever made a movie appearance?
I think Chris McQuarrie could make a pretty solid Daredevil movie.
I'm not a fan of "crossing the streams". Once that actor was Deadpool, that's it: you can't be a Marvel and DC character. It's like batting for both teams...with my emotions.
^^was supposed to be a response to the casting comment up above. I heart threaded comments.
Seeing it at midnight tonight. I gotta be able to do the oath in the theatre when it won't look silly.
But, yeah, GL is a super hero who never realized his potential- THE RING CAN MAKE ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE! And so, to represent this, they hand it to some of the most unimaginative artists in the DC universe.
Rule 34 in the GL movie or it sucks
Our Government envies the DC editorial staff's ability to reboot the entire universe...
The comics crash is the reason behind the abundance of these god-awful superheroes movies.
Exclude the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy from that list or else. In all seriousness, he has made those films remarkably well so far. The rest are vile at best.
Are these the same people that rail at my "elitism?" They may not be Oscar winners but many comic films have been quite enjoyable.
For every Iron Man there are two Howard the Ducks...
There are two Howard the Ducks? yuck.
I bought at house at the end of 2008, when I thought prices had hit rock bottom. Boy, how wrong I was.
At least my property taxes went down . . .
(A house in Florida, that is.)
Yeah, I got transferred back to MI from OH in early 2007.
"MAN! What great housing deals! Surely we're getting in close to the bottom of the market!": Us
"MAN! What great housing deals! Surely we're getting in close to the bottom of the market!": Our New Next Door Neighbers (very nice people - who spent $70K less than we did for an equivalent house last summer)
"Shit.": Us
Hence why, when my employer transferred me BACK to Ohio in 2009, I kept my home in MI, family stayed there, and rented down here. Till I get transferred back to MI again next spring...ahhh, the management life at an Evul Corporation 🙂
Wanna trade? I bought in early 2006, right BEFORE the bubble burst.
Of course, if I had waited two years longer to go to law school, I would've bought in a depressed market . . . but I also wouldn't have gotten a job.
"The Comics Crash of 1993"
Was it caused by the Fed and Obama too?
Actually, it was President Bush who made it a policy plank to encourage kids to buy those stupid "Death of Superman" comics with the four different Supermen.
Or was it death of Robin? Or the Joker's Colonoscopy? Or Aquaman coming out? Or Wonder Woman getting pants?
So many stunts...
I'd prefer the Riddler's colonoscopy, since I bet his colon is lined with question marks.
Riddle me this, Caped Crusader: What's fiber-optic, well lubricated, and goes deep up your ass?
I think it was the easy availability of comic pricing guides when Wizard start putting them in every issue. It kept the idea of comics as a collectible right in everyone's face more than having to schlep to the store to flip through the outdated book.
The publishers, especially Image, drove the bubble as well. Gen13 #1 came with 13 covers with various restricted print runs. What do you need 13 copies of the same book for?
Meh, Gen13. I liked that comic better when it was called X-men, or X-Factor, or New Mutants, or X-Force, or Astonishing X-men, etc., etc., etc.
You are bringing back the memories. I had all of the Image #1's, including Spawn and Savage Dragon, and I also had a highly sought pink version of Harbinger #0 from the vastly underrated Valiant Comics.
That's exactly what happened with baseball cards. I remember Beckett had the Ken Griffey Jr. rookie card increasing significantly every month, but everybody I knew had one. Even as a 10-year-old, I had enough of an understanding of economics to realize something was wrong.
Even as a 10-year-old, I had enough of an understanding of economics to realize something was wrong.
I haven't read a copy of Beckett in years, but I remember as a teenager going through my uncle's old collection and finding the Beckett football holy grail, the Joe Namath rookie card. I tried to convince him to sell the damn thing to a card shop, but he didn't bite.
I liked Superboy, tactile telekinesis is neat.
Superheroes - not my thing.
I lost my money the old-fashioned way - on my house.
Pfft, Spidey whipped his ass but good in the Marvel v. DC crossover.
I blame the spiderman clone saga. Those idiotic writers ruined everything.
No, neither, and notice how the effects left most everybody unperturbed including many who didn't know there was even a comic book bubble and subsequent crash until years afterwards.
Notice the lack of government bailouts, and the effects not being so bad.
Your straw man of the Austrian business cycle theory is both laughably off-base and exposes how intellectually shallow you are. If you knew anything about economics you'd know the effect of interest rates on the structure of production and you'd know the effects of credit expansion on that structure, but I'm wasting my breath arguing with you. Moreover, you'd also know why that theory doesn't apply to what happened to comics in the '90s. But you can continue to play the role of expert by using poorly-formulated "Washington Post" articles and Wikipedia.
You have abused Krugmanite arguing so much when discussing economics on this board that it could file for rape.
That's a pretty bad analogy. Unlike houses, comic books have almost zero intrinsic value. When the bubble bursts there is no guarantee of a comeback.
We're not building many new houses, but the population continues to grow. House prices will rise again. Though not as quickly as many had hoped.
The availability of $1 houses in Detroit and Cleveland proves that many "homes" also have no intrinsic value.
Naw - just the cities they're located in.
Seriously, you're talking about a tiny minority. And it's not like that was caused primarily by the real estate bubble bursting.
The homes and land have no value. The value of the structure is worth less than the cost to relocate it somewhere with valuable land, and the land itself is undesirable due to the reigning government in those cities.
Nothing has intrinsic value. You missed the boat on objective theories of value by about two centuries.
What does Reason # 1 go for on the market?
$3.50
Now you know what I needed it for.
Drunken, slutty cheerleader type
Will Americans please stop saying "run-up"? Next thing you know we'll be saying "A to Zed" and "Cheerio."
What's happening to American English just a dog's breakfast, Tymothee.
There you go being a smarmy prig again.
Tim, what country are you talking about?
Thanks.
I don't care as long as the gruesome "tickety-boo" doesn't enter the national vocabulary.
All hope will be lost when Americans start adding a "g" to whine.
We look to Los Angeles for the language we use. London is dead.
Quit whinging, Cavanaugh.
Hey Tim, my dad had that issue. My grandma sold it at a yardsale when he left for the military.
I wish my impossible-to-transfer job wasn't in the middle of Governmentland, so I could get in on some of that deflationary housing goodness. Around here in the DC area, it might as well still be 2006, unless you want to live way out in the boonies like Manassas or Woodbridge, VA, where they overbuilt.
When I was a tyke, my older brother and I collected comics during the 70s/early 80s. I used to page through the Comic Price guide, adding up the "value" of our collection.
The first time my brother tried to sell a few at the local comic book store, he was *shocked* to be offered 10 cents on the dollar of their "worth".
A little lesson for the young.
Beer cans. My son was into this in the late 80s. Still has a butt load of cans in my basement. He's convinced that 1935 Horlacher cone top
is gonna be worth a whole lot again when a new generation of collectors gets the bug.
Isn't the premise of this article fundamentally at odds with the numerous Weekly Standard stories for the past couple years asserting that we are mere seconds away from skyrocketing inflation? If inflation is running in the double digits, your house may not recover its real value, but you definitely won't be upside down on your mortgage anymore either.
I remember the same thing happening with the professional sports card craze of the early 90s.
On the off-chance that anyone wants to read a longer, more authoritative history of the 1990s economic mishaps of the comics-shop Direct Market, I did just that in the pages of The Comics Journal, some five years ago. Read it here:
http://classic.tcj.com/history.....art-three/